What is the legal status of stuff abandoned in the Ukraine war? Obviously the government wants the armor but are we gonna see people braving minefields to sell shit from abandoned trenches on eBay post war? Is it technically looting?
What is the legal status of stuff abandoned in the Ukraine war?
Not sure if it has changed, but the Ukrainian government pretty much told people its fair game if they captured Russian equipment.
Pretty sure you can't keep tanks or anything like that anymore because the government needs them
Post-war they probably won't give a shit if you drive a BMP shitbox you found around
True, but the equipment is still tax free. So you don't really need to drain your wallet if you want to keep certain equipment. Many Ukrainians are selling Russian uniforms on ebay already at inflated prices.
The tax isn't really the problem it's more the absurd amount of gas you'd need to run one even comparatively to a tractor
>go to gas station
>pay for fuel
>fill up tank
>turn turret at gas station
>i would like a refund please
are there actually any published stats on fuel efficiency for soviet vehicles? surely there must be a couple that aren't moronicly expensive to run and can be used to plow a field or something.
>svds
God I am jelly
she'll go 300 hectares on a single tank of kerosene
The tax is a problem because its a barrier between you owning something and not owning something. Gas is just an issue of utilization than ownership, but i see your point.
>Post-war they probably won't give a shit if you drive a BMP shitbox you found around
You might have trouble getting it registered for on-road use, maybe there are also regulations about what roads it can go on since it's probably pretty bad for highway surfacing.
Pretty sure this isn't true because they seized a SAM system some farmer had hidden on his land
I think that's more because they need SAMs and also they don't want some moron playing around with it and causing MH17 2.0
>they seized a SAM system some farmer had hidden on his land
I'm in favor of this policy.
> t. I'm a freedom-loving burger that bleeds Red, White, and Blue
But, seriously, there's a line somewhere and a SAM system is on the wrong side of it. A 25mm semi-auto sniper rifle that digests anything that a Bradley can sling is on the other side. Reasonable people can argue where the line falls between those examples.
The problem with small arms is that people who keep them become the targets of organized crime.
The problem with vehicles is that you can't do much of anything with them.
In the end, gear makes up most of the trophy market for pretty good reason.
I own a closet full of small arms. Nobody's ever bothered me in several decades. Probably because I'm not a moronic homosexual who walks around in public waving his dick in everyone's face.
There are a frickton different types of vehicles. Making a blanket statement like that just makes you look moronic. Obviously some are impractical for civilian ownership and maintenance. Dozens of others can be repurposed, especially in a country that's almost all agriculture from one side to the other.
If I was living in Ukraine right now, I'd be harvesting scrap left & right and storing it on a large property. Build a workshop on it to cut & weld and mix & match all sorts of pieces, including a workshop for refurbishing engines & similar shit. Start selling off repurposed equipment for construction and agriculture ... after building a couple of very robust demining machines. Never have a day for the rest of my life without highly profitable work. Also included, a foundry to melt down anything not otherwise useful to sell off as ingots of scrap metal. Somewhere in there is also a tungsten mining opportunity.
>stories about your collection
You aren't a civilian in ukraine. Why would any of that be relevant? You might as well be talking about a stamp collection in argentina.
>>they seized a SAM system some farmer had hidden on his land
>I'm in favor of this policy.
SHALL
this twitter nerd has never heard of a technical before?
Vehicles and useful things like ATGMs or well-kept rifles are going to get repurposed for Ukie soldiers. Only certain things can be auctioned off.
There's probably going to be a massive amount of random AK style rifles found in forests for years to come along with corpses. I wonder how usable they'll be tbh
Few will be lost and left sitting around, those that can be used now will be and those that are lost for now will be found after the war.
Their are plenty of /k/unts in the world and they'll all be out and about looking for goodies after the war.
>Their are plenty of /k/unts in the world and they'll all be out and about looking for goodies after the war.
If ukraine actually wins I'm willing to work there as an engineer for a bit for the chance to wander in the woods aimlessly in the hopes of finding cool military equipment to smuggle back to the US(only to end up stepping on a leftover mine.)
It started out as "finder keepers" to encourage the gypsies to steal SAMs but about 6 months in they started offering cash for armour and a year in they made it so you legally have to give everything to the police so they can pass it to the military.
There was the story of the farmer crying that a Ukie unit took the tank he pulled from the mud, I think people like this need some perspective.
Sure it would be cool to have a tank and start a tank rides business after the war but the military needs all the armour they can get and if they lose you end up in a country that claims male rape is normal and good.
>I think people like this need some perspective
pay them $5-10k or maybe more for every piece of large equipment they manage to get to safety.
tho i'm pretty sure this isn't as much of a thing now that the frontlines are almost completely static and the first few months of randomly abandoned shit everywhere is over.
Even if the lines are static the whole front is so big and so full of no-mans-land that for a few years people will probably be stepping over all kinds of goodies. I want to see if the Soledar mines are still full of the WW2 stuff wagner found
Supposedly these things sell like hot cakes in Russia. Everything from guns, explosives, gear to vehicles.
If they're Russian trenches all they're going to find are mountains of trash.
Please stop projecting, it's getting embarassing
>are we gonna see people braving minefields to sell shit from abandoned trenches on eBay post war?
I think the next generation of gypsy beggars are going to have very realistic leg injuries.
The career path from "child least likely to set a land mine off" to "sit on in a wheelchair in traffic and beg" is going to be well trodden, or well rolled or something.
>is going to be well trodden, or well rolled or something.
so how do you buy that stuff without being scammed by a chink that might sell you old soviet milsurp claiming it to be fresh from the front?
You can buy some of it from me lol. It's much easier to keep in country than to ship abroad though. Need some tips on that. (e.g. https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/61193977)
>fresh from the front
I'd be wary of anything with random bullet holes in it. People have been known to do that after the fact.
>are we gonna see people braving minefields to sell shit from abandoned trenches on eBay post war?
Already are.
there was already a robust trade going on in the NLAW ACOGs for example and those are high grade military optics. Basically all the shit lying in the fields get hoovered up by the locals or soldiers the second its safe to walk around
>What is the legal status of stuff abandoned in the Ukraine war?
The Ukrainians are obliged to bury Russian soldiers under the Geneva Convention.
Do you think you'd be able to piece together a working tank from all the destroyed shitboxes?
>Is it technically looting?
who's going to stop you?
The gnomes who want scrap metal