5th gen is all about sensors, computers, microcontrollers. None of which Russia can manufacture locally to any meaningful extent.
Coupled with no export orders (kek, imagine thinking SK would buy your shit compared to F-35 or even developing their own), and a failing economy it was destined to fail.
Didn't India pull out of the deal and its part in helping build parts for it when it was still PAK FA?
The PAK-FA was better than anything India fielded at a time, and they had workshare agreements and local production, the challenge was lack of timeline. India needed new fighters yesterday.
>make development predictions based on growing economy >leader is an ape that keeps fricking it up >stagnate for over a decade >no money to make good plane
Russia's GDP would be double what it is now if Pootpoot didn't frick it up.
Reminder that every single 'project' that Russia has done since the fall of the USSR has been nothing but memes. What do I mean by this? Well, whenever the West (usually USA) announces they have done something or tested something or will be doing something, Russia will release that they have done something or tested something or will be doing something... and it is better than USA. >Surely you have examples of this, based knowledgeable anon?
Of course! First is the M1299, which was designed to replace the Paladin in the US military. The USA said it could do X amount of KM with special rounds. What does Russia do? Says it has a new SPG that can go even FURTHER than the M1299. Do we see it in action? Do we have proofs? No. >Well that's one example, surely you have another
Of course! When the USA announced they were having self-guiding sniper rounds, Russia immediately said they too have self-guiding sniper rounds, except they could go much much further!
Russia produces things like the T-14 in limited numbers, says it'll get 2,200 of them and then doesn't. But the West thinks 'Well they have some, they are big strong bear!'. Same with the SU-57. Same with lots of things. Russia plays purely on theoretical, rather than actual. They tricked the world into thinking they were a power in 2008 (hence the degradation of /k/ ever since, /misc/ & /chug/ tourists will deny this or wonder why /k/ hates Russians) and then in 2014 did the same. Now they've been exposed and that is a good thing. Had Russia pulled off the 2 day decapitation strike (and the planned 1-2 weeks of 'dissident/terrorist suppression) then we'd all be cowering in our boots. But thankfully the UK stood up and slapped Russia about and USA didn't want to be left behind so strode to the front and slapped them. When that happens, the rest line up to slap too. Sadly the French and Germans and Italians didn't get on board (and still aren't) and thus the war is going on a lot longer than it should have.
That's not really my point. My point is that they have always just said they have better than USA because reasons. Reality doesn't conform to that but whatever.
>But the West thinks 'Well they have some, they are big strong bear!'
Bullshit, the general population doesn't even know the T-14 exists, and base their perception of the strength of Russia on whether they were featured as enemies in the latest video game. Meanwhile, everybody with enough knowledge to know these weapons exist also knows Russia doesn't have these in numbers to matter.
I agree with you in general but their space program was actually been halfway decent. The ISS is a good example. Whether that will continue to be the case I seriously doubt.
It's fake. Like MIG-25, everyone thought it was some advanced wonder weapon and turned out it was crudely welded steel frame with single-use engines and radar made from trash can lid.
Russia happened.
Didn't India pull out of the deal and its part in helping build parts for it when it was still PAK FA?
Heard India was deeply unimpressed with the PAK-FA's capabilities too.
5th gen is all about sensors, computers, microcontrollers. None of which Russia can manufacture locally to any meaningful extent.
Coupled with no export orders (kek, imagine thinking SK would buy your shit compared to F-35 or even developing their own), and a failing economy it was destined to fail.
The PAK-FA was better than anything India fielded at a time, and they had workshare agreements and local production, the challenge was lack of timeline. India needed new fighters yesterday.
>in service
>make development predictions based on growing economy
>leader is an ape that keeps fricking it up
>stagnate for over a decade
>no money to make good plane
Russia's GDP would be double what it is now if Pootpoot didn't frick it up.
Reminder that every single 'project' that Russia has done since the fall of the USSR has been nothing but memes. What do I mean by this? Well, whenever the West (usually USA) announces they have done something or tested something or will be doing something, Russia will release that they have done something or tested something or will be doing something... and it is better than USA.
>Surely you have examples of this, based knowledgeable anon?
Of course! First is the M1299, which was designed to replace the Paladin in the US military. The USA said it could do X amount of KM with special rounds. What does Russia do? Says it has a new SPG that can go even FURTHER than the M1299. Do we see it in action? Do we have proofs? No.
>Well that's one example, surely you have another
Of course! When the USA announced they were having self-guiding sniper rounds, Russia immediately said they too have self-guiding sniper rounds, except they could go much much further!
Russia produces things like the T-14 in limited numbers, says it'll get 2,200 of them and then doesn't. But the West thinks 'Well they have some, they are big strong bear!'. Same with the SU-57. Same with lots of things. Russia plays purely on theoretical, rather than actual. They tricked the world into thinking they were a power in 2008 (hence the degradation of /k/ ever since, /misc/ & /chug/ tourists will deny this or wonder why /k/ hates Russians) and then in 2014 did the same. Now they've been exposed and that is a good thing. Had Russia pulled off the 2 day decapitation strike (and the planned 1-2 weeks of 'dissident/terrorist suppression) then we'd all be cowering in our boots. But thankfully the UK stood up and slapped Russia about and USA didn't want to be left behind so strode to the front and slapped them. When that happens, the rest line up to slap too. Sadly the French and Germans and Italians didn't get on board (and still aren't) and thus the war is going on a lot longer than it should have.
That's not true
They managed to complete the AK-12 project, eventually.
That's not really my point. My point is that they have always just said they have better than USA because reasons. Reality doesn't conform to that but whatever.
only after making it so bad the troops on the front still prefer the ak-74 because at least it works
>But the West thinks 'Well they have some, they are big strong bear!'
Bullshit, the general population doesn't even know the T-14 exists, and base their perception of the strength of Russia on whether they were featured as enemies in the latest video game. Meanwhile, everybody with enough knowledge to know these weapons exist also knows Russia doesn't have these in numbers to matter.
I agree with you in general but their space program was actually been halfway decent. The ISS is a good example. Whether that will continue to be the case I seriously doubt.
You can't sustain a large modern military with a GDP smaller than Canada.
They need Western high tech machinery to build high tech jets.
>in service
It's fake. Like MIG-25, everyone thought it was some advanced wonder weapon and turned out it was crudely welded steel frame with single-use engines and radar made from trash can lid.
russian copium because they'll never have anything to rival the f-35