What is the best WWII weapon and why is it the MP40?

What is the best WWII weapon and why is it the MP40?

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  1. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    grease gun

  2. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    greasy mp40

  3. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Fat Man.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      That's not the StG-44

      >useless against a target with AA

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >That's not an FG-42

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Well they didn't have one

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Any weapon is "the best" against defenseless targets

          You have demonstrated that the AK receiver had a hinge in 1946 disregarding the fact that every other characteristic of the rifle is different barring long stroke piston operation

          >cartridge
          >stamped
          >charging handle on the left (image is mirrored)
          >sight configuration

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >cartridge
            7.62x39 =/= 7.92x33
            >stamped
            And?
            >charging handle on the left (image is mirrored)
            Ak charging handle is on the right. You have not even bothered to look at an AK.
            >sight configuration
            Same sights that are on the SKS. The leafs are interchangeable. Not with a STG44 though

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >implying you can't put it on a deuce and a half and yee yee your ass into Berlin
        I shiggy diggy

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >Leroy Jenkins
          >7.62x39 =/= 7.92x33
          7.62 Soviet was an immediate response to 7.62 Kurz (as was 5.45 to 5.56)
          >And?
          A stamped and hinged receiver blows the lid on the plagarism
          >Ak charging handle is on the right
          AK-46 (original AK) has it on the left
          >Same sights that are on the SKS
          But the pronounced magazine well sure isn't

          Revising history to divorce the StG-44 and AK is the effort of fanatics

  4. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Stg44 and counting prototypes, stg45
    >why
    Assault rifle.
    >why stg45
    G3's daddy.

  5. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    M1 garand takes the cake for best infantry rifle
    Mp40 wins in the SMG department with the grease gun a close second and the PPS43 a close third. Those three stamped smgs are all phenomenal in their own regard and are leagues above the others.
    Mg42 is the best GMPG by a considerable margin
    The Arisaka models are the best bolt actions only marginally beating the K98k in durabilty and being derived from the same system. Nothing else the Japs had was noteworthy

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      trips don't lie

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >shakira
        You just triggered some teenage memories

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >M1 garand takes the cake for best infantry rifle
      Why would you rate it over an assault rifle? Genuinely curious.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >Why would you rate it over an assault rifle? Genuinely curious.
        STG44 was a good idea with suboptimal execution and is why its design was not replicated. STG45 was ingenious and we have to thank it for it's enormous lineage of roller delayed blowback weapons. It was designed too late into the war to make any impact however. The m1 garand was great enough for the soviets to turn it upside down and invent the AK. In that sense I had chosen the best available "assault rifle" of the time.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >its design was not replicated
          UUUUUUH

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          The stg is the forebears of the g3 and FAL.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Part of the reason the StG44 was so good is it’s stamped construction for ease of manufacture. That lowers individual build quality even as it’s a very beneficial design element in the big picture.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >Why would you rate it over an assault rifle? Genuinely curious.
          STG44 was a good idea with suboptimal execution and is why its design was not replicated. STG45 was ingenious and we have to thank it for it's enormous lineage of roller delayed blowback weapons. It was designed too late into the war to make any impact however. The m1 garand was great enough for the soviets to turn it upside down and invent the AK. In that sense I had chosen the best available "assault rifle" of the time.

          I get your points, but in a practical sense I would still much rather be in a 10 man squad with 9 stg44s and an MG than in one with 9 garands.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            STGs were fairly rare weapons, only enough to equip about 1 or 2 in a squad with them at a time
            the shortage made more acute by the fact they tried to concentrate them into assault platoons armed solely with STGs and newer volksgrenadiers getting issued them first over regular heer divisions who would only get them when they went back for replenishment

            so while you would rather have a 10 STGs in a squad than 10 M1s
            you would also much rather have your entire infantry division uniformly armed with M1 garands than 9/10ths of your division armed with bolt actions and only 1/10th armed with STGs

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              They didn't have the production to give everyone assault rifles, but they did intend to.

              Volks got them because they were designated as stormtroopers to break the American line in the Ardennes attack, same reason they were allocated so many rocket launcher batteries. Follow on infantry were just there to hold the flanks so they didn't have priority for such weapons, and because the Americans were so close to the Ruhr (where these weapons were made) the Nazis sent the vast majority of their new-fangled weapons to the Western front and thus they were able to concentrate the limited number they had of them into a few units in the West rather than dispersing them in bits to every unit.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                They intended to, but...they didn't. A weapon you can churn out that is good enough is better than a weapon that is superlatively good, but takes longer and costs more to produce. Whole downfall of axis war economics in a nutshell. Garand wins.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                The stg44 was much faster, simpler, cheaper and easier to produce than the Garand. It was like 90% stamped.
                If you don't know what you're talking about shut the frick up you embarrassing moron. Stop pretending to be smart or knowledgable when you just repeat the same old youtube soundbytes when they aren't even appropriate.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                If you would have been talking about the paratrooper battlerifle you might have had a point. But now you just look like an idiot who doesn't know what he's talking about. The FG-42 was extremely good, but also complicated and expensive to make.
                The stg44 was paradigm shifting and cheap as frick to make. The stg45 would have taken that even a step further. Either way, half a million in such a short time were nothing to sneeze at.
                Did you just confuse the sturmgewehr with the FG-42?

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              You're a dumb fricktard.
              430k isn't that rare considering it was focused in a short timeframe and they didn't give them out piece-meal which was obviously the right choice.
              And the MG was the main weapon of German weapon squads which is why they built their tactics around it.
              Your entire post is moronic cope that has nothing to do with the topic or the post you responded to, you just tried to be smartass but ended up sounding like a israeliteBlack person mutt because you couldn't even accept the simple premise of the thread or the post you replied to.
              The StG44 was better, period.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Putting cool points over what actually happened just shows you don't know what you're talking about. Consider suicide.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >what's the best gun?
                >stg44
                >what wouldyou rather be in a squad with?
                >stg44s
                >but ACKchually it's not the best gun because of reasons unrelated to the gun!
                Seek help.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                > Logistics are unrelated to the weapon
                > Context doesn't important I just wanna play top trumps

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Doesn't matter how good a gun is, if it can't get to the troops that need it

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >stamped construction for ease of manufacture.
          there was something like 2-3 failed stamped receiver for every successful one produced. sure if given time they could have worked it out but the stg was not an easy manufacture.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      We have a Type 99 Arisaka Paratrooper take down in my family. It's one of the best bolt actions I've ever shot and I've shot nearly all of the WW2 bolt action rifles except for the SMLE.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Browning hi power for sidearm with 1911 taing second place. The luger was too complex to make the cut.
      The MG 34 and 45 (prototype) are also good GPMG canditates but the 42 took the crown, shame the 45 never got it's time to shine.
      M2 is pretty much uncontested as the king of HMG's but it doesn't have many rivals to speak of.
      I'd put the 1903 or k98 over the Arisaka purely because of the Japs introducin a new ammo type mid war making a mess of logistics.
      Oerlikon (counting that one Polish modification) and bofor 40mm take the cake for ground mount autocannons, MG 151/20 20mm and MK 108 30mm (loaded with minengeschoß) for air to air autocannons.

      Honorable mentions go to the Finish KP/31 and Beretta MAB 38 and sidearms for the Italians.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      PPSh-41 is best SMG for absolute, frick you raw firepower. It is a lead hose and the 71 rounds available to users in drum mags makes for a potent little hose. They are also cheap to make, with the Soviets literally manufacturing the barrels from old Mosin Nagants, since the PPSH-41 uses the 7.62 Tokarev, which is the same caliber as the 54R, in true Soviet fashion.

      https://www.recoilweb.com/ppsh-41-the-gun-that-saved-mother-russia-104261.html

      https://books.google.com/books?id=izGOfMdSm2IC&pg=PA141#v=onepage&q&f=false

      That said, the MP40 and Grease gun were controllable.

      MG42 takes cake as the squad machine gun. No contest.

      1911 for a pistol, maybe a Hi-Power, but 1911 for sheer volume and simplicity. It's a total contrast to the luger, which I imagine was more accurate, but the parts are so exact in the Luger that interchangeability is all but impossible in many instances.

      >Arisaka
      You are a silly man if you think the Arisaka was superior. The Japanese couldn't into small arms if their life depended on it.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >PPSh-41 is best SMG for absolute, frick you raw firepower.
        You have not fired that weapon. It is a terrible submachine gun. Magazines rarely work, when they do work they are rarely interchangeable between guns. Removing a magazine that gets stuck in the gun, as they often do, takes more strength than your effeminate imageboard-poster hands could muster.
        >You are a silly man if you think the Arisaka was superior.
        You have not fired that weapon. Now rope.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          To be fair, the average person in the US who fires one these days will be at a gun shop with full auto rentals. These types of places tend to only have a single gun of a given model and only a handful of mags - all of which have been thoroughly vetted on that gun from all of the rentals. As a result, you never experience peculiarities like this that you would in the real world.

          I've tried one with both a drum and stick mag. I know the stick mags are far more reliable, but I'd hate to use them in real combat. Id think it would be very hard to get used to how fast you can drain a mag from just a few quick bursts. Certainly it would be devastating if youre on target, but if youre not - thats an awful lot of missed rounds.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous
        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >only the type 100/40 and not the 44 model
          throw it in the trash

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >placing the 1911 above the Hi-Power
        >placing the PPSH-41 above the Grease Gun and MP40 because of it's moronic fire rate
        >Dismissing all Arisakas because of the last ditch models

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >71 rounds available to users in drum mags
        If the drums were so great why didn't Red soldiers carry more than one? Why'd they more commonly use stick mags instead?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      The MP40 isn't stamped, you moron.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >The MP40 isn't stamped, you moron.
        That is literally what distinguishes the mp40 as a separate weapon from the mp38.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        leave newbie

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >Nothing else the Japs had was noteworthy

      Type 96 and 99 were excellent LMGs quite comparable to the Bren, and the Type 89 "knee mortar" was a pretty damn neat weapon for which there was no real competitor to compare it to.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >Type 96 and 99 were excellent LMGs quite comparable to the Bren
        While the Bren, type 96/99, ZB26/30 and other top loading lmgs were fine support weapons they pale in comparison to the mg34 or mg42

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Knee mortar also btfo’d a couple moronic GIs hence the nick-name

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I think the Grease Gun should be at the top, simply because it managed to survive in service for decades and decades after the war

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I thought that the Beretta 38 was rather high quality SMG, such that I thought certain German groups utilized it when given the choice.
      Also, in regards to the stg44, while it was most certainly a good proof of concept, i thought that the round was rather poorly optimized such that it's actually capabilityies didn't really match it's recoil. Also the gun itself was rather heavy.

      I don't get why everyone keeps mentioning the Luger, it wasn't even the Germans standard pistol, that was the Walther p38

      Controversial opinion: for the vast majority of situations, if I had to pick one rifle/SMG/etc, I probably would have wanted an M2 carbine

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >PPS-43
      >good
      Spoken like someone who’s never shot one. That ROF is a pain in the ass to control. At least with the PPSh it’s high ROF makes it easy to control like a firehose

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        I have shot the pps43 and every other gun I mentioned. Absolutely nobody who isn't a manlet like yourself would say that the pps43 is hard to control

  6. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    M2.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >only right answer in the whole thread
      >is ignores
      Typical

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >M2.
      I'm going to go with the M2 Carbine as well.

  7. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >gotta hold the mag or else it will fall out/not feed properly
    mp40s were crap

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >gotta hold the mag or else it will fall out/not feed properly
      >mp40s were crap
      Your poor experience was likely due to having shot out a well worn mp40 made of 80+ year old parts. If you get the opposite to try a Belgian vigneron or a Portuguese FBP do it. That is how a solid MP40 will feel

  8. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    M1 Carbine. Even the Germans thought so.

  9. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    The Sturmgewehr is superior to the MP40 is every way.

  10. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >What is the best WWII weapon
    Some howitzer, of course.

    But which?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      PAW 600.
      It can do eeeeverything.

  11. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Toss up between M1 carbine and STG44

  12. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    DWM artillery luger with 8” barrel add stock and snail drum. Best all around weapon.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >pic rel

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >pic rel

      Well it's definitely the cutest gun of the worlds wars

  13. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Browning .50 was obviously the best. We still frickin use it

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      This, honorable mentions to the 91/30 and maybe the No.4 since they still see widespread use, as well as the 1911 & obviously the M1 garand & carbine since they were obvious force multipliers actually issued massively across the whole US force

  14. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    How much of an effect would the MP40 have had it been invented and fielded 30 years earlier?

  15. 2 years ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Invariable this. By extension the M2 Carbine as well.
      >Intermediate cartridge, almost the first assault rifle
      >Weighs almost half the M1 Garand and even the STG-44
      >Not meant to be used on the frontlines but it's just so handy and well-liked that it ends up being used plentifully, especially in the pacific
      >Gains a slightly poor reputation only because fuddlore and morons trying to push it past its effective range in Korea
      Only thing going against it is shitty magazines, but from what I have heard, GIs would just find whatever magazines worked and stuck with them. I am so in love with the M1 Carbine, it even weighs less than a modern M4. Such a cool gun especially for its time.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        the korean war issue with velocity was caused by the US using surplus ammo form the pacific with hot-weather stabilizers in the powder mix, which reacted negatively at freezing temperatures, turning full-power rounds into near-squibs

  16. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    The MP40 aren't that good. There's a real argument to be made for the STG44, though, considering its invention literally changed the meta for infantry weapons for just short of eighty years.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Stg 44 was a good idea. It was not a good design. If you are intended to give prestige based on the idea of an assault rifle then you could give that credit to JMB with the invention of the BAR. Getting an automatic rifle into the hands of every soldier has basically been the goal since firearms were first used for war.

      >its design was not replicated
      UUUUUUH

      You know nothing about firearms design or construction.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        You know nothing about AK design or construction

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          You have demonstrated that the AK receiver had a hinge in 1946 disregarding the fact that every other characteristic of the rifle is different barring long stroke piston operation

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >If you are intended to give prestige based on the idea of an assault rifle then you could give that credit to JMB with the invention of the BAR. Getting an automatic rifle into the hands of every soldier has basically been the goal since firearms were first used for war.
        The BAR is not an assault rifle, an assault rifle isn't just "an automatic rifle" its a select fire rifle that uses an intermediary cartridge.

  17. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Japanese had the best tank force in WW2 fast and light tanks capable of taking objectives

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      You're trying too hard to be a contrarian. Go away.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Frick you I'll stay

  18. 2 years ago
    Anonymous
  19. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Because you accidentally typed P instead of G and 0 instead of 2.

  20. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Out of the way small arm fricking shits

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Unironically developed using recovered alien technology.

  21. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Tie between stg44 and that wicked paratrooper battlerifle.

  22. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    That's not the beretta model 38.

  23. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    It was the StG-44, pic related

  24. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    88mm you turds

  25. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Hey bros, why is there such a long-ass distance between the trigger and the magazine well? What the frick happens in that space in between?

    A lot of WWII submachineguns are configured like that but idk why. No modern blow-back subgun has that, not even Hi-Point or Uzi or Kel-tech or Tec-9 or other inexpensive simple designs.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I don't know the actual term, but the vast majority of SMGs are open bolt, simple blowback operated with only the weight of the bolt and spring slowing it backwards movement. I believe after WW2 some Czech gun utilized a telescoping bolt, which I think effectively allow the bolt to collapse into itself, with the Uzi being the first mass produced one. This telescoping bolt allowed for the gun the be shorter in length overall

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Because as non-delayed open bolt weapons, increasing bolt travel time (meaning length) was the the only way to reduce the cyclic rate to manageable levels.

  26. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    The aircraft carrier.

  27. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >best WWII weapon
    the atom bomb and it's not even close.
    for small arms the german MGs and the FG42 were pretty neat

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      oh and also the ma deuce of course

  28. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Maybe not THE best but def the sexiest.

  29. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    The M1 Garand and you are a homosexual.

  30. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    The B-29 Superfortress

  31. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Thompson or mg38-42, the tommy had a beautiful weight to it that made it so effective.

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