I know it's hard to believe but Kimber was once a well respected company who made really nice guns. Their .22 rifles were especially highly regarded. Then Cohen took over and crashed the company with no survivors. They still haven't recovered from it. I expect the same thing will happen to Sig.
I doubt the same thing will happen to Sig, because they built up such a huge fanbase. Kimber sold 1911s to boomers who already wanted a 1911, but Sig got turned into a lifestyle brand that attracted the bearded sheepdawg suburbanite at the perfect time. I think a lot of people realize that Sig products are average at best, but most people don't put in the minimum amount of research to realize that, so it's going to be a while before Sig feels any consequences for their QC failures.
And even then p320 lower frame is interchangeable quite easily and the action itself looks like undamaged so just swap out lower frame and you good to go
Judging by the fricked up side with crushed rock marks all over it completely unrelated to a kaboom it was intentionally run over by a truck on gravel.
Out of battery seems the most plausible, the dirt and scuffs on the slide might just be where it landed. I'm trying to figure out how a modern striker fired gun has an out of battery.
Does the P320 not have a striker block like all the other guns? The little cylinder with the cutout in it that gets pushed up by the trigger bar when you squeeze the trigger?
There is actually a settlement after a trial demonstrated that the p320 can indeed fire out of battery, but you are not allowed to criticize SIG online
Good lord this guy talks like he's that one guy that makes a thread talking about siggers once a month. I swear to god I think he might've made this thread.
>scuff marks on the front of the slide/frame >no visible damage to the barrel or trigger group/chassis thing
Probably something involving running it over/dropping it from a moving vehicle like the picture of an HK broken in a similar way from years ago.
>israelite makes guns to the cheapest degree possible while charging higher end duty gun prices >Blames the goyim he hired and not his semitic practices
Somehow Ruger 10/22s don't have the same problem despite being built nearby
nice boomer meme, do you also ride your fricking horse to work every morning because historically they've won more wars then cars have?
sometimes I wonder if like 10% of this board is populated by failed suicide attempts that didnt manage to blow out their brains entirely and just keep posting
Son, us boomers are why you still have a country to post in.
>do you also ride your fricking horse to work every morning because historically they've won more wars then cars have?
Some of us do.... 78 Mustang...
>sometimes I wonder if like 10% of this board is populated by failed suicide attempts that didnt manage to blow out their brains entirely and just keep posting
I was too busy blowing my "load" inside of your mother. So be a good son and show up for Easter next year, okay?
“A Pint of Sweat Will Save a Gallon of Blood.” - General George S. Patton
"Most people work just hard enough not to get fired and get paid just enough money not to quit." - George Carlin
So explain how. Because you do realize that polymer is just a form of plastic, right? I wouldn't trust my life with it, I don't even use pmags for my AR.
I'm not all boomer takes anon, just some of them. For example, I think pistol calibers mostly don't matter in terms of ballistics and we should have more .32 calibers because you could fit a frickton of them into a mag of the size that would hold like 15-17 rounds of 9mm.
Its a well documented issue with magazines, particularly the feed lips on aluminum AR mags or springfield XD mags (among many others) when dropped while loaded. A pmag is won't bend and won't break as easily as an aluminum mag will bend, and if there is anything wrong with the feed lips of a pmag it will be pretty evident because they will be missing.
>when dropped while loaded
I hate to sound like this, but maybe don't drop it while loaded? >particularly the feed lips on aluminum AR mags
In any case, damn, maybe I really should've gotten the steel mags. I was worried about fricking rusting at the time and rationalized that aluminum was what Stoner intended anyway. Surely the steel ones won't do that as easy.
I remember Iraqiveteran8888 shilling for the SYYC pistols by throwing one off a two story roof and by running it over multiple times with a truck. Haven't Glocks been thrown out of planes and still worked?
Can you imagine how much easier it would be to ban guns if they were more likely (or perceived to be more likely) to catastrophically fail and maim their users? ha ha crazy right
Steel parts fail too but in different ways, Ive seen cracked parts but usually it takes longer to show up. Happens a lot when people frick with recoil springs.
Buy good steel. By it's very nature steel will always be stronger than polymer, it's not going to do that unless you really go out of your way to frick with it.
What gun is that anyway? Some turkshit 1911 or something?
I prefer the stronger material that can be had at the same price.
The way I see it, the main use polymer has is to be "disposable" in a sense. In the military sense, pistols are sidearms that aren't really expected to be used that much, the rifle is where it's at. A rifle is always going to be a better weapon than a pistol. Couple this with modern armies heaping ever more heavy shit on their troops to carry and you realize why they obsess over the weight thing.
For your average civilian, you won't be hauling hundreds of pounds of crap on your back even in a SHTF situation. As long as you're not skin and bones, steel isn't an inconvenience to carry. Buy good steel and it'll easily outlast polymer.
Also muh octagonal rifling.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Polymer is a better material overall, not just in weight.
1 year ago
Anonymous
So explain how. Because you do realize that polymer is just a form of plastic, right? I wouldn't trust my life with it, I don't even use pmags for my AR.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>you do realize that polymer is just a form of plastic
And? That's a good thing. Plastic is immune to most forms of corrosion. Plastic can withstand deformation without being permanently crushed or bent out of shape, this is an especially big deal with magazine feed lips. Plastic doesn't transfer heat from the environment or from the hot parts of the gun.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Most of these are literal non-issues. >Plastic can withstand deformation without being permanently crushed or bent out of shape
What? Metal by it's nature can be reshaped if need be. Perhaps not with your hands, given that it's too strong for that, but it could be done with tools. Even then, if something's strong enough to frick up your gun that much, then you're probably not even alive anymore, assuming you were holding it when that happened. What kind of stress crumples steel or bends it all out of whack and doesn't mean you've been killed or critically injured? All I can think of is extreme forces like a bomb blast or something.
As for the magazine thing, the main reason I use aluminum mags over pmags for my AR is precisely because I looked into the durability of each. Pmags seem to have some more issues with feed lips in particular.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>What kind of stress crumples steel or bends it all out of whack and doesn't mean you've been killed or critically injured?
Dropping onto a rock.
1 year ago
Anonymous
I kinda doubt that would do it, at least in any way that would actually damage the gun. I've had my carry gun flung from the seat of my car hard when I've had to slam on my brakes, and it's just fine. I drop my guns a fair amount too because butterfingers, and the most they've gotten has been a cosmetic scratch every now and then. I'll admit I haven't dropped one on an actual rock yet (at least that I can remember), but I think I may have dropped one on concrete once. It was fine.
No NDs though, before that one copypasta gets posted.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Its a well documented issue with magazines, particularly the feed lips on aluminum AR mags or springfield XD mags (among many others) when dropped while loaded. A pmag is won't bend and won't break as easily as an aluminum mag will bend, and if there is anything wrong with the feed lips of a pmag it will be pretty evident because they will be missing.
>weight
For fricking real. Any homosexual not in legitimately military training or in an active combat zone yammering about muh fricking weight are LARPing. Oh God, this light adds 1 solitary fricking ounce to the gun. So stupid. Like you said, go work out you lanky pussies.
That has nothing to do with the Hegelian dialectic. And nothing to do with Marxist dialectic materialism either.
Whats all this Hegel shit lately, it's bizarre, has an alt right idiot farted out a TikTok or something?
There was an idiot claiming everyone should read Hegel recently. When I pressed him for what people would learn from basically dull treatises on metaphysics even philosophers of metaphysics find boring, no answer came. Next day "Bro, read Hegel if you want to understand gubermint gun control lmao"
>pic
The whole point is that a lot of that knowledge was lost after the Great War, Caesar knows as much as the Followers do, and they still know more than other, more recent academic institutions like OSI do.
In short, the knowledge was forever lost. What they have left was cobbled together from whatever shit they could find.
People took Hegel's works and basically attributed them to accelerationist leftoids that believe in making capitalism so unbearable for the average person that it will bring true gommunism or some shit. Pic related kind of gets at what I mean. Its the pseudo intellectual's current attempts to describe the moronation of the far left that falls flat once you realize leftists are just genuinely moronic and will justify any means that they think will achieve utopian ends.
>Its the pseudo intellectual's current attempts to describe the moronation of the far left that falls flat once you realize leftists are just genuinely moronic and will justify any means that they think will achieve utopian ends
The true reason why communism doesn't work imho is that they try to overcome dialectics in the end. Which is completely moronic if you take dialectics serious in the first place
Either it was run over by a truck or they were shooting reloads that were loaded pissing hot or had a projectile that wasn't seated properly, causing the case to not be fully supported. The M17 was designed to shoot 147gr Winchester M1153, which is loaded to 39k-40k PSI (above SAAMI spec for 9mm +P).
Out of battery seems the most plausible, the dirt and scuffs on the slide might just be where it landed. I'm trying to figure out how a modern striker fired gun has an out of battery.
Does the P320 not have a striker block like all the other guns? The little cylinder with the cutout in it that gets pushed up by the trigger bar when you squeeze the trigger?
>scuff marks on the front of the slide/frame >no visible damage to the barrel or trigger group/chassis thing
Probably something involving running it over/dropping it from a moving vehicle like the picture of an HK broken in a similar way from years ago.
SIG gets bought by Luke and Ortmeier Group. A firm founded by two guys from the textile industry >closes German production >all activity moved to new sites in tax advantageous areas (the US) >P250 is a turd >P320 drop safety >MCX rifle binding springs breakage and locking up the gun >P365 firing pin drag and trigger return spring breaking >P365 slide peened by barrel >Cross fires when on safe >716 and M400 trigger recall due to safety >Colored finishes on all guns are weak and flaky >P322 has barrel leading and dimension problems >P320 keeps going off in the holster
SIG Sauer is the new freedom group and the products they're putting out are rush jobs with garbage QA/QC. SIG simps will deny this just like Big Green's fanboys did at first, but it's the immutable truth.
Good grief...I hadn't heard about all the others. Glad the only Sig I ever owned was an older p226 tacops. Kinda regret selling it. Are the new production 226's still a safe bet?
Why is it that we're arguing over a shitty Twitter post made in bad faith? The guy broke the frame himself through dubious means and half of you guys are thinking it's yet another "gotcha!" moment.
Is this the new age of influencers conducting social media warfare?
>get under the table off from FN >"take zees $16000 and buy ze new Sig, oui?" >okay then what? >"zen you blow it up, run it over with le truck or demolish it with le hammer, mon ami!" >why? >"hon hon hon, stop asking ztupid questions and just post ze result on your instragramme! keep the rest of ze money, here's another $5000 now go and get to work"
Let's be real, this shit has happened for years now, in every industry. >manufactured video game "scandals" >ice cream etc with planted wienerroaches or worms in them >phones that have allegedly exploded when it's clear they've been blown up on purpose >fakefluencers reporting cars for damages that haven't occured naturally or due to normal use
Social media has become a battlefield for corporations to shit over each other and the arms industry is no exception there.
0% chance this was an OOB or any other failure resulting from firing
The FCU is spotless and the slide is still fully on the rails, you never see that in pistol kabooms
It seems like newer made guns in the last five or so years just aren't as good in one way or another. The design is bad, or the materials were cheaper out on, or the finish isn't as good as older models. For example the glock on the left is a second gen Gen 3 17(after they swapped from the black tender finish to the grey phosphate(I think) finish, and right is a Gen 5 17. The Gen 3 has 1200 rounds on it, the Gen 5 had 500 on it at the time but is marked up more than the older glock with over double the round count.
People who say that Sig P320s are destined to fail are idiots. Real Sig P320s have never been tried before; all of the previous Sig "P320" were not actually really current production Sig P320s. It is really absurd to believe that millions of P320s are hand grenades ready to explode when you try to chamber a round or jostle the gun with a round in the chamber. In a modern production Sig P320, all these problems were fixed with a thousand undocumented iterations, if you just keep buying Sig P320s you might have a safe gun eventually.
>Real Sig P320s have never been tried before; all of the previous Sig "P320" were not actually really current production Sig P320s.
Yeah real P320 aren't even built by Sig unlike later production models which are not build by Sig US but on the other hand also not by Sig Europe. Also Sig doesn't even produce handgrenades so stating that is obviously stupid and may lead to false conclusions regarding the real P320 of the latest production. The earlyer models may or may not have a pull-pin but the undocumented iterations this Anon is talking about changed that completely. So whether your P320 is safe can easily be seen either by the existence or absence of a pin depending on the year of production. From my experience less P320s have exploded than elsewhere so I wouldn't worry unless I you bought your P320 on a tuesday or if it's one made by Sig. Those are also the highest quality builds you shouldn't worry about.
Does Sig even produce anything that ACTUALLY competes with the Gen5 Glocks and M&P2.0?
Seems like they're a substandard brand who just have really good marketing department + a sprinkling of corruption to get them contracts.
>sig = used to be german company
>new CEO, Cohen
I think revenge for Holocaust. Written and Directed by Quentin Tarantino.
meds
It's a joke, moron.
Jews can't take those.
Sneed
Sneed!
I wish I could see your Israeli flag on this board.
this and
>GOOD MORNING SIR PLEASE DO NOT REDEEM THE MIM PARTS SIR, PLEASE DO NOT THE LOADING OF +P+ ROUNDS IN OF THE MIM SIG SIR THANKYOU
I know it's hard to believe but Kimber was once a well respected company who made really nice guns. Their .22 rifles were especially highly regarded. Then Cohen took over and crashed the company with no survivors. They still haven't recovered from it. I expect the same thing will happen to Sig.
I doubt the same thing will happen to Sig, because they built up such a huge fanbase. Kimber sold 1911s to boomers who already wanted a 1911, but Sig got turned into a lifestyle brand that attracted the bearded sheepdawg suburbanite at the perfect time. I think a lot of people realize that Sig products are average at best, but most people don't put in the minimum amount of research to realize that, so it's going to be a while before Sig feels any consequences for their QC failures.
Very true. SIG is doing the Harley-Davidson. If they could, they would have Ford making SIG edition pickups that costs $120k
I remember going to the Dallas Safari Club back in 2008. Kimber had a BUSY booth. This year? Maybe 4-5 diehard fudds
>take gun
>break it on purpose
>post a pic on the gram for fame
How feasible is it to "break a gun"?
as feasible as it is to own a hammer
100% ammo or if not that user modification. one plastic frame out of a million doesnt just break
And even then p320 lower frame is interchangeable quite easily and the action itself looks like undamaged so just swap out lower frame and you good to go
I wouldn't bet on it. Thin bits of shitty sheet steel bend pretty easily.
the lower frame is the gun. it's not that easy to just 'replace the lower' in the US. you might as well just buy a new pistol altogether
not for the p320
don't listen to those other anons, it was 100% ghosts. this is what happens if you don't get your gun blessed by a holy official.
I do this just in case some weird shit happens and I need to deal holy damage. You can never be too prepared.
If I need to deal holey damage I just go with hollow points
>MUH GHOST OF KIEV!
ahhh because when an official sigger ghost is in, it shoots itself right?
Judging by the fricked up side with crushed rock marks all over it completely unrelated to a kaboom it was intentionally run over by a truck on gravel.
Out of battery seems the most plausible, the dirt and scuffs on the slide might just be where it landed. I'm trying to figure out how a modern striker fired gun has an out of battery.
Does the P320 not have a striker block like all the other guns? The little cylinder with the cutout in it that gets pushed up by the trigger bar when you squeeze the trigger?
It does but it's not a cylinder it's a stamped sheet metal blade with a hook on the end that drops out of the way when depressed.
An aftermarket barrel that doesn't fully lock up from lack of/poor gunsmithing can fire out of battery.
There is actually a settlement after a trial demonstrated that the p320 can indeed fire out of battery, but you are not allowed to criticize SIG online
Anon are you time traveling or something
not even a sigger but why does it look like anything but an actual explosion happened to it? it's almost like someone intentionally broke the polymer
A car or truck ran it over. internet brownie points hungry people love stirring shit.
There are no powder/burn marks, the gun looks like it's never been shot
Good catch
good whack with a sledge followed by some prying
autism
dropped it (under a semi)
acetone exposure.
>fcu still intact
Through it in another hunk of plastic or aluminum just like how it was intended. If this was a wiener itd be completely fricked.
>gun exploded, possibly from OOB detonatio
>"welp, second try's the charm!"
Gun definitely didn't explode.
liquid nitrogen is my preferred sig disposal method
Good lord this guy talks like he's that one guy that makes a thread talking about siggers once a month. I swear to god I think he might've made this thread.
Meds
If there's a new thread every month it's because of a new issue every month
It’s over, sig sisters
>scuff marks on the front of the slide/frame
>no visible damage to the barrel or trigger group/chassis thing
Probably something involving running it over/dropping it from a moving vehicle like the picture of an HK broken in a similar way from years ago.
>gun explodes
>never tells you what mystery ammo they put in it
Many such cases
PISSIN HOT
>0 damage to FCU or slide
>only grip is broken
(x) doubt
Well, it's called Exeter-shit for a reason. Silly of us to think that a couple of government contracts would get them to clean up their act.
the guy broke the frame himself with a truck or something. Get a grip
>Get a grip
What kind of grips do you have in mind? Wilson Combat's look pretty cool.
Wilson combat grips are very good
>israelite makes guns to the cheapest degree possible while charging higher end duty gun prices
>Blames the goyim he hired and not his semitic practices
Somehow Ruger 10/22s don't have the same problem despite being built nearby
Meds
>Muh Exeter
Sigs are and always were trash. The designs are inherently bad with few good ones.
none of the pressure bearing components are broken or have any visible damage, like others have said the moron probably ran it over
Looks like a big hammer or something, I guess he was too much of a pussy to put a compressed load of titegroup in it like usual.
More proof that 1911 is all you need.
nice boomer meme, do you also ride your fricking horse to work every morning because historically they've won more wars then cars have?
sometimes I wonder if like 10% of this board is populated by failed suicide attempts that didnt manage to blow out their brains entirely and just keep posting
It's a joke moron. Hell some it "insulted" Glock I'd assume your a Glock fanboy based off of this response.
imagine going ballistic over a literal facebook meme lmao
b***h your gun aint won 2 world wars shut up
>nice boomer meme
Son, us boomers are why you still have a country to post in.
>do you also ride your fricking horse to work every morning because historically they've won more wars then cars have?
Some of us do.... 78 Mustang...
>sometimes I wonder if like 10% of this board is populated by failed suicide attempts that didnt manage to blow out their brains entirely and just keep posting
I was too busy blowing my "load" inside of your mother. So be a good son and show up for Easter next year, okay?
“A Pint of Sweat Will Save a Gallon of Blood.” - General George S. Patton
"Most people work just hard enough not to get fired and get paid just enough money not to quit." - George Carlin
Had me until the quotes, quality post anon
Now this is a true boomer take
I'm not all boomer takes anon, just some of them. For example, I think pistol calibers mostly don't matter in terms of ballistics and we should have more .32 calibers because you could fit a frickton of them into a mag of the size that would hold like 15-17 rounds of 9mm.
>when dropped while loaded
I hate to sound like this, but maybe don't drop it while loaded?
>particularly the feed lips on aluminum AR mags
In any case, damn, maybe I really should've gotten the steel mags. I was worried about fricking rusting at the time and rationalized that aluminum was what Stoner intended anyway. Surely the steel ones won't do that as easy.
>us boomers are why you still have a country to post in
That was your parents. Boomers didn't do shit except lose Vietnam.
They sold America out to israelites and foreign interestes and crashed the global economy so those are definitely some great achievements.
malding status: gigamalding
bussy status: torn apart
Either someone used that gun as a hammer or drove a car over it.
I remember Iraqiveteran8888 shilling for the SYYC pistols by throwing one off a two story roof and by running it over multiple times with a truck. Haven't Glocks been thrown out of planes and still worked?
SCCY*
meds
Funny how the one blaming an entire group of people for poor quality gets upset when its turned on them.
Daily reminder that the m17/m18 had to be reinforced to withstand NATO spec ammunition and the has different non reinforced internals
>and the has different non reinforced internals
And the what?
The p320 I assume, I have seen pictures of side by side slides and they are pretty different
Can you imagine how much easier it would be to ban guns if they were more likely (or perceived to be more likely) to catastrophically fail and maim their users? ha ha crazy right
Polymer: not even once
That's why I don't like polymer, I trust only in steel. Steel wouldn't do that.
>inb4 weight
Lift
Steel parts fail too but in different ways, Ive seen cracked parts but usually it takes longer to show up. Happens a lot when people frick with recoil springs.
Sure it wouldn't
>steel
that's some chinkshit tinpot alloy
>n-no, that doesn't count its the wrong alloy!
And Sig is using the wrong polymer formulation. The same argument works both ways.
Buy good steel. By it's very nature steel will always be stronger than polymer, it's not going to do that unless you really go out of your way to frick with it.
What gun is that anyway? Some turkshit 1911 or something?
Buy good polymer.
I prefer the stronger material that can be had at the same price.
The way I see it, the main use polymer has is to be "disposable" in a sense. In the military sense, pistols are sidearms that aren't really expected to be used that much, the rifle is where it's at. A rifle is always going to be a better weapon than a pistol. Couple this with modern armies heaping ever more heavy shit on their troops to carry and you realize why they obsess over the weight thing.
For your average civilian, you won't be hauling hundreds of pounds of crap on your back even in a SHTF situation. As long as you're not skin and bones, steel isn't an inconvenience to carry. Buy good steel and it'll easily outlast polymer.
Also muh octagonal rifling.
Polymer is a better material overall, not just in weight.
So explain how. Because you do realize that polymer is just a form of plastic, right? I wouldn't trust my life with it, I don't even use pmags for my AR.
>you do realize that polymer is just a form of plastic
And? That's a good thing. Plastic is immune to most forms of corrosion. Plastic can withstand deformation without being permanently crushed or bent out of shape, this is an especially big deal with magazine feed lips. Plastic doesn't transfer heat from the environment or from the hot parts of the gun.
Most of these are literal non-issues.
>Plastic can withstand deformation without being permanently crushed or bent out of shape
What? Metal by it's nature can be reshaped if need be. Perhaps not with your hands, given that it's too strong for that, but it could be done with tools. Even then, if something's strong enough to frick up your gun that much, then you're probably not even alive anymore, assuming you were holding it when that happened. What kind of stress crumples steel or bends it all out of whack and doesn't mean you've been killed or critically injured? All I can think of is extreme forces like a bomb blast or something.
As for the magazine thing, the main reason I use aluminum mags over pmags for my AR is precisely because I looked into the durability of each. Pmags seem to have some more issues with feed lips in particular.
>What kind of stress crumples steel or bends it all out of whack and doesn't mean you've been killed or critically injured?
Dropping onto a rock.
I kinda doubt that would do it, at least in any way that would actually damage the gun. I've had my carry gun flung from the seat of my car hard when I've had to slam on my brakes, and it's just fine. I drop my guns a fair amount too because butterfingers, and the most they've gotten has been a cosmetic scratch every now and then. I'll admit I haven't dropped one on an actual rock yet (at least that I can remember), but I think I may have dropped one on concrete once. It was fine.
No NDs though, before that one copypasta gets posted.
Its a well documented issue with magazines, particularly the feed lips on aluminum AR mags or springfield XD mags (among many others) when dropped while loaded. A pmag is won't bend and won't break as easily as an aluminum mag will bend, and if there is anything wrong with the feed lips of a pmag it will be pretty evident because they will be missing.
That's cast garbage alloy not steel you stupid non-metal-recognizing non-grain structure-recognizing porch primate.
>weight
For fricking real. Any homosexual not in legitimately military training or in an active combat zone yammering about muh fricking weight are LARPing. Oh God, this light adds 1 solitary fricking ounce to the gun. So stupid. Like you said, go work out you lanky pussies.
That has nothing to do with the Hegelian dialectic. And nothing to do with Marxist dialectic materialism either.
Whats all this Hegel shit lately, it's bizarre, has an alt right idiot farted out a TikTok or something?
There was an idiot claiming everyone should read Hegel recently. When I pressed him for what people would learn from basically dull treatises on metaphysics even philosophers of metaphysics find boring, no answer came. Next day "Bro, read Hegel if you want to understand gubermint gun control lmao"
Anon speaks truth.
>pic
The whole point is that a lot of that knowledge was lost after the Great War, Caesar knows as much as the Followers do, and they still know more than other, more recent academic institutions like OSI do.
In short, the knowledge was forever lost. What they have left was cobbled together from whatever shit they could find.
>can't spell immanent
320k well spent.
People took Hegel's works and basically attributed them to accelerationist leftoids that believe in making capitalism so unbearable for the average person that it will bring true gommunism or some shit. Pic related kind of gets at what I mean. Its the pseudo intellectual's current attempts to describe the moronation of the far left that falls flat once you realize leftists are just genuinely moronic and will justify any means that they think will achieve utopian ends.
>Its the pseudo intellectual's current attempts to describe the moronation of the far left that falls flat once you realize leftists are just genuinely moronic and will justify any means that they think will achieve utopian ends
The true reason why communism doesn't work imho is that they try to overcome dialectics in the end. Which is completely moronic if you take dialectics serious in the first place
not him but you are indeed a sad individual
NTA but you need to leave PrepHole amd go back to your normalgay shithole
Either it was run over by a truck or they were shooting reloads that were loaded pissing hot or had a projectile that wasn't seated properly, causing the case to not be fully supported. The M17 was designed to shoot 147gr Winchester M1153, which is loaded to 39k-40k PSI (above SAAMI spec for 9mm +P).
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2021/03/31/us-armys-new-m1153-special-purpose-9mm-hollow-point-ammo-tested/
The M17 weights like two ounces more than the p320 though, precisely because the p320 can't take those pressures
But the one in the OP pic is the Xfive, right? I thought those were beefed up too.
SIG gets bought by Luke and Ortmeier Group. A firm founded by two guys from the textile industry
>closes German production
>all activity moved to new sites in tax advantageous areas (the US)
>P250 is a turd
>P320 drop safety
>MCX rifle binding springs breakage and locking up the gun
>P365 firing pin drag and trigger return spring breaking
>P365 slide peened by barrel
>Cross fires when on safe
>716 and M400 trigger recall due to safety
>Colored finishes on all guns are weak and flaky
>P322 has barrel leading and dimension problems
>P320 keeps going off in the holster
SIG Sauer is the new freedom group and the products they're putting out are rush jobs with garbage QA/QC. SIG simps will deny this just like Big Green's fanboys did at first, but it's the immutable truth.
Good grief...I hadn't heard about all the others. Glad the only Sig I ever owned was an older p226 tacops. Kinda regret selling it. Are the new production 226's still a safe bet?
P365 issues have been ironed out for a long time and is great in spite of Sig.
>but you aren't really wrong.
Just proves further to never buy gen 1~2 of any sig line, guaranteed product tester.
Remember when all content on PrepHole wasn't just screenshots of tweets? Those were the days huh?
Too much masturbation, not enough gripzone tm
Why is it that we're arguing over a shitty Twitter post made in bad faith? The guy broke the frame himself through dubious means and half of you guys are thinking it's yet another "gotcha!" moment.
Because American SIG fricking sucks and the P320 is a shit cheap gun.
Is this the new age of influencers conducting social media warfare?
>get under the table off from FN
>"take zees $16000 and buy ze new Sig, oui?"
>okay then what?
>"zen you blow it up, run it over with le truck or demolish it with le hammer, mon ami!"
>why?
>"hon hon hon, stop asking ztupid questions and just post ze result on your instragramme! keep the rest of ze money, here's another $5000 now go and get to work"
Let's be real, this shit has happened for years now, in every industry.
>manufactured video game "scandals"
>ice cream etc with planted wienerroaches or worms in them
>phones that have allegedly exploded when it's clear they've been blown up on purpose
>fakefluencers reporting cars for damages that haven't occured naturally or due to normal use
Social media has become a battlefield for corporations to shit over each other and the arms industry is no exception there.
>sigger found uncle adolf's private hoffium reserve
Bro is so desperate to shit on SIG he'll use an image from a literal Glockgay on twitter.
FN is belgian you dumb sigger. 509 should've won the MHS trials, too.
509 is absolute flaming dogshit. Trigger sucks donkey dick. Would pick the 320 literally every day of the week.
That kind of composite rot is typical of leaving your gun in the car in Arizona.
Did he stipple it? Plastic cannot just be melted and reshaped without breaking it's quality, usually making it more brittle.
I think the guy ran it over with something
0% chance this was an OOB or any other failure resulting from firing
The FCU is spotless and the slide is still fully on the rails, you never see that in pistol kabooms
American employees, ~~*CEO*~~).
I rather buy Steyr or Glock. SIG Sauer is not German anymore.
when was the last time steyr made a new thing?
The Steyr M is pretty much perfect.
Dunno maybe it's a single action sledgehammer fired gun?
Primary failure mode:
>Made a Firearm from plastic
Plastic is for Bic pens and lighters
>both disposable single use items
A hammer?
amazing how one p320 blows up and immediately after everyone elses does as well
Sig is one of the worst mainstream gun makers, their M18, MADE FOR THE MILITARY, explodes after like 500 shots.
I'm 99% they bribed their way to the contract, no way it beat the G19X.
It didn't beat the 19x, it performed worse in most test, but the price was lower and they even skip parts of the trial
bumb cuz deazd
If it actually failed, that's an impressively safe failure. No actual blowout on the FCU, and the barrel and slide don't appear to have grenaded.
Put another Grip and Slide on it and she's ready to go.
The fact that it looks like somebody hit it when a hammer or stone is totally a coincidence I'm sure.
It seems like newer made guns in the last five or so years just aren't as good in one way or another. The design is bad, or the materials were cheaper out on, or the finish isn't as good as older models. For example the glock on the left is a second gen Gen 3 17(after they swapped from the black tender finish to the grey phosphate(I think) finish, and right is a Gen 5 17. The Gen 3 has 1200 rounds on it, the Gen 5 had 500 on it at the time but is marked up more than the older glock with over double the round count.
Here's the inside of the slide where the top of the Cham er rubs when cycling, again gen 3 on left, gen 5 on right.
out of curiosity just checked my g22 gen 3 and g19 g4
neither slide looks as bad as your gen 5, but the g3 barrel is about has marked up as your gen 5
g22 has ~4000 rounds
g19 has ~1500 but had a barrel change at ~800
The finish quality might just be all over the place
>what do y'all think caused this?
Taco Bell fart particulate.
limpwristing
Yeah seems like the newer finish on the gen 5s just isn't as good as older gens for whatever reason.
We simply cannot stop winning
Gamer rage
Its a sig
Im gonna have calvin pissing on sig on the back of my truck. Gotta order the stickers
Jews
It's a Sig.
>what do y'all think caused this?
Maybe buying guns from Mattel?
All my guns are steel frame since I ain't a little sissy homosexual.
People who say that Sig P320s are destined to fail are idiots. Real Sig P320s have never been tried before; all of the previous Sig "P320" were not actually really current production Sig P320s. It is really absurd to believe that millions of P320s are hand grenades ready to explode when you try to chamber a round or jostle the gun with a round in the chamber. In a modern production Sig P320, all these problems were fixed with a thousand undocumented iterations, if you just keep buying Sig P320s you might have a safe gun eventually.
>Real Sig P320s have never been tried before; all of the previous Sig "P320" were not actually really current production Sig P320s.
Yeah real P320 aren't even built by Sig unlike later production models which are not build by Sig US but on the other hand also not by Sig Europe. Also Sig doesn't even produce handgrenades so stating that is obviously stupid and may lead to false conclusions regarding the real P320 of the latest production. The earlyer models may or may not have a pull-pin but the undocumented iterations this Anon is talking about changed that completely. So whether your P320 is safe can easily be seen either by the existence or absence of a pin depending on the year of production. From my experience less P320s have exploded than elsewhere so I wouldn't worry unless I you bought your P320 on a tuesday or if it's one made by Sig. Those are also the highest quality builds you shouldn't worry about.
what all present day polymers will look like in 100 years or less
Is there anyone here who knows the Discord Channel: Thug Shaker Central?
bubbas hot loads
Improper or indifferent maintenance.
I suspect the Rothschilds are paying anons to remind me about these shit pistols every day
Does Sig even produce anything that ACTUALLY competes with the Gen5 Glocks and M&P2.0?
Seems like they're a substandard brand who just have really good marketing department + a sprinkling of corruption to get them contracts.
The P365 and SP2022 are decent pistols if you can find them for a good price. I wouldn't bother with anything else in their lineup.
>polymer
Couldn't be me