I am going to the Balkans in like a week and need to get a bivvy to sleep in. Any suggestions? It has to fit in a 40x30x20 backpack
What bivvy do I get?
I am going to the Balkans in like a week and need to get a bivvy to sleep in. Any suggestions? It has to fit in a 40x30x20 backpack
>I am going to the Balkans in like a week
No you aren't
>need to get a bivvy to sleep in
Ever heard a tent? bich
>no you aren't
Want proof?
>tent
Won't fit in my backpack
A hammock with a zip up enclosure is 10x more comfy.
Outdoor Research Alpine Bivy
Ask me how I know you're not white.
OR Alpine
you're welcome
ignore this whiny b***h
Get something that has a lot of loops, makes it comfier to set up if you wanna get it nice and tight, loops running on the top of it is also a nice bonus. I have a Helikon 3x3 supertarp, but ive only ever had a few ones so i dont know how it compares to different ones, but i like it myself, just wish it was a bit thicker but for summer camping i've had fun with it and it was like 50eur so no big loss.
Bring a tent anon you wont miss the bugs sleeping with you under that bivy and its only a few more kilos to carry it's fine 🙂
>a week
whatever one you can find lol
maybe try British army bivvy and British army jungle sleeping bag or something similar that has a built in bug net
or buy a bug net and hang it over your bivvy
Probably best getting a small tent or hammock like others have suggested but otherwise this (snugpak)
Bivies are a meme. They only offer shelter when you’re sleeping and have serious condensation issues outside of extremely low humidity (such as high elevation or deserts).
You probably fricked up by waiting so long. Sucks to be you. Your options are limited because of shipping, and because you’re European. Europeans can’t into non-freestanding tents.
Get a tarp and seal the seams. Get a foldable pad like a Thermarest Z-Lite. Get insect repellent for your face and shoulders if you can’t get a bug net in time (which you probably can’t, because, again, you waited too long and you’re European).
>Get a tarp
100% this.
If you want the bivy experience, sleep in the tarp folded over you like a taco for low-profile/stealth nights. Then enjoy the overhead protection once you get to more secluded ground or get the bivy thing out of your system.
The tarp goes over the bivy, anon--like a lean to to block wind and rain. We get that you can't actually afford a good bivy and had a bad experience with a shitty one but stop pretending to know anything about bivvy bags.
Takes good advice and turns it moronic.
There’s no point to putting a bivy under a tarp.
>rain
That’s what the tarp is for
>wind
That’s what the tarp is for
>insects
That’s a bug net
>wet ground
That’s a ground sheet
>There’s no point to putting a bivy under a tarp.
>>rain
>That’s what the tarp is for
>>wind
>That’s what the tarp is for
>That’s a bug net
>>wet ground
>That’s a ground sheet
Now change the word "tarp" for TENT and you've got it. When will tarpgays learn?
Anon, that was posted in response to some mongoloid suggesting someone use a bivy under a tarp, which is both redundant and superfluous.
No its not. A tarp allows you the room to cook, to change clothes, to pack up your gear, to do anything without getting soaked in the rain. No one who has actually been out with a bivvy in the rain would say that a tarp is redundant and superflous. You can quit larping now.
This board is too hostile and moronic. This is exactly what I was saying; you don’t need a bivvy when you have a tarp. But you wanted to argue with someone for some reason.
Because you have no idea what your talking about. A bivy and a tarp are perfect for eachother. The Tarp keeps the rain and wind off of you and the bivy protects your sleeping pad and bag from the ground and debris while also giving limited bug protection.
This has been covered. See:
A ground sheet and a bug net serve those purposes while not being confining condensation traps.
Bivvies are the ultimate litmus test for larpers.
if you are bringing a tarp, a bugnet and a groundsheet you might as well have a tent.
>muh condensation
gear issue. get a better tent
>might as well get a tent
Yeah maybe. It won’t be as light not as compact, plus I can’t DIY a tent. But the point (for like the third time; I’m not sure why you’re not getting it when I’ve said is clearly again and again) is that you don’t need a bivvy if you have a tarp.
Again, just to be clear for the morons: you don’t need a bivvy if you have a tarp.
>condensation is a gear issue
There is not a single bivvy that won’t have condensation issues in most environments.
I use a bivy and I don't have problems with condensation. Maybe you're just a contrarian homosexual who doesn't know what he's talking about.
>I fully enclose my body into a waterproof sack and by some unknown, metaphysical function the warm moisture trapped next to my body doesn’t condense on a cold surface
Please tell us more
you summed it up. Maybe it's not the problem you make it out to be 100% of the time.
>what is goretex
>what is Gore-Tex?
A very old meme.
It’s an overhyped material that’s been sold strictly on theory and marketing for several decades. It wets out quite easily; this is a known problem (well, not known by you, apparently). For that reason alone, it’s a terrible choice for a shelter. There’s also the fact that in order to breathe, the relative humidity on the inside of the garment has to lower than the outside. Relative humidity is highest and temps are lowest just before sunrise.
Sure, you’ll have less condensation than nylon or polyester (maybe). But it will still be an issue compared to a ventilated tent. And Gote-Tex has too many failures to use as a shelter.
You used a lot of words to demonstrate you have zero clue what you're talking about nor do you own a bivy. You're comment is exactly what I'd expect someone to regurgitate that has no personal experience and spends a ton of time on Reddlt.
I've used bivvies off and on for almost thirty years and everything you said is moronic and largely irrelevant.
My experience with Gore-Tex would simply mount to “I wore a rain jacket and still got wet.” I wouldn’t know why without looking into it, and understanding the limitations of the gear. The reason you hear so many people talk about the limitations of Gore-Tex is because it’s common knowledge.
>I saw a thing on Reddit, therefore it’s wrong
Oh ok.
Gore-Tex also has a limited lifespan, so the army surplus meme is a double whammy of gayness.
The waterproofing wears out--the fabric doesn't magically break down. You can re-water proof it my dude--just like every other waterproofed synthetic fiber on the fricking market.
>It won’t be as light not as compact
how much does your tarp + bugnet + groundsheet weigh
>moron has trouble staying on topic
Alright, here we go. For the fourth time: you don’t need a bivvy if you’re using a tarp.
Also, 14.8oz. That’s with a 7x9 tarp and a bug net with an attached floor. It all Borah Gear, as recommended by some random Anon.
The borah...bug bivy? Lol, sometimes I think the bivy battle here is based on language. A bug bivy is a bivy to some since it doesn't need structure to work, but others only use bivy to describe water-proof sacks. I have the borah bivy, but that's because condensation from temperature dropping and fog won't be stopped by the tarp for my next of the woods.
Borah Gear is wrong. By definition, a bivvy is a waterproof shelter.
Definition in the dictionary, which is exactly what I mean by people's use differing (even if it's wrong). Although the definition in Websters is 'weatherproof' so a wind resistant material does fall under that if that's the 'weather'. And i can see why the word gets used, hard to look at a floored bug net that is clearly separate from a tarp or tent but with limited structure, and not see it as bivy-like. Distinct but not clearly diffiereiated.
>Websters
Well there's your problem right there
Yeah except we’ve been saying “bivvy” to refer to a fricking sack for decades now.
>Bivvies are the ultimate litmus test for larpers.
Post your last out.
>Post your pics!
>You don't PrepHole
Says every unoriginal moron in every thread. Imagine coming to PrepHole and posting nothing but the same 10 comments in every thread yet somehow believing you're anything but a dead weight.
>you don’t need a bivvy when you have a tarp
If you're in the forest and its raining then there will be a fine damp mist that comes from water hitting the trees which gets under the tarp and it'll damp your sleeping bag eventually. If its windy even more so.
Yeah man, the tarp in the rain is 10/10. You don't need to be cooped up in a tent all day, it's great. I have spent many days and nights under a tarp in the rain, watching the storm blow through the forest, telling yarns with my companions. Keeping the dog dry when it wants to go get wet. Have a fire outside the tarp that you can still enjoy. Catching water off the tarp and drinking lots of coffee. Its just a tarp vibe that you can't replicate, it makes a rainy day in the bush something that you crave as much as the good weather.
I guess being in a good tent is probably gonna be drier over all. but cooking in a tent sucks, I'm there to be outside and a tarp lets you do that.
Kinda. Depending on the type of bivy, size of tarp, and conditions it may make more or less sense. Like a water resistant bivy could get away with a very small tarp and help block the wind. In winter a canvas or goretex could be a good choice especially in a dry winter.
German military bivi. lightweight, goretex. I would only use a bivi above treeline though when you can be sure to get plenty of wind. Otherwise its going to be too stuffy and wet. Better get a hammock for the forest, or a tent if you are doing tourist hiking trails.
Bivys should be used with a tarp set up.
I've never had a problem moisture. I also never use it in the summer (i use a tent), so there's that.
Bivies are the most moronic thing ever.
Just bring a tarp.
Get a hammock
Vagrant holiday is kino as hell
Seemed like a cringy wannabe edgelord to me
I'm sure no one is as cool as you. You're my hero.
Lol, I'm literally doing that right now. In republic of Srpska right now. Less bivvy, more just sleeping in public areas. Pic rel, kotor MonteBlack, just slept in the emergency boat thing.
>just slept in the emergency boat
Pic from the inside or gay
I use picrel.
handles condensation well with the bug net. stargazing is nice too.
The primary benifit of bivvy bags over tents is weight.
But these surplus military bivvy bags that morons on here like to constantly recommend are heavy as frick and literally weigh more than your average 2 man hiking tent, which completely defeats the benifit.
If you want a bivvy bag, buy an actual alpine/hiking bivvy bag. They are better than the military bags in almost every aspect (weigh many times less, better HH, better breathability, take less space in your backpack, often have quality of life features such as bug nets built in).
There are many to choose from.
Outdoor research helium and Sierra Designs backcountry are both very popular. If you're looking for something cheaper then check out the trekmates storm bivvy.
>more than your average 2 man hiking tent,
no they only weigh more than your average ultralight 1p hiking tent. the goretex bivy with bugnet is 1,1kg or something.
Would never take a bivvy in summer. But they really shine in winter. Bivvy + Tarp or just Bivvy by itself is great in the snow by a fire.