What is /k/'s opinion on self defense knives?
>Cheap
>Designed to require little or no training
>Can carry as a backup for muh boomstick
>Never requires ammo
>No need for disassembly, can clean with cloth
>Sexy design, looks like someone took a bite out of the blade
>Can be deployed extremely quickly
>No need for loicense
>Extremely effective if someone has you on the ground
>Has utility beyond self defense scenarios
>Extremely light weight and concealable
What is not to love?
> What is not to love?
Range
It is limited but you can have both
Something to keep in mind is a lot of fights go to the ground. Average self defense shooting for an armed civilian is somewhere around 3 yards. Consider the Teller drill.
Anyway, a knife in your off hand could be a valuable "space maker" if you're all tangled up with a crackhead or appalachian american meth enthusiast.
Tueller.
Tie it to a long stick and then it will be good
they're one of those things that is useful, in theory. and the theory is perfectly sound. but then it just never really happens. as a regular civilian carrying a gun, the likelihood that you will need to draw your "gun retention knife" or whatever is so ridiculously low. it's so much lower than the already low likelihood that you will need to draw your gun, or even the likelihood that you would need to just brandish a knife by itself (if you were noguns or something). so you just end up carrying this inflexible hunk of steel around like an butthole, probably trying to hide it so you don't scare people, and using it to occasionally open bags of doritos and shit. you might as well just carry a folder or SAK.
if you're a cop, then it's more reasonable. people do pretend to comply with cops and then try to handfight them for their gun, it happens a decent amount. cops almost never seem to carry these kinds of knives, but if they did we might actually see them getting used.
>cops almost never seem to carry these kinds of knives
Because they work in groups. You don't need a backup knife if you got a bro or (in the army) platoon of yours
i have never seen nor heard of a cop that is handfighting for his gun use a taser or baton. a baton would be pretty trash in that situation too.
and yeah other cops is nice, but there are many videos of lone cops performing a traffic stop suddenly wrestling for their lives on the side of the road. i mean really imagine some enormous felon has tackled you... i would much rather have a small fixed blade over trying to tase or baton them.
Everything you just said makes sense.
But...
I come from a low income white trash/Hispanic hellhole with lots of drug fueled ultraviolence. I would never leave the house without a knife of some kind as a child, and I'd never leave the house without a knife AND gun as an adult.
>Channelview, TX represent.
>Google it.
Long since escaped that fricking pit, but I'm not changing it up now.
https://www.news9.com/story/5e36438d2f69d76f6205e722/tulsa-police-officer-stabs-suspect-trying-to-grab-his-gun
I agree, I carry a pocket knife but a dedicated concealed fighting knife is probably overkill. I might still end up doing it though lol
>some fellow cops remarked that in 20 years of service they had never once heard of a cop defending himself with a knife
yup lol. but i bet that one guy who used it was glad he had it
the usual "knives bad" npc commentary finally arrives
if you are one of the few anons that lives in the bad part of a true shithole warzone then yeah i get it. i would be going full EDCgay with gun+knife+spray+light+IFAK+challenge coin+cumrag etc.
i don't actually own a clinch pick, was just posting an example of a "gun retention knife." i think push daggers are okay, don't listen to
as they don't need to be 5" long (especially if the purpose is retention/space). however the ability for a normal knife to snake around 90 degrees is very useful when dealing with fricked up close quarters situations, for example targeting the side of someone's neck or back during grappling, or trying to get them to release your knife arm. and again being honest with ourselves, imo you might as well have a knife that you can also use as a tool rather than one that needs to be hidden all the time and never used except in le mortal kombat.
The push is one of 2 or 3 knives I regularly carry. I always have a folder in my pocket and usually a 6" fixed blade on my right side. I live in an anything goes state where it's super common to see sheaths dangling. I also cc a full size 9mm (6'6", easily concealed owb under my shirt). The push serves a very specific, albeit rarely needed purpose: if my awareness fails me and I end up getting attacked from behind or clinched, a center line knife (at the buckle) is easy to get to and easy to use with minimal training. May be stupid to some, but it doesn't hurt to be over prepared.
Also, since you mentioned the challenge coin, I have seen them carried and wondered about the purpose. A couple nights ago one of my workers had to leave thinking he was having a heart attack (he has a history). I made sure he was OK to get himself to the hospital and wished him the best. He came back the next day and began to explain that he saw hr and something about attendance. I cut him off and said I don't give a shit about his attendance, I want to know that he's OK. He got a strange look on his face, reached in to his pocket and pulled out a military challenge coin (he's a retired marine, 20 year) and thanked me for looking out for him and caring about him. I now edc a challenge coin, but I still think buying one for carry is dumb. Thanks for reading my blog.
i will say that as a huge dude open carrying a fixed blade, you are probably the last person that would ever be chosen as that kind of victim lol. maybe in a big bar fight someone would jump on your back, but that's about it. if someone comes for you, they 99% chance are going to be using a gun. that would be my rationale for carrying less pointy stuff if it were me.
that said, you do do; knives are fun, knives are light, and true there's no harm in overpreparedness
I thought about the clinch, but when push instead. How do you like it?
Illegal in many states. Fundamentally not an effective weapon unless it penetrates more than five inches, and only if it does so in somebody's heart.
Cops have tasers, nightsticks and other cops.
I rotate out my knives a lot but I always carry a pikal or something that can be gripped in multiple ways. The reason I have a dedicated space maker is because of the sad reality of the city I live in where random nut jobs pounce people out of nowhere. You can’t always safely draw if they have your back but you can put three and a half inches of sharp metal in them over and over until they let go.
No real reason to not have one, worst case scenario you have a massively overqualified box opener
Why not just a have a normal knife?
*shoots you*
Stupid idea.
>Cheap
Cheap is not always good.
>Designed to require little or no training
If you want to kill a person rather than defend yourself. There are different approaches to self defence in various countries.
And even if you deliver some wounds, you may not stop an attacker
>Can carry as a backup for muh boomstick
Maybe. Better than those microshanks like b***hmade SOCP. However we're far from the days of Jim Bowie when huge ass knife was a necessary backup for cap and ball gun, it's not easy to get yourself a gun and ammo that may fail miserably.
>Never requires ammo
True
>No need for disassembly, can clean with cloth
Sometimes it needs to be disassembled for cleaning and oiling. Like, once in a century (unless you got carbon steel).
>Sexy design, looks like someone took a bite out of the blade
No, they look ugly.
>Can be deployed extremely quickly
As long as you train and know how to conceal them in a comfortable way
>No need for loicense
Depends on various countries and designs. Oppic knives probably wouldn't need any license.
>Extremely effective if someone has you on the ground
How do you end up on the ground in the first place.
>Has utility beyond self defense scenarios
True
>Extremely light weight and concealable
Mostly.
>Sometimes it needs to be disassembled for cleaning and oiling. Like, once in a century (unless you got carbon steel).
do those look like folding knives? What will you oil, your boyfriends ass?
You couldn't pick a more useless weapon for self defense in REAL life than a short knife. You would literally need to stab a person with one of these like 20 times to disable them (imagine the blood loss) and that's if you're really skilled, else who knows what else you would hit and perhaps even kill or cripple the dude. Not at all an ideal scenario as that puts you behind the bars more often than not.
We literally had an Ukrainian dude here stab some gypsies with one of these in self defense just last week, he stabbed like three gyppos out of the 15 that jumped him and one of them died. So the Ukrainian fella is now being trialed for murder.
In real life, pepper spray + telescopic baton combination rules.
>ka bar, tops knives
>cheap
Cheap compared to gun. Both are probably a little over $100.
Knives fall into the "better than nothing" category of self defense.
A knife is more utility than anything else.
Know your local laws.
It's a good alternative, especially in countries with no options for purchasing guns. Even in countries where you can carry guns, it's a fine backup.
Laws might frick you in the ass in many cases after using one for defense, but you are only concerned about living and being able to acquire one legally.
This is always so funny. When a knife is being used against you the mantra is always JUST RUN or think about the 21 foot rule yet when it comes to actually using one yourself everyone somehow goes to IT CAN BE TAKEN OFF YOU or it's no good for some odd reason. Well lucky if they take it off me it's gonna be useless to them right...
For non burgers (most of this world) it's clearly a good final choice and better to have than not to have. A fixed blade will always be superior to anything else and something easily concealable .
Folders are truly only good for utility even the tactical stuff. No Emerson wave is good enough even or whatever trick system you think they have. Other trash like those microtechs I see constantly have smooth as frick handles with no grooves meaning shit purchase on the knife in a high stress situation or if you hit any non soft spots your hand can slide, have mechanisms that need cleaning or are liable to fail or not lock in place.
For the cuckolded who can't carry guns then doing some boxing, sprinting, wrestling and having a high powered torch w strobe, some type of force multiplying implement like pen or metal keychain and small hidden fixed blade is the only shit we got and even then there's an expectation of being fricked by the law even if it was legal defence or not you're still going to be deep in it even if you so much as threw one extra punch than some homosexual israelite deemed 'reasonable'
What's the "bite" for? To rest your firearm on?
Brand? I bought my daughter a BM SOCP mini that she keeps in the front of her pants and taught her what to do if she's grabbed. I kinda like it and ponder getting a regular one for myself, but yours looks cooler.
Ccanku. Cost me a whopping $30
Sure knives are great... BUT if you have a 'self defense knife' or your self defense plan A-Q involves a knife then you are a fricking moron.
I carry a $10 shank unless I'm feeling fancy and then I carry my kobun. The shit you posted is beyond gay.
you carry around a samurai dagger made by some fat frick that panders to bikers and rednecks. what makes you superior here? being poor?
>You carry around a thing marketed to some of the people most likely to stab someone
Epic own.
>the KABAR TDI is gay
>i am a southern samurai and my weeaboo cringeblade is based
it's the epitome of throwing stones whilst living in your glass trailer
>the KABAR TDI is gay
Yes.
>my weeaboo cringeblade is based
No it's an inexpensive shank of reasonable quality. Is that what you're having trouble understanding, that a throwaway knife is a throwaway knife? After all you seem to be dead set on ignoring that my usual carry is a $10 chink Gerber clone. I used to throw those things onto Amazon orders just to get the free shipping then give them away.
Having a sharp piece of metal is such a basic line of defense, makes perfect sense that the autists here want to complicate it as much as possible
This is unironically the best self defenses knife, intuitive to use and it's hard for the opponent to fight back when they are trying to hold their guts in
>the best
>an elmax carumba
i hope you are ironically saying unironically, otherwise the sheer irony of your dogshit opinion might make the universe implode
I rather carry OC instead.
Knifes are literally a meme and only work to open letters and make teenagers feel edgy
>one of the oldest and most versatile tools in humanity is a meme