He's right actually. The Baron's castle follows a Motte-and-Bailey design, and the Guédelon keep looks remarkably like that at the top of the Baron's scarp.
What you do is you build a million tiny castles that can be held by a couple dozen men against anything less than a thousand, and your enemy has to make the impossible decision to either put every single one of them to siege wasting time, food, money, speed, etc etc, or ignore them and let those twenty guys raid their supply lines with impunity.
What you do is you build a million tiny castles that can be held by a couple dozen men against anything less than a thousand, and your enemy has to make the impossible decision to either put every single one of them to siege wasting time, food, money, speed, etc etc, or ignore them and let those twenty guys raid their supply lines with impunity.
That's basically how England conquered and pacified Wales.
That's how you start, first you build wood manner house farmsteads
then build a palisade around them
then build a stone tower house
then replace the manor with a stone structure
Good shit. Its largely self-financing now, it offered new insights into how castles were built, and some of the workers consulted on the repairs to Notre-Dame because of the skills they learned. >pic unrelated
>What does /k/ think of Guédelon?
They've been constructing it for how many years and there is still a gap so large in the wall? Could they not have finished it before making the keep and towers, could they not have at least built makeshift fortifications to plug the gap? It is like they no longer even fear the English... and it will be their downfall.
They have taken longer than it originally would have because:
1) all the skills have had to be relearnt where as back then there would have been tradesmen and craftsmen already available for hire, back then there would have been operational quarries and blacksmiths and brick and tile works but they've had to build these on site and mine the stone and clay themselves, and you would have been able to call on your serfs feudal obligations for the manual labor where as everything here has been volunteer
2) half the day is spent stopping what they are doing to explain and demonstrate to tourists
The gap allows horse drawn carts to come into the courtyard to bring in supplies especially the stones and tiles
Try to find me a hemp rope with a certified working load.
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Isn't working load just a fraction of breaking load? Say 20% from what I'm seeing.
If that's the case you can easily find the breaking load for any given rope you can buy. Manila rope is still used for tons of things on ships, including hawsers.
Saw an interview with the head lady, she said something along the line, "we are trying to figure out how to a build a medieval castle not how many people die during the construction", so makes sense they would use modern ropes
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Leave it to contrarian polemics to harp over details that are critical to safety as not being "authentic"
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Is it a REAL medieval construction site of the workers aren't malnourished and ready to drop dead while getting stone though?
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the stone masons, blacksmiths, carpenters, etc would have all been well paid craftsmen
the lords serfs could be called upon to provide some of the labor they owed but they had countless rest and feast days through the year, plus if all their owed labor was put into the construction the lord would then have to pay them to work his fields
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here
it's one of the places I want to visit for sure
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But how are we supposed to figure out how many peasants die to make a castle?
They have taken longer than it originally would have because:
1) all the skills have had to be relearnt where as back then there would have been tradesmen and craftsmen already available for hire, back then there would have been operational quarries and blacksmiths and brick and tile works but they've had to build these on site and mine the stone and clay themselves, and you would have been able to call on your serfs feudal obligations for the manual labor where as everything here has been volunteer
2) half the day is spent stopping what they are doing to explain and demonstrate to tourists
The gap allows horse drawn carts to come into the courtyard to bring in supplies especially the stones and tiles
>What does /k/ think of Guédelon?
They've been constructing it for how many years and there is still a gap so large in the wall? Could they not have finished it before making the keep and towers, could they not have at least built makeshift fortifications to plug the gap? It is like they no longer even fear the English... and it will be their downfall.
Florien (the head foreman, I think) said they have taken longer to build it than historical castles, but this was partly intentional to draw out the building process and gain more experimental value.
They didn't want a medieval castle, there are already plenty of those. They wanted a medieval construction site.
Single-handedly keeping traditional architecture alive in France. I hope the people who built it move on to inspire new projects and make new beautiful things.
it was common to keep a flock of geese around a medieval manor for security, they are very territorial and will honk at any intruders raising the alarm and even attack
>it was common to keep a flock of geese around a medieval manor for security,
This is almost right, the rich people who lived in manors would generally have dogs for this purpose, geese were more of a peasant guard animal because they are more self sufficient and depending on the time and place it was illegal for commoners to have dogs.
Serious question: will this project have to go on FOREVER?
It's an impressive project but it's gimmick is obviously that it's being constructed using contemporary methods... well what are they supposed to do once the castle has reached a status of completedness?
Extend it? The gimmick is that it's under construction, otherwise it's just another castle but without any medieval history behind it. They have to keep building it forever and in a thousand years time the entire region will be absorbed by the never-ending castle.
>what are they supposed to do once the castle has reached a status of completedness?
Idea A: Built an entire medieval town near the castle, try to simulate the medieval life of the time.
Idea B: Destroy the castle by simulating a mediaval battle and a siege, once destroyed rebuild it, keep repeating the cycle forever.
It's basically experimental archeology. They mostly work during spring and summer nothing during fall and winter.
It's pozzed by a lot leftists civil servant or former.
It'll never be finished
>literally the red baron's castle in Velen
9/10 best questline in yurope
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Uma
Not sure what's shittier, that castle or Keira ditching your ass.
He's right actually. The Baron's castle follows a Motte-and-Bailey design, and the Guédelon keep looks remarkably like that at the top of the Baron's scarp.
Eh...maybe once but all those wooden replacement parts and the square towers rather than Guedelon's round towers really sets them apart.
looks nothing alike
Speak American, gayit
silence knave
cozy and rustic
looks uncomfy and dull
>my ladies can dost believeth there truly are knyghts who keep an abode such as this?
> fortified farm house
> castle
French people
True castles are more functional, not dainty disney shit like you're accustomed to
What you do is you build a million tiny castles that can be held by a couple dozen men against anything less than a thousand, and your enemy has to make the impossible decision to either put every single one of them to siege wasting time, food, money, speed, etc etc, or ignore them and let those twenty guys raid their supply lines with impunity.
That's basically how England conquered and pacified Wales.
That's how you start, first you build wood manner house farmsteads
then build a palisade around them
then build a stone tower house
then replace the manor with a stone structure
Looks comfy and it makes me want to go back to university and finish up my degree because experimental archeology and related shit is neat as frick.
Good shit. Its largely self-financing now, it offered new insights into how castles were built, and some of the workers consulted on the repairs to Notre-Dame because of the skills they learned.
>pic unrelated
It can be done therefore the /k/astle shall be built one day dubs confirm
there have been two attempts at doing the same thing in the US but they both stopped after just doing the foundations
The documentary series on it was very comfy.
Imagine climbing the highest point of that tower and humping a maidservant while looking down on all the people beneath you.
>What does /k/ think of Guédelon?
They've been constructing it for how many years and there is still a gap so large in the wall? Could they not have finished it before making the keep and towers, could they not have at least built makeshift fortifications to plug the gap? It is like they no longer even fear the English... and it will be their downfall.
They have taken longer than it originally would have because:
1) all the skills have had to be relearnt where as back then there would have been tradesmen and craftsmen already available for hire, back then there would have been operational quarries and blacksmiths and brick and tile works but they've had to build these on site and mine the stone and clay themselves, and you would have been able to call on your serfs feudal obligations for the manual labor where as everything here has been volunteer
2) half the day is spent stopping what they are doing to explain and demonstrate to tourists
The gap allows horse drawn carts to come into the courtyard to bring in supplies especially the stones and tiles
Also they're possibly slowed down by modern occupational health and safety rules.
Or maybe sped up because they're workers are in better condition?
there are no hardhats or hivis
medieval construction sites did use scaffolding and nets and they appear to only be doing that
They are using modern ropes in their treadwheels.
the original would have been hemp and superior
Try to find me a hemp rope with a certified working load.
Isn't working load just a fraction of breaking load? Say 20% from what I'm seeing.
If that's the case you can easily find the breaking load for any given rope you can buy. Manila rope is still used for tons of things on ships, including hawsers.
Saw an interview with the head lady, she said something along the line, "we are trying to figure out how to a build a medieval castle not how many people die during the construction", so makes sense they would use modern ropes
Leave it to contrarian polemics to harp over details that are critical to safety as not being "authentic"
Is it a REAL medieval construction site of the workers aren't malnourished and ready to drop dead while getting stone though?
the stone masons, blacksmiths, carpenters, etc would have all been well paid craftsmen
the lords serfs could be called upon to provide some of the labor they owed but they had countless rest and feast days through the year, plus if all their owed labor was put into the construction the lord would then have to pay them to work his fields
here
it's one of the places I want to visit for sure
But how are we supposed to figure out how many peasants die to make a castle?
Florien (the head foreman, I think) said they have taken longer to build it than historical castles, but this was partly intentional to draw out the building process and gain more experimental value.
They didn't want a medieval castle, there are already plenty of those. They wanted a medieval construction site.
Its deceptive in OP's photo, but there is actually a fairly significant drop at that edge there. The bridge isn't for nothing.
Single-handedly keeping traditional architecture alive in France. I hope the people who built it move on to inspire new projects and make new beautiful things.
>get in
it was common to keep a flock of geese around a medieval manor for security, they are very territorial and will honk at any intruders raising the alarm and even attack
>it was common to keep a flock of geese around a medieval manor for security,
This is almost right, the rich people who lived in manors would generally have dogs for this purpose, geese were more of a peasant guard animal because they are more self sufficient and depending on the time and place it was illegal for commoners to have dogs.
Its illegal to gave dogs?
Man you can't have anything in this medieval shithole.
Now I want an RPG where you try and sneak into an enemy castle and one of the obstacles to avoid are the geese and other aggressive farm animals.
Serious question: will this project have to go on FOREVER?
It's an impressive project but it's gimmick is obviously that it's being constructed using contemporary methods... well what are they supposed to do once the castle has reached a status of completedness?
Extend it? The gimmick is that it's under construction, otherwise it's just another castle but without any medieval history behind it. They have to keep building it forever and in a thousand years time the entire region will be absorbed by the never-ending castle.
build a village
take over france
reconquor the holy land
>well what are they supposed to do once the castle has reached a status of completedness?
Hang out in and admire the cool castle. Castles are cool
It's obviously the start of Castle Gormenghast.
>what are they supposed to do once the castle has reached a status of completedness?
Idea A: Built an entire medieval town near the castle, try to simulate the medieval life of the time.
Idea B: Destroy the castle by simulating a mediaval battle and a siege, once destroyed rebuild it, keep repeating the cycle forever.
Inverse Satan confirms the castle will be put to the test
Hold feasts and LARP events. Document it all and use its knowledge to unlock mysteries of other sites.
It's basically experimental archeology. They mostly work during spring and summer nothing during fall and winter.
It's pozzed by a lot leftists civil servant or former.
It'll never be finished
Bumo
Ever since I discovered this project's existence I've thought it was really cool. I appreciate an authentic project of this scale.
Great demonstration piece for medieval building practices. I like to reference it whenever possible.
what book or manuscript are they referencing for the building techniques?
cool, i want one
Not to shabby, would hold against an army of deadites.
It's proof of the fact that sometimes we can have nice things.
Reminds me that someone needs to remake that shit movie "Timeline". This would be a decent location.
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