If your 6 shots weren't enough. No, you won't be able to use your moon clips or your speed loader under a stressing situation.
Your hands will shake, and the bullets won't fit.
Meanwhile with a pistol it is much easier to reload, and there are more bullets per magazine.
>What can you say to someone who uses a revolver for self-defense?
don't miss
dumbass
You're telling me I need to shoot the guy in the face with 357 more than six times?
No im saying you're more likely to miss than hit anything
If you feel you are likely to miss you probably lack confidence due to lack of adequate training/practice. I'm not saying a well trained/practiced guy with confidence can't miss but he's not going to go in thinking "I'm about to miss a lot". He's just going to go into engage mode and get to work the way he's done 1 billion times on the range, at his house and in his mind.
Practice, practice, practice.
Contact shots bruh, self defense situations are very close.
You are not a cop approaching a situation, they pop on you.
bullshit
yes you are totally more likely to get in a long range shoot out. happens all the time. thats why people put scopes on handguns.
defensive shootings involve 3 shots over 3 seconds at 3 yards
This.
I don't carry a revolver but reasonably, when the frick are you going to be in a prolonged shootout such that you'd need to speed load while under threat? A revolver will do the job well enough under the majority of circumstances. I don't see the issue here.
/k/ likes to think they're the punisher taking on entire gangs
just let them larp
>3/3/3
That is the average. You're not planning for the average, you're planning to cover a majority of all statistically likely opportunities that require a firearm to solve.
>you're planning to cover a majority of all statistically likely opportunities that require a firearm to solve
The 5 or 6 shots you get with a revolver are plenty if you're worried about "statistically likely". Throw a moon clip in there and you have "extraordinarily unlikely" covered as well. You aren't a cop who might be required to apprehend or subdue a dangerous suspect, if you're pulling out your gun you're doing it to get an attacker to die, frick off, or something inbetween that gives you time to frick off yourself.
I don't even fricking like revolvers unless they're big, moronic, and completely unsuited to concealment, I just don't understand why six rounds is seen as inadequate when in a cylinder and perfectly reasonable when in a magazine.
>The 5 or 6 shots you get with a revolver are plenty if you're worried about "statistically likely". Throw a moon clip in there and you have "extraordinarily unlikely" covered as well.
Absolutely true, those will cover anything except one in a million chances. I just hate it when people keep hammering on about 3/3/3 when that is the average, not a description of every single scenario.
Dennis Tuttle managed to hit 5 cops with a revolver when they illegally broke into his home and murdered him and his wife. Show me cases where you had multiple attackers, needed more than 6 shots, and a pistol (any pistol) is still enough to get you out of trouble.
I carry a Hellcat some days because having 11+1 is great. When I carry my LCP II I’m not worried about only having 7.
The average person will never get in a gunfight does that mean you shouldn't even carry a gun
Carrying a gun is like carrying a rosary. It's a talisman or a focal point for mindfulness. The gun is the least important part of successful self-defense. It's the last final step. If you got to the gun you probably failed an earlier step.
>avoidance
>awareness
>de-escalation
>evasion
>engagement
tell them that they should train to reload with their Adrenalin pumping if they're insisting on carrying a revolver. I carried a shrouded hammer S&W 649 in .357 for the longest time because it was small enough to tuck into a pocket.
You're not John Wick who needs 4 spare mags.
Revolvers don't leave casings behind, so if you're defensive shooting is in a place like Chicago or LA where you WILL go to prison if you get caught it's a good way to get the hell out of dodge, in Roblox of course.
>.38 Special snub
>home made water bottle suppressor
>no evidence left behind
Revolvers sound based.
>>home made water bottle suppressor
>suppressor
>revolver
pls be bait
Not him, but a suppressor does work on revolvers, just not quite as well as something without a cylinder gap.
there are a few revolvers with zero cylinder gap and there are specialized revolver suppressors that cover the cylinder gap. those are fricking next level
>those are fricking next level
And there is also this piece of shit.
i doubt ill find it again but some guy on youtube was designing a cylinder sealer for a ruger revolver that was basically a mini vice grip that fit around the cylinder and had rubber to make a proper seal
> no casings
> no noise
The deniability special. Aside from the penis pump in your pocket
be nice to anon his first time seeing a revolver was in Metro2033
Especially with what that ex si-co employee cooked up. a cover for the cylinder so you can suppress them!
>>.38 Special snub
>>home made water bottle suppressor
How do you think this would work? I want to hear it?
Excellent point.
>Revolvers don't leave casings behind, so if you're defensive shooting is in a place like Chicago or LA where you WILL go to prison if you get caught it's a good way to get the hell out of dodge, in Roblox of course.
how many people actually get away with shootings like that, self defense or otherwise. I know there's a ton of unsolved cases that never get solved, but I'd still like to know a ballpark.
Research homicide clearance rates. A lot of people get away with murder. A lot. If you were so inclined you could literally go on safari in cities like baltimore, detroit, chicago etc and rack up plenty of kills on randoms with very good chances of never even being identified.
Unless your caught at the scene or on video you wont get caught. You shooy some Black person with nothing but Black person witnessrd who dont know you and your 90 percent chance of not getting caught
everybody has a cellphone camera nowadays, especially hoodrats with no business affording them.
Hoodrats don't talk to cops
they do if you are white.
>Hoodrats don't talk to cops
No, but they will upload it to worldstar.
Why do you care what other people carry?
>6 shots weren't enough
don't worry
Did not know this existed but holy mother of frick I need it
Got to fire one in Boy Scouts. Good times, pretty sure it was a reproduction, but hell I was 13 so o didn’t give a shit.
i wouldnt even give a shit if it was a modern reproduction that shot .22 and a 410, i still want one
the lemat is one of the sexiest revolvers ever made and just looks like its a joy to shoot
>i wouldnt even give a shit if it was a modern reproduction that shot .22 and a 410,
I've dreamt about this exact thing for awhile. If you have a .22 mag cylinder to swap it would be perfect.
>fire it in single action
>never miss because no trigger pull
*AHEM*
sneed
they have soul and They’re good enuf for defense against niglets and make a good backup option. As offensive weapons they’re rather shit in comparison to modern autos.
pistols can't oneshot combine soldiers though
but the revolver can!
Two things:
1. I don't get why you gays get so assmad when someone says they carry a revolver. Why the frick do you care? Do you even own guns to begin with?
2. Look into Bernhard Goetz. A 5 shot .38 J-frame was enough to defend himself against 4 armed thugs. There hasn't been a single self-defense situation since then that has involved that many attackers. If it was enough for him, a man who probably never even shot the gun beforehand, it's enough for anyone who wants to carry a revolver.
>There hasn't been a single self-defense situation since then that has involved that many attackers
Before he died Don Alejo took out 6 people and ran off however many others and he just had shotguns and bolt actions while they had automatic weapons and explosives. Familiarity with your weapon, where you're using it, and mentality all factor much more into your survival than what weapon you use.
>mexico
Irrelevant.
>The possibility of fighting off hordes of angry moronic mexicans is irrelevant in America
>so fricking close to holy quints
If you can load a mag you can load a moon clip, if not train till loading moon or bullets is muscle memory.
People who use revolvers tend to be more accurate, you have to be, where semi autos tend to spray and miss a lot
357 is one of the most effective rounds for self defense, and it can also be used to hunt or fend off bears, a single 357 is worth at least 2 9 mil
A lot of people who tend to get into real life gun fights, tend to have used revolvers, a lot of police officers, and shop owners.
you just don't get it anon. I need to carry an FN Five-seveN with 5x 31 round mags. I'm going to have to fight off at least 7 guys at a time and I need to be able to Mozambique drill them all.
I get the paranoia, especially when some cops now claim they need 100 bullets since they emptied a couple of mags into a rocket surgeon and missed the important spots. But from what I've heard from actual combat vets is you aim for the head, and you practice every chance you get. Practice reloads, practice moving targets, practice draws, common thread between all of them.
Most that killed more than one used wheelies, but the one who didn't jersey cop, he used a mixed bag. His take was "use the biggest fricking gun you can realistically carry and shoot comfortably, aim for the head or it won't work because it's a pistol not a rifle"
well there was that one cop who now carries like 145 rounds on him at all times because he practically got beaten to death by some PCP upped former Hockey or Football player
yeah that's the 100 bullets guy. He had a kid, and swore by the 45, but then he had to fight giga nig. He had an ar in the front seat and was sworn to kil the next cop who stopped him.
The gun jammed, and teh cop only lived bbecause when he came out of the car he blasted through his front window before the guy could fire on him, which made the perp drop the gun and take cover. He spent the next minute empty mags under the car and at the guy before he finally landed his last 3 or so bullets in the t zone. Allegedly 50% of the bullets hit the victim, he was clipped in the heart and lung, and bullets tracked all up his arms, but the adrenaline and hate kept the guy going, he wasn't on any drugs iirc.
I dunno how true the report was though, they mighta lied about how many bullets popped the guy before the t zone hit to make him look like less of an incompetent cop. He did however burn through all his magazines in the fight.
I think I remember the case, the hospital complained about how many times the cop had shot the perp, thinking he had been excessive.
>I think I remember the case, the hospital complained about how many times the cop had shot the perp, thinking he had been excessive.
yeah, they wondered why he shot him so many times out loud since he was in bed next to him, allegedly. I'm not sure how much of that story is embellished since I don't think the death records are public.
I love the judge/governor but it's a giant fricking club, even with a shoulder holster that thing's got to be a pain in the ass to EDC. I know a few cops who bought one as their "backup pistol" but it was too thick and heavy to effectively use or carry.
Gay and fudd pilled, modern 9mm approaches .357 velocity now
You will get raped and murdered by joggers
They aren't known for intellect or strategy, but they make it up in numbers, buy a glock
>Gay and fudd pilled, modern 9mm approaches .357 velocity now
lol not even close, you need super hot rounds to even get close to baseline 357 zoomer.
>dumb zoomer opinion with no research
>buy a glock
>/misc/ buzzwords
>overly aggro
yeah, I'm thinking no gunz + LARPer
>bullets at typical self defense handgun velocities must physically touch tissue to damage it as there are no remote wounding effects caused by the temporary cavity exceeding the elasticity of human flesh at these velocities
>in order to successfully incapacitate a threat via physical damage vital structures must be damaged
>only rounds with adequate penetration can reach these vital structures
>shot placement and penetration are the only factors that determine the effectiveness of any given round to cause physical damage to vital structures
>the only downside to maximizing penetration with bullet selection is over-penetration
>if you don't care about overpenetration there is no reason to ever use hollowpoints because they limit penetration in exchange for an increase in surface area which is only a theoretically worthwhile exchange if you know for a FACT that expansion will not limit your penetration to unacceptable levels
>round nose bullets are inferior to bullets with square shoulders and flat meplats in their ability to cut tissue
>assuming two rounds have equally adequate penetration the better round of the two will be the one you can shoot faster while maintaining accuracy.
Hits count. First hits count most. Carry whatever gun/caliber combo you can make fast accurate hits with. Everything else is marketing bullshit designed to have you paying for overpriced meme ammunition.
This is entirely true. Subsonic 9mm will do the same damage 44 mag does. If you disagree you are a moronic fudd. This is why 9mm is actually outdated when you consider the far superior round 380 acp. And to that, 32 acp and so on.
Handguns are garbage. You carry one because it's convenient and you're pretty sure you won't need it. If you KNOW you're going to a gunfight you take a rifle.
https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/alternate-look-handgun-stopping-power
http://gunssavelives.net/self-defense/analysis-of-five-years-of-armed-encounters-with-data-tables/
Please listen to the following starting @ 00:09:28
>23yr old, 5'7" 143lbs knife wielding perp
>6 shots of .45LC Silvertip HP into the chest at contact distance
>5 rounds of 158gr +P LSWCHP 38spl from a j frame into the center of the back at contact distance
>2 rounds of 44mag 240gp LSJFP in upper torso from 15 feet
>1 round of 44mag in the thigh
>1 round of 44mag to the knee(this shot ended the fight as attacker loses mobility)
>BAC of .05
>no drugs in system
>attacker lived for 10 more days
I will read these but i would like to see another case of this happening. Third link doesnt work for me
Fourth link*
Yeah seems to be down. Shame.
Great information here honestly. However id still rather be shot with a 380 than a 44 nonetheless with energy transfer.
I'd be more scared of Jerry Miculek with a .22lr than I am of trayvontious with a problem solver and 'stendos. It's the indian not the arrow. Practice.
Seems she will be taking 44 specials now.
Well no shit but most people aren’t Jerry. Most people shoot a few boxes a year if that. Play to the averages, not the exceptions.
>i would like to see another case of this happening.
That pasta used to include another link that got shoa'd. It was about a cop that got into a running gunfight with a perp. Shot him up a bunch of times. Cop even took a round to the fricking face and kept fighting. Shit ended up at contact distance and ended with a shot to the head. I'm still mad I couldn't find another link.
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this cop outright says a few choice things:
>shoot for the head
>practice shooting one handed
>carry the biggest fricking gun you can manage concealed
>practice with what you shoot with
o for head shots instead of center-of-mass shots, especially at very close range, where most gunfights occur.
Practice shooting a 6-inch paper plate. If you can hit the plate, you can hit the head.
Most of his gunfights were under 12 feet.
Train for instinctive, point shooting instead of aimed shooting.
In most instances, your off hand is occupied doing something else –be prepared to shoot one-handed.
Carry a minimum of 2 extra magazines.
Carry a backup weapon in case your gun malfunctions or you’re disarmed.
Lieutenant Stasch likes a lightweight .38 revolver as a backup.
He carries a Sig Sauer P220 in .45 because of the feel in the hand “The key to being a good handgun shooter is to have a weapon that’s an extension of your hand. Don’t get the gun that people recommend –get the gun that feels right in your hand. Go to a gun store and pick up every gun with your eyes closed, pick the one that feels like a 6th finger.”
>Carry a minimum of 2 extra magazines.
>Carry a backup weapon in case your gun malfunctions or you’re disarmed.
cringe unless you're a cop or guard.
He was a cop and it's colored his whole perception of self-defense.
even if you're not a cop, if somebody robs you and notices you have a gun, then robs you for your gun, he probably won't expect you to have 2 guns.
cool dude, theres no way you're pulling out a backup revolver and living, unless you're shooting someone in the back.
A BUG has other advantages when it's pocket carry. It's very unobtrusive to stand around with your hand in your pocket. Less so with your hand under your shirt.
You pull it when their back is turned then yell "HEY Black person" to blast them in the face.
We get it. Black folk are subhuman animals.
>unless you're shooting someone in the back.
>implying I wouldn’t
There is nothing morally wrong with shooting a robber in the back
>In most instances, your off hand is occupied doing something else –be prepared to shoot one-handed.
>Carry a minimum of 2 extra magazines.
>Carry a backup weapon in case your gun malfunctions or you’re disarmed.
Everything else is great advice except for this. You aren’t a cop. You kill them, they run off, or you buy time to run off and get a rifle. An extra mag or a BUG isn’t a bad idea if you already wear the attire for it but you really don’t need it
it's great advice, if you're not going for the head and you're not shooting one handed you probably will wind up dead. if somebody rushes you and they're intent on beating your ass, or if you have a guy pull up to the side of your car, you are fricked if you can't shoot one handed and you can't hit the most important part of the target.
Shit I copied one line wrong. I meant to include this
>Carry a minimum of 2 extra magazines.
>Carry a backup weapon in case your gun malfunctions or you’re disarmed.
>Lieutenant Stasch likes a lightweight .38 revolver as a backup.
Backup guns and reloads are dumb to incorporate day to day unless you work outside while not doing physical labor or always have a bag with you.
Training for one handed is smart.
>Backup guns and reloads are dumb to incorporate day to day unless you work outside while not doing physical labor or always have a bag with you.
I carry two guns everyday. I don't work outside or carry a bag everywhere. In max larp mode can conceal 4 revolvers in shorts and a Hawaiian shirt. 1)AIWB, 2)Shoulder holster left armpit, 3) left front pocket, 4) right front pocket.
If you belt carry your primary there is zero additional burden to slipping a BUG in a front pocket. Unless you need all your pockets for dilators and shit.
>I carry two guns everyday.
Why?
>If you belt carry your primary there is zero additional burden to slipping a BUG in a front pocket
Tons of people don't. Convenience is king for 90% of CCWs. When I belt carry I don't want extra shit in my pockets. I don't need it.
>Why?
First because I'm a larping homosexual who loves revolvers and second because many years ago when I was delivering pizzas in college I trained myself to shoot left handed with a pocket snub because I carried my money in my right pocket. This has continued ever since. I can draw a gun with either hand and get solid hits with it. I also find that a pocket gun has an advantage in that it's very unobtrusive to have your hand in your pocket and this is a useful tactical attribute to have all the time and the opportunity cost for this advantage is one less pocket to put random shit in. Fair trade tbh.
>First because I'm a larping homosexual
So even you admit that there isn't a perceived defensive need, and you just want to. Not that there is anything wrong with that. You seem to have yourself squared away and I'm in no place to judge. My point is one gun is enough since the most attackers ever has been 4 and that was solved with a 5 shot j frame. If you carry more, nice, but it's not needed.
>in college I trained myself to shoot left handed with a pocket snub because I carried my money in my right pocket. This has continued ever since. I can draw a gun with either hand and get solid hits with it.
Based. Nice work
>So even you admit that there isn't a perceived defensive need,
No I outlined why I think a pocket gun has advantages and that's why I carry one. The larping homosexual part is because both my guns are revolvers. I love them so much that I put a lot of work into getting good with them and thus have confidence in my skills and equipment. I've CC'd damn near everyday for over 26 years. Most of that time has been with an autoloader of one sort or another. If I wasn't such a larping homosexual I'd still be carrying a G19 as a primary but I just decided one day the thing had no soul and if I ended up dying because I didn't have 15+ rounds in my primary I could live with that(or die with that lol) to live my best life. That's not to say that if shit in my AO got really bad I wouldn't start carrying bigger hardware and more rounds. I don't live in that world at this time. My threat matrix right now is sufficiently low that I don't feel the limited round count of my two guns is inadequate.
>Please listen to the following starting @ 00:09:28
That’s a crazy story. Proving once again that manlets are the superior combat soldiers.
If I were the first guy I probably would have done something similar with the j frame. 5 shots at contact distance to the chest should be plenty. But I can’t help but think that if you say a guy take 6 .45LC and you’re that close why didn’t he try for a headshot?
>If I were the first guy I probably would have done something similar with the j frame. 5 shots at contact distance to the chest should be plenty. But I can’t help but think that if you say a guy take 6 .45LC and you’re that close why didn’t he try for a headshot?
Pretty sure that situation is one of the last ones that led him to actually start aiming for the head and practicing doing so.
Yeah he was a guy that bought into the memes and then learned through experience it was all bullshit. Shot placement, penetration and landing the first solid hit of the fight are all that matter.
well he shot the guy 9 times in the chest, center of mass, didn't do shit, only thing that stopped him was a lucky shot that hit the knee. He also shot him enough early on and it didn't do shit. Gotta shoot em in the head if you're not using a shotgun or a rifle, unless they have armor or else you might find yourself in a situation similar to mister 100 bullets.
>Hits count. First hits count most. Carry whatever gun/caliber combo you can make fast accurate hits with. Everything else is marketing bullshit designed to have you paying for overpriced meme ammunition.
it's not true, bullet wounds are radically different between magnum calibers and 9mm tier calibers if you've seen the damage to human bodies. Further it's more pronounced versus things like deer, bears or other big animals.
>laughs in G2 RIP
>>if you don't care about overpenetration there is no reason to ever use hollowpoints because they limit penetration in exchange for an increase in surface area which is only a theoretically worthwhile exchange if you know for a FACT that expansion will not limit your penetration to unacceptable levels
There are tons of hollow points that do not limit your penetration and do dramatically increase your surface area, which increases total tissue damage. A 147gr HST, gold dot, or 115gr Barnes will still get complete pass throughs. If you are really worried use Hornady XTPs. They have moderate expansion and great penetration.
hollowpoints are a meme and should only be used by people who fear collateral damage from poor training like cops. The surface area of HPs rely entirely on if they mushroom or not and that's not reliable with layered clothing, fat targets or being inside or outside of a certain range.
With FMJ SMC or softpoints you get the same or better effect with better fps and no risk of losing effectiveness based on a multitude of factors.
>The surface area of HPs rely entirely on if they mushroom or not
When they do, the vast majority of time, the surface area is double the size if not larger
>and that's not reliable with layered clothing
False
>fat targets
Even more false
>being inside or outside of a certain range.
Also false. You would need to be shooting well past 100 yards to not have them expand. You aren't shooting 100 yards with your pistol. Any issues here are solved 100% by choosing the right load for your gun. You don't use 00 when going out for quail do you?
>With FMJ SMC or softpoints you get the same or better effect
Explain how it's better with a smaller surface area and wound track.
>with better fps
Complete lie. Equal weight bullets can be loaded to the same velocity. Most HPs are loaded hotter.
>and no risk of losing effectiveness based on a multitude of factors.
The only "losing effectiveness" that you described is when it fails to expand, so it works the exact same as FMJ.
The fact that you mentioned soft points as a viable alternative shows you are being a contrarian for contrarian's sake rather than wanting the most effective options. Soft points tend to overexpand and not penetrate and fragment more, leading to less penetration, than bonded HPs. If you focused entirely on penetration then I wouldn't argue as much. But you didn't because you want to be different and special and that's it.
>When they do, the vast majority of time, the surface area is double the size if not larger
nope
>False
wrong, you can check Paul Harrel's videos on it.
>Also false. You would need to be shooting well past 100 yards to not have them expand. You aren't shooting 100 yards with your pistol.
Nope, they don't expand under a certain amount of feet, and 100 feet out is the max you'd shoot with a pistol. Especially when you want to hunt with a pistol, where you wouldn't even want to use a hp.
>Explain how it's better with a smaller surface area and wound track.
easy, surface area doesn't expand in any significant way. You get minimal advantage over regular rounds. Dumps too much energy because of the way hollowpoints are made.
>Complete lie. Equal weight bullets can be loaded to the same velocity. Most HPs are loaded hotter.
Nope, you're lying, loading it better is purely up to the amount of gunpowder you put in, this is down to the dynamics of the bullet. Next.
>The only "losing effectiveness" that you described is when it fails to expand, so it works the exact same as FMJ.
Nah, it tends to dump it's load in the target, the best rounds don't dump the energy, think about what a rifle round does.
>nope
Literally math. A 9mm that expands to 1.5x it's diameter, which is fairly small expansion, is a 2.25x increase in surface area. 0.891 vs 0.396 sq in. Same holds true for .45 or .357 or whatever caliber. You are wrong and it's provable.
>wrong, you can check Paul Harrel's videos on it.
Please show me the videos showing heavy clothing stopping HP expansion. I can show you more when they work.
>easy, surface area doesn't expand in any significant way. You get minimal advantage over regular rounds. Dumps too much energy because of the way hollowpoints are made.
Again, I showed above it is quite significant. You even admit it's an advantage. At worst they don't expand and then it's the same as a non expanding round
>Nope, you're lying, loading it better is purely up to the amount of gunpowder you put in
Mostly yes, it's a function of pressure. You can seat a bullet deeper, use less powder, and get higher velocity. But you can do that with ANY bullet. If you don't think so you are lying or moronic.
>https://www.underwoodammo.com/9mm-luger-p-147-grain-jacketed-hollow-point.html
>https://www.underwoodammo.com/9mm-luger-p-147-grain-hard-cast-flat-nose.html
>https://www.underwoodammo.com/9mm-luger-p-124-grain-bonded-jacketed-hollow-point.html
>https://www.underwoodammo.com/9mm-luger-p-124-grain-full-metal-jacket.html
Quite literally the same velocities for the same bullet weight. This is amateur shit.
>this is down to the dynamics of the bullet. Next.
What?
>Nah, it tends to dump it's load in the target, the best rounds don't dump the energy, think about what a rifle round does.
A rifle round absolutely dumps it's energy. Rifles do have temporary wound cavities that destroy tissue. According to you a .308 FMJ would be less effective than a standard pressure .38 Spl because it crushes more tissue with a .355" bullet than a .308" bullet.
This is some excellent bait or you are fricking stupid. You are demonstrably wrong about many things that are easily proved.
He's right though. Heat, inflation, defunded police departments and a country on the brink of civil war. Summer's only just officially begun and you can expect the joggery noggery to be off the charts by August. I want all the pew pew I can carry when that happens.
No one's telling you what to do. Everyone's situation and threat level are different. Each man must make his own way in this life and the situation is always changing. The only message I want to get across is whatever you carry practice, practice, practice.
even with hordes of scientists, Kyle did alright with less shots. And if you're fighting a ton of em, why are you on the street and why do you have only a hand gun
>less
fewer*
>modern 9mm approaches .357 velocity now
Yes, your 115gr 9mm at 1250 fps is definitely going to perform just like my 158gr .357 at 1500fps.
Dumbass.
none of those thugs had a gun. they had no cover. all that situation proves is that a revolver can be used to shoot a bunch of fish in a barrel.
>it's very easy to shooot and kill 4 rocket surgeons in a life of death scenario!
>he types on his crusty greasy keyboard, gripping the peeling pleather arm rest with one hand and laying his other hand on his massive gut, pleased with his retaqrded comment
They still had weapons and outnumbered him 4-1. They could have got him if they didn’t care about dying or getting shot, but they did. Everyone does.
you're not going to be getting into a gunfight, incel
Nailed it
Good post. Yes. If you practice with your firearm, you will understand it's limitations and will know how to use it. Honestly, I've seen cases where cops emptied an entire mag with a Black person charging them and the Black person still killed them. Having extra rounds only matters if you know what to do with them in the first place.
People can use whatever the frick they want as long as they're trained.
*BANG!*
You only need to reload if you missed 6 times.
its only 5 and you already have 3 of them in your body while you were fricking with the safety and after that failure to feed
Most autos don't have safeties and failure to feeds are extremely uncommon in good modern autos
>extremely uncommon
lol even if that statement was true(it's not) it's still MORE common than it is with revolvers.
Pushing too hard here try approaching more subtlety next time, nearly had him
>try approaching more subtlety next time
That's not my style. I'm into reduction-ism and efficiency. Boil it down to basics, make a call and act.
You gotta take more with the small details like the reddit spacing, and put a little variation in the original statement instead of just repeating it outright. Bait is a sophisticated mans game
Roughly 20 mins of searching youtube for videos of autos jamming. I didn't bother with longer format videos about some autloader jam and how to correct it or some guy talking for 15 mins about his broken gun just short-ish videos of autos jamming at the range.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/PaIriiFcmTE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcOqCg0Q37Q
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/42LGTCdy-84
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UynjNtSVH3Q
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/YylMIzknJ18
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlxIqnRVzm0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DH8--0wP2zE
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ZTh2D7_Ig54
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVPgqoVJyDU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7V0POEXQMZ0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7N06v4ZvMo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Bq8IscqTjk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taaC8SPR__8
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/wPSzvNd6lYI
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/1_RUZR2wfaY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJ2vhXzPX2c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93GNnY754Dw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUgQBhYMO9E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIhyE6j8Mv8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-35YiEZsSg
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/3_ORBjxqN3U
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/L7mbuGF-I_M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3WUNtgUHd8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TnOe8onCfM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKkmWTMsJbQ
I then spent roughly the same amount of time looking for revolver "jams".
The vast majority of hits for "revolver jam" was people saying YES REVOLVERS JAM not actual videos of revolvers jamming. This motherfricker is my favorite:
DON'T RELOAD IN THE BUSHES GUYS
Wow, so if you get obstructions in your cylinder and frame and wait until they jam it up to blow them out you can get a malfunction? Wow.
this isn't even all the semi auto vids of cops, where they almost always have a jam.
I didn't want to use cop vids because I don't like when people use cops and the requirements of their job as evidence of how you should conduct yourself as a civilian in a SD scenario but yeah cop vids have jams all the fricking time.
>didn't want to use cop vids because I don't like when people use cops and the requirements of their job as evidence of how you should conduct yourself as a civilian in a SD scenario
I feel they're the most applicable since most of the jams happen when:
1. they're under pressure
2. the assailant is within stabbing range
3. they're in a self defense situation
It's even better of an example when it happens in an offensive situation because it shows you can't rely on these semi autos when the chips are down, or at least you can't rely on any semiauto that blames it design flaw on the shooter (limp wristing)
My issue with using cops as examples is that the ENTIRE situation would not be one a guy, who is not paid to carry a gun, would be in 99.9% of the time. Your only job as joe blow CCW'er is to break contact and live.
I realize that, but most cops don't ever see action like that, and most cop shoots happen completely unexpectedly. We as the average citizen might only see this happen once, but on the off chance it does happen I'd like to know what to expect. Oftentimes the cop doesn't even have hands on the gun before they're attacked so you get to see what drawing, firing and trying to disengage look like under stress versus when the cop already knows the person is armed and dangerous. The common thread is usually that the semi jams and is cleared at least once during the encounter.
I'm not saying there's nothing to be learned from studying LEO shootings I'm just saying a lot of guys want to make decisions about their own situation based on them without considering how vastly different their situation really is so I always like to frame an argument outside LEO examples if possible.
I get you, but I also think if you're gonna show gun jams it might as well be in the situations where you, as a gun owner who carries for self defense, might expect to use such a weapon. It's not so bad on the gun range, but when it comes to a life or death situation I'd go for what I know will work.
That being said there's semi autos that don't jam nearly as much, but I didn't check every video to see for sure if any were there.
>It's not so bad on the gun range, but when it comes to a life or death situation I'd go for what I know will work.
Which is why I thought a series of clips on gun ranges was illustrative. If it is happening in the best possible environment it's a definite liability in the worst possible environment.
>It's even better of an example when it happens in an offensive situation because it shows you can't rely on these semi autos
Why the hell would you use a pistol in an offensive situation? Pistols are a compromise for ease of carry for unexpected self defense. If you are going the attack you bring a rifle.
>Why the hell would you use a pistol in an offensive situation?
Stealth infiltration.
If you have no other choice, or if it's an impromptu thing like you're a LEO or some three letter agency spook where there's an active shooter like the last one or the Hollywood shooting.
So cases that will not happen to you. And even in those that's still defensive. OFFENSIVE implies you started the fight or at least tried to. Which would mean you use a long gun, or you are an idiot if you don't.
>or if it's an impromptu thing like you're a LEO or some three letter agency spook where there's an active shooter
Well we aren't zogbots so that doesn't apply. And if you are apparently you can just stand there and wait with your thumbs up your asses for an hour.
Dont project your inability to reload a revolver onto me homosexual. Its not that hard, it just takes practice. Cops did it for literally a century. Shoot more, talk less.
use 410 Buck shot. 32 caliber balls. 5 of them per pull.
Snub barrels mean you get less penetration than even powder puff .32 ACP. Short of some of those meme $3 defensive rounds the judge is a big wet fart.
it doesn't really matter three inches is enough to hit major organs.
I'd trust my life to a maybe any day.
Not if you’re attacker is also American
Is that what your girlfriend tells you too?
You better hope that they don’t turn and you hit an arm, they aren’t muscular, they don’t have heavy clothing on. Ballistics gel penetration does not equal penetration in a human. The calibration BBs go in 3” in gel
Agreed. I carry a full 17 rd magazine, two extra magazines, a backup, and a backup backup. If you don't, you're ngmi.
If you've fired six shots and the threat is somehow still present, what are you still doing in that situation? How did you miss all those shots but manage to stay alive? Get the frick out of there. Your gun is supposed to keep you safe. If that means you made the guy cower and gave you an opportunity to dive into your car and drive off, then it did its job.
But like other anons said. 3/3/3
Cope and sneed. The spring in your magazine will have given out before I make it through a single rotation of my cylinder. Only the dumbest, most ignorant, reddit-browsing, basedence-believing magger would think the revolver is obsolete. The greatest guns in history are all revolvers. The future will be dominated by revolvers. Magazines are a newfangled, untrustworthy and unreliable fad.
BASED
>didn't name the image GROOVY
You had one chance to be cool and you blew it with a shitty troll post.
Based and readytostopHollywoodbankrobbery pulled.
>he wasn't rootin' and tootin' enough to hit with 6 shots
Never gonna make it partner
haah yeah! you tell em! you know everyone requires a polymer framed double stack 9mm! notoriously usefull for things like bears and cougers! 9mm has good enough stopping power compared to 357 magnum or 44 mag! who needs all that extra weight and muzzle energy anyway? oh yeah and lets not forget that even though revolvers are better at dealing with the most likely issue to come up (dud primer) a problem that would be easily solved with a mag fed pistol by simply taking a moment to rack the slide. im sure in a defensive situation everyone from your top teir operator to your average joe has the 2 free hands required to manage a jammed pistol.
oh wait...
>requires a polymer framed double stack 9mm! notoriously usefull for things like bears and cougers!
First, this is less likely for most people than needing a gun in self defense. And secondly 9mm does work against bears and cougars. Based off of data that we actually have, a 9mm is plenty to stop a bear attack and that’s worked many times. Cougars, of either the 2 or 4 legged variety, don’t really get over 150lbs. Animals tend to be stronger and have better pain resistance but they are still flesh and blood and relatively small. A 9mm is plenty for any 150lb mammal.
All that said, there is nothing wrong with using a revolver. Revolvers are better now than 100 years ago and people and animals haven’t magically gotten tougher.
>First, this is less likely for most people than needing a gun in self defense. And secondly 9mm does work against bears and cougars. Based off of data that we actually have, a 9mm is plenty to stop a bear attack and that’s worked many times.
That's disingenuous at best, magnums and 10 mm stop in one to three shots, 9mm 45 adjacent and lower tend to need more bullets, at least 5-9 being normal.
https://www.ammoland.com/2021/06/handgun-or-pistol-against-bear-attacks-104-cases-97-effective/#axzz7MqZW6GvU
>That's disingenuous at best
No it isn't. I didn't say you need just as many shots. I said it worked just as well. Who cares if you have to fire 2-3 times or 5-10 times? From your own article:
>Sixteen months later, in 2018, I published the first of this series. We found one failure out of 37 documented cases. That translated to a 97% success rate. Three years later, we have found two more failures, out of 104 documented cases. The success rate remains at 97%.
>Of the three failures, one was with a .22 against a polar bear, one with a .38 against a black bear, and one was with a .357 against a grizzly bear. These cases are particularly instructive because they are the exceptions. They are worth reading.
Also they had 7 cases of .22 pistols being used and 6 of them were successful. The unsuccessful was against a polar bear. If a .22 pistol works against a black bear you think a 9mm won't work against a mountain lion half it's size? If it works who cares how many shots you take? What the frick is disingenuous about that?
Imagine not using a 3" magnum load out of a 12 gauge against a bear. Stick to 9mm if you want. And for that matter, shortened 12 with a pistol grip and buckshot is ideal in home defense, so any Glock gays shitting on revolver flags deserve to be shit upon themselves.
Now that you've moved off topic after it's clear I'm correct, anything else to add?
Look, I own a few 9mm's. They are fine. But the notion that more caliber isn't better when being attacked by any animal is a disingenuous argument. I get it. You are tired of caliber gays making fun of you. And in a home defense scenario, I'd argue 9mm is ok because most people don't practice with their weapons and 9mm will allow you to be more accurate. But a well-trained person familiar with their weapons will be more successful in a close-quarters situation with larger caliber. And I'm still rolling with a 12 gauge in either scenario with Magnum load in bear country, but I'd roll with a 44 if I had to choose a pistol.
>But the notion that more caliber isn't better when being attacked by any animal is a disingenuous argument.
Explain why it's disingenuous you homosexual. The data YOU POSTED literally says it's just as successful at stopping bear attacks as .45 or any other caliber
>We found seven cases where 9 mm pistols were used to defend against bears. All were successful.
Has worked every single time.
>And I'm still rolling with a 12 gauge in either scenario with Magnum load in bear country
Why are you bringing up long guns in a discussion about pistols?
>that shopped pic
Very fitting for .45 owners. A fake image that's kept alive by the perception rather than the reality.
>you have five, six, seven, or eight shots, don't miss
>if you shoot something with .44 magnum 5 times and it gets up, save the last one for yourself
>I hope you like to handload these days
>start watching GIGN videos and learn their drills
With that said I wish I had more revolvers, all I have is a 638, Model 10, and a Wrangler
Respectable start to a revolver collection. Now, get a .357 K or N frame.
>Your hands will shake
My hands won't shake, yours will. Projecting like a mother fricker here. Get some confidence, moron. An inability to handle your self in a crisis is the problem; not the weapon you use.
>7 shot L frames
>8 shot N frames
>Always carry two guns on you, even when carrying autoloaders
>New york reload worked for cops and sheriffs since the 1800's against multiple assailants
Youll be fine dude.
>You miss 7 shot. no you won't be able to load a magazine into your pistol. You won't be able to reach it, or bit the release button fast enough. Your hands will shake and you'll miss the magazine well, or put it in backwards.
frick off.
Don't care, still gonna carry revolvers. Cope and seethe, homosexual.
You sit them down and say '*IF* modern firearms were pretty much all reliable to the point where using a revolver had no real advantage, would you let me prove that to you? Because I care about your safety." And you do it in love. What it would sound like to talk to the 2022 revolver carrier is something like this:
>Hi there!
>I noticed you carry 6 shotty wotty. Did you know dat dare is no weason to cawery dat old gun no more?
>Dat gun not good
>Dat gun siwwy and not hewp you
>Day made a new kinda gun dat works better and smawt peoples cawery da new gun and onwy dumb people cawery dat siwwy old gun day has 6 dummy buwwets
>Dats why not a singwe awrmy man or poweece man cawey dat old poopy revolver
>Onwy stupid poopy peepuls cawery dat dumb old gun
Then help your mentally challenged senior citizen cancel their AARP membership and turn off their television news on the big wood paneled TV for them. Help them to the car and drive them to the nearest gun store to sell their antiqued firearm to a different moronic boomer so that don't embarrass the firearm community or themselves anymore. Also hand them a fresh diaper.
>The only reason to carry a revolver is muh reliability
No. Unless you're carrying a Desert Eagle, you're not getting .44 Magnum power in an automatic.
What’s the use case for a .44 mag or above in terms of defense? For fun or hunting is a perfectly good reason to get one but you aren’t using a Model 29 for HD.
Because I want the shot to hurt me as much as it hurts whatever I'm shooting
~~*The revolver cries out as it hurts you*~~
GnollQM? Is that you?
last i checked people dont like getting shot, and groundwork with a revolver seems kinda easier
Sounds like you guys just aren't using the right revolver.
>Pretty looking pistol
>move on
>bullets
What difference does it make to you, noguns?
What do you say to someone that uses a service cartridge for self defense? If your first 3 shots weren't enough to stop the guy chasing or shooting at you before you got stabbed or shot. No, you won't have perfect shot placement under a stressing situation. Your hands will shake, and your bullets will do nothing with near-misses to the vitals.
Meanwhile with a magnum revolver, it is much easier to hit vitals, and wounds are more grievous to your attacker.
Reminder that Kyle Rittenhouse was in the very worst case scenario anybody could possibly be in, and he got out with 6 shots.
already been shot at before
actually shot at enough times to learn to keep my cool
fun times
what does this mean in context.
adrenaline shakes
yeah but in what context, I can't tell if you're pro or anti revolver going by what you said nor waht the situation is. puzzling read.
are there any good DA semi autos?
pro revolver
When my .357 go clikclickclick I pull out my 9 mm. Just in case.
>Ok
>What can you say to someone who uses a revolver for self-defense?
I open carry a colt police positive and if one of you were to say something to me, i hope its telling me that i am incredibly based
I've had police called on me for open carrying too. Don't care.
I remember seeing a guy in Arizona who was open carrying a vaquero in a diner, had a bolo tie on and everything. My girlfriend was super bothered by it but that guy was a fricking chad.
You are indeed based as frick.
just carry a second revolver?
I don't care about the 3/3/3/ stats, if you carry a gun with only 6 bullets in it you're a pussy. No real man would ever waste the opportunity to legally and lawfully discharge a full 19 rounds magazine into a Black person.
t. third-worlder that had the blessed opportunity to murder a subhuman in self-defense and get away with it
Tell us the story Brazilian anon.
>No real man would ever waste the opportunity to legally and lawfully discharge a full 19 rounds magazine into a Black person.
I would. It’s a waste of ammo and money and I don’t want to replace more carpet and repaint more than I have to. I’m more curious about the effects of 2-5 shots and how well that works than 19. We know 19 shots kills them. Studying a couple shots tells us more.
Regardless I’d like to hear the Black person ventilation story.
Is a model 10 bretty good for defensive purposes? My hands can't handle .357.
.38 has put plenty of dicks in the dirt, just getting ammo is sucky now. I carry my 36 when I don't feel like putting on a holster and am confident it'll get me through any situation I'd encounter.
Models 10s are great
Yes
i don't use woman rounds like 9mm, so i'm not worried
bump
Does anyone have any actual reason reloading with a speedloader or moon clip takes any more dexterity than reloading with a box mag? People managed to do it for 50-100 years or so without problems, I don't know what has suddenly changed.
Fatter fingers in the modern world.
Box mags require one large point of entry. Speed loaders require 5 small points of entry at the same time. Magnum rounds especially have issue because the play in the slots of the speed loader means the bullet end has a wide range of motion.
that's a non issue with trad speedloaders, with moonclips it entirely depends on how well they're made but you could get similar performance. Ultimately a non issue unless you buy cheap shit.
The cylinder wont move (when held properly) and the bullets shouldnt be that loose in moonclips or speedloaders. Youre not really carefully matching each round to fit in, if you have the right equipment as long as you fit one in theyll all be snug
Pistol
Mag release, insert mag, slide release
Revolver
Cylinder release (some revolvers depending on hands will have you change grip to press), tilt revolver up, extractor pressed in, tilt revolver down, put moonclip in/match speedloader with cylinder -> press in or turn knob on speedloader, press cylinder in
I love revolvers and what i said above isnt as slow or hard as it sounds but its a fact that autos will be more easier to load.
irrelevant.
By clicking on those numbers above the post you can see that i was replying to another poster asking a question, not answering if it would matter in a gunfight
Inserting one large, solid object into a large opening is easier than 5-6 smaller objects into smaller openings when those also wiggle a bit. You can be off a bit on your angle with a magazine and it still guides it in. You have more chances to be off with a moon clip or speed loaders and less margin for error. Think of loading a .22 revolver vs a .357. The larger round and larger chambers are easier to load because you can angle it in a bit and it still falls in. A .22 is smaller and harder to hold and doesn’t let you get “guided” in.
Doesn’t mean people can’t be just as quick with speed loaders but there is more work involved. You have to work harder and train more to be as fast as a mag change
they don't wiggle that much in speed loaders or moonclips if your equipment isn't trash.
I would say that I recognize the utility of a spurless/internal hammer small frame revolver for pocket carry. It's what I carry a lot of times when I'm making craigslist sales.
When you’re selling your bussy on Craigslist?
On the two occasions I have seen people shot with .357 magnum they were both immediately stopped. One went into shock and was killed by a followup shot to the upper torso and the other surrendered with a substantial portion of his shoulder hanging out of the exit wound. Compared to the performance of 9mm it is categorically superior at stopping badguys.
I would also rate revolvers highly for situations where you may be shooting from less than ideal footing.
I will say that anything above or below .357 magnum is getting into either too weak a cartridge to justify using a revolver or too powerful for any realistic scenario. I'm sure there are people with iron wrists who can reliably and accurately put .44 magnum on target in a stressful situation but you are not getting a statistically significant improvement with it. Never seen it fired at or into a human being but it is effective enough against fauna.
>I'm sure there are people with iron wrists who can reliably and accurately put .44 magnum on target in a stressful situation
Those kinds of people will also put two .357s faster than you can blink (and then say their .17 split was decent)
>Compared to the performance of 9mm it is categorically superior at stopping badguys.
When you look at aggregated data there really isn’t much difference. People shoot more with 9mm because you can, not because you have to. Also it’s the most common so more morons have them (cops included because they are morons). A .357 is objectively stronger but the shot per shot performance isn’t that much more.
Revolver CCW guys are normally cool. I'd rather have a beer with them over the average dude running around all gray man with a fricking Glock 43 and neutral colored Asics
Thanks anon, I'd have a beer with you too
You carry a judge loaded with buckshot and you don't miss, homosexual.
>.410
>buckshot
Lmao
It’s the same thing just fewer projectiles. Slower because of a snub barrel but not that much slower
Active Self Protection's John talks about how often he sees a private citizen need a reload in the 40k+ defensive uses he's watched (spoiler, it's zero times) and does a little math to rationalize why he personally feels a reload isn't worth carrying.
I mean if you carry an auto you have to have one because they are unreliable jam-o-matics but revolver bros are gtg.
>I mean if you carry an auto you have to have one because they are unreliable jam-o-matics but revolver bros are gtg.
depends on the pistol, there's a lot of shitty semis out there that jam from "limp wristing" aka a design flaw, but then you've got things like the deagle in 357 or 44 where it'll barely ever jam
Would it be fine to get a used model 38 from the 70's over a new 642 airweight?
I think the new ones are so ugly in comparison.
Absolutely no problem if you can properly perform an inspection. ANY revolver new or used should be properly inspected before filling out the paperwork.
https://www.thesixgunjournal.net/a-revolver-buyers-checklist/
lighter frames means more recoil, but it's 38 so whatever you want to do
>your six shots weren't enough
weren't enough to what? I'm not assaulting a position with my CCW, I'm trying to break contact and get the frick away from a lethal threat. Literally the one and only time I've ever been attacked on the street, as soon as I ripped my shirt open and reached for my revolver, the methoid radically re-evaluated his life choices did the "what the frick I was just messing around shrimp dick" thing that punks do when they decide they do not actually want to find out, and ran away with his tail between his legs.
You *as a civilian* have the option to run away, and the point of your CCW is to facilitate escape, not to obtain fire superiority.
Revolvers are awesome solely because they piss off people that look at other dudes dicks in restrooms
My friend's cousin's uncle used a taurus judge for home defense once. He was sitting at home about to do some sudoku when he heard his backdoor open. He grabbed his judge loaded with birdshot went downstairs and shot the meth head once. The birdshot evaporated his upper torso. Honestly the judge is all you need for personal protection.
>He grabbed his judge loaded with birdshot went downstairs and shot the meth head once. The birdshot evaporated his upper torso
I don’t believe you
It's a true story. Fr fr no cap.
No it's not
>The birdshot evaporated his upper torso
No it didn't
Bruh.. you did not just fall for that bait after "my friend's cousins uncle..." Was the opener
its not something worth getting in an argument over but a quality semi-auto is going to be slimmer and easier to carry.
You don't need more ammo. Not for any defensive situations.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_New_York_City_Subway_shooting
But constraining your selection to your concealed carry sheepdog self defence LARP is in bad faith. Good people are not considering firearms for that purpose.
#snubgang
#snublife
#natehiggers
Snub gang
*Carries extra revolvers*
"The future is now an old man"
Taurus makes a damn fine revolver that can be had for a few hundred dollars and will be more reliable than any polymer semi auto handgun. The whole "revolvers are expensive" meme is getting old.
I have one. Solid pocket gun, and unlike a semi-auto, it won't get its action clogged with lint.
That's why you carry two revolvers
I've shot DAO so much I'm better with DA than SA. I'm committed to this skill tree and I'm going to stick with what I'm good at
>same
it's weird and I didn't expect it to happen.
My theory about it is that the time it takes to pull through(even though it's still fast) gives you time to fix any alignment errors between when you start and when it goes off. Obviously with a light SA trigger you better have your shit together before you start applying pressure on the trigger. Also because your muscles are already tensed from pulling before it's gonna go off any error you'd induce under tension is already there and corrected for in the time gap before ignition unlike with a SA where you tensing and then BANG leaves you no time to fix anything. I have noticed this phenomenon with inexperienced shooters doing better with a DA revolver. Something about the process makes the BANG not a surprise like it is with SA and it reduces flinching too.
I essentially treat it as a two stage trigger that I can bypass the first stage of if I want. First pull weight to get the hammer back, then fully squeeze and follow through. When I'm not thinking about it I will squeeze all the way through, but if I'm taking a difficult for me shot, I'll stage the hammer with the first pull, and follow through like I described.
Staging is a thing but my thought it you should train to always pull through in one continuous motion. I don't want to train hesitation into my trigger pull. If I'm pulling it's because my brain has decided I need to shoot. If I need to shoot I want that shot to occur as fast after the decision as possible and your trigger pull needs to be exactly the same everytime you do it so you have the autonomic muscle memory to execute on autopilot.
Interesting. I find the exact opposite, in that the DA trigger weight and length gives me more time to flinch. I also have worse aim with striker guns than SA hammer fired, though I've heard beginners usually do better with strikers due to the surprise you mentioned about DA.
>the DA trigger weight and length gives me more time to flinch.
If you're complaining about trigger pull weight you haven't put in enough work. simple as. If a weight feels heavy to you it's because you're not strong enough for that weight. I get that for people used to striker or SA triggers DAO feels heavy as shit but it won't if you put in the work to master the DAO trigger. If you DO put in that work it will up your trigger game across the board which is why I advocate gitting gud with a DAO revolver even if you're never going to carry one for serious work.
>you haven't put in enough work
I made my comment as a reply to anon's theory why beginners do better with DA. Not putting in any work is sort of a given for beginners, so I was mentioning how I was as a beginner, but also as a semi-experienced shooter with only SA experience after working out my flinching for the most part.
I do plan on working more with DA with my new revolver, but honestly I only target shoot, never competition or self defense training, so the crisp, short, light SA trigger is just too nice. Interesting theory about DA training increasing skill with SA as well, so we will see how that goes.
http://www.sixguns.com/
http://www.darkcanyon.net/skeeter_skelton.htm
https://tacticalprofessor.wordpress.com/category/revolvers/
https://www.johnlinebaughcustomsixguns.com/writings
http://snubnose.info/
https://revolverguy.com/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZaxay1eXks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJbsLrAxNjY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1umkX3wM58
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tno_gsjVE0k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDP8BRSEjrA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOeEAY3nNKk
Start@41mins https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ov3H-_WQwAI
www.thesixgunjournal.net/a-revolver-buyers-checklist/
http://ballisticradio.com/2018/01/31/if-you-cant-get-it-done-in-8-6-7-or-5-podcast-season-5-ballistic-radio-episode-238-january-21st-2018/
>I have noticed this phenomenon with inexperienced shooters doing better with a DA revolver.
Maybe. But I have also noticed experienced shooters doing better with DA revolvers. Perhaps the trigger system does have some legitimate merits. Really though, you're going to shoot better with whichever trigger you practice with, and there aren't as many people practicing with DA revolvers as SA or striker fired guns.
>Really though, you're going to shoot better with whichever trigger you practice with, and there aren't as many people practicing with DA revolvers as SA or striker fired guns.
Which is why I try to extol the merits of revolvers as much as possible. So many new/younggays don't understand why they are a useful tool in becoming a better overall shooter because they're never been exposed to revolvers. I took my niece's fiance shooting before they got married. He was like 25 and was raised around guns and he had never handled a revolver in his life. He was a fan by the time we left the range.
>Defense
Ngmi
I carry a mini cop derringer (.22) that’s been modified/bored to fit .22tcm9r
Only four bullets.
If there’s five Black folk I’m screwed.
Is the only difference between the S&W model 36 and 60 is that the latter is stainless steel? Is that enough to let it shoot .357?
I'm looking to only shoot .38 special and trying to decide what to carry.
Not really. Truth be told, pretty much any steel j frame can handle .357 pressures every once in a while, but shooting hot loads like that will substantially increase wear. The heavy barrel Model 10 is basically the same gun as the Model 13 aside from the cylinder being slightly longer on the 13. Same goes for .38 vs .357 magnum j frames. If you just want to shoot .38s, then you might as well just get a 36. I recommend a grip adapter, I love my 49 with one.
i defend my home with a matching pair of remington 1858 revolvers i think 12 rounds of .44 are enough for me imho
I carry my j frame in my jacket pocket or fanny pack when wearing elastic wastebands or formal wear. Shooting through the bag or pocket would make me feel pretty bad ass
I assume anyone who posts a photo with a white background is just a shit talking clown with no guns
>witch doctor EDC
What's with the altoids tin full of chewed gum?
also currious
It's some kind of small shrine to what appears to be Santa Muerte, a Latin-american death-cult saint that was dropkicked out of orthodox Catholicism about 12 years ago. It's essentially a portable reliquary.
>coca leaf? It strongly resembles bay laurel, so a Larping gay would just use bay leaves instead.
>three pennies in the form of the Trinity, at least one defaced with a cigarette/doob.
Not sure about the two objects in the top of the "shrine" side.
>Small statue, poss of Sta. Muerte (see the green statue above right)
>Burning skulls, have several connotations in Catholicism but in Voodoo and the cult they're more associated with accessing a sacred level of cognition through heavy drug use.
>Iron nail wrapped in cord or rawhide. Common general Catholic item carried to remind you of the Crucifixion. Bascially "shitsux, but it could be worse".
In this case it's more likely to be intended for shanking door locks than it is the religious purpose. Can also be used to utterly destroy and seeze up a one-sided lock in a pinch, or do a little stabbin' as a distraction.
>gold and silver keys, normally a symbol of St. Peter's keys to heaven.
In this case they're handcuff keys with zip tie bypasses in the tip. Both metal objects are retained with magnets to make them not rattle.
Whole shrine has been filled with poured resin to hold the magnets and trinkets down, looks like it might just be UV-reactive stuff
Basically it's just the kind of shit a Catholic-adjacent animist would carry for religious purposes heavily adapted to evasion and basic criminal activity. Pick sets aren't good enough to be a hitman, but the quality of stuff suggests a courier or low-level dealer rather than a grunt-level banger or someone in the upper reaches.
Pretty weird choice of handgun for such a character.
Here's another
Wow, pretty close. The ventilator handle is made of human bone. You should see the rest of my lockpicks, killermaru Industries makes amazing tools.
I have lots of guns that's just a fun one to train other people to shoot with.
>6 shots
Slow down there, Rambo
"No honest man needs more than 5 rounds" - Gandhi
I kneel.
>What can you say to someone who uses a revolver for self-defense?
Very little, most of them have already made up their mind and at least they're carrying.
I have killed and arrested dozens of androids. If it’s good enough to take down those biomechanical demons, I can assure you I can take down a fellow human
Fricking nice watch bro
Get one if you can, it’s based
>2022 and still wearing a dumb watch
LMAO!
Oh and FYI - the digital display is designed and rated to be legible while using NVG’s. Perfect for hunting android freaks at night.
that's that SWAT revolver that kicks tons of ass, have you used it to hunt
It’s fun to shoot and very accurate with .38 sp. Takes practice to be just as accurate with .357 but it’s worth it.
Something an android would say
I usually think tacticool revolvers sound like a walking abortion but that actually looks badass
lmao morons
*dabs*
use superior grip ergonomics so as to not miss your shots
>reload
for what purpose ?
There is nothing that a revolver does that is not objectively inferior or redundant to an auto pistol
Capacity: autos have 2-3x more ammo
Accuracy, unless you're whipping out a 6in revolver its the same accuracy
"Stopping power": redundant, pistol calibers only do crush damage. That is the damage caused by the hole created by the bullet, they don't do hydrostatic damage so the only thing you get is better penetration, 9mm can go through someone maybe only being stopped by the spine
Reliability: redundant, most modern autos have insane reliability, look up the stoppage rates is the army testing to select the m9 and that was 35 years ago
Weight
Size
Price
I could go on and on
>they don't do hydrostatic damage
>Laughs in 460 S&W Magnum
Don't listen to this guy, he's moronic.
>I could go on and on
But you would be wrong. Revolvers are more reliable in self defense, damage and fire wise, we've already had dozens of examples showing semis jam regularly under pressure, revolvers don't. If you compare 9mm or most other semi calibers to 357 in hunting or large animal attacks magnum caliber is the clear winner, why wouldn't that be true in a self defense situation. Being lightweight and cheap also isn't a plus, which you should know if you fired a gun, cheap light guns are pieces of shit and prone to jamming with heavier recoil, heavy weight offsets recoil in a big way.
>Accuracy, unless you're whipping out a 6in revolver its the same accuracy
It is the fixed barrel that makes revolvers accurate, not the barrel length
>What can you say to someone who uses a revolver for self-defense?
Hello
Contrary to what /k/ gays believe, reloading in a defensice situation is rare. Id tell him good job, now when you flee the scene the police don't have shell casings. Lets be honest, im more concernced about the DA making a martyr out of the Black person i just shot.
>Bernhard Goetz still holds the record for most attackers shot in a self defense scenario outside the home, which has never been tied, when he shot 4 attackers with a 5 shot .38 special revolver in 1984, and his self defense case was as nationally known at the time as George Zimmerman and Kyle Rittenhouse are today
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_New_York_City_Subway_shooting
>the most attackers shot in a home defense scenario in the US also tops out at 4
>the most attackers shot in a self defensive scenario anywhere in the world is 6, the defender knew the attacker was coming a day in advance and took the time to fortify their position, involved a cartel that was effectively powerful enough to be a form of government, and the defender still died because scenarios with that many attackers who don't run away after the shooting starts aren't winnable
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alejo_Garza_Tamez
>handgun caliber choice doesn't really matter, with popular self defense calibers being enough gun ever for defense against bears
https://www.ammoland.com/2021/06/handgun-or-pistol-against-bear-attacks-104-cases-97-effective/
>the average distance a police sniper needs to fire from is only 51 yards with the longest confirmed shot at 187 yards, longer range defensive shootings don't exist
https://www.policemag.com/339408/swat-snipers
>the longest recorded defensive shooting where the defender didn't have time to set up beforehand (ie wasn't a police sniper) is 104 yards, was in defense of others rather than self defense, and the defender used a handgun
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/12/08/police-officer-tx-shoots-suspect-104yds-holding-horses-handgun/
Pretty much covers everything
If you need more than 6 shots at one time you're probably fricked anyway.
homies been using revolvers for a long time I think they'll be fine
>your hands are shaking
boomer fuddlore same thing with pressing the lever release on an m4 with your thumb
Five shots of standard pressure lead round ball .38 special is unironically all you need for self defense.
Are you sure you’re not the one who needs a talking to anon?
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Daily reminder that the most assailants ever involved in a self defense shooting in America was 4.
>What can you say to someone who uses a revolver for self-defense?
Please don't shoot I am leaving look hands up
>tries to insult revolver fans
>unironically posts a judge
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