I go backpacking to practice survival, subsistence, marksmanship, and related skills. From what I can tell most people don't even carry basic gear like hatchets and guns while backpacking. They just carry enough food and water to last few days. So what do they actually do? Just walk around and look at trees?
>so what do they actually do?
Where I'm from when someone says they're going backpacking they mean staying in hostels, not camping in the woods.
You're from Europe where there is nothing natural left, just private farmland covering the whole continent. You aren't even allowed to own a knife.
Abruti.
There's plenty to explore, there is no equivalent to Alaskan/American wilderness but there's a bunch of cool places where you can isolate yourself.
You're purposefully targeting the places that were made into farmland, but even america has those places. Go to any area that isn't grain-oriented with its agriculture and you will have a blast.
Also France is the best Euro country as far as fricking off with your backpack for an undetermined amount of time is concerned. Rural France is safe as frick as the nafris are concentrated in urban areas, wildlife is rather tame and there's so much small villages you can frick off back to if anything goes wrong
I suggest getting your head out of your ass and planning a trip to some cool lesser known place like Morvan. It's fricking shameful to shit on your country like that when it's pretty fricking decent
Spain is much better when it comes to outdoors you fricking franchute
Plenty of wilderness still in Europe, just need to head to Scandinavia, Scottish Highlands, Eastern Europe etc. Of course you're allowed to own knives, in the UK every outdoor shop will have cabinets full of them, same for continental Europe. Travel more.
Keep posting this image all over the board why don't ya
You ever notice when you call out a yuropoor they never actually post any photos of them out? There's tons of Americans and Canadians posting shit outdoors, but never the yuros. On the off chance you do get a pic it's some lame photo of the same 3 places. "Oh look, Switzerland/the lake district/stock image photos of places they don't go" kek.
Because when they go "camping" this is the view. There is always a farmers field less than 1km away.
Here ya go bucko
>You ever notice when you call out a yuropoor they never actually post any photos of them out?
i love arguing online with moronic americans, lets engage them!
just this once ... wales last weekend.
Nice hills. I can see cottages. Opinion disregarded. Spin the other direction.
>he said, not posting his own pictures
He's doing better than you
Samegay.
every time ...
one of those is a public cabin, a shelter for through hikers. the other is a farm so remote that they are not connected to the grid.
that's quite an old stick, oak, from coed y brenin, been on many journeys with me; deadfall selected at random when i was at the end of a very arduous hike and needed a little support because it ended up being about 10 miles longer than I expected because I got lost in the woods.
I'm gonna be real with you. If you're in multiple threads posting screenshots after being called a samegay numerous times, you just need to change your behavior.
>actually ive changed my mind, you're not samegayging here you're samegayging across threads!
Seek help. Actually. You're the problem.
Where did the stick come from
>you ever notice when i fling shit online people dont post selfies in response, haha gottem
Children throwing tantrums get ignored.
>he said, thereby invalidating his own statement
You're better than this
About two weeks ago sadly my skiboots decided to break so now im waiting on replacements which will probably destroy the rest of the season
Looks awful Canadian to me.
This might stock you anon but snow exists in more places than canada.
Maple Black folk also don't get suppressors.
Lmao a suppressor on a 10/22 what for? You already don't need hearing protection
>t. deaf moron
The beauty of a lack of socialized healthcare is that no one else has to pay for your moronation i guess.
In the open the 10/22 is not loud enough to cause hearing damage. Now a .22 pistol, yeah. But the 18.5" barrel length with a .22lr, I mean come on dude. I get a suppressed mkii. I get one of those toy takitikool .22s modeled to look like an mp5 or an ar15 being suppressed. But the 10/22 is not loud at all whatsoever. You do not need hearing protection with a 10/22 and I am sure there are decibel tests that prove this.
Yeah, it's under 120db at the muzzle. Two feet away and it's a nonissue. Even with higher fps ammo. Maybe if you stuck your ear right next to the muzzle though.
>make moronic claim
>source my ass
Many such cases
You bought a toy because it was neato. I don't blame you. I just wouldn't rice out my 10/22.
16"+ barrel with most 22 ammo is well below 140db at the shooters ear. With a 20" barrel the report sounds like a dictionary falling on a table and you don't need earplugs even for sustained target shooting. 22 pistols are pretty loud though and definitely over the threshold where you need earpro. 16" barrel, just a linear comp brings the blast down to my comfort level.
WHAT?!
I just use subsonic 22, sounds like a cap gun
What the frick is Diogenes doing in America?
>I own a plethora of knives, take them out regularly.
>zoom in on random area in northern spain.
i dunno bro ...
They just walk. I think they might be brain damaged.
- hiking is a long term meditative process, the rhythmic focus of just putting a foot before the other, breathing fresh air, being away from the sounds of civilization and getting away from all the complex abstract issues in modern life by living only in the next few steps is therapeutic to a lot of people.
- meanwhile it's mentally engaging rather than boring. As you walk through forests and mountains you notice how the vegetation changes really quickly and you see new sights every few minutes
- it's a physical challenge to a lot of people. For someone who is used to office life, driving everywhere and home, just walking a lot is an endurance challenge with all the pain and reward that comes with it.
- when done with others it's a way to bond. Rarely will you have as much time to talk with friends as you will on a hike and over time naturally you'll talk about deeper and more meaningful topics than you would normally. The shared perception of overcoming a challenge helps further with bonding.
- backpacking makes for great memories. It's type 2 fun, the kind that involves pain and discomfort in the moment, but also the kind that makes for fond memories years later. In addition it's something to tell others about later. "We went to a bar" is boring. "we hiked X miles" makes for better stories.
- most normies either hike a specific trail so they can tell others about it, they get to a nearby camping site and basically just chill there for a few days and party, or they go to a few landmarks.
So yeah, they are mostly walking and doing social bonding. If you can't see the beauty in nature and are bored by it and need toys like guns to be engaged, you are soulless and more of an npc than those normies anyways. Might as well bring your phone and play mobile games at that point.
>- it's a physical challenge to a lot of people. For someone who is used to office life, driving everywhere and home, just walking a lot is an endurance challenge with all the pain and reward that comes with it.
>- when done with others it's a way to bond. Rarely will you have as much time to talk with friends as you will on a hike and over time naturally you'll talk about deeper and more meaningful topics than you would normally. The shared perception of overcoming a challenge helps further with bonding.
I like to go fast and my friends can't keep up.
Solo hiking it is then, or finding people who can.
Pushing for speed when the others can't/don't want to just leads to tension and resentment.
Basically just don't be autistic or if you plan on being autistic, be autistic alone. Either is perfectly valid.
There's nothing wrong with practising your skills, but if you can't find something to do in the bush without a gun or a hatchet then you have some kind of brain damage.
A big part of why I do it is getting to understand an area. How clear are the ridgelines? How clear are the valleys? Did I see any interesting birds, reptiles, or mammals? What are the predominant species of tree and shrub, and why? Are the river crossings a pain in the arse? Can I find some of the old ruins which are marked on my map, and what's left of them? Are there any good views which I can bring other people to later? Where are the best campsites? How many shearwaters are nesting this year? If I wake up before dawn and walk down into the valley, is there temperature inversion? Can I find certain species, either invasive or natives that haven't been confirmed in the area yet?
Plus unpredictable interesting things happen at random. Last trip I saw two bull ants from different nests fighting, a young tiger snake with abnormally bright markings and a more pronounced hood than I'd seen before, several lyrebirds (one of which made the distinctive alarm call, which I hadn't heard before), remnants of an old timber mill including parts of a tramway, and spent a while trying to work out why one water source was clearer than another just over a ridge despite having catchment areas that looked nearly identical.
Make friends with trailrunners and/or carry some of their gear.
redpill me on fording a river.
dont unless you really need to
pay close attention to what the riverbed is may of
if you can, oddly, it may be a good idea to remove all valuable gear and leave it on the bank, cross, the come back, and cross again with your your gear so you know what you are dealing with
having a plan to get warm and dry off quickly is sometimes more important then planning the river crossing
Depends on how high the water is. If it's up to your chest or higher at the best crossing point you can find, then other than what
said:
>get a pack liner (or use a dead dog bag from a vet)
>find a good stick
>strip off first
>don't get yourself killed doing stupid shit
If you have anchor points you can run a rope across, assuming you brought one, although I've only done that in a group.
I have to use my hands and create things. I'm always tool-heavy, even just my EDC pack. I always make fishing poles out of thin saplings and only bring line and tackle.
Americans are a product of Hollywood and Corporations. If it's not porn it's drugs, if it's not drugs it's fast food, if it's not fast food it's mindless violence (well, most of them are cucks, they just LARP that they're the guy from American Sniper because they're too scared to stand up for themselves in social situations.
I can't wait for you to look back on your life and realize how much of it you spent seething about muh amerimutts
Am I right or wrong?
>There's nothing wrong with practising your skills, but if you can't find something to do in the bush without a gun or a hatchet then you have some kind of brain damage.
This
You can go backpacking without larping like you are in a denzel movie you moron. You dont need to practice survival skills everytime you go PrepHole you can literally just do it to have a good time and enjoy nature.
Hunting, fishing, creating things out of wood and providing for your own needs with simple hand tools is how you have intercourse with nature.
I'm not saying these things are bad, in fact they are insanely fulfilling, but if you can't see the beauty of nature in their absence something is wrong with you.
I'm not going to spend 7 days looking at views and flowers
Normie here. For me its just being in the place I want to be. I hate hiking for the most part. if I could heli-camp I would. Once I get to my destination I just like to chill and immerse myself in the environment. Fish, day hikes, naps, fires, quiet contemplation, communing with like minded humans, seeing wild animals...thats all. I carry a hatchet but not a gun. I prefer canoe camping to backpacking even with portages. I am not out their to test my survival skills per se but I am not ignorant of the risks nor unprepared.
>heli-camp
holy frick hahahahahha
>no guns
>like minded humans
>canoe portages
>per se
>people... just go outside and enjoy nature?
>surrogate activities to hunting for plastic cucks
haha! nice wojak image! Updooted! haha!
>lives in a cuckzone
>so domesticated that he thinks wAlKInG is a hobby like a fricking dog
Nice reaction image! very cool!
Haha! Very cool. I'm going to save this image and show my kids.
>the polar express soiboy works again
I'm confused. Who is this sasquatchian creature and why does he possess the teeth of a 1300s Br*tish peasant?
You couldn't afford an all iron heart wardrobe pal
yeah we get it anon, you're totally cool and hardcore for going into the woods to shoot tin cans
>he doesn't poach
ngmi
Poachers are subhuman scum and should be shot on sight
That would require a gun.
Checkmate,atheists.
>the state owns all the animals
absolutely mindbroken
You realize rationing and planning natural resources would be necessary without a state, right? You realize that would mean even without a state there might be people who take however much they want and ignore those plans, thus being poachers? You might disagree with the planning but ignoring it is dumb as frick. There's quite a few people who want an elk every year, you aren't special sweetie.
Lmao the concept of poaching doesn't exist without a state. The concept started with monarchs claiming they owned the animals. In terms of modernity it exists due to market hunting. The state exterminated and drove extinct a plethora of species in the US. The laws are moronic at this point. We are overrun with whitetail in every soiboy state. You don't own the animals, sorry. Don't @ me again unless you bench more than 2 plates because you're basically a woman
>The state exterminated
The state allowed PEOPLE to exterminate animals and they did.
>market hunting
Is that the state too? You have no idea what you're talking about lmfao.
>Don't @ me again unless you bench more than 2 plates because you're basically a woman
kys
>The state allowed PEOPLE to exterminate animals and they did.
No anon, quite literally the state exterminated multiple species. Read American Serengeti by Dan Flores. They strychnined all the predators. Now don't @ me with your babby little soi opinions bootlicker
Here's a summary of your moronic arguments so far:
>the concept of poaching was invented during monarchies
>market hunting would collapse without the concept of poaching
>cities have a lot of whitetails
>the state killed predators that threatened livestock
>I lift weights
None of these address whether or not wildlife management would be needed without a state. You are arguing against points nobody made.
This is the current state of whitetail conservation:
https://www.syracuse.com/news/2023/12/governor-signs-bill-allowing-syracuses-deer-culling-program-to-target-more-animals.html
With Hochul’s signature this month, the expansion can move forward. The Syracuse Common Council has approved a $50,000 USDA contract for this year’s program that anticipated the expanded hunting zones. City officials hope they can cull 150 deer, up from 79 killed last winter.
The deer sharpshooters use sound-suppressed rifles, infrared vision devices and spotlights. Their work takes place in the northwest, southwest and southeast areas of the city. Deer harvested are processed for free by Marsh Mill Ranch and donated to food pantries. Last year, about 1,913 pounds of venison were delivered, providing 7,652 meals.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with poaching whitetail deer and eating them. They literally just pay people to jacklight them because they already killed all the predators.
Are you fricking illiterate or are you seriously trying to argue
>poaching an overpopulated species is okay so all poaching is okay
I don't disagree that putting limits on overpopulated animals is stupid
You are the one who assumed I was poaching some endangered species. I never said that. That was your assumption. A crossbow with a night vision optic is the best way to silently poach whitetail deer.
>literally cannot comprehend the notion of a world where he isn't knowingly, happily cuckolded out of basic freedoms by government entities
you're on SSRIs
>mindbroken
>using a porn term in regular conversation
what the frick?
Heres your upvote friend
We go out innawoods to have sex, smoke reefer, build a fire, watch the fire, cook some food, drink a couple of beers, Pretty much in that order. Srsly, Bro
I kinda feel bad for someone that can only do the survival LARP.
>muh hatchetgun survival
>tacticool videogame-tier image
Nice larp bait. Have a (you)
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>Nice reaction image! very cool!
enjoy nature and being away from stuff. im not prepping for the end of the world like some lunatic.
Backpacking is therapeutic in many ways as described by other posters. Having your gear, food and water pre-prepared means you can simply exist in nature without worrying about how to derive resources from it. Yes, simply walking and looking at trees is lovely, I don’t need to be fricking around with guns or hacksawing trees to have a good time out there.
You can also do endurance challenges that wouldn’t be possible while bushcrafting, since bushcrafting is about conserving energy and finding resources. You would never attempt a 20 mile day hike while bushcrafting for example - that would be an enormously wasteful expenditure of energy, whereas with backpacking that is the entire point.
I think your mistake is classifying backpacking in the same category of sport as bushcrafting when really they’re extremely different. The gear has a passing similarity on the surface but the goals and methods are totally different. Once you recognize that it should be easier for you to act like less of a larping twat and appreciate that there is no “right” way to be PrepHole
watch birds and eat berries
sometimes i grab flowers for the ladies of the house
are you actually serious? I actually can't tell if this is bait or if you genuinely can't comprehend admiring nature's beauty. Like the other guy said, if you really can't go PrepHole without bringing a gun or knife/hatchet to occupy yourself you might as well just bring your phone and play gacha games
>basic gear
>like hatchets and guns
These are in no shape or form "basic gear." A hatchet is only necessary outside of summer. """normies""" don't backpack outside of summer. A gun is 100% unnecessary on a backpack trip. You only carry one to compensate for your lack of manhood.
tl;dr - the 2 items you mention are useless weight on 99% of backpacking trips.
A hatchet is part of the human body and allows a man to create anything from natural resources. A self defense weapon like a pistol is a necessity at all times and all locations during all activities. A man who travels the wilderness without these two items doesn't belong there.
Guess how I know you own a sweet samurai ninja sword
This guy gets buggered in the bathrooms on the AT
you sound like you eat cum
Protien is protien
>Just walk around and look at trees?
You're from the east coast aren't you..
>Walk around and look at trees
Kind of. When I go backpacking I have a pre established route so usually I spend most of my day walking.
When Im not, there are hundreds of things to distract with like climbing trees, exploring caves, bathing on a river... nevertheless, having a quiet moment of contemplation is good also, nature is really beutiful to look at
That been said I wish to go bushcrafting someday but I havent done it very much
I wish I had friends {:'^(l]
I often go camping alone. If you want to find outdoor friends, try joining activities
Courses about orientation, guided trips of even better, join a club. You have to be active, there is no point on complaining on your own comouter
What’s wrong with walking and looking at trees?
I mostly listen to music I like and lat down in the grass and get sun bath instead of being a cringe mess who thinks he is stalker the game the person
>implying im normie
whatever, ill bite
all of thoose things you practice are common knowledge in my part of europe, got no need to practice it. you just sound like a fatherless larper. when i go /out its to avoid people, civilization and find peace and solitude. the only activity i like is fishing, keeping the camp fire going and maybe explore old abandoned settlements, mines or whatever i come across but im perfectly fine sitting for hours just watching the view if thats all there is to do. i also enjoy watching movies or phoneposting if i have reception. one of the only places i can do so undisturbed.
No they're not common knowledge because you have to use tools and weapons 1000% heavier than mine to accomplish them. Not even 1% of Europeans have the opportunity to practice axemanship or marksmanship on a regular basis.
did you learn how to ski, make a fire and get around during winter? no you didnt.
did you have school shootings where they didnt shoot up students but did everething from 9mm to 12g to 308 and it was actually shot on real ranges? unders supervision by teachers.
no you didnt.
do you have a culture of spending every hour off work /out? no you dont.
do you have a culture of larping based on what you read on PrepHole? yes you do.
Now this is cope
its american PrepHoleists seen from a nordic perspective.
cringe larpers with no skills and knowledge, living in a suburb, thinking a gun makes them PrepHole.
now tell me, how much time did you spend outdoors this holiday? did you do logging like me? no, you didnt...
You mean easter? No, my next trip is to arkansas for the eclipse
easter is a holiday, dont you have a week off?
I'm unemployed so I have every day off
If you didn't batton those trees with a knife you're not PrepHole
were you actually looking for answers or were you desperately trying to make another euros vs america bait thread?
I like the sound of birdsong and go PrepHole to get a break from modern noises like cars and other machines. I'll read, sit with my back on a tree and think peacefully, listen to audiobooks through my wireless earphones, read something I picked for the trip. I also like to do stretches while alone in the trees because it's such a good place to relax and loosen up.
If I find a nice little patch that I know I'll return to, I'll manage environment. Spindly trees that compete for light will be cut down and chopped up for tomorrow night's firewood, warmed next to tonight's camp fire. Then when I come back next year I look at the area and it's even nicer than when i left.
you have very different standards and intentions to what other people do.
you are practising survival and larping a bit.
normies want to go for a walk outside. that's it.
I'm no normie but i do want to just walk around a look at trees. i also study bushcraft and foraging and things but my primary goal when out is to touch grass.
Sounds like being in nature is a novelty to you. Your life must suck.
jack off
>I go backpacking to practice survival, subsistence, marksmanship, and related skills.
So you're larping.
I wish we had real wilderness in Bongland. All we have is a few dozen square miles on the Knoydart peninsula is Scotland as true "wilderness". Everything else is farmland, sheep-grazing and grouse-moors owned by descendants of William the Conqueror and his friends (and subsidised by the plebs).
maybe the future generations will get to experience more rewilded land
I just look at pretty stuff and mark what flora and fauna I see in my field guides. It's not that deep.
>what is cardio
get out of the basement, dude. >300kg ain't healthy.
What you are doing is called bush-crafting, it is not backpacking.
The general purpose of backpacking is to enjoy traveling through the world and enjoying the environment, seeing new and unique things.
Enjoy larping as a settler from the 1700's or an Appalachian mountain man. It's fun, I get it. There are times and places for different types of experiences, enjoy yours the best you can, let others enjoy theirs too.
And don't worry, most NPC backpackers that see you doing the things you do will look at you and think you are a larping try hard homosexual NPC too. So you can rest easy knowing they look at you the same way you look at them.
>here's how I define these activities
lol, nobody cares
Okay Appy, enjoy your Bushcrafting Adventures.
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>classic consoomer thinks catching your own meal and building a real fire is not "backpacking", but outdoor settler larp
Imagine going PrepHole and still being this detached.
You vill eat the freeze dried slop
You vill NOT touch anything off the paved trail
Ze forest ez for looking not touching
You vill NOT start a fire or harvest fallen and dead brush
You vill buy the $190 butane stove at ze rei
The fact that you think going innawoods to build a fire and cook a nice meal qualifies as "larping as a settler" is more of a self-own than any insult my smooth brain could muster up.
my coworkers smoke weed and the guy tries to have sex with the girl but he never can close they are pretty normie
>What do normies actually do when Backpacking
Stay the frick away from post apocalypse cosplayers and larper's while trying to enjoy scenic views, natural environments and the plants and animals of nature without the desire to "conquer" it by killing and chopping up shit you try hard homosexual.