By extension of this, Swedish Mausers are the absolute supreme champions of Mauser derivative rifles. They're made from the best quality Swedish tool steel, and are basically unbreakable. You often find 100+ yo Swedish Mausers on the Scandinavian markets that are basically pristine despite a century of use.
Build quality. I have one from 1901 that's been laying in a swamp for a while, then refurbished, only to end up with me. The action is as smooth as the day it was built.
The 98 was first, it set the bar >and like sex your first (though memorable) will unlikely be your best
-The 1903 is the american mauser, 1/2 the slop, less Teutonic in proportion, a Rifleman's Rifle
-The pre 65 Win M70 was peak control feed
-The Mauser 66 with its floating rear bridge is the coolest
-The Colt Sauer with internal cams, the smoooothest
But the undisputed king of bolt guns Is the REMINGTON 700.
See also: >Three rings of steel >40x >those sales numbers >Benchrest, Palma, PRS, 3 position....all 700 pattern. >best .22 action.....40x Rimfire (you know a 700)
>Trigger design so flawed and unsafe that it can't be solved by the aftermarket >The Rem 700 is good because rifles that aren't the Rem 700 just use the same footprint for aftermarket support. >Three rings of steel
"The most dramatic result was the blast test. If, for example, a small stone or bullet gets stuck in the barrel of the rifle, the shooter risks injury if he or she fires the weapon. To simulate such an accident, the test staff rammed a bullet into the barrel of each rifle. The guns were then screwed into a special vise before being fired.
In order to more easily assess how the different rifles behaved, FMV's testing staff filmed the test with a high-speed camera.
The images show how two of the weapons tested - Browning and Remington - explode and shatter."
"The other six rifles passed the test with a deformed barrel. A positive thing was that the breech on all weapons held up, which could otherwise lead to serious injuries to the shooter's head."
I suppose its nice that the action didn't blow up, which wasn't an issue for any other rifle that didn't have "3 rings of steel", but if they could get their barrels to shoot and not explode, that would be nice. Saying the rem 700 is the best bolt action is like saying the Mcdouble is the best burger ever invented because it sold the most.
dont, just buy a good surplus. Unironically better QC, if it survived a war it cant have any severe defects. These old ones are built better too, much more hand fitting as well. Heard some leaf-homosexuals are bringing out new Zastava K98 for like 1000 bucks, lol whoever buys them is grande moron
I've had a postwar commercial Swedish rifle built on a Mauser 98 action with a brand new barrel and a civilian trigger, it was miles better than a wartime 98
I had an opportunity to hold a military stock Kar 98 rebarreled in .308Win. Only thing I thought then was "I'd rather have a factory built sporter drilled and prepared for scope mounting"
https://i.imgur.com/PhxqgIE.jpg
Yes, I even know a place where I can get a Husqvarna in 30-06. They're pretty rare here. However, a used Husqvarna is three times more expensive than Zastava and two of that of Voere.
Then get a model 70. Great guns, I can open mine with my pinky.
Model 70 is unobtanium, especially pre-64 and post-90s models.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Model 70 is unobtanium, especially pre-64 and post-90s models.
... they are still in production
https://www.winchesterguns.com/products/rifles/model-70/current.html
And a few hundred on gunbroker. I doubt that they are anything other than expensive where you live.
11 months ago
Anonymous
No, they're terribly rare where I live. The legend of Model 70 has passed us by completely, unlike the fame of Rem700.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Then I'd go for an X-bolt if you can. I have a 70 and X-bolt, and while the 70 is definitely better, the X-bolt is still lovely.
Maybe look into Voere and their 2155/2165 models anon. I’m after the exact same thing you are and that’s what I’m looking at currently, just trying to find one to handle
wiener on open? No thanks. There's a reason thr SMLE wiener on close beat it twice. Literally the only problem with the Enfield is the rimmed cartridge. I have an Indian smle in 308 and it's basically the perfect bolt action.
Mauser 98. Make it small and you get a nice gong kicker for rimfire or intermediate cartridge. Make it normal and you get a good rifle for most of the Eurasian hunts (from musk deer to brown bear)and most useful calibers. Add some size and thickness, and you can roll into the world of African big dangerous game hunts. Or even take down APCs with it.
Most of expensive hunting rifles for rich folks are Mausers. Most of the world's armies had Mausers. Best mass made rifles from USA are Mauser derivatives.
bolt action rifles were invented by european homosexuals for the purpose of ensuring the homosexuals who made up the yuro armies could jerk off their prostates on campaign. There is a reason there are no good domestic American rifles that aren't just 100% stolen yuro designs
>left or right handed action
must be shit then. Any good gun is made so lefties can't use them
>What is the greatest bolt-action rifle ever created?
Humm
In military issue? Probably the Swedish in 6.5 if the purpose of a rifle is to be robust accurate nice to shoot decent range and reliable. After that probably the Anschutz rifles and hamerlli rifles, the tikkas, the CZ 550s etc
Its not though, don;t get me wrong it IS a great rifle but rear locking lugs belong on black power rifles like the swiss vetterli and the mauser is correct to have the in front. This is important enough to matter, the both fire an almost identical boolit though and hate to tell you but the bongs copied the krauts 303 boolit is basically 8mm (well 7.92) and copied from the Gew88, My personal favourites are the snider carbine and CZ452
This is the correct answer. Frick Krauts. The SMLE is God Tier.
Poor ejection design. My SMLE can barely get an empty case to roll out of the action even after I replaced the extractor spring. I’ve NEVER had ejection problems with any Mauser
The Enfield is an early generation smokeless action that was supposed to be replaced multiple times but circumstances dictated otherwise. It's like if the US kept making better versions of the Krag into WW2 and beyond.
Not a SMLE but I have a No. 4 Mk 1 and I have similar ejection issues, even after replacing the ejector spring. Magazine also has problems keeping ammo in on the right side, because what I THINK is a very slight lip deformation. It's hard to tell because it's so slight.
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Not a SMLE but I have a No. 4 Mk 1 and I have similar ejection issues, even after replacing the ejector spring. Magazine also has problems keeping ammo in on the right side, because what I THINK is a very slight lip deformation. It's hard to tell because it's so slight.
Honestly i think this is part of the issue with SMLE Rifles, why they are inferior to the mauser as a combat rifle. The SMLE is a very fast rifle, and a great target rifle, but it has a lot of small problems that Enfield-Lovers just cant accept: A removable magazine that has to be handmatched to the rifle, thereby removing the advantage of using multiple magazines. Its feed lips are a constant point of stress and failure, which you dont get with the receiver walls on the mauser, also often enfields on the market dont have their original mag since they werent numbered (great job bongs) so they dont work right. The enfield manages to not only have a shitton of small screws and springs which all can fail and break, but also a four piece stock, again, more parts more points of failure. What i really appreciate about the mauser is that its simple: basically no small parts too break and everything overbuilt. Couple that with issues like headspace in combination with rear locking lugs and you start to see why it never went anywhere
It's some flavor of Remington 700, probably a model BDL since it has a floorplate for the magazine and a bit fancier stock with a forend cap and a grip cap. But there are many sub-variants and special models of Rem 700, it might be one of those.
>Also, what is a good bolt action handgun?
There are very few, and they're just as good as their matching rifles are. Most are based on a rifle action, like the Remington XP-100 is a pistol version of the Model 700 rifle. Weatherby made a MkV pistol, same as the rifle. They are usually single-shots intended either for hunting or silhouette shooting. There's a handful of other oddballs, like the B&T VP9 & Station Six.
You would be having a hard time killing a brown bear with it. 7,62 and 7mm are better.
https://i.imgur.com/gK3NiA2.jpg
The Winchester Model 70. It's the Trailmaster MB200 of rifles.
Basically an Enfield M1917, which is basically a Mauser.
it is impossible for a straight pull (ironically named) to be the GOAT because straight pulls are universally synonymous with untrained homosexual moron conscripts and dickholes who cannot into marksmanship
straight pull = gay pull
I'd say Ross rifle is cool. But my heart belongs to 98
That's a tough call, and really depends on the application. Winchester model 70 is fantastic, X-bolt is fantastic, but neither are something like a sniper rifle, but true modern sniper rifles are usually terrible hunting rifles.
Agreed Model 70 bro, I've shot a ton of game with mine.
You would be having a hard time killing a brown bear with it. 7,62 and 7mm are better.
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Basically an Enfield M1917, which is basically a Mauser.
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I'd say Ross rifle is cool. But my heart belongs to 98
>Basically an Enfield M1917
Not at all >which is basically a Mauser
But yes.
it is impossible for a straight pull (ironically named) to be the GOAT because straight pulls are universally synonymous with untrained homosexual moron conscripts and dickholes who cannot into marksmanship
I appreciate the machining quality of the K31 but I don't care for the straight pull action, it has weak primary extraction. And while the action works fine for its cartridge it doesn't scale well. Meanwhile the Mauser style action has been used for everything from children's rifles to dangerous game calibers. Heck even the tankgewehr m1918 is basically just a giant Mauser.
it is impossible for a straight pull (ironically named) to be the GOAT because straight pulls are universally synonymous with untrained homosexual moron conscripts and dickholes who cannot into marksmanship
straight pull = gay pull
and he has a point. You've got moron conscripts on one end, and then you've got the richgays who think money can substitute for training when they buy $$$$ Blasers but somehow can't manage to fire more than half a box of ammo before they go on safari.
I'll remind you that most 91/30s have fricked up barrels. Mainly the wartime rifles.
In wartime production, when drilling the bore, the soviets used dull tooling so the barrels had a tendency to bend. Normally gun manufacturers measure and remove these bends, but the soviets skipped that step. As long as it could hit something at 100m, it was enough for them.
Also, they'd often drill the bores in crooked. As in eccentric. The bore axis would be misaligned with the barrel axis.
Don't take my word for it. Take a look at the front sight post on your 91/30. Just see how far off center it really is.
Let's also not forget the horrendous rimmed cartridge and magazine design, garbage stripper clips, and 3rd world-tier tolerances.
>Don't take my word for it. Take a look at the front sight post on your 91/30. Just see how far off center it really is.
It's off center because it was meant to be shot with bayonet attached. Unless it's a sniper version.
This and don't forget that good milsurp for x54r dried a long time ago...
The sub 2/300 €$£ hex receiver and crate of Czech light ball was a good deal, a wartime counterbored sticky bolt 91/30 and a spam of chinese catfood scented pkm ammo for lol 600€$£ is a joke..
Yet it's closer to the gun Soviet Black folk got their hands on during the great hurra...
And still, that's coming from a dude that flipped Westinghouse and sako mosins on EU gun websites for monies.
It seems like people who shit on Mosins usually either expect them to be something similar to older Rem700 in terms of quality or take some minor issues and overblow them.
Color me surprised when I have to spoonfeed a braindead slavboo. This book, and by extension, all related books are extremely excellent. I had a chance to meet the author a couple times at the Tulsa show. Some of the books are in russian, but with translate apps, you can just take a pic of the page and translate it.
checking them digits and also playing nerd, they only used .309 barrels in the M27 and M28, M39 is in .310. Still tighter than the .311 of soviet rods, but made to shoot soviet ball accurately too
its actually really interesting to me how slick the Sako is, feels almost like mauser. I actually dont think the M39 is the best Rifle, just really like it
Frog here, I love my Mas36s and frf1* but :
-mas 36 is a good rugged design but it lacks the smoothness and adaptability of say mausers ( wether a 98 or 96 )...
Frf1 is an extraordinary cool piece of old counter terrorist/sniping gear but its heavy as a pig and still not as smooth, accurate or easy to manufacture as a M40 for example.
*7,5MAS, 7-08rem rebarrel and 7,62nato
On the contrary my least powerful mauser 98 was a 243 kettner Sporter and I have a genuine 70s 98 rebarrelled into 375hh...
Exactly and the frf1 with it's asymmetrical bolt lugs is cool and all but it's a hevy ass cludge compared to say a m40, Steyr ssg69, early Accuracy etc..
The frf1 is closer in design philosophie as a swiss zfk55, a heavily modified infantry piece turned into a sniper ( even moreso with APX 3,5 scope).
It matters only if an action is so badly finished you have trouble cycling rounds.
But course it matters a lot to you, as all you do is dry fire in your room.
Ive handled more than 200 through my shop, not that what you said was even an appropriate response.
11 months ago
Anonymous
So you know smoothness matters but you just want to act tough on the internet.
11 months ago
Anonymous
It doesn’t, unless it’s so rough it’s stopping you from cycling rounds
11 months ago
Anonymous
>it's ok to cycle half as fast as a better gun
alright
11 months ago
Anonymous
Find me a gun whose design makes feeding so rough it slows it down by 50%. Go.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Move these goalposts further, go
11 months ago
Anonymous
Half is 50% isn’t it?
11 months ago
Anonymous
>design
Try build quality, Black person
11 months ago
Anonymous
Ok, build quality then, where is your list?
11 months ago
Anonymous
Handle a Swedish wiener-on-close Mauser and a M91 Carcano and get back to me
11 months ago
Anonymous
I don’t need to, I’ve handled plenty. You, on the other hand, should become a hasguns and stop repeating boomer lore.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Wow we found the guy who got the few Carcanos that don't suck
11 months ago
Anonymous
Found the guy who thinks he knows what a factory Carcano is like because he fingerfricked the typical American Carcano parts gun with a random bolt from a pile that’s not even correct.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Wrong. >muh factory new pre-1918 rifle
Yeah ok
>Handle a Swedish wiener-on-close Mauser
are you saying the wiener on open design is what makes the action rough? Ive never understood this
No, just that Swedes are particularly smooth
11 months ago
Anonymous
>No, just that Swedes are particularly smooth
oh ok
11 months ago
Anonymous
"Hurr you can’t be talking about original rifles when comparing the quality of designs"
Next you’ll tell me that Carcanos have bad accuracy?
11 months ago
Anonymous
Project harder, dumbass. Accuracy is not an issue on good examples, same with Mosins. The action is. >muh design
A lot of good that does when the example you have in your hand is as smooth as a rusty 98 freshly pulled out of a well.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Project what? Do you just say things?
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Handle a Swedish wiener-on-close Mauser
are you saying the wiener on open design is what makes the action rough? Ive never understood this
11 months ago
Anonymous
mosin
11 months ago
Anonymous
Not factory. It’s a very smooth bolt. Some refurbs with out of spec bolts get over pressure signs every shot and newbies think that’s normal.
11 months ago
Anonymous
okay, so if i take 50 mosins at random and load them with surp steel case you tell me that the absolute majority will be smooth as butter? Thats funny cause there seems to be 100 mosins with a bad bolt for every one with a decent one. Btw got a finnish M39 and polish M44, fresh from the arsenal. The polish one has a hard to close bolt then and again and once the cases get hot they get sticky and hard to extract cause the mosin lacks good primary extraction paired with a hard wiener-on-open- The finnish one is indeed smooth as butter, then again its practically the king of mosins
11 months ago
Anonymous
Arguing with Mosin fanboys is a waste of time my dude.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Those 50 are not representative of an as issued rifle. About 49/50 will be horribly put together refurbs. If you can pick me 50 actually matching guns, yes, they feed smooth as butter.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>put stripper clip in >try pushing rounds in, 5th try does it >rim jam >feeble interruptor failed >round nosedives >rim jam >beat bolt closed with hammer cause extractor >fire >case is stuck, no primary extraction >beat bolt open >rim jam
glorious, truly the greatest rifle of all time. btw had a soviet M91/30 and hungarian one too, both had same problems.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Have you ever seen a non-refurb?
The machining is atrociously rough.
During refurb, they smooth it all out. The polished bolts is a product of the refurb. A non refurb bolt is so rough that it looks like it's made of stone.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Your numbers are wrong, less than 1/10 of Mosins suffers from sticky bolt syndrome despite 9/10 of them being mismatched
Lee-Enfield, MkIII onwards. Durable, accurate, quick, versatile, all with twice the ammunition of its competitors... only issue is rimlock with the .303 rounds, which isn't that common.
>Durable,
Yeah sure that's why the bolt head is a consumable ( wich isn't standardized and results in hilarious headspace issues, something mausers are known to avoid and are 90% intercompatible)
Oh and even without bolt heads the receivers themselves are waaaaaaaaay less structurally sound than a 98 that can be rebarrelled up to lol 375hh or 300wm with a mag milling.
Enfield on the other hand is on the weak side of KABOOM when pajeets messes with 308 ...
>accurate,
Eventually with proper bedding and stock prepping, wich won't happen out of arsenal and won't stay in place the second you use the gun in a trench.
Oh and the common no3 mkIV get shat on accuracy wise by a swedish mauser, g11, k31, mas 36, finnish mosin etc... All of wich have better ballistics by themselves.
Good sights tho
>quick,
Basically on par with a swedish mauser, slower than a krag.
Good aperture battle sight tho
>versatile,
Lolwut? It's a volt action with a dubious stock design and a caliber too weak to be a big game cartridge... So not as versatile as old Johnny 1903 or Ivan's Nugget
>and all with twice the ammunition of its competitors...
only issue is rimlock with the .303 rounds, which isn't that common.
...and shit clips, non inter compatible mags, iffy steel sometimes.
And take this from someone that do "speed drill 100m" aka shoot 10 shots from prone from an empty rifle :
Even with decent ammo, decent rim design, good clips and practice, it takes as much time to reload a LE to 10 shot and fire as to shoot a m38 swedish mauser 2x5 shots.
So yeah your big advantage is the 10 rnd mags, something that can be grafted to any mauser derivative in a matter of hours...
Nice going Blokeontherange but nobody cares and service rifle competition proved you wrong 80yrs ago.
Speaking of Mauser 98 and its derivatives, which are the versions that are currently in production?
Win 70, Ruger Hawkeye, Zastava bolts, Blaser Group Mauser 98 (that's used by various gunsmith shops as the basis for further work), who else makes 98s now?
Which gunshops in particular do work with 98s? I know WR, Rigby, Fanzoj, Prechtl.
Voere uses old systems. Velser too.
FZH makes new systems at exorbitant, not sure who makes rifles of it though. Frankonia uses reworked zastava systems for cheap.
It's really sad that CZ discontinued the 550, there are few good value mauser systems on the market now.
When you say ‘old systems’ do you mean they use old pre-built actions? And if so do you know the origins of them? Looking at buying one myself and wondering about the quality
Voere uses Santa Barbara actions. Most of the high end gunsmiths use modern Mauser actions, however some still have older actions. For example Rigby offers London Best with either modern or antique action of unclear origin
Can’t say I’d heard of Santa Barbara before. Are they decent? Chasing a new-production Mauser in 7x57 but I’m not at the stage where a London Best or bespoke rifle is on the cards so considering Zastava or Voere at the moment.
I've heard that some people say that they're supposedly more sloppy than german action, but I think they're nitpicking. I've heard that Parker-Hale have been using Santa Barbara actions for their rifles, and P-H have almost beat Accuracy International on military trials.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Snap, if Parker Hale used them then probably worth giving Voere a shot too. Never minded those Parker Hale Mausers.
Also, if you don't mind used guns, look for czech Mausers - Brno ZKK 600 series and CZ550
Czech Mausers were actually what gave me the Mauser bug, got gifted an old Brno 21 in 8x57 and later a ZKK 601 in .243. However the prices on them have been going through the roof recently, and CZ 550s have been terrible to come across so I thought I’d look into getting a properly ‘new’ rifle so to speak. Also it still kills me how CZ just shat all over its legacy by scrapping the 550.
Every boutique gunsmith in Europe offers 98s. Starts with Johannsen at ~10k and has practically no limit upwards.
If your budget is tight, buy a used one. Nice ones go for ~5k with good glass. Justasgood (TM) ones from a few hundred into the low thousands depending on the glass mostly.
New production ones aren‘t really worth it, unless money is not a limiting factor in which case you will likely buy premium anyways IMO.
I do not know the US market, but Europe is so flooded with used 98s not finding one that really suits your needs is impossible.
>but Europe is so flooded with used 98s not finding one that really suits your needs is impossible.
Seems like it's a question of money. If only importing rifles wouldn't be a mess.
I own a Mark V in .240 Magnum. Flattest shooting rifle you'll ever touch.
My great grandfather, a guy I barely knew, basically threw it at me as a gift before he died, along with a frickton of ammo and my father never got over it. He had been hoping for decades that his grandfather would give him that rifle.
The Springfield 1903 is just a Mauser 93 in a different caliber. We captured some, rechambered them for 30-06, and called it the M1903. Still a Mauser no matter what.
Pretty much all of America.
Sweden has very liberal (not in the modern sense of the word) laws on moose hunting.
Belarus has legal bison hunts.
In Russia you can hunt almost every edible animal that's not in the list of endangered species. And in certain regions you receive rewards for killing wolves, ranging from free tickets for hunting moose or boar to money.
Zero nostalgia or romanticism for this rifle because it was mainly an interwar arm that got replaced by the Garand, and it isn't very pretty, but it's the best bolt action ever made.
>aperture with protective wings with both battle and precise sighting modes, similar to the M16 >can hold 6+1, and an extra round over your opponent if he comes over the trench can only be good >turn down bolt handle that is perfectly positioned at the trigger for rapid firing >wiener on close which is frankly just a superior system for rapid shooting, given you have more strength pushing forward than pulling up >bolt handle also falls in a nice notch that makes for a third lug, providing some back-up protection for your face in case of boom >big long mauser-like claw extractors are unfailingly reliable
I think it should've had a 3 inches cut off the nose and a half inch on the stock to make it more handy in trenches, but otherwise it has no flaws.
>because it was mainly an interwar arm that got replaced by the Garand,
the .303 versions of the rifle got used by the bong home guard and something like 2/3rds or 3/4ths of all US troops who fought in WWI used an Enfield. Alvin York used one and b***hed about it constantly because it was heavy and he liked the sights on the 1903 better. 1917s were way more common than 1903s, but they all got surplused or sent to other countries as military aid after WWI because heavy and because morons preferred the overengineered target sights on the 1903 over the peep and ladder of the enfield
There is none.
If you think there is you’re a childish consumerist, anyone with half a brain realizes there is no “greatest bolt-action rifle” any more than there is a “greatest car”.
Different rifles fill different niches. A 30k benchrest rifle rifle would be an awful hunting rifle, a hunting rifle would be an awful benchrest shooter and something that can do a little of both isn’t going to be the best at either.
There are some that are good compromises like the B14 but unless you’re specifying what it’s supposed to be greatest at it’s a stupid thread and so are the people posting in it.
That car would be shit at driving on non paved roads and for going innawoods.
Also shit at moving things, game etc
Being able to go fast and handle at that speed isn’t the only thing that makes a good car any more than being able to shoot as far as possible is what determines how good a rifle is
What is the best new & MODERN bolt action rifle to get? Like straight from, the factory, something that I could buy at gunshop or Cabelas, and not have to worry about whether it was made pre-19fricking60 or not?
What’s your budget anon? Because you could go with a Tikka T3X, a Winchester Model 70, a Ruger M77, or plenty of other good options that would all be defined by your budget
><$1500 ideally
Would probably suggest going with a Tikka T3X or Winchester Model 70, both reliable and accurate rifles out of the box with plenty of different variants to choose from. There are plenty of others that would fit that criteria too but those would be the first ones I’d recommend to a customer walking through the door
Mauser 98
goddamn how can one post be so good and based and correct and also the first post
By extension of this, Swedish Mausers are the absolute supreme champions of Mauser derivative rifles. They're made from the best quality Swedish tool steel, and are basically unbreakable. You often find 100+ yo Swedish Mausers on the Scandinavian markets that are basically pristine despite a century of use.
How are they so much better than CZ500 or Brno, or any other kind of Mauser clone?
Build quality. I have one from 1901 that's been laying in a swamp for a while, then refurbished, only to end up with me. The action is as smooth as the day it was built.
It’s made all fancy and shit but the 98 brought needed improvements that are related to function and not just feeling nice.
The 98 was first, it set the bar
>and like sex your first (though memorable) will unlikely be your best
-The 1903 is the american mauser, 1/2 the slop, less Teutonic in proportion, a Rifleman's Rifle
-The pre 65 Win M70 was peak control feed
-The Mauser 66 with its floating rear bridge is the coolest
-The Colt Sauer with internal cams, the smoooothest
But the undisputed king of bolt guns Is the REMINGTON 700.
See also:
>Three rings of steel
>40x
>those sales numbers
>Benchrest, Palma, PRS, 3 position....all 700 pattern.
>best .22 action.....40x Rimfire (you know a 700)
>Trigger design so flawed and unsafe that it can't be solved by the aftermarket
>The Rem 700 is good because rifles that aren't the Rem 700 just use the same footprint for aftermarket support.
>Three rings of steel
"The most dramatic result was the blast test. If, for example, a small stone or bullet gets stuck in the barrel of the rifle, the shooter risks injury if he or she fires the weapon. To simulate such an accident, the test staff rammed a bullet into the barrel of each rifle. The guns were then screwed into a special vise before being fired.
In order to more easily assess how the different rifles behaved, FMV's testing staff filmed the test with a high-speed camera.
The images show how two of the weapons tested - Browning and Remington - explode and shatter."
"The other six rifles passed the test with a deformed barrel. A positive thing was that the breech on all weapons held up, which could otherwise lead to serious injuries to the shooter's head."
https://www.testfakta.se/sv/sport-fritid/article/har-exploderar-algstudsaren
I suppose its nice that the action didn't blow up, which wasn't an issue for any other rifle that didn't have "3 rings of steel", but if they could get their barrels to shoot and not explode, that would be nice. Saying the rem 700 is the best bolt action is like saying the Mcdouble is the best burger ever invented because it sold the most.
>Mauser 66 with its floating rear bridge
what is floating rear bridge, anons?
What's the best option for a modern Mauser 98, that isn't going to cost you 15k? Like a Zastava or something?
dont, just buy a good surplus. Unironically better QC, if it survived a war it cant have any severe defects. These old ones are built better too, much more hand fitting as well. Heard some leaf-homosexuals are bringing out new Zastava K98 for like 1000 bucks, lol whoever buys them is grande moron
I've had a postwar commercial Swedish rifle built on a Mauser 98 action with a brand new barrel and a civilian trigger, it was miles better than a wartime 98
>just buy a good surplus.
I wouldn't like to modify a historical Kar 98. Not to mention that for hunting it's too heavy
my mistake then, thought you meant standard rifle with iron sights. I agree, bubbas get the rope, the slightly sharp one
I had an opportunity to hold a military stock Kar 98 rebarreled in .308Win. Only thing I thought then was "I'd rather have a factory built sporter drilled and prepared for scope mounting"
Yes, I even know a place where I can get a Husqvarna in 30-06. They're pretty rare here. However, a used Husqvarna is three times more expensive than Zastava and two of that of Voere.
Model 70 is unobtanium, especially pre-64 and post-90s models.
>Model 70 is unobtanium, especially pre-64 and post-90s models.
... they are still in production
https://www.winchesterguns.com/products/rifles/model-70/current.html
And a few hundred on gunbroker. I doubt that they are anything other than expensive where you live.
No, they're terribly rare where I live. The legend of Model 70 has passed us by completely, unlike the fame of Rem700.
Then I'd go for an X-bolt if you can. I have a 70 and X-bolt, and while the 70 is definitely better, the X-bolt is still lovely.
Want
Then get a model 70. Great guns, I can open mine with my pinky.
Maybe look into Voere and their 2155/2165 models anon. I’m after the exact same thing you are and that’s what I’m looking at currently, just trying to find one to handle
worked great for the 6th army in the winter.
wiener on open? No thanks. There's a reason thr SMLE wiener on close beat it twice. Literally the only problem with the Enfield is the rimmed cartridge. I have an Indian smle in 308 and it's basically the perfect bolt action.
hard to argue with that one
.303 sucks
Mauser 98. Make it small and you get a nice gong kicker for rimfire or intermediate cartridge. Make it normal and you get a good rifle for most of the Eurasian hunts (from musk deer to brown bear)and most useful calibers. Add some size and thickness, and you can roll into the world of African big dangerous game hunts. Or even take down APCs with it.
Most of expensive hunting rifles for rich folks are Mausers. Most of the world's armies had Mausers. Best mass made rifles from USA are Mauser derivatives.
bolt action rifles were invented by european homosexuals for the purpose of ensuring the homosexuals who made up the yuro armies could jerk off their prostates on campaign. There is a reason there are no good domestic American rifles that aren't just 100% stolen yuro designs
>left or right handed action
must be shit then. Any good gun is made so lefties can't use them
How do you know that sticking a bolt in your ass feels good on the prostate, anon? Is there a story you'd like to share with us perhaps?
This is the correct answer. Frick Krauts. The SMLE is God Tier.
>What is the greatest bolt-action rifle ever created?
Humm
In military issue? Probably the Swedish in 6.5 if the purpose of a rifle is to be robust accurate nice to shoot decent range and reliable. After that probably the Anschutz rifles and hamerlli rifles, the tikkas, the CZ 550s etc
Its not though, don;t get me wrong it IS a great rifle but rear locking lugs belong on black power rifles like the swiss vetterli and the mauser is correct to have the in front. This is important enough to matter, the both fire an almost identical boolit though and hate to tell you but the bongs copied the krauts 303 boolit is basically 8mm (well 7.92) and copied from the Gew88, My personal favourites are the snider carbine and CZ452
>Mauser 98 bad because I hate germans
Bong logic.
israelite with shit taste
>My political sensibilities don't allow me to appreciate nice things
Shame
Poor ejection design. My SMLE can barely get an empty case to roll out of the action even after I replaced the extractor spring. I’ve NEVER had ejection problems with any Mauser
The Enfield is an early generation smokeless action that was supposed to be replaced multiple times but circumstances dictated otherwise. It's like if the US kept making better versions of the Krag into WW2 and beyond.
>It's like if the US kept making better versions of the Krag into WW2 and beyond.
Would be kino
>No Krag mk7 to buy and make love to
why u do this to me man.
Not a SMLE but I have a No. 4 Mk 1 and I have similar ejection issues, even after replacing the ejector spring. Magazine also has problems keeping ammo in on the right side, because what I THINK is a very slight lip deformation. It's hard to tell because it's so slight.
Honestly i think this is part of the issue with SMLE Rifles, why they are inferior to the mauser as a combat rifle. The SMLE is a very fast rifle, and a great target rifle, but it has a lot of small problems that Enfield-Lovers just cant accept: A removable magazine that has to be handmatched to the rifle, thereby removing the advantage of using multiple magazines. Its feed lips are a constant point of stress and failure, which you dont get with the receiver walls on the mauser, also often enfields on the market dont have their original mag since they werent numbered (great job bongs) so they dont work right. The enfield manages to not only have a shitton of small screws and springs which all can fail and break, but also a four piece stock, again, more parts more points of failure. What i really appreciate about the mauser is that its simple: basically no small parts too break and everything overbuilt. Couple that with issues like headspace in combination with rear locking lugs and you start to see why it never went anywhere
These poor guys have never experienced smooth feeding or positive ejection in their lives. I feel bad for them.
Forgive a moron I beg; what gun is pictured here?
Also, what is a good bolt action handgun?
It's some flavor of Remington 700, probably a model BDL since it has a floorplate for the magazine and a bit fancier stock with a forend cap and a grip cap. But there are many sub-variants and special models of Rem 700, it might be one of those.
>Also, what is a good bolt action handgun?
There are very few, and they're just as good as their matching rifles are. Most are based on a rifle action, like the Remington XP-100 is a pistol version of the Model 700 rifle. Weatherby made a MkV pistol, same as the rifle. They are usually single-shots intended either for hunting or silhouette shooting. There's a handful of other oddballs, like the B&T VP9 & Station Six.
>what is a good bolt action handgun?
the longtime champ
The nugget
Will always be /k/'s rifle
Sako TRG
Swedish mausers is the only real answer.
6.5x55 is god tier.
You would be having a hard time killing a brown bear with it. 7,62 and 7mm are better.
Basically an Enfield M1917, which is basically a Mauser.
I'd say Ross rifle is cool. But my heart belongs to 98
That's a tough call, and really depends on the application. Winchester model 70 is fantastic, X-bolt is fantastic, but neither are something like a sniper rifle, but true modern sniper rifles are usually terrible hunting rifles.
The Winchester Model 70. It's the Trailmaster MB200 of rifles.
Agreed Model 70 bro, I've shot a ton of game with mine.
>Basically an Enfield M1917
Not at all
>which is basically a Mauser
But yes.
Benelli Lupo
groups at 455 yards
good at ringing steel at a thousand too
Also happens to look pretty sexy. I'll be getting the wood furniture variant when I can.
Very nice anon, been wondering how these performed! What caliber is yours in?
K31
Every other answer is shit
>Straight pull bolt
>detachable mag
>accurate and hard hitting gp11
>Excellent trigger
>Sword bayonet
it is impossible for a straight pull (ironically named) to be the GOAT because straight pulls are universally synonymous with untrained homosexual moron conscripts and dickholes who cannot into marksmanship
straight pull = gay pull
That’s why some Swiss gay shot a spaghetti general at 600 yards for a piece of toberlone right?
I appreciate the machining quality of the K31 but I don't care for the straight pull action, it has weak primary extraction. And while the action works fine for its cartridge it doesn't scale well. Meanwhile the Mauser style action has been used for everything from children's rifles to dangerous game calibers. Heck even the tankgewehr m1918 is basically just a giant Mauser.
and he has a point. You've got moron conscripts on one end, and then you've got the richgays who think money can substitute for training when they buy $$$$ Blasers but somehow can't manage to fire more than half a box of ammo before they go on safari.
My brother
you will never be a REAL Schmidt-Rubin
All previous answers are wrong
The gun and then men who won ww2
I'll remind you that most 91/30s have fricked up barrels. Mainly the wartime rifles.
In wartime production, when drilling the bore, the soviets used dull tooling so the barrels had a tendency to bend. Normally gun manufacturers measure and remove these bends, but the soviets skipped that step. As long as it could hit something at 100m, it was enough for them.
Also, they'd often drill the bores in crooked. As in eccentric. The bore axis would be misaligned with the barrel axis.
Don't take my word for it. Take a look at the front sight post on your 91/30. Just see how far off center it really is.
Let's also not forget the horrendous rimmed cartridge and magazine design, garbage stripper clips, and 3rd world-tier tolerances.
>Don't take my word for it. Take a look at the front sight post on your 91/30. Just see how far off center it really is.
It's off center because it was meant to be shot with bayonet attached. Unless it's a sniper version.
The barrel issue is well-documented in just about every 91/30 publication.
Let's not pretend that the Finns were rebarreling all of the captured 91/30s for fun.
They rebarreled all their Mosins because they had only used tsarist rifles with working actions and barrels of different degree of wear
This and don't forget that good milsurp for x54r dried a long time ago...
The sub 2/300 €$£ hex receiver and crate of Czech light ball was a good deal, a wartime counterbored sticky bolt 91/30 and a spam of chinese catfood scented pkm ammo for lol 600€$£ is a joke..
Yet it's closer to the gun Soviet Black folk got their hands on during the great hurra...
And still, that's coming from a dude that flipped Westinghouse and sako mosins on EU gun websites for monies.
Frick
Mosins
So well-documented I couldn't quick-google it.
It seems like people who shit on Mosins usually either expect them to be something similar to older Rem700 in terms of quality or take some minor issues and overblow them.
Because google sucks wiener?
I’m not even the person who you are replying to but if you had a mosin before 2013 you would have to know
>muh google
Color me surprised when I have to spoonfeed a braindead slavboo. This book, and by extension, all related books are extremely excellent. I had a chance to meet the author a couple times at the Tulsa show. Some of the books are in russian, but with translate apps, you can just take a pic of the page and translate it.
https://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?1060597-WTS-Books-Development-of-the-Mosin-Nagant-rifle-7-62x54r-91-30-Submachineguns&p=9532227#post9532227
Can't access.
Finns also chambered their guns in 7.62x53
checking them digits and also playing nerd, they only used .309 barrels in the M27 and M28, M39 is in .310. Still tighter than the .311 of soviet rods, but made to shoot soviet ball accurately too
its actually really interesting to me how slick the Sako is, feels almost like mauser. I actually dont think the M39 is the best Rifle, just really like it
Oh yeah I’m sure that piece of dogshit won ww2 and it def wasn’t the US’s absurd logistical capabilities combined with Hitler’s methhead incompetence.
I wish we’d listened to Patton and wiped Russia off the fricking map
Wasn't the MAS 36 basically considered the logical conclusion to bolt action infantry rifles?
Frog here, I love my Mas36s and frf1* but :
-mas 36 is a good rugged design but it lacks the smoothness and adaptability of say mausers ( wether a 98 or 96 )...
Frf1 is an extraordinary cool piece of old counter terrorist/sniping gear but its heavy as a pig and still not as smooth, accurate or easy to manufacture as a M40 for example.
*7,5MAS, 7-08rem rebarrel and 7,62nato
On the contrary my least powerful mauser 98 was a 243 kettner Sporter and I have a genuine 70s 98 rebarrelled into 375hh...
So ideal for an infantry rifle, less so for marksman roles
Exactly and the frf1 with it's asymmetrical bolt lugs is cool and all but it's a hevy ass cludge compared to say a m40, Steyr ssg69, early Accuracy etc..
The frf1 is closer in design philosophie as a swiss zfk55, a heavily modified infantry piece turned into a sniper ( even moreso with APX 3,5 scope).
>smoothness matters
>>
Yes it does.
It matters only if an action is so badly finished you have trouble cycling rounds.
But course it matters a lot to you, as all you do is dry fire in your room.
You've never handled a 91 Carcano
Ive handled more than 200 through my shop, not that what you said was even an appropriate response.
So you know smoothness matters but you just want to act tough on the internet.
It doesn’t, unless it’s so rough it’s stopping you from cycling rounds
>it's ok to cycle half as fast as a better gun
alright
Find me a gun whose design makes feeding so rough it slows it down by 50%. Go.
Move these goalposts further, go
Half is 50% isn’t it?
>design
Try build quality, Black person
Ok, build quality then, where is your list?
Handle a Swedish wiener-on-close Mauser and a M91 Carcano and get back to me
I don’t need to, I’ve handled plenty. You, on the other hand, should become a hasguns and stop repeating boomer lore.
Wow we found the guy who got the few Carcanos that don't suck
Found the guy who thinks he knows what a factory Carcano is like because he fingerfricked the typical American Carcano parts gun with a random bolt from a pile that’s not even correct.
Wrong.
>muh factory new pre-1918 rifle
Yeah ok
No, just that Swedes are particularly smooth
>No, just that Swedes are particularly smooth
oh ok
"Hurr you can’t be talking about original rifles when comparing the quality of designs"
Next you’ll tell me that Carcanos have bad accuracy?
Project harder, dumbass. Accuracy is not an issue on good examples, same with Mosins. The action is.
>muh design
A lot of good that does when the example you have in your hand is as smooth as a rusty 98 freshly pulled out of a well.
Project what? Do you just say things?
>Handle a Swedish wiener-on-close Mauser
are you saying the wiener on open design is what makes the action rough? Ive never understood this
mosin
Not factory. It’s a very smooth bolt. Some refurbs with out of spec bolts get over pressure signs every shot and newbies think that’s normal.
okay, so if i take 50 mosins at random and load them with surp steel case you tell me that the absolute majority will be smooth as butter? Thats funny cause there seems to be 100 mosins with a bad bolt for every one with a decent one. Btw got a finnish M39 and polish M44, fresh from the arsenal. The polish one has a hard to close bolt then and again and once the cases get hot they get sticky and hard to extract cause the mosin lacks good primary extraction paired with a hard wiener-on-open- The finnish one is indeed smooth as butter, then again its practically the king of mosins
Arguing with Mosin fanboys is a waste of time my dude.
Those 50 are not representative of an as issued rifle. About 49/50 will be horribly put together refurbs. If you can pick me 50 actually matching guns, yes, they feed smooth as butter.
>put stripper clip in
>try pushing rounds in, 5th try does it
>rim jam
>feeble interruptor failed
>round nosedives
>rim jam
>beat bolt closed with hammer cause extractor
>fire
>case is stuck, no primary extraction
>beat bolt open
>rim jam
glorious, truly the greatest rifle of all time. btw had a soviet M91/30 and hungarian one too, both had same problems.
Have you ever seen a non-refurb?
The machining is atrociously rough.
During refurb, they smooth it all out. The polished bolts is a product of the refurb. A non refurb bolt is so rough that it looks like it's made of stone.
Your numbers are wrong, less than 1/10 of Mosins suffers from sticky bolt syndrome despite 9/10 of them being mismatched
Only by moronic ass francophiles.
Lee-Enfield, MkIII onwards. Durable, accurate, quick, versatile, all with twice the ammunition of its competitors... only issue is rimlock with the .303 rounds, which isn't that common.
>Durable,
Yeah sure that's why the bolt head is a consumable ( wich isn't standardized and results in hilarious headspace issues, something mausers are known to avoid and are 90% intercompatible)
Oh and even without bolt heads the receivers themselves are waaaaaaaaay less structurally sound than a 98 that can be rebarrelled up to lol 375hh or 300wm with a mag milling.
Enfield on the other hand is on the weak side of KABOOM when pajeets messes with 308 ...
>accurate,
Eventually with proper bedding and stock prepping, wich won't happen out of arsenal and won't stay in place the second you use the gun in a trench.
Oh and the common no3 mkIV get shat on accuracy wise by a swedish mauser, g11, k31, mas 36, finnish mosin etc... All of wich have better ballistics by themselves.
Good sights tho
>quick,
Basically on par with a swedish mauser, slower than a krag.
Good aperture battle sight tho
>versatile,
Lolwut? It's a volt action with a dubious stock design and a caliber too weak to be a big game cartridge... So not as versatile as old Johnny 1903 or Ivan's Nugget
>and all with twice the ammunition of its competitors...
only issue is rimlock with the .303 rounds, which isn't that common.
...and shit clips, non inter compatible mags, iffy steel sometimes.
And take this from someone that do "speed drill 100m" aka shoot 10 shots from prone from an empty rifle :
Even with decent ammo, decent rim design, good clips and practice, it takes as much time to reload a LE to 10 shot and fire as to shoot a m38 swedish mauser 2x5 shots.
So yeah your big advantage is the 10 rnd mags, something that can be grafted to any mauser derivative in a matter of hours...
Nice going Blokeontherange but nobody cares and service rifle competition proved you wrong 80yrs ago.
Speaking of Mauser 98 and its derivatives, which are the versions that are currently in production?
Win 70, Ruger Hawkeye, Zastava bolts, Blaser Group Mauser 98 (that's used by various gunsmith shops as the basis for further work), who else makes 98s now?
Which gunshops in particular do work with 98s? I know WR, Rigby, Fanzoj, Prechtl.
Voere.
Voere uses old systems. Velser too.
FZH makes new systems at exorbitant, not sure who makes rifles of it though. Frankonia uses reworked zastava systems for cheap.
It's really sad that CZ discontinued the 550, there are few good value mauser systems on the market now.
When you say ‘old systems’ do you mean they use old pre-built actions? And if so do you know the origins of them? Looking at buying one myself and wondering about the quality
Voere uses Santa Barbara actions. Most of the high end gunsmiths use modern Mauser actions, however some still have older actions. For example Rigby offers London Best with either modern or antique action of unclear origin
Can’t say I’d heard of Santa Barbara before. Are they decent? Chasing a new-production Mauser in 7x57 but I’m not at the stage where a London Best or bespoke rifle is on the cards so considering Zastava or Voere at the moment.
I've heard that some people say that they're supposedly more sloppy than german action, but I think they're nitpicking. I've heard that Parker-Hale have been using Santa Barbara actions for their rifles, and P-H have almost beat Accuracy International on military trials.
Snap, if Parker Hale used them then probably worth giving Voere a shot too. Never minded those Parker Hale Mausers.
Czech Mausers were actually what gave me the Mauser bug, got gifted an old Brno 21 in 8x57 and later a ZKK 601 in .243. However the prices on them have been going through the roof recently, and CZ 550s have been terrible to come across so I thought I’d look into getting a properly ‘new’ rifle so to speak. Also it still kills me how CZ just shat all over its legacy by scrapping the 550.
Also, if you don't mind used guns, look for czech Mausers - Brno ZKK 600 series and CZ550
Every boutique gunsmith in Europe offers 98s. Starts with Johannsen at ~10k and has practically no limit upwards.
If your budget is tight, buy a used one. Nice ones go for ~5k with good glass. Justasgood (TM) ones from a few hundred into the low thousands depending on the glass mostly.
New production ones aren‘t really worth it, unless money is not a limiting factor in which case you will likely buy premium anyways IMO.
I do not know the US market, but Europe is so flooded with used 98s not finding one that really suits your needs is impossible.
>but Europe is so flooded with used 98s not finding one that really suits your needs is impossible.
Seems like it's a question of money. If only importing rifles wouldn't be a mess.
Patrician taste is the Weatherby MK V
The stock looks like Winslow.
Weatherby started business on the mauser action.
Converting bringback k98ks.
I own a Mark V in .240 Magnum. Flattest shooting rifle you'll ever touch.
My great grandfather, a guy I barely knew, basically threw it at me as a gift before he died, along with a frickton of ammo and my father never got over it. He had been hoping for decades that his grandfather would give him that rifle.
Best bang for the $ modern bolt action out there:
The Springfield 1903 and variants.
The Springfield 1903 is just a Mauser 93 in a different caliber. We captured some, rechambered them for 30-06, and called it the M1903. Still a Mauser no matter what.
I really enjoyed my 7.35 Carcano. I might not say best, but I definitely think that it's top 3 material.
Why would it be old gun and not new gun?
Pre-64 model 70
Remington 700
Steyr Mannlicher–Schönauer
Mauser model 98
Madsen M47
And the one you’re training with the most.
Steyr MCA
Arisaka Type 99.
I'm absolutely obsessed with bolt-action rifles like the one on OPs and The Last of Us. Which places in the world can one go hunting?
t.tourist
>t.tourist
have a nice day.
>Which places in the world can one go hunting?
Almost everywhere.
Pretty much all of America.
Sweden has very liberal (not in the modern sense of the word) laws on moose hunting.
Belarus has legal bison hunts.
In Russia you can hunt almost every edible animal that's not in the list of endangered species. And in certain regions you receive rewards for killing wolves, ranging from free tickets for hunting moose or boar to money.
If I could hunt abroad, I'd go hunting in Germany, Belarus or Czechia.
Zero nostalgia or romanticism for this rifle because it was mainly an interwar arm that got replaced by the Garand, and it isn't very pretty, but it's the best bolt action ever made.
>aperture with protective wings with both battle and precise sighting modes, similar to the M16
>can hold 6+1, and an extra round over your opponent if he comes over the trench can only be good
>turn down bolt handle that is perfectly positioned at the trigger for rapid firing
>wiener on close which is frankly just a superior system for rapid shooting, given you have more strength pushing forward than pulling up
>bolt handle also falls in a nice notch that makes for a third lug, providing some back-up protection for your face in case of boom
>big long mauser-like claw extractors are unfailingly reliable
I think it should've had a 3 inches cut off the nose and a half inch on the stock to make it more handy in trenches, but otherwise it has no flaws.
>because it was mainly an interwar arm that got replaced by the Garand,
the .303 versions of the rifle got used by the bong home guard and something like 2/3rds or 3/4ths of all US troops who fought in WWI used an Enfield. Alvin York used one and b***hed about it constantly because it was heavy and he liked the sights on the 1903 better. 1917s were way more common than 1903s, but they all got surplused or sent to other countries as military aid after WWI because heavy and because morons preferred the overengineered target sights on the 1903 over the peep and ladder of the enfield
Mauser 98 and it's derivatives, or Arisaka if you feel like you need something more exotic.
There is none.
If you think there is you’re a childish consumerist, anyone with half a brain realizes there is no “greatest bolt-action rifle” any more than there is a “greatest car”.
Different rifles fill different niches. A 30k benchrest rifle rifle would be an awful hunting rifle, a hunting rifle would be an awful benchrest shooter and something that can do a little of both isn’t going to be the best at either.
There are some that are good compromises like the B14 but unless you’re specifying what it’s supposed to be greatest at it’s a stupid thread and so are the people posting in it.
>anyone with half a brain realizes there is no “greatest bolt-action rifle” any more than there is a “greatest car”.
F1 homosexual
That car would be shit at driving on non paved roads and for going innawoods.
Also shit at moving things, game etc
Being able to go fast and handle at that speed isn’t the only thing that makes a good car any more than being able to shoot as far as possible is what determines how good a rifle is
What is the best new & MODERN bolt action rifle to get? Like straight from, the factory, something that I could buy at gunshop or Cabelas, and not have to worry about whether it was made pre-19fricking60 or not?
New manufacture model 70.
What’s your budget anon? Because you could go with a Tikka T3X, a Winchester Model 70, a Ruger M77, or plenty of other good options that would all be defined by your budget
<$1500 ideally, not including scope
Probably a stainless Tikka
><$1500 ideally
Would probably suggest going with a Tikka T3X or Winchester Model 70, both reliable and accurate rifles out of the box with plenty of different variants to choose from. There are plenty of others that would fit that criteria too but those would be the first ones I’d recommend to a customer walking through the door
Krag, now thats a smooth action.
My guess is it's a tie between the pre-64 Winchester Model 70 and the K98 Mauser.
>pre-64 Winchester Model 70
Pre-64 is a fetish. Post-90s models got all the same construction features and even better quality.
Don't shame my fetish then.
Mas 36
t. Ian
why is that gun so blurry?
Dat ergonomic bolt handle
>What is the greatest bolt-action rifle ever created?
The M40. You will not believe it until you use one. Smooth action, impossible to destroy, and kinda pretty to be honest.
Howa 1500/Weather Vanguard are basically Mauser 98 unmolested.
>No controlled feed
It's as much of a Mauser as Rem700 or Los are
>Howa 1500/Weather Vanguard are basically Mauser 98 unmolested.
Anon I hate to break it to you, but you’re moronic.
M1903 Springfield