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What does /k/ think of the Taser shutgun shell, and what does /k/ think of it not going into production?

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Pooh in the loooooooohh

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    In case you didn't know:
    Taser guns have a short range limited by the length of the electrode wires.
    The shotgun shell was to eliminate this problem by including its own power source allowing to be wire free.
    It was to be fired from modified shotguns that were rendered incompatible with regular shells to avoid confusing ammunition.
    Police departments declined to take them up because of the initial costs of units, shells, training shells, etc

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      How much did it weigh and what was its velocity? That can't have been very safe as a non-lethal. It's basically a heavier, more pointy less-lethal hard plastic round given what I imagine is the battery, PCB, capacitor and the copper wires weigh in that setup.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        weight*

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        are you not aware of the fact that you don't have to slam as much powder into a bullet or shell as possible?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          He's probably not aware that every TASER, except the XREP, is pnumatic.

          I'm with an 800 man department and we're still getting X26Ps.

          The majority of those agencies are tiny ass town and rural departments that barely have enough money for cars, let alone $500 taser cartridges that you don't need because there's not a single black resident in your community

          >$500 taser cartridges
          Cartridges are free, my man. It's the handle that costs.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >and what does /k/ think of it not going into production

      The taser incapacitating effect relies entirely on electric current flowing through large muscle groups between two probes, ideally as far away from each other as possible.
      If the probes are too close to each other, it won't do anything other than cause moderate pain. The closer, the less effective.
      This thing is basically a glorified stun gun (except worse and weaker) packed into a shotgun shell.
      No shit it never went into production, it's a fricking moronic concept.
      t. taser instructor

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Okay I looked further into it and it relied on the base falling off after the front embeds itself into the target, deploying its own electrodes in the form of long thin spikes and closing the circuit with the target's legs.
        That just sounds like a very poor and intermittent contact even if everything goes perfectly. No wonder it got shitcanned.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          They worked well but got shitcanned because of price.
          $3-400 per shot and they only had a two year shelf life. No departments were willing to spend that kind of money when a bean bag works at the same ranges.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I don't believe it worked well, I've seen what intermittent contact does when people wear baggy clothes and stuff.
            One second they're incapacitated, the next (when the dart loses contact with their skin) they lunge at you.
            Most of the time the perp just goes stiff and keels over when they're hit good, which would make the base of the projectile very likely to lose contact as well.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              There's not intermittent contact though. The impact drives the probes in. Secondary probes are located on the body of the projectile but are not required.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Secondary probes (...) are not required

                How the frick do you think a circuit works you mouth-breathing cretin

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                between the multiple probes on the impact face of the dart.
                The secondary spines on the body are for when they try to grab the thing and it can complete a larger circuit. They aren't required for it to work but do make it better if triggered.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >between the multiple probes on the impact face of the dart

                Physically incapable of causing NMI due to nil distance between probes = utterly worthless.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >No shit it never went into production, it's a fricking moronic concept.
        The modified yellow stock 870s are cool. Almost traded a Siaga for one and didn't. No ragrats.

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It costs like 500 dollars a shell that's why it never entered production

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      How much were DVD players when they first entered the market and how much are they now?
      Electronics are always expensive initially.
      I bet if you check back issues the taser guns were expensive when they first became available too.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Battery issues can't be solved like that

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Electronics are always expensive initially.
        Yes, but it takes very high demand to make them cheaper. DVD players had tons of demand because hundreds of millions of people worldwide wanted one. This does not have "hundreds of millions" of potential customers. It has a tiny fraction of that.

        Also, let's not ignore the fact that tasers are are shitty on their own: sometimes they kill people and sometimes they don't work. And that's with the version the cop controls with their hand. This automated crap would be far worse.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >There are 17,985 police agencies in the United States which include local police departments, county sheriff's offices, state troopers, and federal law enforcement agencies.
          How many units would they each purchase?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I'm with an 800 man department and we're still getting X26Ps.

            The majority of those agencies are tiny ass town and rural departments that barely have enough money for cars, let alone $500 taser cartridges that you don't need because there's not a single black resident in your community

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >still getting X26Ps
              Get the T7, gramps. It WORKS.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Who the frick buys dvds now a days?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Nta, but i do..

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >we dont want to spend 500 dollars to avoid millions in compo payout to Tyrones family

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        it's not like it comes out of their pockets. the police unions cover their asses, and the city pays the fees, often getting some back from insurance.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          the city pays for the 500 taser shell too

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        better yet use a tracking dart to fallow the rat back to his hole.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That only works on israelites

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >$500 a shell just to have to use guns to put him down anyway because tazers are useless.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >OP trying his hardest to be as caustic and argumentative as possible to keep the thread bumped

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >tasers routinely fail to do anything to chimping out tyrones, ending with them getting shot anyway
        >we sure are glad we expelled $500 over the <$100 cartridges for a real taser
        Let's not forget that beanbag rounds are considerably cheaper and are already in use. These rounds would still be considered "less than lethal" which would make it dubious as to whether or not they're better than beanbags

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >wears a thick coat
    nothing personnel kid

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it's human nature, we just love in a perverted way multiweapon weapons

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >accidentally ruptures the lithium battery and is propelled from close range directly into the stomach cavity of a unarmed blackmen who did infact not did nothing, whom was simply runnin from a traffick stop due to his child support warrants

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >think of the Taser shutgun
    I enjoy the colour yellow
    >shell
    The technology is interesting
    >think of it not going into production?
    It angers and confuses me

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >stopped by a thick sweater or loose shirt

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Talking about Taser, Remember when they were going to make a Taser drone to fight against school shootings and they then cancelled it because most of their ethics board resigned in protest?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      yeah, how are they gonna get gun control passed if they do something effective against barricaded suspects.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >plastic quad
        >effective against barricaded suspect
        Hope he didn't close the door.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Protest
      On what fricking grounds? Stun drones would be like the least awful thing in the cyberpunk future awaiting us.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >On what fricking grounds?
        He invalidated the entire Ethics Board.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >they then cancelled it because most of their ethics board resigned in protest?
      I remember. Did you also see Patrick's stock sale after?

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    IIRC one of the reasons it didn't take off was after an incident in Bongland (the whole Raoul Moat affair), one of these was deployed, they shot him with one while he was holding a sawn off 12 gauge to his head, causing him to tense up blow his head off. Following that they were withdrawn from service.
    Might be fuddlore/I'm pulling this out of my ass, so don't quote me on it

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Wasn't the issue with this ammunition primarily that it wouldn't properly cycle in shotguns that weren't specially made for it, hence its pairing with the Mossberg X12, which still had issues, and the like promised other forms of specialist ammunition for said X12, which wasn't even a proper shotgun, never materialized?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Most shotguns the coppers use are pump actions anyways for that reason.
      Beanbags and other less-lethals dont cycle in semis either.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It would fire in any pump 12 gauge with a cylinder bore.
      The Mossberg x12 had a different bolt so it could only fire the Xrep cartridge.

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If you want non-lethal from a shotgun you have a lot of much cheaper and more reliable options.

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It is obsolete. Of out production. Vintage NOS is not warrantied. Probable lawsuit for using expired stock. AND limited shelf life, so duds. But the modified custom 209 primers for the no gunpowder loads are cool to have. Also vintage NOS, but no real shelf life, so... there's that.

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I've wondered if you could make something similar for a crossbow except definitely not non-lethal for hunting.
    >Shoot durr or other animal that sometimes runs for a while after getting hit with taser broadhead bolt
    >Immediately drops to the ground because now not only does it have a broadhead in the heart it also has a souped up taser in it too, either bleeds out in the usual time or, if you didn't get a good hit, you can quickly finish the stunned animal off instead of having it go running for ages bleeding slowly to death

    And I suppose since it's a lethal weapon you'd crank up the juice so instead of a constant supply of low zap it's one mega zap that instantly knocks it out like what's used in slaughterhouses to stun pigs before they get the ol neck slice

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