In case you didn't know:
Taser guns have a short range limited by the length of the electrode wires.
The shotgun shell was to eliminate this problem by including its own power source allowing to be wire free.
It was to be fired from modified shotguns that were rendered incompatible with regular shells to avoid confusing ammunition.
Police departments declined to take them up because of the initial costs of units, shells, training shells, etc
How much did it weigh and what was its velocity? That can't have been very safe as a non-lethal. It's basically a heavier, more pointy less-lethal hard plastic round given what I imagine is the battery, PCB, capacitor and the copper wires weigh in that setup.
He's probably not aware that every TASER, except the XREP, is pnumatic.
I'm with an 800 man department and we're still getting X26Ps.
The majority of those agencies are tiny ass town and rural departments that barely have enough money for cars, let alone $500 taser cartridges that you don't need because there's not a single black resident in your community
>$500 taser cartridges
Cartridges are free, my man. It's the handle that costs.
>and what does /k/ think of it not going into production
The taser incapacitating effect relies entirely on electric current flowing through large muscle groups between two probes, ideally as far away from each other as possible.
If the probes are too close to each other, it won't do anything other than cause moderate pain. The closer, the less effective.
This thing is basically a glorified stun gun (except worse and weaker) packed into a shotgun shell.
No shit it never went into production, it's a fricking moronic concept.
t. taser instructor
Okay I looked further into it and it relied on the base falling off after the front embeds itself into the target, deploying its own electrodes in the form of long thin spikes and closing the circuit with the target's legs.
That just sounds like a very poor and intermittent contact even if everything goes perfectly. No wonder it got shitcanned.
They worked well but got shitcanned because of price.
$3-400 per shot and they only had a two year shelf life. No departments were willing to spend that kind of money when a bean bag works at the same ranges.
I don't believe it worked well, I've seen what intermittent contact does when people wear baggy clothes and stuff.
One second they're incapacitated, the next (when the dart loses contact with their skin) they lunge at you.
Most of the time the perp just goes stiff and keels over when they're hit good, which would make the base of the projectile very likely to lose contact as well.
There's not intermittent contact though. The impact drives the probes in. Secondary probes are located on the body of the projectile but are not required.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Secondary probes (...) are not required
How the frick do you think a circuit works you mouth-breathing cretin
3 months ago
Anonymous
between the multiple probes on the impact face of the dart.
The secondary spines on the body are for when they try to grab the thing and it can complete a larger circuit. They aren't required for it to work but do make it better if triggered.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>between the multiple probes on the impact face of the dart
Physically incapable of causing NMI due to nil distance between probes = utterly worthless.
>No shit it never went into production, it's a fricking moronic concept.
The modified yellow stock 870s are cool. Almost traded a Siaga for one and didn't. No ragrats.
How much were DVD players when they first entered the market and how much are they now?
Electronics are always expensive initially.
I bet if you check back issues the taser guns were expensive when they first became available too.
>Electronics are always expensive initially.
Yes, but it takes very high demand to make them cheaper. DVD players had tons of demand because hundreds of millions of people worldwide wanted one. This does not have "hundreds of millions" of potential customers. It has a tiny fraction of that.
Also, let's not ignore the fact that tasers are are shitty on their own: sometimes they kill people and sometimes they don't work. And that's with the version the cop controls with their hand. This automated crap would be far worse.
>There are 17,985 police agencies in the United States which include local police departments, county sheriff's offices, state troopers, and federal law enforcement agencies.
How many units would they each purchase?
I'm with an 800 man department and we're still getting X26Ps.
The majority of those agencies are tiny ass town and rural departments that barely have enough money for cars, let alone $500 taser cartridges that you don't need because there's not a single black resident in your community
>tasers routinely fail to do anything to chimping out tyrones, ending with them getting shot anyway >we sure are glad we expelled $500 over the <$100 cartridges for a real taser
Let's not forget that beanbag rounds are considerably cheaper and are already in use. These rounds would still be considered "less than lethal" which would make it dubious as to whether or not they're better than beanbags
>accidentally ruptures the lithium battery and is propelled from close range directly into the stomach cavity of a unarmed blackmen who did infact not did nothing, whom was simply runnin from a traffick stop due to his child support warrants
>think of the Taser shutgun
I enjoy the colour yellow >shell
The technology is interesting >think of it not going into production?
It angers and confuses me
Talking about Taser, Remember when they were going to make a Taser drone to fight against school shootings and they then cancelled it because most of their ethics board resigned in protest?
IIRC one of the reasons it didn't take off was after an incident in Bongland (the whole Raoul Moat affair), one of these was deployed, they shot him with one while he was holding a sawn off 12 gauge to his head, causing him to tense up blow his head off. Following that they were withdrawn from service.
Might be fuddlore/I'm pulling this out of my ass, so don't quote me on it
Wasn't the issue with this ammunition primarily that it wouldn't properly cycle in shotguns that weren't specially made for it, hence its pairing with the Mossberg X12, which still had issues, and the like promised other forms of specialist ammunition for said X12, which wasn't even a proper shotgun, never materialized?
It is obsolete. Of out production. Vintage NOS is not warrantied. Probable lawsuit for using expired stock. AND limited shelf life, so duds. But the modified custom 209 primers for the no gunpowder loads are cool to have. Also vintage NOS, but no real shelf life, so... there's that.
I've wondered if you could make something similar for a crossbow except definitely not non-lethal for hunting. >Shoot durr or other animal that sometimes runs for a while after getting hit with taser broadhead bolt >Immediately drops to the ground because now not only does it have a broadhead in the heart it also has a souped up taser in it too, either bleeds out in the usual time or, if you didn't get a good hit, you can quickly finish the stunned animal off instead of having it go running for ages bleeding slowly to death
And I suppose since it's a lethal weapon you'd crank up the juice so instead of a constant supply of low zap it's one mega zap that instantly knocks it out like what's used in slaughterhouses to stun pigs before they get the ol neck slice
Pooh in the loooooooohh
In case you didn't know:
Taser guns have a short range limited by the length of the electrode wires.
The shotgun shell was to eliminate this problem by including its own power source allowing to be wire free.
It was to be fired from modified shotguns that were rendered incompatible with regular shells to avoid confusing ammunition.
Police departments declined to take them up because of the initial costs of units, shells, training shells, etc
How much did it weigh and what was its velocity? That can't have been very safe as a non-lethal. It's basically a heavier, more pointy less-lethal hard plastic round given what I imagine is the battery, PCB, capacitor and the copper wires weigh in that setup.
weight*
are you not aware of the fact that you don't have to slam as much powder into a bullet or shell as possible?
He's probably not aware that every TASER, except the XREP, is pnumatic.
>$500 taser cartridges
Cartridges are free, my man. It's the handle that costs.
>and what does /k/ think of it not going into production
The taser incapacitating effect relies entirely on electric current flowing through large muscle groups between two probes, ideally as far away from each other as possible.
If the probes are too close to each other, it won't do anything other than cause moderate pain. The closer, the less effective.
This thing is basically a glorified stun gun (except worse and weaker) packed into a shotgun shell.
No shit it never went into production, it's a fricking moronic concept.
t. taser instructor
Okay I looked further into it and it relied on the base falling off after the front embeds itself into the target, deploying its own electrodes in the form of long thin spikes and closing the circuit with the target's legs.
That just sounds like a very poor and intermittent contact even if everything goes perfectly. No wonder it got shitcanned.
They worked well but got shitcanned because of price.
$3-400 per shot and they only had a two year shelf life. No departments were willing to spend that kind of money when a bean bag works at the same ranges.
I don't believe it worked well, I've seen what intermittent contact does when people wear baggy clothes and stuff.
One second they're incapacitated, the next (when the dart loses contact with their skin) they lunge at you.
Most of the time the perp just goes stiff and keels over when they're hit good, which would make the base of the projectile very likely to lose contact as well.
There's not intermittent contact though. The impact drives the probes in. Secondary probes are located on the body of the projectile but are not required.
>Secondary probes (...) are not required
How the frick do you think a circuit works you mouth-breathing cretin
between the multiple probes on the impact face of the dart.
The secondary spines on the body are for when they try to grab the thing and it can complete a larger circuit. They aren't required for it to work but do make it better if triggered.
>between the multiple probes on the impact face of the dart
Physically incapable of causing NMI due to nil distance between probes = utterly worthless.
>No shit it never went into production, it's a fricking moronic concept.
The modified yellow stock 870s are cool. Almost traded a Siaga for one and didn't. No ragrats.
It costs like 500 dollars a shell that's why it never entered production
How much were DVD players when they first entered the market and how much are they now?
Electronics are always expensive initially.
I bet if you check back issues the taser guns were expensive when they first became available too.
Battery issues can't be solved like that
>Electronics are always expensive initially.
Yes, but it takes very high demand to make them cheaper. DVD players had tons of demand because hundreds of millions of people worldwide wanted one. This does not have "hundreds of millions" of potential customers. It has a tiny fraction of that.
Also, let's not ignore the fact that tasers are are shitty on their own: sometimes they kill people and sometimes they don't work. And that's with the version the cop controls with their hand. This automated crap would be far worse.
>There are 17,985 police agencies in the United States which include local police departments, county sheriff's offices, state troopers, and federal law enforcement agencies.
How many units would they each purchase?
I'm with an 800 man department and we're still getting X26Ps.
The majority of those agencies are tiny ass town and rural departments that barely have enough money for cars, let alone $500 taser cartridges that you don't need because there's not a single black resident in your community
>still getting X26Ps
Get the T7, gramps. It WORKS.
Who the frick buys dvds now a days?
Nta, but i do..
>we dont want to spend 500 dollars to avoid millions in compo payout to Tyrones family
it's not like it comes out of their pockets. the police unions cover their asses, and the city pays the fees, often getting some back from insurance.
the city pays for the 500 taser shell too
better yet use a tracking dart to fallow the rat back to his hole.
That only works on israelites
>$500 a shell just to have to use guns to put him down anyway because tazers are useless.
>OP trying his hardest to be as caustic and argumentative as possible to keep the thread bumped
>tasers routinely fail to do anything to chimping out tyrones, ending with them getting shot anyway
>we sure are glad we expelled $500 over the <$100 cartridges for a real taser
Let's not forget that beanbag rounds are considerably cheaper and are already in use. These rounds would still be considered "less than lethal" which would make it dubious as to whether or not they're better than beanbags
>wears a thick coat
nothing personnel kid
it's human nature, we just love in a perverted way multiweapon weapons
>accidentally ruptures the lithium battery and is propelled from close range directly into the stomach cavity of a unarmed blackmen who did infact not did nothing, whom was simply runnin from a traffick stop due to his child support warrants
>think of the Taser shutgun
I enjoy the colour yellow
>shell
The technology is interesting
>think of it not going into production?
It angers and confuses me
>stopped by a thick sweater or loose shirt
Talking about Taser, Remember when they were going to make a Taser drone to fight against school shootings and they then cancelled it because most of their ethics board resigned in protest?
yeah, how are they gonna get gun control passed if they do something effective against barricaded suspects.
>plastic quad
>effective against barricaded suspect
Hope he didn't close the door.
>Protest
On what fricking grounds? Stun drones would be like the least awful thing in the cyberpunk future awaiting us.
>On what fricking grounds?
He invalidated the entire Ethics Board.
>they then cancelled it because most of their ethics board resigned in protest?
I remember. Did you also see Patrick's stock sale after?
IIRC one of the reasons it didn't take off was after an incident in Bongland (the whole Raoul Moat affair), one of these was deployed, they shot him with one while he was holding a sawn off 12 gauge to his head, causing him to tense up blow his head off. Following that they were withdrawn from service.
Might be fuddlore/I'm pulling this out of my ass, so don't quote me on it
Wasn't the issue with this ammunition primarily that it wouldn't properly cycle in shotguns that weren't specially made for it, hence its pairing with the Mossberg X12, which still had issues, and the like promised other forms of specialist ammunition for said X12, which wasn't even a proper shotgun, never materialized?
Most shotguns the coppers use are pump actions anyways for that reason.
Beanbags and other less-lethals dont cycle in semis either.
It would fire in any pump 12 gauge with a cylinder bore.
The Mossberg x12 had a different bolt so it could only fire the Xrep cartridge.
If you want non-lethal from a shotgun you have a lot of much cheaper and more reliable options.
It is obsolete. Of out production. Vintage NOS is not warrantied. Probable lawsuit for using expired stock. AND limited shelf life, so duds. But the modified custom 209 primers for the no gunpowder loads are cool to have. Also vintage NOS, but no real shelf life, so... there's that.
I've wondered if you could make something similar for a crossbow except definitely not non-lethal for hunting.
>Shoot durr or other animal that sometimes runs for a while after getting hit with taser broadhead bolt
>Immediately drops to the ground because now not only does it have a broadhead in the heart it also has a souped up taser in it too, either bleeds out in the usual time or, if you didn't get a good hit, you can quickly finish the stunned animal off instead of having it go running for ages bleeding slowly to death
And I suppose since it's a lethal weapon you'd crank up the juice so instead of a constant supply of low zap it's one mega zap that instantly knocks it out like what's used in slaughterhouses to stun pigs before they get the ol neck slice