What if every country in World War II had mechs?
And what types of mechs were used?
What if every country in World War II had mechs? And what types of mechs were used?
What if every country in World War II had mechs?
And what types of mechs were used?
sorry jap, mechs are impractical and will never exist on the field of battle
i could see the smaller side of mechs being used (think kinda equivalent to an IFV) in certain roles. especially if someone takes one meant for logistics and throws some guns on it (which is bound to happen at one point or another). they won't replace tanks unless we get something big like myomers or some unobtanium that makes them suddenly OP.
Scout vehicles like the AT-RT from star wars would be an excellent example of how mechs could be used in the real world for recon duties and shit, but even that is completely irrelevant with drones and satellite shit becoming far more advanced as the months go on.
Will be quickly discontinued for more practical weapons.
Sorry mate, I do love Battletech but I just know this universe physics favour battlemechs.
You missed your calling when that videogame "Enlisted" had their battle mech april fools event. With the power of magic and unobtainium materials used to build those machines they still were pretty fricking easy to take out as an infantry man in an urban environment and easy to spot and kill as a traditional tank out in open fields.
Should probably be on /tg/ instead but here you go OP.
I did toy a bit with making a homebrew WWII mech wargame. Having it be like x-wing, movement based on movement templates, and replacing the heat mechanic so common in mech wargames by balance and momentum. Never went anywhere because I figured it'd be too tool dependent for a homebrew game.
Anyways, have some pictures.
> Big French wiener
I like it but the ass-artillery seems very difficult to reload, especially the lowest pair of barrels. The taildeck also limits maximum elevation. wienertower is good though.
7/10
nah, its articulated legs mean its elevation is fine
Actually seems convenient since it's slender and focused on the gun
But obviously too tall
>what if
what if Black folk tongued my anus
every WWII thread that starts with "what if" is a waste time
Steampunk and retro-futurism are both so much better than cyberpunk and futurism. I wish they were used more in big art productions, like movies with big budgets and good writers
Yep
>Steampunk and retro-futurism are both so much better than cyberpunk and futurism. I wish they were used more in big art productions, like movies with big budgets and good writers
I don't understand how there is basically no good steampunk content. There is so obviously potential there, both in aesthetics and core concept, but its all poorly written trash or some other thing with some brass and gears plastered over it.
Steampunk is nearly anathema to the normie soul, because it asks the "boring": what is the past had been different? With cyberpunk, at least normie drones can wax how "it is relevant to our future", despite the cyberpunk objectively being impossible and/or opting to not thematize topics of relevance to current society, at all. Normies are low IQ and they can't think in something just existing for its own sake, rather than it being tied to some deeper sociopolitical message.
I agree with you that the steampunk and alter-WW1 aesthetic is very superior, but because of above marketability reasons, one should appreciate the small tidbits that get smuggled into normie-aimed media, like in Ghibli works, etc.
I first remember when I watched the Will Smith vehicle "Wild Wild West" as like a 9 year old and all I could think about was "holy motherfrick what IS this bullshit, and where can I get more of it?"
Normies in the 90s must have been positively puzzled by the steampunk elements smuggled into their blockbuster.
Normies don't think about past, they ideas about future so same, no original.
But who think about alternative version of past, a same not original normies, but they think they're original.
We've has this thread a million times on /tg/
It boils down to "cyberpunk is an actual genre with specific tropes and social commentary, steampunk is artistic cogfopping and philosophically meaningless absent aesthetics"
>Why aren't you using it for your main armor?
Expense
We have similar stuff, consider ballistic glass for example
On some vehicles it's actually rated higher than the hull
>give it a gun the size of a car with a telephone pole
It's an assault gun
Like a very very big Stryker MGS
Every now and then you get a steampunk-dieselpunk anime movie.
Steamboy, castle in the sky, I bet you'd get a kick out of those.
Last exile is another good one, the original anyway.
The problem with steampunk is that it's just an aesthetic, nothing more.
well yeah, and? It's cool, stop thinking about it and enjoy the alternate history whackiness. It's like flying saucers, I Want To Believe.
unfortunately only like 3 factions in the series even have mechas, the war is a what-if battle between bioengineers and mechanics, but the majority of the time is spent with the bioengineers. Also cool, but not mecha.
Hmmm conflict from cyberpunk in steampunk setting? Interesting
I actually don't disagree that cyberpunk tends to bring in its own set of tropes and set up story and commentary from that, and a lot of steampunk content just doesn't.
But I do disagree that steampunk can't do that - there is plenty of relevant commentary that exploits the setting. Class divides, gender divides, industrialization, capitalism, social upheaval, new money vs old, concentration of industry resulting in concentration of power, industrial and industrialized warfare and the loss of cultural innocence etc. etc. All this shit is still relevant.
To be honest, I blame not having a strong flagship piece/s of the genre to steal ideas from, which is something cyberpunk has in spades.
>But I do disagree that steampunk can't do that - there is plenty of relevant commentary that exploits the setting. Class divides, gender divides, industrialization, capitalism, social upheaval, new money vs old, concentration of industry resulting in concentration of power, industrial and industrialized warfare and the loss of cultural innocence etc. etc. All this shit is still relevant.
There literally is no setting. It's an aesthetic.
>most of what steampunk can do isn't unique
> that stuff could be relevant anywhere,
Thats true just as true of cyberpunk. Most of the best cyberpunk stories use the setting to help the plot but the themes and commentary can be put into other settings. Frick, half the genre is just noir with megacorps.
>none of that is particularly steampunk.
Its not but it should be - think of the sterotypical steampunk characters - theres revolutionary inventors and robber barons and literal barons. The world that the mere existence of the character and technology implies should have all of those things, but they don't because most steampunk is barely thoughtout drivel that doesn't want to make any point.
>Cyberpunk demands dissatisfaction of some kind. Steampunk doesn't.
Again, I don't disagree because genre definitions are largely descriptive rather than prescriptive. Lazy, thoughtless steampunk is the vast majority of the genre, so the genre is defined by that. If we arbitrarily made some sub-genre, lets call it "Steampunk But Good", that had the trappings of steampunk but also had that deeper social and human commentary, it would still be steampunk, just also more. Theres nothing about those trappings that prevents or does not facilitate them, its just not required by the genre as currently defined as cyberpunk does.
This is why the lack of a good flagship hurts - because without one that takes itself seriously enough (it doesn't have to be actually "serious") to do that, it lets the dull stuff define the genre.
Cyberpunk wouldn't be what it is today if Get Ed was the first thing that pushed the genre into the spotlight instead of Neuromancer.
> Tl;dr you could totally tell a good and worthwhile story in a steampunk universe. Its a shame no-one does.
I think the biggest issue is that most of what steampunk can do isn't unique enough to justify its existence. All of those issues you've pointed out have been issues for centuries, some for literal millennia. They continue to be relevant, but those are problems that have at least been started to be solved or at least discussed.
Meanwhile cyberpunk explores issues that many people haven't even acknowledged yet. The digital age alone is such a pivotal moment in human history that it will be discussed by historians and reluctant college students for the next few thousand years. There will be entire schools dedicated to the study of this era, not even joking. The human body has not had time to evolve to comfortably adapt to this new world and there are a shitton of new problems that appeared.
Meanwhile at best steampunk is an exploration of an alternate history of an era we've already lived in and understand or an outright entirely alternate world. While interesting, it doesn't really bring anything new to the table. New tech concepts, sure. But amplifying the old world changes very little. Steam may have turned farmers into factory workers and men into railroad kings but the human spirit remains the same. They are still people.
But the advent of the digital age has turned normal people into something truly different, a people who's existence was unimaginable a few short decades ago. To see them casually walking around, adapted to survive in a world both familiar enough for us to understand but foreign enough to make the madness interesting. Ever seen that video of that kid playing minecraft on an ipad with one hand and mindlessly scrolling tiktok in the other? Cyberpunk is filled with his grandchildren, generational gap included with each step. It's meant to make even him feel uncomfortable with how far things are going.
Steampunk just doesn't have that cultural appeal. There are workers, kings, hookers, and priests. But it's the same people we already know.
>there is plenty of relevant commentary that exploits the setting. Class divides, gender divides, industrialization, capitalism, social upheaval, new money vs old, concentration of industry resulting in concentration of power, industrial and industrialized warfare and the loss of cultural innocence etc. etc. All this shit is still relevant
Yes, but not to be too harsh, that stuff could be relevant anywhere, none of that is particularly steampunk. This makes steampunk merely a medium.
Another litmus test: is cyberpunk utopian or dystopian? Easy answer: it's supposed to be dystopian, at least from the POV of the main character, the "punk". Is steampunk utopian or dystopian? No conclusive answer: because steampunk doesn't mean anything. It's merely an aesthetic, a setting. It's like high fantasy. Is high fantasy utopian or dystopian? Answer: could be either.
>I blame not having a strong flagship
That's part of it. But that just reinforces the point: steampunk does not and never had any compelling story underlying the concept or springing from it. It's an aesthetic.
>cyberpunk explores issues
This
If you take away issues from cyberpunk you are merely sci-fi. Cyberpunk demands dissatisfaction of some kind. Steampunk doesn't.
MOST steampunk is just an aesthetic.
There's some good stuff out there at does the whole "high tech, low life" thing. The key is the inclusion of the low lives and their problems.
Make it about how the marvels of the industrial revolution such as steam and combustion were built on the backs of the poor who labored to make it possible, and focused on the conflict between the luddites who were left behind by technological advancement and thus despised it, and those who were taken in by unreasonable optimism. Starving Irishmen assassinating politicians, Anarchists and Marxists torching mills and running for office. etc etc.
It's really not hard.
If steampunk is high tech low life it's cyberpunk with a coat of paint you gunless commie.
Steampunk should be optimistic about it's technology if only to distinguish itself. Steampunk tech should be awe inspiring and used for both good and evil.
You're not wrong to say steampunk can be used to tell those stories but the problem is that the steampunk part is still optional.
We don't need steampunk as a genre because there aren't any stories only it can tell, not to mention that many steampunk stories have already happened IRL. The industrial revolutions were already what steampunk is, the unrestricted progress of technology and the madness of the culture change that followed. We already got marxist uprisings, the poor spilling their blood to build great techno-wonders for their suited emperors, those who despised technology, and so on. If you turn our clock back a century and your steampunk story still works it's not steampunk.
Speaking of tech, while the industrial revolution changed society massively it doesn't hold a candle to what the internet did. Steam and steel replaced or supplanted muscles, but the humanity went untouched. In cyberpunk the humanity itself is being eroded away. There's no real way for steam to match the effects of cyber on human culture, at least not without getting into the truly meaningless steam-flavored magitech. While some kind of leeway has to be allowed so that the creators don't have to kill themselves when you get into the "it's steampunk, I ain't gotta explain shit" your steampunk setting loses all justification to be used at all.
But that's fine, steampunk was born as technowank and it's what it's best at. IMO it's is at its best when it tells stories about the power of human innovation, the progress of technology and the discussions around its good and evils. Western Cyberpunk was an exploration of its many cultural issues at the time, hell you could even say that the tech isn't even driving the story. Sitting shotgun and pointing out the billboards but cyberpunk is more about the driver's choice to listen to him. Steampunk is the driver upgrading the car while going down the highway, both cheering and wondering if it's a good idea before hitting a pothole.
Honestly the one defining characteristic of steampunk is "1800s looking technology doing things 1800s technology cannot", even if it's just in terms of scale, i.e. your tractor goes twice as fast as the historical equivalent.
Yeah
Which is fun and all, cause like, fricking ironclads lmao, but remains once again an aesthetic rather than a theme, compared to cyberpunk.
You can't take the dystopia out of cyberpunk, but you can take it out of steam"punk".
If anything, most of the well liked examples of steam punk are very optimistic, with technology being a good thing occasionally "misused" by tyrants.
The game "Arcanum" is a perfect example of what a steampunk setting SHOULD be like - a vehicle to discuss socio-political topics, or fantasy elements THROUGH socio-political topics.
Isn't pic more in line with dieselpunk? you're still right though.
Imagine if the Ukies had those, just walking around the Bakhmut killing fields massacring vatniks
>Wehrmacht adopts Zweifüßigpanzerkampffahrzeug designs as their main tank
>The exact same moronic design philosophy that affected their RL panzers is applied to them
>Congratulations, you've found the one thing more complicated and less reliable than WW2 German armour.
If you're looking for a 'Weird War II' scenario then you should look at slightly less moronic ideas OP. Try taking concepts that were explored in the Interwar years and change the ones that actually worked, there's a lot of material to work from there - even if you restrict yourself to tanks.
>Cheap and plentiful tanks (Matilda I/A11) become the new normal; war is dominated by vast hordes of slow, well armoured, but pathetically armed tanks
>French Super Heavy tank doctrine actually works and somehow becomes affordable for major nations; war revolves around small units of armoured behemoths that make the Char 2C look like a scout vehicle
>Germany realises that the Panzer II was actually the peak of the blitzkrieg years; and everyone else adopts large numbers of lightly armoured high speed scout tanks as standard
>Japan was right, and tanks just kind of never really go anywhere, alternate infantry doctrine tries to make up the difference
As long as you make the explanation and rationale more than just basic b***h handwavium you'll have a much better time of it than the standard issue mech thread.
was right, and tanks just kind of never really go anywhere, alternate infantry doctrine tries to make up the difference
Japan had to occupy China and Mongolia and they needed trucks more than anything. They didn't get much value out of tanks simply because until USA entered the war, their enemies did not use armor.
Also the IJN was taking all the steel.
Yeah, that's pretty much how it happened. Could be an interesting thought experiment to try to put together a workable 1940's vintage infantry doctrine that would serve the same purpose as the tank in the European/Soviet theatre without taking WWI tier casualties though.
IJA liked tanks and armored cars, they just had an extreme amount of land to cover and the logistical problem was the big thing.
>less reliable than WW2 German armour.
Reliability issues of German designs are vastly overstated. They were much more reliable than Russian designs and about as reliable as the rest, and certainly more reliable than british designs on average if American tests and trials of British designs are to be believed. Sherman reliability mostly came down to the maintenance support system of the US and the way they counted readiness by removing tanks that were out of action entirely from the statistics, while German reliability was tainted by both in the opposite reaction.
Also German medium tank divisions routinely underreported readiness numbers so generals would be less tempted to take some away for an ad-hoc Kampfgruppe. On average about 10%.
Tldnr: No, lurk more.
the truth hurts the wehraboo
>muh wehraboos
Kek
You're out of your element, donny. Go play with your Legos while real men discuss mechs.
Sieg Neo Zeon
Suppose we don't have tanks either. Now I think it will be easier for you.
Take this to /tg/. We discuss weapons and war here, not drawings
Dude did you read a text of tred?
A Sherman with legs is still a death trap.
Walkers>mechs
No I won't elaborate
Ok I do a heresy
Walker=mecha
>gaywars
no
>Everything walks and is slow as shit
>Wheeled vehicles have Solid metal tires with no traction
>Everyone wears armor that doesn't stop small arm fire
>1-2 million clones manage to beat a robot army where single planets could shit out 100s of millions of battle droids.
If memory serves, the explanation for Battle Droids being dunked-on was that despite how quickly they get shat out, they're still more expensive than a clone or a conscript but not even as effective. Droids were just a shortcut that allowing planets or """"banking clans"""" with small or conflict-averse populations to actually pursue a war in the first place
>Glass fronted tank
>Exposed gunner
>glass
Ackshually, it might be "transparisteel," the same shit Star Wars people use for the gigantic windows on starships. Also, this is the clone army's actual tank. The AT-TE is more of a terror weapon and troop carrier.
>Ackshually
Here's the problem.
If your transparent metamaterial is so much better than your armor...
Why aren't you using it for your main armor?
Why isn't it thicker?
Why is it completely flat and perpendicular at the front of the tank?
Why not give your gunner a canopy of this infinitely strong glass?
You have cameras. You have the ability to make smaller viewports and periscopes. The ATTE would unironically be better walking *backwards*
An A-wing moving slower than mach 1 punched clean through that "transparent steel" in Return of the Jedi, and a man sized missile punched straight through the window of a lucrehulk or whatever in Star Wars Clone Wars.
>Terror weapon
Against robots?
>Troop carrier
Why make it so slow and give it a gun the size of a car with a telephone pole rammed through it?
Why are you such a butthurt autist
>Hurrr why not make it the main armor
Perhaps because a camera is a point of failure combined to cameras+steel surface that acts like glass?
What a fricking moron.
You wanna say that again in English you assmad warsie?
NTA but I understood the English. We have examples IRL of well regarded armored vehicles nonetheless using mirrors and windows due to their role. It's not hard to imagine that could also be a world where the threats and defenses combine to justify such a thing existing in a different role.
>Why etc.
Primary objective is to sell toys, primary audience is kids who don't ask questions, people who know how to design practical military hardware are all busy not working in the children's toys/film industries, etc.
>cameras
The mark I eyeball is more reliable than shitty Star Wars electronics that get fried by the ion cannons so many people like to use.
>Terror weapon
Against the meat peasantry of the Outer Rim, the meat auxiliary units of the CIS, and later the rest of the galaxy. Post-TPM B1 droids also have emotions installed for comic relief reasons, so they probably can feel terror.
>Slow
According to Wookieepedia, it tops out at 60 kph. I have no idea where it does this in official media outside of very contrived tabletop situations, but it's there.
>big gun
Doylist perspective: sell toys, look cool. Watsonian perspective: in case it needs to shoot something from way, way behind the wall of expendable clone meat that is supposed to be shielding it. Clones aren't usually competent enough to do that last part correctly.
All the talk of practicality is moot anyway because the clone army wasn't designed to fight a "real" war, it was designed to fight the Clone Wars, a galactic phony conflict where both toy armies are run by the same guy. It's all space theater.
>The mark I eyeball is more reliable than shitty Star Wars electronics that get fried by the ion cannons so many people like to use.
Then use a sane viewport instead of a six foot wide target.
>Against the meat peasantry of the Outer Rim, the meat auxiliary units of the CIS, and later the rest of the galaxy. Post-TPM B1 droids also have emotions installed for comic relief reasons, so they probably can feel terror.
So moronic for the war they actually have to fight, with the exception of a scenario where the enemy actively sabotages itself like morons by letting their robots feel fear.
>According to Wookieepedia, it tops out at 60 kph.
I'm unconcerned with how it performs in books written to win online nerd debates, on screen it crawls like a turtle.
>Expense
Then you probably shouldn't be using so much of it to build needlessly large viewing windows when one tenth of it would do.
>We have similar stuff, consider ballistic glass for example
>On some vehicles it's actually rated higher than the hull
There is no clear material on the planet that resists weapons better per volume than steel.
There's still zero reason for it to be a straight 90 degree angle, on top of all of that.
How I know at-te was made from tractor, or something like tractor.
And how I think, they only put a cannon and guns.
And republic pay for it 99999999999999999 credits
>So moronic for the war they actually have to fight
No, it's just fine for the "war" they have to fight. They're fighting a phony war, remember? When both sides of the board are controlled by the same guy, none of the plays or pieces matter. All the clone army needed to do was put on a short but flashy show against a controlled opponent, shoot unsuspecting Jedi in the back, then tread on the space public until freeborn troops could be recruited to replace them.
But then they got rid of the "terror weapon" almost immediately, when a terror weapon would be theoretically useful.
>needlessly large viewing windows
Rothana procurement decided they needed the visibility, what can I say
>There is no clear material on the planet that resists weapons better per volume than steel
The stuff they make bulletproof glass out of, idiot
Aluminium oxide
Why they didn't do something like m1 abrams?
Tank ceramic armour is made up of similar stuff, but they won't tell you the exact formulation obviously. It's even better.
Dude I about driver view
>Post-TPM B1 droids also have emotions installed for comic relief reasons, so they probably can feel terror.
The explanation within the EU, if I recall correctly, is that droids develop personalities if you don't memory wipe them on the regular.
Basically a case of "the AI within a droid is so sophisticated it WILL achieve sentience unless you reset it to 0."
>Terror weapon
>Against a robotic force
homie wut.
Droids needed organic officers and the Separatist armies included other organic armies such as the Quarren and even humans
Terror weapon against the robots' meatbag leaders/auxiliaries and later the Republic's/Empire's own meatplebs.
By the way, for those wondering about silly wienerpit windows:
This technology already exist, of course in scifi you can expect they basically improved it so much it's as good as composite armor/forcefield but it may be production cost is so high even for a scifi civilization and the material is not customisable enough to go all the way attached pic.
I remember we had a discussion at the C&C forums about the design of the Brotherhood of Nod Scorpion Tank, there was this smartass who kept telling me how silly the whole thing was, as if a scifi setting couldn't have rules different to real life, in retrospective having a bubble of better-than-titanium transparent material protecting both the crew and the engine of the tank showed Nod's ideology, they will maximize the tank awareness and survivability for attacks while making sure the tank crew was always compelled to face the enemy or die from a rear hit.
That's the stuff they use in military bulletproof glass
Pics or it didn't happen
About girls, not in these tred
have you tried going outside, touching grass, having sex, visiting your local library or community college?
the stereotype of the fat tumblrite is inaccurate. Redditors are fat, I have yet to meet a fat tumblrite.
That said, that still doesn't mean they have good hygiene. Those girls REEK and I like that
I can say it's a German
>the stereotype of the fat tumblrite is inaccurate
frick I'm in the wrong tumblrs then, all the ones I know complain about fat-shaming
MAn. I learned to read from a Star Wars figure catalogue and have all sorts of memories lightsaber fighting my brother at all the directors cut releases for 4-6, and getting Dark Forces 2 and Jedi Knight 2 the day they came out... I wouldnt be caught dead liking the gay shit star wars has become in 2023.
Preach, I grew up on Mysteries of the Sith and Masters of Teras Kasi. Simpler times.
RING OF RED!
What do you mean "what types of mechs were used" it's your hypothetical homie
Google Translator is very good
(NO!!!! It sucks!!!!!)
Surely Steiner will launch his counter-attack consisting of nothing but Atlases.
It would need advanced computers to handle balancing, which would raise questions on why that technology, and the tech needed for the infrastructure to produce said computers, isn't used in other places that would make the war look nothing like the one we know.
>installs No-Panzerklein mod
I wish they weren't so jank, spraying down buildings with the quad MG42 one was fun.
We'd probably see initial successes in the early war period i.e. Poland and France if the walkers are somewhat interchangeable with light tanks. Nazi doctrine runs circles around interwar French tanks etc. Much like early panzer series. Unfortunately by North Africa walkers are quickly superceded by wheeled vehicles due to insurmountable sand malfunctions in leg joints and actuators, the germans lose in Africa even earlier than they did irl, and in Europe they're quickly outgunned, out armored and outproduced by KV's and T34's. Nazi Germany loses the war several months earlier because they spent the interwar era developing what is effectively a legged panzer II, and never had full production of panzer III's and IV's until 1941. Unfortunately the guns and armor you can mount on a walker using 1930's tech aren't very good.
>Fields of abandon German mech suits some smoldering
VGH
Nazis Germany fell in 4 years
Ring of Red was okay.
Based. I was waiting to see if anyone was old enough to remember this one.
Look into gear krieg
alternate weird war 2 where tanks are still used, but then the walkers, or panzerkampfers act as an inbetween of tanks and infantry.
so tanks are still the heaviest and has the biggest guns, but the walkers dominate anywhere there is no roads or flat terrain
I know about these, but I wanna know your opinion
I like it. Any setting with small mecha I think is the most interesting. Unfortunately mecha is mostly dominated by super giant robots where they lead over everything.
I think small walkers, some more big then exoskeletons, better than big, like Dubai skyscrapers.
Walking tanks are a stupid idea, the maintenance and complexity vs rolling tracks is immense, aside from the obvious point that these machines are too top heavy. All their weapons, ammo and sighting devices are far above the centre of gravity.
it's WWI fanfic, not WWII, but you might like Scott Westerfield's Leviathan series
if you can overlook it being nominally YA, you can even get enby tumblr girls to suck you off for it. Literally, they will suck your dick if you let them larp as the FemC
it's got a bunch of interesting semi-practical mech designs
Ok
But I don't wanna put my wiener in elephant, from tamblr
they're usually anorexic, actually. At least in my experience.
Insane, but good for sex.
Ok
That's Walker is awesome!
is the actual story good on its own, or is it mostly carried by the premise and keith thompson's art?
it's alright, gets bogged down in what I assume was publisher-mandated romance occasionally, but for the most part I recall it being pretty good, surprisingly so for something marketed to 19 year old girls.
Thompson's art is definitely the best part, though.
bri'ish sounds
I love his undead / horror stuff
MaK stuff.
To spheric for Germany
That's look like something French, or American, not German
I've never understood MaK
what is it?
an anime?
a wargame?
an rpg?
It's an unfleshed setting for model kits, that has some short stories from a hobby magazine tied to it. pretty cool vibe though.
that second one isn't even MaK mind you
None of the above. Its a loose line of model kits from different manufacturers based around the work of Yokoyama.
last one for me, good night mech people.
>>sad German sounds
Good night comrade
First you lure them in with the irresistible taste of lox…
>Losing your country in 4 years
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