>Firing range matched by any semi-modern ATGM
>Huge, easy to hit target on top
>Requires a special reloading vehicle (another easy target)
>Huge risk for any infantry or light armored vehicle
What is even the point of it? Seems like an easy target in a modern battlefield.
makes for good tiktoks
Makes big explosion that looks cool
looked good on paper and the explosions are cool (either way)
When you have to shoot the big boss monster 24 times, duh.
Flattening fortifications and heavily entrenched troops like at Piskey where it was used to good effect.
You wouldn't bring it forward if you were worried enemy fire.
what happens if the heavily entrenched troops in question also brought a Kornet or TOW 2B
Those are line of sight weapons. You wouldn't put this or any artillery system in line of sight of those weapons.
If you still had IFVs running around then it's too early for the heavy seige guns anyway.
If your artillery only has line of sight range than it's pretty shit artillery than. Only good if we've suppressed infantry with real artillery and are basically on top of them seems like dogshit
A single tos salvo is more destructive to entrenched infantry than days worth of artillery shelling. It's a trade-off and the risk is high, but so is reward.
Imagine e.g. Fallujah but the invading force is Russians, that's where they would use this.
You mean like Allepo where the Russians fought and didn't use this? Idiot.
What is Allepo?
I only know of Aleppo
Mostly killing entrenched infantry.
You move it through terrain to not be shot at by LOS ATGM.
Do Kornets or TOWs see through trees and hills?
>to good effect
6 months to capture a destroyed town is not a good effect
Yeah you don't need seige guns for soft targets wanker.
>like at Piskey where it was used to good effect
lolwut
It worked exactly as advertized at Piskey. The Russians supressed the very well entrenched yukes enough that the TOS-1 could be brought forward, it was, they fired it, it cleared out the defenders in a single blow, the russians took the pile of rubble.
They call it the 10-minute-walk-in. You fire it then ten minutes later you walk in.
But it took 6 months to take a small town?
So this is the weapon that broke the Pisky superfortress?
because russian loves zerg rushing dumbfire missiles onto everything
>I never played starcraft, but this seems like an intelligent meme
It isn't.
It can move along with other tanks (at a good safety distance) and level a city block on command before being sent off for reloading. Dumb stop-gap measure developed on experiences from Chechenya.
Supposedly, they are extremely unpopular with the troops because of the massive detonation hazard when under fire
Literally a terror weapon. Useful for saturating some fortified infantry and burning down city blocks and hospital complexes.
>Literally a terror weapon
What a stupid thing to say. Nothing survives thermobarics, so there's nothing to be terrorized. In fact there is no defeninition of terrorism, even the moron leftist ones, that fits the TOS-1.
>destroying civilian buildings, schools and hospitals is not terror because they don't survive
The Russian mind is amazing
civilian buildings, schools and hospitals is not terror
Correct.
The current definition of terror is a non-state actor targeting civilians for political ends. ie. 9/11.
The original definition of terror is bombing civilian populations to force surrender in war. ie. The bombings of hiroshima and nagasaki.
This is perfectly useless for either of those things because of it's short range. It needs to be supported by a large contingent of ground forces which means it's an active battlefield and only military use.
There it is not a weapon, and not everything is a fricking warcrime, sometimes it's just war, you dumb hysterical fricking idiots. If you knew anything about war this would be obvious to you, but you don't, you just spread your inane opinions on social media like a pack of nagging c**ts and lower the general intelligence of the human race.
Why are you confusing terror weapon with a legal definition of terrorism?
>Why aren't you letting me make shit up because I hate Russians
Because you're a fricking cancer of the human race.
>it's not terror because i invented a different meaning for terror
This is your mind on vatnik nonsense. I hope the Ukies massacre every last one of you.
I didn't invent shit.
Winston Churchill invented the definition of terror.
And the FBI redefined it after 9/11
>This is perfectly useless for either of those things because of it's short range.
Except if the enemy consists only infantry with small arms, which was the expectation when developing this weapon based on experience from Chechnya. Also, Russians will regularly terrorize the population of cities and villages that have no enemy combatants. So go frick yourself you Russky Black person.
>Except if the enemy consists only infantry with small arms
No. Not in that case either. If you pick up a gun you're a legitimate target, winning is not a warcrime you fricking idiot.
>Russians will regularly terrorize the population of cities and villages that have no enemy combatants
No they fricking don't you fricking idiot. You're making shit up because you're leftist circlejerk never calls you on your bullshit as long as it's consistent with their bullshit. I wish you all just fricking have a nice day to stop climate change already.
>No they fricking don't you fricking idiot.
lol, lmao
>I'm a frickin dumb frick with nothing to actually contibute to the board.
GO BACK TO TWITTER
CHANGE YOUR FRICKING PROFILE PIC TO THE YUKE FLAG
AND THE LEAVE THE DISCUSSION OF WEAPONS AND TACTICS TO THE PEOPLE WHO KNOW WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT.
But you don't know what you're talking about. You compared the laser guided thermobarics bombs and hellfire missiles used by the US to inaccurate short ranged rocket artillery
>laser guided thermobarics bombs
The MOAB isn't laser guided you fricking idiot. Neither is the Hellfire which also isn't Thermobaric. There's no point putting precision guidance on thermobaric warheads, or ANY seige equipment for that matter. The point is to flatten the area.
rattled? Rustled? No fricking furious that once again society has to slow down to your pace while you desperately try to never learn anything at all.
Your weapononized stupidity acting like your dumb frick objectively idiot fricking garbage deserves equal fricking attention to intelligent analysis just because people who are just a dumb as you pat you on the back for being just as dumb as them.
I cannot WAIT until the war kicks off against China and you dumb fricks all get drafted, coz I sure shit am not going. Then you'll get a proper education on the realities of war while you cry about "muh warcrimes" huddled in a trench filled with your own shit.
You talk like a gay and you're shit's all moronic.
>The MOAB isn't laser guided you fricking idiot.
It's GPS guided, a technology that is foreign to your "people".
>Neither is the Hellfire
Wrong.
>also isn't Thermobaric
Also wrong. What is the MAC hellfire warhead, you idiot?
That's a lot of being wrong, for someone who rages about other people not knowing weapons you sure do seem a little "special", like your military operation.
>I cannot WAIT until the war kicks off against China and you dumb fricks all get drafted, coz I sure shit am not going
Your kind will be mostly dead by then, collecting what little supplies are left around the toilet cities of mosscow and pidersburg.
>you sure do seem a little "special", like your military operation
kek btfo
You don't know about the BLU-118 or the AGM-114N and you act like you know anything about weapons. You're a fricking moron.
The MOAB is GPS guided, you fricking communist.
Ah, a tourist AND an ESL. Frick off
guided thermobarics bombs
>The MOAB
The MOAB ain't even a thermobaric bomb, so why are you even bringing it up?
>the Vatnik cries out as he strikes you
Got a bit rattled didn't we Sergei? What's the matter? Do we see through your obvious dindu nuffin Russky propaganda? You can cry all the way back to Telegram and wait for your draft order, homosexual.
Did your jimmies get rustled, vova? If the russians in Ukraine are all manchildren like you then it's not surprising that they're routing. Did your husband mail you a laundry machine yet?
jew
>The current definition of terror is a non-state actor targeting civilians for political ends. ie. 9/11.
>The original definition of terror is bombing civilian populations to force surrender in war. ie. The bombings of hiroshima and nagasaki.
According to whom? Your made-up bullshit?
Here are legit definitions
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/terror
>According to whom? Your made-up bullshit?
See:
>It's GPS guided
So you were wrong. Because you don't what you're talking about
>The hellfire is laser guided
The Hellfire is famously an aspect seeking "fire and forget" weapon, laser guided bombs require the laser to maintain line of sight to the target until impact, therefore not "fire and forget."
So you're doubling down on being wrong.
>Everyone who thinks I'm stupid is Russian
That's a lot of Russians.
>The MOAB is not laser guided
AS I SAID.
>Winston Churchill invented the definition of terror
Ah yes, he invented the definition of a word that has been widely used in English since the15th century.
Shut the frick up, moron.
>Ah yes, he invented the definition of a word that has been widely used in English since the15th century.
Are you fricking serious right now? You think "terror attacks" were part of the vernacular of middle english?
Winston Churchill coined it specifically in reference to his plan to bomb the residential areas of Cologne in 1940 as the factories had all been hardened to resist bombing. That is the first use of the term in this context. Learn history.
Why would it be tho? That's a waste of a guidance kit. The POINT to thermobaric weapons is massive destruction.
the BLU-118 can be laser guided you moron
>So you were wrong. Because you don't what you're talking about
Wrong about what? You're the one who made the connection between MOAB and laser guidance. Nobody was talking about it before you.
>The Hellfire is famously an aspect seeking "fire and forget" weapon
No you fricking idiot, you're talking about a specific variant that uses radar guidance. The laser-guided variants need laser designation. Dumbass.
>Most variants are laser-guided, laser guidance can be provided either from the launcher, such as the nose-mounted opto-electronics of the AH-64 Apache attack helicopter, other airborne target designators or from ground-based observers, the latter two options allowing the launcher to break line of sight with the target and seek cover.
God, you're so moronic, no wonder you vatniks are getting your shit pushed in.
>You're the one who made the connection between MOAB and laser guidance
Because we are talking about SEIGE weaponry, and that's how America solves the problem the Russians solve with the TOS-1.
Big booms.
>you're talking about a specific variant that uses radar guidance
No. I'm not. You fricking moron. It's an ASPECT SEEKING missile, which means it's got a camera in the front that knows what a tank looks like.
It has a laser guidance mode, but that's now what it's famous for.
>Every target is a civilian target because I say so okay
You're a fricking idiot.
>hellfire
>aspect seeking
you're a fricking moron, a mongoloid among genetic dead ends, a fricking disgrace to the concept of evolution and a strong case for post-natal euthanasia
Here's the kicker, the Longbow variant is 15 years out of production while the laser-guided variants (K, N, R) are still being made
>Because we are talking about SEIGE weaponry, and that's how America solves the problem the Russians solve with the TOS-1.
So you bring the MOAB into the discussion after laser-guided weapons were mentioned, and then say everyone else is wrong because MOAB is not laser guided? Do you realize how utterly moronic this is?
>It's an ASPECT SEEKING missile, which means it's got a camera in the front that knows what a tank looks like.
>It has a laser guidance mode, but that's now what it's famous for.
lol, that's just wrong. Other than the Longbow radar variant that I already mentioned, Hellfire missiles are not "fire and forget" and are DEFINITELY not "aspect seeking with a camera". You're welcome to provide evidence of the contrary.
But please, continue to embarrass yourself, "military expert".
That homie played Cod and thought the predator missile is what Hellfire does.
>he original definition of terror is bombing civilian populations to force surrender in war. ie. The bombings of hiroshima and nagasaki.
Try breathing in deeper on a regular basis. You need all the oxygen you can get.
>The original definition of terror is bombing civilian populations to force surrender in war. ie. The bombings of hiroshima and nagasaki.
as opposed to the TOS-1, who just bombs things for funsies. You literally just made your own argument against your inane semantics bullshit in your own comment moron
>Useful for saturating some fortified infantry and burning down city blocks and hospital complexes.
Those are noble goals.
I don't get why its so heavily armored, why not just mount it on a truck?
It doesn't look heavily armoured to me, and a truck wouldn't be able to carry that weight.
It's basically just a rocket pod bolted on top top of a turretless T-72 MBT so it is quite heavily armored for artillery.
Practical reason, it needs to get very close to the front line because the original rocket range was less than 3km, now it is up to 10 I believe.
Probably reason, Russian industry can't produce shit and they had a bunch of T-72's from the Soviet Union sitting in storage.
Everything about the Russian arms industry seems to come down refurbing shit from their pre-90's stockpile.
>Probably reason
Actual reason: big warhead plus small missile equals not a lot of space for fuel for the rocket motor.
What does that have to do with choosing a tank hull to carry them?
>What does that have to do with this completely different thing?
Nothing.
They do however need a tracked vehicle to carry that weight and a T-72 chassis is a tracked vehicle.
>>What does that have to do with this completely different thing?
It's not different. The og post
was about why it using a T-72 hull and why. Saying it was either because they wanted armored because of the short range rocket or because they had a lot of hulls. The reply was:
>Actual reason: big warhead plus small missile equals not a lot of space for fuel for the rocket motor.
That's a bit of a confusing reply to why it uses a tank hull.
>was about why it using a T-72 hull and why.
Didn't need that extra "and why" there...
>Practical reason, it needs to get very close to the front line because the original rocket range was less than 3km, now it is up to 10 I believe.
>Probably reason, Russian industry can't produce shit
ACTUAL REASON: Small missle + big warhead = short range.
They had a lot of T-72 hulls.
That's the sole reason.
The vehicle itself is extremely volatile when loaded and should never be within LoS of an enemy, even one armed with a handgun.
>even one armed with a handgun.
That's a bit of an exaggeration, but the general principle is correct. It's not a front line unit.
I think it's basically a siege weapon designed to crush fortified positions with 24 heavy rockets packing thermobaric warheads.
It's not really a battlefield weapon nor a practical artillery system. That is best left to other weapons.
Basically a very niche use device.
Good for destroying civilian villages that cannot defend themselves.
Suck ass if enemy army has mortars, artillery, ATGM, aviation, missiles.
Such a stupid thing to say. I don't even know where to start.
You know America and the UK use Thermobaric weapons too?
>What is a leppo?
Thanks Gary Johnson.
>You know America and the UK use Thermobaric weapons too?
>Whatabolism
God, I hate vatBlack folk so much.
>Whataboutism
Is not a logical fallacy it's you admitting I'm right and that you're a silly dumb hypocrite
>It's okay when we do
Go frick yourself.
>You know America and the UK use Thermobaric weapons too?
do they load them into anemic dumbfire rockets and strap a whole boatload of them on an obsolete tank chassis?
The US drops ours from an airplane, which makes sense when examined with US air dominance. Russia’s use seems moronic in comparison since a 2km ultra-vulnerable mlrs *is* moronic.
spamming rockets
Kill civilians in a horrible way.
That's the intent of every russian weapon system.
>What is even the point of it?
Levelling Grozny and similar targets
Great for killing civilians who dont shoot back.
Do we have footage of a fully loaded one going kaboom?
Yeah there's a video from Syria. Try googling it.
how many of them still exist? 40?
the idea is that it can ride along a tank army and lay waste on any large military formation it comes across. the cold war vision of huge tank armies engaging in an open field battle.
destructing kokhols
Destroyed Vatniks
>that jumpcut
Michael Bay wishes he was as good at jump cuts as the rubwabwe propagandists
Why do they have such low range, from what I've heard? Can't they just put more propellant into the rocket?
Like a lot of Russian hardware introduced in the wake of Afghanistan it's specialised in obliterating low-tech fortified positions.
Why risk your armored vehicles and infantry trying to assault that village or valley if you can obltierate it instead?
Sure, the slow speed, low accuracy and low range make it useless against a real army, but what are the chances of having to fight one?
Why does it looks like TF2 Sentry + MvM Tank?
there's no point in hitting what you want. shitting bombs everywhere and missing the target is how a real military fights
Shame that vatnik shat up the TOS-1 with his moronic ideas.
Ah a LRMs, can I get a Marauder soon?
the thermobaric moron got real quiet after being outed as a mongoloid
>requires a special reloading vehicle
Are russians too stupid to build something like M270 or M142? Why do all of their MLRS systems use a special reload vehicle or are loaded by hand for fricks sake?
The late USSR spent 50%+ GDP on military needs. So design bureaus became desirable places for children of the nomenklatura. That's why they had 3 similar tanks t-64, t-72, and t-80, rocket artillery in various calibers, and small-scale production of wunderwaffe as TOS.
>So design bureaus became desirable places for children of the nomenklatura
Nah. Engineering is for nerds. Jocks little heads hurt from all them mathematics, engineering drawings and notorious strength of materials.
Soviet nomenclatura jocks head their own colleges and career paths that doesn't require learning engineering or learning in general.
See as example
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitry_Rogozin
>Ustinov
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1K17_Szhatie
Also, Rogozin's son destroyed the project of a military transporter
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilyushin_Il-112
It has exactly 1 use.
make huge explosions in propaganda videos to strike fear into civillians.
the only battlefield it has any use left on is 3rd world tier shiet like ukraine and syria.
>What is even the point of it?
flashy videos
Russia judges how useful a weapons system is by the amount of ordnance it can drop on civilians and in that regard TOS is a really good ground vehicle
If you do not reply sleep tight Saddami your compound will be raided in your sleep tonight
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Sleep tight Saddami
It is an easy target, but it's also the only weapon on the battlefield that can reliably destroy entrenched infantry
Terror weapon.
No, it's a specialized siege weapon
Oh, it's special alright. Very much so.
It's basically just meant to level buildings in a besieged city that you can't easily take. Of course the only thing it offers over carpet bombing with an actual bomber is that it is relatively speaking harder to destroy but that's about it. If Russia had air superiority to any real degree with SEAD they could just fly in bombers and do the same thing with better results.
I know this is a shitty plebbit link, but i think its mandatory for people to see what happens when these things get hit- https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/tb7msp/so_this_is_what_happens_when_a_russian_tos1/
jeez
Don't try to view it like field artillery but rather like a weird mix of an assault gun and a siege cannon in spirit.
It's a delete button for the garrisons of fortifications really.
If you have some big soviet block apartment building, school or hospital with soldiers inside, a barrage with some direct hits will destroy most of their lungs.
Dos anyone have that footage of one of these being hit in Syria and the whole horizon being blotted out by the explosion?
This one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=7&v=yGHBHJbQLbU&feature=emb_logo
Yeah, those things are moving deathtraps, wouldn't want to be anywhere near one.
>What is even the point of it?
Is kino as frick.
Looks so manly and rugged.
These things have probably killed more civilians than active servicemen.
Yes.
I guess its main task was to burn Afghanistan's villages.
looks badass
This war has given us so much kino, but all I want is a video of a fully loaded TOS blowing up.
It's useless. Look up how fast a blast wave loses energy compared to fragmentation. Then watch some videos from the war and see for yourself how "accurate" this moronic catapult is. Also pay attention to how many rockets turn into burning debris instead of actually exploding. Russia has been using dozens of them and other thermobaric memes around the clock for 6 months against conscripts sitting in simple trenches and the best they can do is advance 50 meters a day.