What exactly is the Habsburg/Austro-Hungarian variant of Sharpe's saber /k/? I read the British version was based directly on an Austrian model but I can't find any of that exact model for sale anywhere.
What exactly is the Habsburg/Austro-Hungarian variant of Sharpe's saber?
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http://sharpecompendium.net/weapons/weapons.php
This is what they say about it.
>The sword he designed in collaboration with the Birmingham cutler Henry Osborne was adopted, with a slightly increased blade length, for the British light cavalry as the Pattern 1796. It is recorded that Le Marchant wished that his curved cutting sword be universally adopted, but it was decided that the heavy cavalry should have a straight sword based on an Austrian model.
What even would be heavy cavalry at this point? Mounted men with swords, pistols, a helm and cuirass?
Mostly horse size at that point
Really? So it wasn't about armor size, but about a bigger horse which...could carry more baggage and thus do longer journeys? Sorry, this really isn't my wheelhouse, but that's fascinating and I'm listening intently if you care to explain further.
Nah bigger horse with a bigger dude just delivers a more devastating charge. Armour would be more common with heavy cav as well but the horse would be the deciding factor with dragoons, hussars etc usually being smaller guys on smaller horses.
Larger horse is taller and has more momentum, so it can more easily break a line or square(A dying horse falling/crashing forwards uncontrollably is actually useful), and more easily defeat lighter cavalry. Also most heavy cavalry are going to have a cuirass of some kind and wear a metal helmet, while light cavalry are unlikely to have any armor.
Dragoons for one, while hussars were the light cavalry. Over in the UK the Lifeguards and Royal Horse Guards were apparently heavy cavalry too, dunno what they'd have beyond these swords at this point so your google is likely as good as mine. Assuming they too aren't simply dragoons by another name I would guess they'd be in more of a shock cavalry role (ie ride ride into something the commander doesn't like and smash it good and proper) while the hussars may be more of a harassing force.
What is the difference between curved and straight swords and which is better and why?
Curved ones are "better" for slashing and straight ones are "better" for stabbing - in theory. But both types of swords could perform those tasks. Doctrine is also a deciding factor, as for example french cuirassiers of the Napoleonic Wars, used their straight swords similarly to a lance on the initial charge to deliver a devastating stab.
To be quite honest: one is curved and the other is straight. What they're good at depend son what they've been designed to do. Trying to distil it down to "curved do this, straight do that" will mostly just be lying by oversimplification.
The only overall trend there IMO is that we have a bit more of swords that were little but uniform accessories as time went on, due to firearms taking over more and more. This is just an overall trend though.
Many collectors amass huge collections, until they die and the collection goes off to some auction house to return to the market. Such is the cycle of antiquities.
>Many collectors amass huge collections, until they die and the collection goes off to some auction house to return to the market. Such is the cycle of antiquities.
Then you can frick off like that moron, filtered.
>Many collectors amass huge collections, until they die and the collection goes off to some auction house to return to the market. Such is the cycle of antiquities.
Well, until they get robbed.
Why so curved?
Its how they were used as well. Heavy cavalry were meant for charging straight into massed infantry lines.
Light cavalry were more for scouting, running down fleeing troops, raiding, disrupting skirmishers, and being a quick reaction force on the battlefield. They could be used to charge infantry but that wasn't their main role.
Same for Dragoons, originally they were supposed to ride to position, dismount and use muskets, but over the years different armies started using them more like light cavalry
That'd be the 1796 pattern for heavy cavalry. Shown here is the 1775 variant which got an iron scabbard.
Yes that is the British copy, I'm trying to find the Austrian original.
That's the thing about copies, they're rather hard to tell apart. In this case though you can note the very nub (rivet block I guess) on top of the pommel cap, as well as the langet extending down from the grip on the grip side. The British version (one shown here, with the common reground tip) appears to lack these.
The general problem with these sabers (I've been trying to find some 19th century Austrian ones unrelated to this) is that they've been made by so many manufacturers with so many variations that there is really no way to tell what it's supposed to look, officer version might have the rivets hidden, sometimes the officer version might have entirely different fittings, then everyone made their own version of the engravings of the handguard ranging from some random village moron copying what he vaguely remembered seeing when he went to the apprenticeship in the city to stuff that was personally commissioned by the officer, and so on.
I see, I found this which is again slightly different.
https://www.catawiki.com/de/l/8091955-heavy-austrian-sabre-pallasch-m-1769-75
Standardisation at the time could indeed often be somewhat lacking. Especially for officer's swords, since they usually bought them themselves and merely had to stay reasonably close to spec. Trooper's weapons are usually a bit more uniform, but as per your auction listing the grip-side langet is clearly somewhat optional for the Austrian version. The longer, straighter grip and the peen block are still there though, so they seem like reasonably safe things to go by if we have nothing else.
Dumb question - sabers are usually supposed to have wire around the handle leather/rayskin. It tends to be lost to time on a lot of auction pieces. However, if you want to restore the wire, there is also no way to disassemble the handle because it's usually peened.
What do?
unless the hilt is otherwise in more or less junk condition leaving it well enough alone is usually going to be the best bet by far. It's old, so just accept that it shows it. That said you can open up a peen and later re-do it, but it isn't exactly a gentle process. IIRC it consists mostly of just filing away the top of the peened bit.
I can't even figure out which had wires and which didn't, apparently it seems some didn't but it's really hard to tell.
British and Austrian versions side by side.
>sharpe thread
My Blacks.
Ironically, the only other person I have ever met irl who was into Sharpe was an extremely autistic Tumblr girl I met at college.
She was also fascinated with military history in general, and wanted to talk to me for a very long time about various aspects of European warfare. In hindsight, I probably should have figured out she was infodumping on me as a flirtation strategy, but at the time I wasn't well enough acquaintanted with how autistic people flirt.
>tumblr girl
Don't stick y
>Autistic fascination with military history
She might have been worth your time.
Should've married her dumbass.
Should've bought a tard-proofed house and had half a dozen spastic little loaf kids with her and a moronic dog.
Oh the idyllic, neurodivergent life that Anon threw away...
Is it bad that I see that and go "based explorer and his feral little goblin wife"?
Would that that was our reality anon.
>Witnessing what was once rational descend into incoherent screaming
Doctrine and function more than necessarily kit, though they still had heavy cuirasses sometimes. I think we underestimate the role of the horse's breeding in the function of cavalry - easy to think 'a horse is a horse is a horse' which is like saying 'any armored vehicle can be a tank'.
It might also be the training of the horse. There's much hay made about how you can't get a horse - a modern trained one - to run into a wall. So a wall of pointy stick-armed men wouldn't be something it charges into. It's possible, though I am speaking pure conjecture here, that you could train a horse to be such a nasty ornery son of a b***h it'd go ahead and run headlong into a group of people. And not "a crowd" like modern cop cavalry but full on a mosh pit style group. Then again cavalry never charged into that, they'd be charging into maybe 3-5 men deep for napoleonic era.
>There's much hay made about how you can't get a horse to run into a wall
This is actually how North Africans and nomadic Arabs train their horses to this day. They don't actually run them into it, but they will have them at full tilt at a wall to see if it'll do it and any well trained one will.
The people who say that a horse wouldn't run into walls of men have clearly never been around a well trained horse because all of them gladly would, even modern horses. People either forget or don't know that horses are herd animals and don't necessarily think for themselves at all times.
>I think we underestimate the role of the horse's breeding in the function of cavalry
In earlier times this was absolutely true, though they didn't have the concepts of breeds that we do today. By Napoleonic times though, it was mostly just weight and height that was considered, as a previous anon said. When a third of your horses become casualties during each campaign you really don't have the ability to specify breed. Purpose bred warhorses, farm horses, race horses; it didn't matter as long as they could be ridden, especially as wars dragged on and the good horses were killed. This is even more apparent when reading about the US Civil War. The South had some of the best horses in the country at the start of the war and by the end of it they were mounted on pack horses or stolen Yankee mounts. The only horses you really wouldn't bring to war is a stallion.
the Pallasch
It's the British 1796 Heavy Cav, itself based on the 1775 Austrian Havy Cav Saber. It's a piece of shit. The French AN XIII was a far better heavy cav saber. On the other hand, the Brit 1796 Light Cav was quite nice.
>you said saber when it's actually a pallasch
Go frick yourself. Vive l'Empereur and God Bless America.
How does all this compare to 19th century sabers up to WW1?
Saber design didn't change much after 1815.
>Cheesy 80s guitar mixed with fife and drum intro plays
>Small skirmish between the British and French
>Sharpe flailing his sword around while Hagman gives cover fire
>They win the skirmish
>Messenger on horseback approaches
>"Lieutenant/Captain/Major Sharpe, you are summoned to Lord Wellington's tent"
>"Bloody ell Patrick, what's 'e want now"
>Sharpe arrives in old Nosey's tent
>His spymaster of the day is there
>As is a weasel looking British officer or French lord
>"Sharpe, this is Lord Fricksworth, who has a dangerous mission for you - you will be enormously outnumbered, deep behind enemy lines with no support, oh and Major Ducos is around so watch out for him
>Lord Frickworth insults him for being a poorgay but reluctantly accepts that this is Wellington's best man
>"As ye like sir, Ah'll get it dun"
>Cut to Sharpe and Patrick discussing the mission
>"It dun maek bloody sense Patrick, why do they need us to tek this castle/find this woman/get these supplies/uncover this plot"
>"Oh surely as the fields o' Ireland are green, sir, God has a plan for us, sir"
>A few battles happen on the way to the objective
>Oh look it's an attractive young woman who keeps looking at Sharpe suggestively
>They frick
>"Look Patrick! It's the thing we're here for!"
>"LOOK OUT SIR"
>Lord Fricksworth appears and betrays Sharpe
>Ducos appears
>"HON HON HON! Bamboozled you again my nemesis"
>"Bloody Ducos"
>Battle happens
>Patrick goes "AAAAAAAAAHHHHHH BANG" with the 7 barrelled gun
>Wellington arrives
>"Well done Sharpe! You've done it again"
>Sharpe and his men march into the sunset
>THERE'S FORTY SHILLINGS ON THE DRUM...FOR THOSE WHO VOLUNTEER TO COME...
And depending on where you are in the series, insert one of these:
>spanish waifu shows up to tease his wiener and/or die
>someone uses a barely disguised nugget in the background
>awful fudd advice surrounding blackpowder weaponry
>random real-life character is bumbling, fat moron or delusional aristocuck cause none of them are allowed to be competent in the Sharpeverse
>gets cucked or otherwise fricked over by new wife
Still love the series tho.
You forgot
>competent officer with a deathflag a mile wide sticking out of his ass
>Rotating carousel of expendable young ensigns
>random real-life character is bumbling, fat moron or delusional aristocuck cause none of them are allowed to be competent in the Sharpeverse
Wellesley is always show as cool and extremely competent in every appearance.
And most of them are portrayed like that because we see them from Sharpe's POV, and Sharpe is a tard gutter born megapleb so of course he doesn't like homosexual nobles.
>random real-life character is bumbling, fat moron or delusional aristocuck
I'm trying to think of when this happened other than George IV (which wasn't too far off) and Prince of Orange.
Not sure why it has so many seasons when it is this bad
i watched every season
>when it's this bad
You what Black person? All of those things give it unreal amounts of soul.
Its the same with Star Trek TNG. So many fricking episodes are meaningless or rehashed but its comforting to watch
Most TNG episodes were good though.
its real issue is that it was filmed on a absolute bare bones budget in the middle of bumfart nowhere
it requires some absolute balls to try and recreate napoleonic linear combat with a cast of like forty dudes
Fricking sovl
now that's real soldiering
Honestly, if you just read this greentext, you really don't have to watch any of the movies.
FInally a thread where I can post 90% of my collection. Wanna get into Napoleonic stuff but I am an autist who thinks the compromise "Wilkinson" blade is one of the best ever designed. Started with Swiss stuff, then got into Swedish too, add in some Italians and French and German, and a lot of British who, for the money, DID make the best swords. Swiss made the best swords RE: QC and standardization but if you were a Brit who had money, the 1845 heavy cavalry/household cavalry sword is about the best ever made IMO. Before you even say they're too big for infantry, I've just received an 1896 patent hilt with a full 35.5" blade with a weight of about 870 grams for a real life Sharpe in that he used this sword dismounted fighting with the 3rd BN Coldstream Guards in 1917. But I digress, I really wanna get into the Napoleonic stuff just to have some but the market is super cutthroat there.
What's even the point? You're just hoarding it at this point, and hogging it for people who want a sword or two of which there's a limited supply. Very sad.
Cry about it homosexual, none of what I collect is even in high demand and when it is, guess who'll have it? If you think I'm bad, I'm trying to get my foot in the door before all the speculative boomers and gen xers decide swords are the new gun collecting and ruin it.
That's great, hope your pitbull eats you.
Go be poor on another board.
Verification not required.
One more point, sword collections are not firearms collections. Having 1 m1 garand is fine and good. But having 1 1796 light cavalry sabre gets you nowhere. COllecting is all about COLLECTING. Having all the makers. All the variants. Sub variants. Collecting swords is explicitly about collecting and cant be compared to modern firearms ownership where it itself still serves a modern purpose. Owning them, researching them, restoring them, and buying/selling for prestige IS the game.
moronic swindler piece of shit.
t. Poorgay I'm sure you can find a nice Universal or Windlass if you save up real nice and hard.
I'm sure the mall has a few nice looking katanas you can hang on your wall if you're that worried about it. Leave the antique swords to the rest of us who appreciate them.
>I APPRECIATE FOOD THEREFORE I AM 3000LBS AND EAT BABIES
Hardly the same now innit?
Holy frick go back to r*ddit you candyass whiny b***h.
As someone who isnt a raging tard any recommendations on where to buy antique swords
I got VERY lucky at auctions, like 99 and 200 dollar steals. My favorite I own was 260 bucks. Catawiki which used to do weekly ones has ended. Here are my options for you
-If it is a specific country's swords you want, try translating the sword model/name into that language. IE a Swiss 1867 cavalry sword, the first one I really tried to get specifically would be an Ordonnanz 1867 Offizier Sabel. Do this and you can find foreign language antique websites. Usually you can get them shipped to your country easily.
-Auctionet does rolling auctions with tons of mostly Swedish but other good swords as well. Be aware, they only ship to the EU. If you've a friend who can be the mule, slip them a $20 to get your swords and repackage them for international shipping.
-For french swords, Naturabuy.fr is like french ebay, most will ship internationally if you contact them
-For British sabres you are either competing against everyone at auctions or you can swallow your pride and make friends with the older collectors and dealers and eventually they'll get you good deals.
-Polish, WWI/II German, and Russian swords are ludicrously expensive for originals/
-Want a Napoleonic era French sword especially a cavalry sword? Look into organ selling.
-I like late Victorian stuff because IMO they are the best made swords with the cumulative knowledge and the might of industrial rollers.
-If you want an American civil war sword good fricking luck but Horse Solider is a good bet.
Hope that helps
-Cot'd:
-The International Antique Sword Collectors (IASC) and Military Sabres for Sale facebook pages are pretty good, I know a few who will remain unnamed on there who constantly have great deals.
-Rock Island has swords occasionally as do other gun auctions but you tend to get dumb bidding wars.
-Ebay CAN be a good source but be careful and research
-In general, if its an in-demand item (1796 light or heavy, French AN XI, etc.) youre better off getting one from a dealer than potentially getting ripped off
Yeah just steal everyone's history everything must end up in a landfill in America.
You are stealing the brain cells of everyone else on this thread and yet you're still here. I'd ask you to post your own swords but I'm about 90% sure now you live in some cuck state where all you CAN own are antiques because modern swords are too dangerous. Hence, the unbridled fury of a full on autistic man when someone buys the last Funko Pop he wanted to get.
What's the point of buying a shitty replica when antiques in decent state exist? Oh right you want to force everyone to buy replicas so you can jerk off to your 2000 sword collection.
Just for this I'm gonna buy another 10 swords. If you want a cheap sword help yourself. Cheap antiques even. Go buy an 1882 infantry sword for like 250 bucks for a good one. Hell you can find a good one for less than that sometimes. Or what about a Swiss 1896/02? Or even some cheaper British swords or a massive Swedish 1893 for $300 like the first one I got? They're still out there. Go on, go get one. I'm serious. You're b***hing at me without even understanding how many fricking late 1800s swords there are out there.
Ok sell me one then.
https://www.naturabuy.fr/Sabre-officier-infanterie-Francaise-Mle-1882--item-10056739.html 185 Euros. If you cant afford this you are too poor.
https://en.militarycollectables.online/product-page/sv-kavallerisabel-f%C3%B6r-manskap-m-1893-1 300 euros for this one. There you go. The only collectible stuff I get is British stuff and that's only because they are 1-of a kinds based on the provenance of the officers. Everything else there is an ABUNDANCE of.
Nowhere I have it all you can suck my dick poorgay just pay my 5000% markup next year XD
I've listening to the Farley audiobooks for the past month. In the middle of book three.
Why the frick did Sharpe not just kill Hakeswill himself when he had the chance? Especially the second time at Assaye when he should have learned to not leave Obadiah's death to chance. Hakeswill got away with denying MacCandless his long-delayed retirement, so why couldn't Sharpe?
LMFAO listening to audiobooks what a poorgay buy a real book LOL.
LOL! Imagine getting upset because they lost a flag. Like go get another one from the supply! ROFLMAO
i love that its free but it might not always be so i plan to buy it soon