What is the best destroyer class in the world? Are any of those fancy boutique euro destroyers any good or is the arleigh Burke class still the best
What is the best destroyer class in the world?
What is the best destroyer class in the world? Are any of those fancy boutique euro destroyers any good or is the arleigh Burke class still the best
Flight III burke is the best destroyer in the world overall, there might be some destroyers that have better capability in some specific aspect, but the Flight III burke is the best overall destroyer on the planet.
Sucks there is only 1 in service at the moment, but that should change soon enough.
ABs are still the current best and that probably won’t change anytime soon
Nope, Zumwalt is.
I always liked the burkes. The type 45s are pretty garbage, they can’t even attack land targets so it’s hard for me to even classify them as a destroyer
Despite the fact that they're starting to have more and more serious issues related to the difficulty of adding more upgrades to a nearly maxed out hull, the Flight III Burkes are still almost definitely the most combat effective ships in the world, especially once they get SEWIP block III. We'll see what happens with DDG(X), but I wouldn't be shocked to see a Flight IV Burke which focuses on upgrading the electrical systems and maybe incorporating a new type of more flexible VLS like G-VLS.
I can't see that happening, even if DDG(X) falls behind schedule we'll just pump out more Flight IIIs in the meantime.
There is no reality where a Flight IV happens, the development work would need to start a year or two ago for it to happen before DDG(X) is here.
Might not be a real "Flight IV" but more of a Flight III++ with some moderate upgrades which could potentially also be installed on older ships getting incorporated from the get go like MPPS for more juice.
Eh, if we get another Zumwalt-level fiasco I can see Iowa's escorts truck along for another 20 years of upgrades.
That seems highly unlikely given what we have seen since (Flight III and Constellation-class)
>Constellation
Didn't the first delivery get pushed back a few years due to some issues with survivability
workforce challenges and design "maturity" issues. AFAIK they added hundreds of tons of steel armor and additional reinforcement to the ship. It's possible there are some frick ups somewhere. We don't know enough yet.
The Americans don't have shipyards and people to build them.
I don't understand why you chinks say this when America has more aircraft carriers currently under construction than you even have planned
The best destroyer class in the world is the Maya class of the JMSDF.
Looks like a copy paste burke to me.
No fricking shit, thanks Captain Autismo, they totally aren't license manufactured or anything.
This post has been fact checked by real Japanese patriots.
>Best Multipurpose
Flight III Burkes
>Best Air-Defense
Between the Type 45 or the Flight III. A US Naval College review pointed out their effectiveness back in 2018.
>Type 45 or the Flight III
Flight III easily.
Better radar
Better combat management system
More VLS cells
More options to fill those VLS cells
Better ability to interface with other combatants within the same local area, and further afield.
Flight III can interface with satellites, ground based radars, other sea based radars, airborne platforms, etc to provide targeting information for extreme long range interceptors (SM-6 IA and SM-3 IIA)
Hit the nail on the head
>Better radar
Explain how the AEGIS is more applicable than the SAMPSON
>Better combat management systems
Name two sources
>More VLS cells
RN sends one missile against a target as opposed to the Burke 2 missile standard.
>More options to fill those VLS cells
has nothing to do with air defense
>Better ability to interface with other combatants within the same local area, and further afield.
And HMS Diamond has proven she can take out ballistic missiles using Aster. Not even the Block II of Aster.
Cope lmao
>Cope lmao
https://digital-commons.usnwc.edu/nwc-review/vol66/iss3/8/
>2 sources please
>no I don’t have any sources of my own
lmao you are bothered.
>Explain how the AEGIS is more applicable than the SAMPSON
Well first off, SAMPSON is a radar, AEGIS is software.
AN/SPY-6(V)1 is supposedly 100 times more sensitive with ~3x the range than the AN/SPY-1D, and the SPY-1D is supposed to be able to see a baseball sized object at around 250km, compared to the SAMPSON radar which can see a baseball sized object at over 400km. So the AN/SPY-6(V)1 should be capable of seeing a baseball sized object at around 700km.
> Name two sources
Why would I need to? Can you name a source that says the Type 45 combat management system is better than the decades of experience and incremental upgrades AEGIS has gone through? Aegis Baseline 10 is by far the most advanced AAW software in the world to claim otherwise is ignorance.
>RN sends one missile against a target as opposed to the Burke 2 missile standard.
How is that a good thing, it just reinforces the fact it's not as good at AAW. If you can't afford to send a 2nd interceptor then you're just crossing your fingers that the 95% PK is in your favor for that interceptor. The US prefers to send 2 and have a 99.999% PK instead. If you think it's an advantage that you have fewer missiles and HAVE to conserve them, by all means, keep that cope up.
> has nothing to do with air defense
Sure it does, the US can pick and choose the best interceptor for the target in question, if they need to shoot down a satellite in orbit, SM-3. If they need to intercept a sea skimmer hundreds of miles away being fed targeting information from airborne assets? SM-6/SM-3. They've got an incoming sea skimmer only a few dozen km away? SM-2/ESSM.
> And HMS Diamond has proven she can take out ballistic missiles using Aster. Not even the Block II of Aster.
Burkes have intercepted satellites and simulated ICBMs, as well as MRBMs in real world scenarios. To try and one up the burke's AAW track record with the Type-45 is just fricking moronic.
God I love a good effort post. Nice work anon
>no sources
Lol, lmao.
You started the trend of not sourcing, I figured i'd continue it.
Not to mention, I don't need to source what is a commonly accepted fact, if you want to claim the burke ISN'T the best AAW destroyer on the planet, feel free to provide some sources to prove me wrong.
No mate, that was my first post.
And your claim is not a commonly accepted fact, either cite some sources or your argument will remain Zig-tier.
Who the frick claims ANOTHER destroyer besides the burke is the best anti-air destroyer?
Unless it's some literal who zigger/chink on youtube, I don't think any serious source would claim that
No sources, damn.
I can see that you three have a high melanin count.
Not only am I whiter than you, I'm also a UK citizen and I'm still fully aware the Flight III burke mogs the Type 45 in basically every way.
>whiter
Doubt.
Still no source too.
Doubt it if you want, i'm tired of arguing with a moron that can't be bothered to source anything, OR refute with technical data/facts that can be sourced with a google search. You literally couldn't even be bothered to do the bare minimum.
Ok I accept your concession.
Don't worry, the whole thread accepted yours about 10 posts back.
>the same schizo
>again
>I'm schizo because you disagree with me
Wewlad
NTA and you're a schizo for what you're doing.
He’s a schizo for not automatically siding with his fellow bong? That’s moronic
>He’s a schizo for not automatically siding with his fellow bong?
>He's
Your a schizo for stealing imagines and pretending to be other people. Also, citing nationality as a means of winning a technical argument is a logical fallacy, so you're an idiot to boot.
That's a fake British passport. It's the wrong colour and the cover is the wrong texture.
Source? I don’t think it’s fake
Post the inside page
>His Britannic Majesty.
This is a fresh one.
Yeah, I got it in early 2024.
Nice.
This dude got wrecked. He couldn’t believe a fellow bong would step out of line
Post guns
you first
Your turn
>no time stamp
Still can’t post guns
NTA
As the only confirmed gun owner in thread. You have the floor anon. speak.
I like the sm-6
Yes they are very common here. I have a mango tree as well
lmao, I'm not the anon you initially asked to post guns. I merely saw an opportunity make you bend to my will and you obliged. Kek.
You’re absolutely that anon and you weren’t able to post guns. LOL
Nah, a random person on the internet got you to do their bidding.
>pls believe my shit edit
>pls ignore the fact that I don’t have guns
LOL
Cope however you must, slave.
>nogunz
Timezone
You think posting a picture of a timezone means the same thing as posting a gun on /k/? newbie
Had I been played as easily as you, I too would be absolutely seething.
>you own guns
>i win
You could have just said you don’t own guns
I…is that a pineapple? Do people just have pineapple plants
I really like what you did here. First you demonstrated that you own guns and are therefore superior to the other anon who couldn’t post guns, and secondly you’ve demonstrated that you live in a desirable climate.
The red color got changed a few years ago.
If you still have an old one (which a lot of people do) they're still valid, but the blue one has been out for awhile.
https://www.ukabroad.net/new-british-passport-blog/
>mate
Look, he's wrong about the Flight III Burke being the best destroyer as that is the Japanese Maya class but you could make your bongaloid nationalism less obvious.
>And your claim is not a commonly accepted fact
Type 45 was the most modern when it first entered service, but Flight IIA Technology Insertion is generally agreed to be on par with or better, and Flight III is across the board agreed to be better than the Type 45.
Analysis like this is why I keep coming back to this shitpit
The launch policy for PAAMS is to launch 1 long range Aster 30 and if it misses to launch a short range Aster 15 (designed with a minimal engagement distance of <2km). Aster 30 rarely misses so it mostly end up being only one missile per shot.
The Aster has an incredibly capable terminal guidance system (PIF-PAF) but really lacks range and altitude.
Well said
>It came to me in a dream
>need to intercept a sea skimmer hundreds of miles away being fed targeting information from airborne assets? SM-6/SM-3
>SM-3
>sea skimmer
Otherwise a 100% post.
You already got shit on here
but a few other reasons SPY-6 has advantages over SAMPSON
>SAMPSON is a rotating radar
there's nothing wrong with rotating radars to be fair but there's additional points of failure due to this from a basic maintenance prospective, granted this shouldn't be a problem but shit happens. A staring array will provide a more consistent track, and staring arrays are less prone to battle damage. A damaged rotating radar has the potential to be completely ineffective depending on what happened, multiple faces are harder to completely disable. That said SAMPSON is much lighter and mounted higher so the radar horizon is slightly better and it likely is more cost effective.
>SPY-6 can form bistatic arrangements
https://navyrecognition.com/index.php/naval-news/naval-news-archive/2023/august/13499-caes-wins-contract-200-million-contract-to-provide-an-spy-6-radar-to-navy.html
I'll also be fair and say we can't say SAMPSON isn't capable of this either, but a known known is better than a known unknown.
>muh modularity
the RMA's on SPY are great and scalable and extremely easy to replace. This should make upgrades and maintenance easier. They can literally lego build new arrays.
I can't really speak to the exact capabilities since they're obviously classified however I'm fairly certain SAMPSON was in service prior to the SPY-6 and is a variant of older radars IIRC.
Look, the Type 45s are smaller, cheaper ships with fewer VLS cells and a smaller power budget for their radar. It displaces over 1000 tons less than a Flight III Burke.
Unironically the FltIII Burkes. The Euro DDGs are smaller and carry fewer missiles and in the case of the British Type 45s, they only carry SAMs.
The Korean and Japanese Burke derivatives are larger with deeper magazines but they are not as mature and their system integration isn't as great.
Russian warships are a joke. And the Chinese ones are completely unproven. Aegis is the most capable IADS in the world. Even Wild Weasel pilots are scared of it. The radars in the new SPY-6 are powerful enough to count as directed energy weapons in their own right.
Wow. The fight in this thread seems awfully familiar.
Probably a class that actully has proper aviation facilities.
Over half the class has hangar+facilities for two MH-60s you stupid brownoid.
Mh-60 is junk and half the class having a hanger isn't a plus point lol
Cope
Decisive WT victory
>Decisive WT victory
You fooled no one here or elsewhere.
You should calm down lad. You're getting all excited. You'll get banned too early in the night.
Bong mod is kill. Lmao sucks for you
If your life has reached the point where you're having to wage wars against the 4chinz moderation staff, you need to take a long hard look in the mirror.
Oof! You didn't need to kill him anon!
Zumwalt. Flight III Burke is just a budget Zumwalt, except it costs 3/4 of what a Zumwalt does so it's not really very budget.
none. they're all just targets for iranian missiles. death to america
>"And all was quiet once again. It would be days before Warriortard would post another badly spelled "arleigh Burke class" thread, but you'd better believe he'd bait someone into interacting with him for more than 5 minutes...."
Sejong the Great class is the best destroyer in the world
Even the US Navy plans to buys upcoming versions of the STG class destroyers
Sejong the great uses a bunch of K-VLS cells which aren't equivalent to Mk41 VLS cells the US uses.
Some of the VLS cells on Sejong the great are Mk41, but it's split.
Also they use an outdated Aegis version (the first 3 boats of the class use Aegis Baseline 7, the next 3 will use Aegis Baseline 9).
They're clearly not better than Flight III burkes which have newer radars, newer Aegis software, and newer missiles.
The only thing Sejong the great class has is technically more VLS cells at 128 total, but only 80 of them are Mk41 cells vs the Flight III burkes with 96 Mk41 cells. So even when it comes to magazine depth, the Burkes have more space for proven American missiles, whereas Sejong the great class has to rely on 48 Korean made missiles which aren't as proven, and likely aren't as advanced or integrated with Aegis.
US Navy just signed a deal to buy ROK ships, all of the credible US unmanned vessel companies have agreements with their ROK counterparts...it even looks like Australia is going all in on ROK ships too based on the Aussie defense secretary publicly supporting the Hanwha purchase of Austal, Aussies largest shipbuilder
I will take the actions by the US and Aussie naval leadership over some weeb shitposting on an incel edgelord board
>US Navy just signed a deal to buy ROK ships
Want to post a source?
All I see is last month the U.S. Navy Secretary visited both South Korea and Japan to tour shipyards and talk up future deeper cooperation with both nations in shipbuilding.
That is not the same as signing a deal to buy ROK ships, which is NOT what is happening.
> k-vls vs mk41 vls
The mk41 was developed in 1986
The k vls in 2003
There are many differences but among the most significant is that the k vls cells are MUCH larger than the mk 41 cells, its among the reasons why the k vls was developed in the first place
KDX3batch1 has 128 vls cells: 80 mk41 + 48 kvls
KDX3batch 2 has 88 vls cells: 64 mk41 + 24 vklsII
In terms of vls cell size: kvlsII > kvls > mk41
>its among the reasons why the k vls was developed in the first place
Yes because Korean missiles have shit performance and need to be massive. That's literally it.
> can't back up claims with anything substantive so resort to baboon feces throwing tactic
Its comical how mind broken nips and weebs
you're literally arguing with an american about American ships and missiles being better than south Korean ones, and you call me a nip weeb?
Who is the mindbroken one here?
Lol confirmed as mind broken
I got no dog in the fight but you are clearly a dinosaur that has no clue what is going on with the us navy or so low in the totem pole that the only "real" intel you get is from the internet
US Navy is going all in with ROK ships particularly on the next gen unmanned developments, if you really are from the US you should appreciate this because the chinks and vatniks are seething batshit crazy over it
>I got no dog in the fight
Then where the frick did you get Weeb/Nip as an insult from? We were discussing US and Korean ships.
I'm just struggling to understand where the frick that came from.
You've found the resident asiaticshill, his regular arguments revolve around japan and so his go-to insult is calling someone a nip/weeb/troony.
you're talking to the board's resident Korea shill
any time anyone calls him out he starts screeching about Japan per his VANK script
Again no dog in the fight other than supporting anything to frick up chinks and vatniks
But the nipshill weeb on this board with its ridiculous samurai vs shaniqua bodybuilders posts supports the rationale for nuking the nips and as a result I relish in the seeth that I cause the nipshill weeb pointing out how South Korea is buying US aerospace defense companies whereas the US won't even let japan buy a shitty steel company, etc etc etc
When the nipshill weeb found out that the US only has a free trade agreement with South Korea, Australia, Canada and Israel and specifically excludes japan and china I could smell the gaping axe wound splitting from the seethe
>Again no dog in the fight
>proceeds to vomit asiaticshill talking points exclusively
neat
Lol confirmed mind broken nipshill weeb (troony), never change nipshill weeb troony, never change bullying you bring lots of lulz
whats the point in insiting you're TOTALLY not the asiaticshill, while posting asiaticshill talking points, and then 1 post later admitting to being the asiaticshill?
Like what are you getting out of this? If your goal is to make me think south koreans are morons mission accomplished i suppose.
if he shits up the thread enough and no one is left then he wins
he does this for up to 18 hours a day
Most /k anons know who you are the nip hapa mamasan troony and the weeb troony wristlet/chinlet neckbeard
You don't get it, nobody gives af what you 24/7/365 nipshill weeb trannies.. irl ROK keeps winning while you homosexuals take turns sucking each other off fighting on who gets to be the girl this time and yes the goal is to make you seethe as the good guys (US, ROK, UK, AUS, ISR, NATO) don't want no part of you on their side
>nip hapa
this is one of your identities though isn't it? The half-jap rape victim who was pimped out, I think it was
it's a bit more creative than your Marine vet identity or the college football hedge fund millionaire
>half-jap rape victim who was pimped out
Que?
That's one of his assumed personas on here. He claims he hates Japan because when he lived there his Japanese family pimped him out.
Interesting how homosexualy his personas are
There's always an element of homosexuality around them
don't forget the spam of pictures of half naked asiatic bodybuilders pretending to be soldiers
These homosexuals are still buck broken from the bullying they got from posting the samurai vs black female bodybuilders when there were something like 1000+ post in support of the shaniquas with these two on suicide watch
Nipshill weeb troony who wins 1v1 in a cage fight, michelle obama or kishida? lmfao
> thread about best destroyers
> nipshill weeb invariably brings up vank and other made up irrelevant to the topic at hand fakenews
This is when we all know the nipshill weeb troony has been mind broken par excellance lmfao
sure thing buddy
>Mk41
Doesn't cause a bunch of structural deck fractures
>KVLS
Does cause a bunch of structural deck fractures
>There are many differences but among the most significant is that the k vls cells are MUCH larger than the mk 41 cells, its among the reasons why the k vls was developed in the first place
Thats only the KVLS-II which hasn't even been built yet. KVLS-I is actually smaller than strike length Mk41. The current debate is around SM-3 acquisition and how they don't fit in KVLS and can only be used in Mk41, so Korea wants to buy more SM-6s instead.
If the benchmark is acquisition by USN, the Aquitaine class is superior, no?
Unironically Zumwalt Flight IV.
Verification not required.
no
Yes
the older jap aegis destroyers are essentially super burkes, while the newest classes are a bigger newer versions which are ready for future upgrades
Yes
This might be the most cancerous thread I've seen in a while.
Yes it’s the AB
Sm-2, Sm-6, and SM-6 are just superior missiles. There is no getting around that
I was an adamant beliver that US interceptor tech was trash until I read about those missiles.
Whatever the chinks make because they can build 20 of them in the time it takes anyone else to build 1 of whatever they make.
obviously
Burke. Without peer at ramming stationary cargo vessels and harming crew when Queen Sheniqua and Queen Latrina are throwing down on dey captain chair and yanki' dey braids.
Burkes are a solid platform, but have been surpassed by those boutique Euro frigates/destroyers in most significant areas since the mid 2000s, nowadays they only have VLS count over them. In the end Burkes are a 70s design with 80s automation, needing a much larger complement to function, most run an ageing sensor package (SPY-6 is only closing the gap to Euro AESA), no multifuction sensor package and no ASuW capability since flight II. Dedicated anti submarine ships also outperform Burkes in the ASW role.
Successors to both the Burkes, Ticos and OHP frigates should have been developed/built in the 2000s, but the US navy got stuck with Zumwalt and LCS.
>SPY-6 is only closing the gap to Euro AESA
Fricking what?
By all metrics SPY-6 blows any existing euro AESA out of the water.
Like everything europe produces, it outperforms the US also see
SPY-1D was on par with or slightly worse then Euro AESAs, SPY-6 is 100x more sensitive and has 3x the detection range which on paper puts it hands and feet over any other naval radar in the world that we know of.
The fact that the EASR only requires 9 RMA's to equal the performance of the SPY-1D (while also being less power hungry and more efficient because GAN AESA) and the array slated to go on the Flight III burkes is 37 RMAs is pretty insane. The upgrade from PESA alone is pretty big but the raw power these systems put out is huge. The older IIA burkes can get a slightly smaller 27 RMA version that is still massively more powerful than the SPY-1D.
Yup, SPY-6 is unironically the biggest upgrade to our navy in decades.
Legit one of the dumbest posts I've read on this terrible thread
I like how type 45 guy got BTFO so bad he had to leave the thread.
Because it was proven without any doubt that the best destroyer is in fact the Maya class.
Nah, it's running old software and old radar hardware.
They're not bad, but they can't compare to a Flight III
It’s the Burke
I don't know about best, but the DDG-51 series is the gold standard you need to match or exceed to be considered good.
Explain why this isn't the best destroyer without using the word chink or implessive.
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