What are we thinking about the JAKL? GT says its outright better than a SCAR or ACR, but not better than a quality AR15 at the same pricepoint.
Is this the best rifle for someone that hates DI and buffer tubes?
What are we thinking about the JAKL?
What are we thinking about the JAKL? GT says its outright better than a SCAR or ACR, but not better than a quality AR15 at the same pricepoint.
Is this the best rifle for someone that hates DI and buffer tubes?
Don't know jackshit about the Jackal and have no intention of buying Palmetto State Armory due to the fact that I've only ever seen fat mouth breathing and unhygienic morons wearing PSA gear or talking about their PSA purchases. It might be the best products in the world but they need to work on their brand image.
As for the type of action it uses, yes it is superior to the DI system in my opinion but I say this 99% because it's just nicer to tear down and clean. I hate cleaning AR's but I've had a few AK's and a Brenn 2, all of which are far less annoying to clean and didn't have the lame as charging handle of an AR.
That said, $1,000 for an AR will in fact get you a very accurate 100% reliable firearm with cheap modularity.
PSA will never evolve from being poverty tier because that's their whole shtick. The owner of PSA is actually kinda autistic about their shit being as affordable as possible. Yeah they make stuff that isnt cheap but cheap for what it is and that reflects on the brand a lot. Basically PSA will always be a budget brand because that's the goal.
PSA will go down as the Toyota of the firearms industry.
No one can tell me that a $130 blem lower, a $400 upper with an FN barrel, and a decent bolt carrier isn’t going to perform up there with rifles 1.5 or 2 times it’s cost.
The Toyota brand is 86 years old, and existed long before patents existed.
I hope that PSA is "the toyota of firearms" because that means they'll be around for a long time.
How long has Geissele and DD been around now? Not as long as Toyota, and Toyota fought a war AGAINST America too.
>existed long before patents existed
tf are you talking about? Patents have been around since the founding of the United States.
t. IP attorney
People think that patents are some American thing, when they existed in the 15th century
Patents, pretty much are an american thing. The US was the first country to use them at scale in a way that protected invention meaningfully. Like Microsoft made the first tablet, but nobody claims tablets are a microsoft thing. You dont have to be first to popularize the use of something.
Something being good for the price isn't the same as something not needing to be good because it's more of a box than a functional part
Well, the other thing they could do is create a secondary banner like how Honda did with Acura, Toyota did with Lexus or Nissan did with Infinity. Everytime I hear Palmetto state I think of "Palmetto bugs" anyway, which if you aren't from Florida, you might not know what that means.
Regardless, they could create a halo banner that would lend credibility to their budget line while drawing in a more exclusive customer with better profit margin.
They are already doing it. That’s what the Sabre is, a higher end version of their AR line.
If they sabre the jackal and ditch the nitiride barrel it would be worth it.
I dont dig the charging handle placement but its not the end of the world.
>Thing
:/
>Same thing but under a more expensive and pretentious brand label
:O :O :O :O
We have palmetto bugs in VA. You arent special
Imagine being a homosexual that buys guns due to brand imagine.
A lot of people who call shooting a "hobby" are doing a dick measuring contest with other people who are similarly too poor to do it with fancy cars
>Guns are knives and project cars now
The more time goes on there's less things boomers do that I can actually hate on because it's no longer generational or the boomers did it the more fun way.
PSA is single handedly lowering the barrier of entry into funs for so many people. I understand it’s in their best interest as a company, but they’re literally taking guns that would otherwise be unattainable for a majority of folks and selling them for cheap. The plethora of PSA ARs, their AK line, the Rock 5.7, the Dagger etc. You gain no internet cool guy points for being a snob/elitist about one of the best gun manufacturers to date.
>here’s your (you)
How the frick do you think they're able to sell them for cheap without making them for cheap?? You think they're able to spend less money to make the same quality gun despite having a far smaller R&D budget due to the lack of contracts? How do you think that works?
military 1911s were made cheaply too and they're the most famous pistol of all time.
Google "economies of scale," precisely the thing you're working against here
the entire reason PSA can sell JAKLs for their price is because they make so many of them, and the individual parts are not expensive to create.
Just because somethings cheap doesnt mean it's bad but it does mean it's quality leaves a lot to be desired. If it work it works and if you don't care about the nicer finish, better tolerances, smoother feel then you can settle for that. There's nothing wrong with being utilitarian but some prefer upgrading to nicer things.
>what is economy of scale
yawn you're a dime per dozen fart-huffing intellectual that doesn't actually understand anything he's arguing
you're the guy that said Helmets were useless in ww1 because guys came back with head injuries
>How the frick do you think they're able to sell them for cheap without making them for cheap??
Anon doesn't know what economy of scale is.
economies of scale doesn't just automatically make something cheap. If gun A and B cost $500 and $700 to manufacture a piece at 500 units, B is still going to be roughly proportionally more expensive to A at 2,000 units.
It's why grunts aren't issued Daniel Defense rifles.
I'm not trying to be a snob, I'm just saying PSA is a entry level manufacturer and it'll always be like that. That's not a bad thing but it has that stigma of being a budget option for new gun owners so is it wrong to suggest people eventually move away from that and go with higher quality/ nicer stuff?
I own a PSA rifle. It's out of spec and has been since day one, with a lower that's physically incapable of retaining the trigger pin since they drilled the holes too big. PSA is trash that is marketed to poor people who won't ever shoot enough to know the difference.
Is shtick a israelite word? And no. Israel has literally never made a good rifle. Sig has also become trash since Ron Cohen took over, so frick off with that.
>Is shtick a israelite word?
bro......come the frick on. you can't be this stupid. how old are you? you have to be under 20 if you don't know "shtick" is a israelite word, its been that way for at least 50 years now.
Shtick, Schmule, Chutzpah. Everyone that isn't a israelite can see these israelite Words like a glowing beacon in the night, don't be fricking dumb.
You're 100% right about PSA products being intended for people who don't actually shoot their guns. A lot of cheaper manufacturers know most people are normies and probably never get to 2000 rounds out of a single gun and they under-build/ cut corner on them purposely to make the product cheaper. That's why I don't settle for cheap shit that works because I actually shoot my guns constantly.
denounce the talmud. say that israel isn't a real nation.
Israel isn't a real nation, and the talmud is a book written by heretical Christ deniers. I'll continue to use the word shtick because I like how it sounds.
i can respect that. Schtick can be a CONQUERED word that we STOLE from israelites, thats okay.
But stop conflating israelites with stuff thats good, because thats the opposite of reality.
Mysterious how you’ve avoided this post
Try rewriting your points in a non turbo autist halfbrained way
May we see it?
>a lower that's physically incapable of retaining the trigger pin
do you have a cassette trigger? Regardless of manufacture, reciever pin holes are supposed to be .156 +.0015/-.0 and the pins are .154 +.0/-.0005, they have a loose fit on purpose because the lower holes are meant to float the pins, the trigger pin is retained by the hammer spring, not the holes in the lower.
Yeah, I know how it's supposed to work. It just has a standard milspec FCG, yet it's sloppy enough for the pin to work it's way out under recoil. The spring is on top of the pin, so I know it wasn't improper assembly. I just have anti rotation pins in it now. Not that I shoot it. It just occupies a corner, as a reminder of my poorgay years.
Unpopular opinion but not everyone should have guns. Just like universal suffrage was a mistake, so is arming people that can't even take care of themselves.
I agree with this in principle but I refuse to give up my arms regardless
t. can't take care of himself
>brand image
this is your brain on social media.
>nicer to tear down and clean. I hate cleaning AR's
then stop using bleach, Black person
seriously though, ARs are easy as frick to clean, just hose that shit down with CLP & you're golden
even fricking crayon eaters & hajis are able to do that shit, how can you not?
>brand image
Holy kek you fricking female
>, yes it is superior to the DI system
Nope. Piston driven = SHITTER. Even HK piston driven rifles fail the basic mud test.
>I define the quality of a rifle by filling it with mud.
Really tickles the noggin.
>I don't care about how well a rifle functions in adverse conditions.
Really activates my almonds.
Then someone posts a cold test and DI shits the bed.
Or drops the gun in water and DI shit the bed.
Or gets the gun dusty and has DI shit the bed.
There are always trade offs when it comes to how a firearm action perform.
The DI system is very good at blowing large detritus out of the action. But it is not good at dealing with cold or excessive moisture.
Piston actions don't do anything to remove detritus from the action and are reliant on putting the chamber and locking surface deep enough forward of the ejection port that it keeps mud and the like from getting inside.
But, they are able to deal with cold and water far better. And historically DI has not been good at dealing with dust (but there could be extenuating circumstances there).
>Or drops the gun in water and DI shit the bed.
>Or gets the gun dusty and has DI shit the bed.
These two have never happened
>inb4 cherry picking with a mystery meat 200 dollar AR
The AR15 is sensitive to water.
This is something you should know as an owner of one. If you submerge the gun in water, and then get water into the gas tube, the gun will not work. The pressure spike will likely blow your gas tube out of the gun.
You are basically relying on there being a bubble created by air pressure in the gas tube before the gun goes into the water to stop that from happening. If you have luck, it will stay water free. If you don't, it will blow the action.
Cycling the action while the gun is still wet makes this more likely to happen. So drain your gun fully.
Pic related is from dust testing done by the US Army in the early 2000s.
The magazine stoppages should have made you stop and think "hmm, maybe this testing is bullshit and the program designed to oust the M4 is working as intended".
They use the same fricking mags you absolute turboBlack person. THIS IS HOW CAREERS IN AQUISITIONS ARE MADE. There are FLOORS of office weenies who LOSE THEIR JOBS if equipment doesn't need to be replaced.
The M4 wasn't replaced in 2008, in case your memory's a little fuzzy. Someone called bullshit, but that's less interesting to online forums than the published bullshit.
>Then someone posts a cold test and DI shits the bed.
It doesn't.
>Or drops the gun in water and DI shit the bed.
One disadvantage of DI is if the gas tube floods, but that's it, and also never happens. If the gas tube is flooded the soldier has drowned.
>Or gets the gun dusty and has DI shit the bed.
DI performs better than anything else in dust tests, you're just making anti-factual claims now.
Internal piston is BETTER than external pistol.
lol moronic post
moron doesn't know what he's talking about holy shit, no anon your gun won't blow up from water in the gas tube
>muh dust test
crazy how whenever anybody has tried this since the AR never fails, but every other gun does.
>Then someone posts a cold test and DI shits the bed.
Unless you use dry lubricant then you're good to go. I don't live in a place where it regularly goes negative double digits in the winter. I care more about mud and dirt than freezing.
Ok FN
thanks
This post hurt my feelings.
OK but what does it do that my $300 PSA AR can't do?
fold
Oh wow...
yeah bro compactness is something zero companies have ever chased ever.
no no no no no the government didn't create an entire legal body and set of rules just to dissuade people that want compact rifles, no sir.
A folding stock is so low on the list of shit I care about as a civvie that I care more about the texture on the mag release than that. A folding stock is good for fitting it in your range bag or under a car seat I guess but I don't really care to have that over a standard AR that's the same price.
well thats very cool anon, i'm glad we're both secure in our purchases.
why did you comment again? nobody is debating the ar15 is a good platform.
Because someone said a folding stock is what the JAKL has over an AR? Keeping up with the convo there, champ?
there's ARs with folding stocks too. in fact folding stocks for AR15's are so popular LAW-Folders are one of the most popular aftermarket parts of all time for the ar15 platform.
people WANT folding stocks, stop coping.
You are autistic
sure thing bud
mhmm
and a nogunz
Out of all the ARs that exist what percentage do you genuinely believe have that gay folding stock adapter?
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Whatever you say glowie.
That's not all it does. It's piston driven so it suppresses better (as in less gas blow back to your face) and it gets way less dirty so cleaning it is a breeze.
Buy if you hate Stonerization with a passion
>OK but what does it do that my $300 PSA AR can't do
Not be an AR
Brace bullshit being kill, it's the right piece at the right time. Frick buffer tubes.
>Ameri-Krink
>Brace bullshit being kill
Someone hasn't been paying attention.
The jak, you say? That's definitely a jak face.
Can it be converted to 458? I would love that gun. You could turn the gas off and run it as a straight pull for supprilenced hunting.
>GT says its outright better than a SCAR or ACR
Don't doubt that it's better than ACR, anyway, it's a fat hog that handles like shit. That said, I'm not going to trust anybody who belongs to a marketing firm to tell me what gun to buy
>it's a fat hog that handles like shit
But enough about the SCAR
cope
>cope
I don't own either gun lol, but I'm also not a 22 year old moron who just discovered credit cards so I'm not going to buy a PSA JAKL until and unless any test run by a non-sponsored reviewer leads me to conclude that PSA isn't a garbage company that makes airsoft-quality products. I hope your credit score stays high enough to go to the chiropractor weekly, take your family to Disney World, then go on Carnival cruises when you retire.
>But enough about the SCAR
I don't have any experience with the SCAR, but I've been shooting the ACR for a decade and it really is godawful in terms of handling and balance
Looks real Kool tho
SCAR handles fine, it's much lighter than the ACR and besides the front rail real estate there's no problems with the gun. It's wholly reliable, parts last for ages, it only kills shit optics, NRCH conversions exist if you really care about that. Only issue that the SCAR has is the price of entry, there's no justifying paying $3600. I paid $2200 for mine and think that's a perfectly reasonable price for the performance and longevity I've gotten out of it.
I dont have an opinion on it. The only reason to own a rifle that isnt an AR is larp, and nobody cool uses the jakl so theres nothing to larp as. In that sense, its simply invisible to me.
Now they just need to make one with a dedicated lower.
why? being able to convert ANY lower into a JAKL lower is half the point.
if PSA were to ever attempt to sell a JAKL concept to a foreign military, being able to convert all of their lowers instead of buying new ones would be a major selling point
The only thing I could see this doing for a military contract is motorized troops in the 10.5 or 7 in variants. Being able to keep the same magazines, assuming they’re already using AR mags, would be a nice selling point. Or any other rear line roll for drivers, logistics, transport, etc where size is an issue. For what it was designed it makes more sense, which is to capitalize on AR Exhaustion and give consumers something that’s not an AR but doesn’t require all new everything. Being able to use mags and swap over your SBR’d receiver is very cool.
yeah man folding stocks are so pointless most militaries are adopting them and the Federal Government has to make them illegal.
If folding stocks don't matter why do morons pay a 200 dollar tax stamp for it? Why does the government demand a stamp for them?
Did you have a stroke? Folding stocks have their place but I think they’re mostly pointless on military rifles.
>i think
nobody cares. folding stocks existed for decades before your father cummed inside your prostitute mother.
Dying on hill of folding stocks is a new b8 I’ve never seen before
and you're dying on a hill of buffer tubes
No I just don’t think the stock is an important anything. If your system already has a piston, toss a folding stock. If it has a buffer tube, no sweat. You’re an idiot or b8ing.
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Someone needs to tell Leviathan to pay per character not per post, this is labor fraud
He’s up working late between a Sunday and a holiday, give him a break
>noooo you're only allowed to own an AR15 specifically from DD or KAC or LMT or else you are a government shill
peak irony
No one prefers a fixed stock to a folding stock but at the same time most people just don't give a shit. What is a folding stock going to do for you? Make it easier to put in a smaller bag when you go to the range? If I take my ARs somewhere I usually use small soft case and I just take the lower and upper apart and it fits fine. If that convenience means that much to you then buy the damn thing but there's ARs that are genuinely better quality rifles for the same price.
bump
so why is there an SBR tax? glowboys don't care about tiny rifles now?
You know the NFA was made in the 1930s right?
>SBRs didn't exist in 1930
swing and a miss
SBR is a made up term, before the NFA there was no such thing because it wasnt a term yet.
are you fricking moronic or something? rifles with short barrels have existed since the concept of a rifle existed.
you sound like the morons that conflate "assault rifle" with "assault weapon" and try to say assault rifles aren't real
Define what a "rifle with a short barrel" is without using the NFA's definition.
folding stocks aren't illegal, rifles with a barrel length less than 16" are because it was believed this would help fight the mob in the 30's.
>yeah man folding stocks are so pointless most militaries are adopting them
No, most have realized they are pointless after using them and are going to the HK416 which has no folding stock lol
>the Federal Government has to make them illegal.
Folding stocks aren't illegal.
>If folding stocks don't matter why do morons pay a 200 dollar tax stamp for it?
They don't.
>Why does the government demand a stamp for them?
They don't.
There, that should solve every one of your moronic beliefs: you are wrong about everything because you are fricking stupid.
Why don't they be shooting tracers? This is supposed to be an entertaining video, it's the least they could do, not like they couldn't afford it or it'll set anything on fire.
I know you're reading this GT, or at least someone from your marketing team. Please get tracers for your long-range shots.
>why don't they be
Stop talking like a Black person.
Seems like a cool gun, but I don't see the benefit of it over a good AR. A folding stock isn't a factor for anything other than storage or transport, so that leaves the fact that it's piston driven. If you're operating in an environment where a pistol driven system is preferable to DI, then that could make it worth a look. It would certainly be cheaper than creating some sort of "HK416 at home."
There aren't many long-stroke non-battle rifles out there on the market besides the AK, for one.
oh wow so 3 people in the entire country can find and afford one, very cool
frick off moron
You can literally build one the way you want and order it on their website you gay.
>the way you want
you mean the options they provide you?
No the options Beretta provides you. Of course the options they provide you they're the ones that make the gun dumbass.
>GT says
>GT says
>hop says
>James reeves says
>hop says
>GT says
Fricking homosexual wienersucking Black person, form your own opinions for once in your pathetic fricking life. Jesus fricking christ are you people incapable of thinking for yourselves, must you constantly be following trends?
Being a bandwagoner who out of spite does the opposite of what guntubers think is a thousand times worse than someone who listens to guntubers at all
Like it or not, shilltubers drive gun sales since most “enthusiast” guns are way too expensive for most people to just buy on a whim.
Exactly. Back before YouTube, you had to read gun related magazines to find reviews of guns if you didn't have a way to try them out yourself. Most of the big guntubers are shills, but there are a lot of random guys on there posting videos about guns they own, and individual components and whatnot.
How are these things? A little pricey, although not as pricey as Sig's MCX stuff. The XCR with the 7" 300 BLK barrel looks kind of interesting, and is several hundred dollars cheaper than the Sig Rattler.
LMAO are you fricking moronic or something? you don't think any of those gun magazines got kickbacks like youtubers get? holy shit you boomers are seething right now
No, that's exactly what I'm saying. Back in the day, gun magazines got paid to shill certain products, same as the big guntubers do now. However, there are plenty of regular guys also on YouTube who aren't shills and will tell you what their experience with a gun has been without corporate money coloring their opinions. So, it's much easier to find independent opinions on things than it was back when your only option was to read whatever bullshit all the gun and "tactical" magazines had in their pages.
I do miss flipping through stuff like Soldier of Fortune and whatnot back in high school, though.
>How are these things? A little pricey, although not as pricey as Sig's MCX stuff. The XCR with the 7" 300 BLK barrel looks kind of interesting, and is several hundred dollars cheaper than the Sig Rattler.
I've heard they're pretty good. GT also has a video on it.
>Back in my day they shilled guns in Magazines, not on some tech gizmo!
>form your own opinions
You moronic homosexual, that's what he's trying to do. He's using GT's video as a starting point and asking for more perspectives. Do you think at all before you sperg out
Ah yes let me go ahead and drop $1000 - $2000 on everything coming and going to see if it’s worth a crap or not.
anon don't waste your time. 90% of this board is headstrong morons that don't actually own anything, but have a lot of opinions.
I think I'm the only person in this thread that actually owns and shoots a JAKL regularly.
I know but I take the bait sometimes.
>better than a SCAR
What’s his reasoning, presented maximally charitably?
He said something about the SCAR breaking itself after a while, while the JAKL is higher quality for a lower price. I don't remember what and I am not going to rewatch the video to inform you
>JAKL is higher quality for a lower price
You can't assess the quality of difference with the precision required to plausibly claim a PSA product is superior to an FN product after shooting a single specimen, particularly if it was hand delivered to you by the company. That's like how the Ferraris auto mags get to drive are tuned to such a degree they can't pass emissions standards, except it's a Kia.
>I am not going to rewatch the video to inform you
No need, I wouldn't wish that upon you, I don't have the stomach for a single watch.
The JAKL probably does have the potential to be better than the scar. Americans have always been fantastic designers and manufacturers, and Europe’s anti gun stances have hurt their industry a lot while America’s has grown 100 fold in the last 20 years. The Scar was designed 20 years ago. The JAKL was designed during the age of CAD and a far more mature digital age. Also the scar had to be subjected stupid military requests the same as the Sig rifle with its 6,000,000 charging handles and forward assists and whatnot. I’m sure in the near future the JAKL will out perform the scar in most fields, or at least give you 90% of the gun for 25% the price. But saying it now seems disingenuous.
dawg that's all really dumb, jeez
PSA gave him a JAKL for free and the people who cut his checks told him to sell it to the morons who do whatever he says
>PSA gave him a JAKL for free
nice try shill but both JAKLs are owned by Micah, and he bought them himself because he has zero cred.
He literally says PSA provided the JAKL and ammo for review at the beginning of the video dipshit
> point out that garandthumb literally gets paid to shill guns and gear to consumers as his literal job
>get called a shill
Do you know what that word means, moron? What exactly am I supposedly shilling here lol. Who is it that you think I work for exactly?
dudes dumb and GT is his only father figure.
don't bother giving him the (you)'s
This, unfortunately.
>tribe
That explains a lot
GT and other Leviathan Guntubers have also done reviews on high-end AR's, do you also hold the same opinions of those reviews?
If one of these Guntubers told you your 3000 dollar AR was good, would you feel vindicated or would you throw your rifle out?
This is the weirdest fricking argument I've ever heard, I don't even know how to respond to such sophist homosexualry
cool story JIDF now go frick yourself. Christ is the King of israelites and you better start recognizing that. Israel belongs to the Christians.
Uhh based?
Based samegay schizo
I'm glad you were able to recognize me but my statements are not contradictory.
>guntuber good if he vindicates my purchase
>guntuber bad if he says thing i dont like is good
yeah we get it, you're a paid shill. now go frick yourself Moshe
>GT and other Leviathan Guntubers have also done reviews on high-end AR's, do you also hold the same opinions of those reviews?
Yes, their opinions on high-quality rifles are also to be taken with a grain of salt and processed through the lens that these people have a financial incentive to separate me from my money. AT BEST it represents a single datapoint and it's a suspect datapoint at that. Particularly in regards to high-end rifles, my opinion is more informed by things like real-world track record and military and LEO batch torture testing.
In fact Mike has reviewed several guns I personally own and like. My reaction every time is "well, price is going up on those lol glad I got mine before this shit came out."
For the record I am not saying that Mike is lying about liking the JAKL. I'm saying it's irrelevant at best as a datapoint because he makes money if you buy a JAKL, the video is a commercial, not a review.
If he isnt lying then there is zero difference, between a commercial and a review. If I watch a commercial for a corvette and it says 700hp, and then I watch an independant reviwer put one on a Dyno and say 700HP...... Well its the same fricking thing. Either they are lying or they arent. Either they are full of shit or they arent.
I wouldn’t know, I’ve only ever bought the premium PSA’s and have been happy with my purchases. I’m not a freak, moron, or shill so I take in as much info as I can about something I’m interested in and try to make the best decision
And for the record I think high end ARs are a meme, since everything in the American economy is based on upmarking everything 500%
I want one just so I can pretend its an ACR
What's that one kit you can bullpup the JAKL with?
a3 tactical triad.
Yeah, thanks. That's the best version of the JAKL.
Oh shit, I just saw a video about that thing yesterday. Seemed kind of cool. Would be nice to throw a 300 BLK JAKL upper on one, but for some dumbfrick reason PSA decided to use a 1:8 twist for their 300 BLK barrels. No idea why they didn't use 1:7...
i don't think it matters at all. GT was hitting steel at 600 with the JAKL 10.5 barrel, and it was suppressed too.
Yeah, but that was a 5.56 barrel. 300 BLK really needs at least a 1:7 twist to reliably stabilize heavy subsonic rounds.
Piggybacking this picture I saw of the a3 bullpup kit with the JAKL since you guys mentioned it
that just the 7 inch .300 upper. the 10.5 5.56 upper would fit a lot better
>more recoil
there's not more recoil.
there is literally a higher recoil impulse
I ordered the lower for the 8.5" jakl 300blk version
I'm trying to figure out what the purpose of this thing even is for uppers with internal buffer systems. I'm not sure why anyone would buy this for a JAKL upper? It doesn't shorten the overall length of a JAKL at all.
>i don't understand why people want options
okay you can stop pretending to be a fricking moron now. the reason why people would want a bullpup AR is the same reason why people would want a 28 inch SPR
>Listening to what some roiding mid life crisis cringe tattoo collecting leviathan tribe shill has to say about anything
ISHYGDDT
shut the frick up moron. if he was shilling your favorite rifle you wouldn't have shit to say
>Don't listen to shills
>"You're just saying that because he's not shilling the gun you like"
Jesus Christ anon I'm embarrassed for you
i understand that you're moronic, but i was pretty blatantly using the phrase "shilling" to mock you. I'm sorry that you don't have enough brain cells to process irony.
What you were doing was projecting, because you will be lead around by the nose by a shill if a gun is interesting to you. You're not that hard to read
How much does he pay you?
Why couldn't he get pancreatic cancer instead of the one guntuber who isn't a homosexual shill?
>Is this the best rifle for someone that hates DI and buffer tubes?
Yeah. The JAKL is pretty dope. The 8-position gas system on the 14.5" is really good. Position 8 is wide open and 1 is closed. 7-6 unsuppressed and 6-5 suppressed. I disagree with GT on buying ARs at the same price point over JAKLs. You can still trick out a lower and all AR adjustable gas blocks suck balls anyway.
this plus you get a monolithic upper and side charging
>Coincidentally, I bought one last month. Upper and lower.
>Basically an AK hiding inside an AR-15
>Best aspects of both, worst aspects of neither
>GT releases video validating my purchase
>happi vibes
I kind of agree with him. It's probably going to become a standard firearm that you'll see all over the country if PSA can keep the price down as their order volume becomes unreasonably gigantic.
They need to release specs on the barrel and gas block. If they do that, it'll have a good shot at becoming one of the standard firearms in the US over hte next decade like the AK, the AR-15, the SCAR, or the GLOCK.
SIR! TURN THE HDR DOWN AND UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THE PSA NEWSLETTER
Yeah, I’m disappointed they don’t offer one with their in house or FN chrome barrels.
luv me JAKL
>What are we thinking about the JAKL?
Watch admin's video on it
>Is this the best rifle for someone that hates DI and buffer tubes?
No, brn-180
brn180 requires a proprietary lowe, JAKL uses mil-spec lower with a cheap conversion part.
this fact alone makes the JAKL superior. anyone with an AR15 can own a JAKL, meanwhile you have to buy a new lower to own a BRN
>brn180 requires a proprietary lowe
No it doesnt lol
your entire argument is moot because the brn180 is a short stroke piston and the JAKL is long stroke; not even remotely comparable.
I'm the brn guy, not him.
Doesn't matter
yes people usually cope with not having things by saying they don't matter.
homeless people don't think having a roof matters. black people don't think having a job matters.
It doesn't matter, each has its drawbacks and positives, get one and stop malding at your computer about the best thing, you wont find the best thing.
oh wow very cool take, now go huff your own farts dipshit
why don't you enlighten me why more recoil in long stroke is better?
The question was about non-DI guns, dipshit. Which they both are.
No it doesn't, homosexual
if you want the folding stock, yes it does. unless you want to drop another 300 on a LAW folding system.
BRN180 lowers already come folding-capable.
The same folding system you'd need for a JAKL you mean?
lmao okay now try to use a BRN lower on a JAKL upper and tell me how it goes.
I bet it would work fine since both are designed to drop into any lower lol
except BRN is short stroke and JAKL is long stroke and neither design is capable with the other.
but surely you'd know this if you weren't a fricking moron
>capable
compatible.
Both are designed to work in non-proprietary lowers and only interface with the lower for the FCG, mag, mag release, and bolt release.
Both pistons systems are contained in the upper. What you're REEing about is completely irrelevant
I haven't run into someone arguing this vehemently about something they know literally nothing about in a while man this is legitimately impressive
you're a moron that doesn't even understand basic firearms design.
short stroke and long stroke are not compatible. stop replying to me.
because "its all the same, bro" thats what your friends are saying
see
I feel like you just have a humiliation kink at this point lmao
okay now shoot it like that. you can put a .300 BLK mag into a 5.56 upper too but you'll just have a nice day
Again you can google this, anon, but both of those posts the owners of the rifles say it works.
Can you explain why both of these uppers work 100% by design with a DI lower but you think that they both require proprietary lowers? Like please explain how you think that works.
no i don't think i'm going to.
I accept your concession
okay
Lmao he looked it up and realized he was wrong
Personally anon, I'd just quietly leave the thread if I were you.
What rocks about this is a quick google shows multiple leddit posts of people doing the exact thing this dipshit is screaming is impossible lol
so post 'em.
you have the links and images, lets see it. or would that be wasting your precious time you value so much?
The gas piston type has almost no bearing on how the action interfaces with the lower.
There have been hundreds of long stroke and short stroke AR15 conversions sold over the years, and so long as they're all made to match the milspec lower, it is immaterial how the barrel is tapped and how the piston moves.
The JAKL isn't new in any mechanical sense.
It is new in that it is very affordable.
>both are designed to drop into any lower
AFAIK the JAKL requires a proprietary bolt release to function
Why the frick would I do that?
This guy's a fricking machine lmao
I'm now convinced you're either a dumbass with buyer's remorse or a PSA employee lol
I'm really hoping someone here has a picture of the JAKL with the kodiak brown Aero M4E1 lower. I can't decide which color combo looks the best, whether kodiak brown with a FDE upper or smoke upper.
Also can't decide whether the 10.5 or 13.7 upper is better, wish they had a 12.5 but it looks like the 10.5 only has 4 gas settings while the 13.7 has 8 settings. Is 10.5 also too short and a meme? -not my picture
Fuddblaster review wen?
He states it's hard to recommend for serious use, and that it's got some concerning wear points already. The reason he said he'd take it over an ACR is that it still has support, which in no way makes it better.
I feel like threads like this are either PSA shills trying to drum up hype for their low quality shitsticks, or anti-guntuber gays trying to get the masses riled up about MUH LEVIATHAN.
Either way, I despise PSA owners. They don't deserve rights.
Of course, as we all know an AR15 isn’t worth using unless it costs double what an M1 garand cost adjusted for inflation lmfao
He said the only reason he didn't recommend it is because its still a new design; but everything about it gives him hope.
he literally said that nothing about the design gave him pause; but i get that you're a shill and need to keep pushing AR15's
He specifically mentioned being concerned with wear points. You cheap fricks won't even shell out for a $1000 AR, much less a $1400 AR, which is what a Garand would cost with inflation.
It's not about ARs, its about PSA producing pure garbage. DI is a shit operating system, which is why Stoner never used it on any of his other designs.
Poor people like guns, but refuse to save for *good* guns, so they settle for PSA garbage. It's completely possible to have a nice little collection of actually well made firearms if you're not living on minimum wage. If you are, work to get a better job first and stop being poor.
>DI is a shit operating system, which is why Stoner never used it on any of his other designs.
Both parts of that statement are objectively false. Stoner created the AR-18 operating system because Colt owned the patent for his preferred operating system.
When the patent expired, he worked on the SR-25 and SR-15 with KAC which were just refinements of off the original with more modern manufacturing capability
I think honestly PSA owners = PSA shills. I've seen men's minds warped by the sales, all intellectual firepower is redirected from judgement to rationalization. Maybe getting something just as good for half the price is the new American dream.
people that drop 3k on a gucci rifle think they're going to be fighting off Chicoms and Russians in the streets of their home town, PSA owners just like guns.
PSA owners like guns in proportion to their quantity, not their quality.
It's not that PSA isn't good enough because it's cheap, it's that PSA is cheap because it isn't good. That you think you're getting one over on the global market is the funny part. Class bumpkin stuff.
People say this all the time but I’ve never seen proof of it. Tell me how a PSA lower with one of their premium uppers with the FN barrel chrome barrels, magpul furniture, and a BCM bolt carrier isn’t going to be the modern equivalent of an M1 carbine and bat appropriately. I don’t believe it one bit. I’ve seen videos of palmetto upper receivers, military standard M4s, and the holy grail Daniel Defense upper receivers crap the bed and explode. What is there fault point in that whole system, assuming you put test rounds through it?
People who actually shoot high round counts, eg high level instructors, have an incentive to shoot the cheapest guns which will do the job. Find me one who uses this or an equivalent setup. Ben Stoeger, Matt Pranka, and of the other actually legit guys who shoot demos for their classes use at least Aero and more commonly BCM. Why do you think no SWAT teams use PSA guns? Why are they unable to get contracts in general? Why do you think every other manufacturer is inflating their prices and giving PSA a competitive advantage? This is all rhetorical, please don't continue to post.
So names/brands don’t matter whatsoever? The $200 Geissele is simply leagues better and made out of super space age aluminum compared to the half cost Larue, which is a piece of shit of course. And when Daniel defense got caught selling D&H mags for $40 with the floor plate swapped out with a SUPER VIAGRA TURBO KILLER floorplates, the floor plates were definitely enhancing the magazine and weren’t BS branding
Didn’t the guy who owns battlefield Vegas post on Arfcom that basic b***h PSA uppers would last around 3k rounds in full auto? Most estimations I’ve heard on PSA uppers is under light use they last about 11k before the barrels become smooth bore, under moderate usage around 8k, and I’m pretty sure that arfcom post said around 2.5k full auto. Main point of failure is usually the barrel, I’ve not ever seen a high amount of gas tube failures or anything crazy out of PSAs. So replace the main point of failure with a higher end part. I simply don’t believe that their premium uppers aren’t food for 20k rounds or more. If you’re really paranoid, buy a gucci bolt carrier. I do not believe that most of those uppers wouldn’t last in the ballpark of a DD or Knights upper. Is it to the same level? No. But 75% - 90% of the gun for 1/3 the cost is an acceptable deal to me. I don’t trust the pricing of any company with defense contracts because they mark up the price absurdly because military brands have more clout. If you took the exact rear retaining pin and sold it on PSA’s site, BCM, Knights, or DD you would get four insanely different prices. Like everything else in the American economy, brands with more clout markup the same product to extract more cash when at the end of the day it’s all the same drop shipped Chinese stuff.
>Most estimations I’ve heard
so what you are saying is that you didn't observe it, the persons you are referencing haven't observed it, but that they simply estimate something.
You are a homosexual
you don't know anything about guns.
Right, a gun will not function and will spontaneously combust if it isn’t from Daniel defense. I’ll go toss them some of my goy shekels right away. I refuse to use utter shit D&H magazines. I only use Daniel Defense magazines instead. So true king
>Hearsay that PSA is crap
YAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSS
>Hearsay that PSA isn't bad for the money and functions
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO HECKING NOOOOOOOOOO
You people are ridiculous
Why are you trying to make a point with this whole shtick of >modern m1
Labor costs and quality standards change. A bog standard BCM isn't an expensive rifle, and is made to better standards than even the "nicest" PSA models. A nice barrel doesn't mean shit when it's installed by illiterate apes who don't know how to use a torque wrench, or what castle nut staking is. PSA is cheap because it's trash.
>shtick
shalom 🙂 we israelites know what rifles are actually good, dont we? we make the best ones.
Right so every time my PSA sends rounds down range, and all the guys I know who send theirs down range just fine and have for thousands of rounds, we’re just imagining things. You gun snobs are the worst. And if you can’t understand the point I’m making about modern weapon for its time vs modern weapon today you’re too moronic to bother arguing with.
>thousands of rounds
>rifle will invariably have an immaculate brass deflector
You poor fricks are the worst. Imagine purposefully buying a shit gun because you're incapable of just saving up a little longer for something that's assembled to TDP specs, and then imagine lying about how good it works for internet points in a desperate attempt to cope for the knowledge that you made a bad choice. I hope you get a bolt override malfunction when you actually need it to work, and as you bleed out you just think "If only I hadn't been a massive israelite and spent just a little more".
> immaculate brass deflector
why do you rabbis keep using this phrase as if it has any meaning whatsoever?
i know you rats love to live in squalor, but most people clean the objects they respect. the only reason you'd have a dirty deflector is if you never cleaned it, and the only reason you'd never clean it is because you'd chasing clout from people like you; which are worthless rats
If you shoot a lot (thousands of rounds) then the brass deflectors finish is going to have significant wear on it even if you clean your rifle. Same with bolt case and hammer. You can tell if a guns had a lot of rounds through it by paying attention to wear marks... duh.
>these sentiments are brought to you by the same corporations that have bombed 30,000 women and children as revenge
>Opponent becomes completely incoherent
Absolutely malding
blessed
Muzzie lives don't matter
Uh, not that guy but you dont just clean the brass deflector, casings hit it with enough force to mess with the finish and wear it sometimes wearing all the ay through, also the brass tends to leave smears that are pretty hard to get off
Immaculate brass deflector on many patterns of rifles is legitimately a sign that they haven't been shot much
>he thinks normal people clean their brass deflector
Tell me, seething poorgay, how do you clean worn down anodization? Or chipped paint or cerakote?
>stole
I prefer "finessed" as the blacks say. After short google search, it's apparently a yiddish term derived from German. So we can just take it back.
This is moronic and sad, I'm sorry for arguing with the morons behind this thread, this was bad for me and only made them more like themselves.
>purposefully buying a shit gun because you're incapable of just saving up a little longer for something that's assembled to TDP specs
PSA is the marshmallow test of the gun world
That's a great way to put it. I'm stealing that comparison.
>i love the global market
thanks for outting yourself, Moses
I will shill for PSA and will be proud of it. The idea that the grease gun or pps43 or MP40 wasn’t good enough because it was cheap is moronic. Or that an AR15 with a million improvements in manufacturing and cost cutting measures should cost more than an M1 garand is absurd. If an M1 took roughly
$1500 or so to manufacture in 1944 or an M1 Carbine took $1000 then your AR should reasonable land around $750 - $1200 before optic.
if you aint first you're last, thats what NASCAR told me
>t it's got some concerning wear points already
Pretty sure he was referring to the Scar when he was saying that and that was the reason why he would recommend the jackl over the scar.
I've been thinking about getting one, but my only qualm/issue is if the thing actually needs the gay ass little bumper that goes into your buffer tube thread.
I want to keep the standard buffer tube, and can easily make a little plate of some kind to fill the gap between the upper and the top of the lower.
But if not using the little bumper might actually frick up the system I'll just not bother as it costs almost the same amount of money to convert your own lower into a jakl complaint jakl.
>What are we thinking about the JAKL?
needs a carry handle and barrel mounted fsb
I'm thinking this guys a homosexual for making it more popular so it's gonna be out of stock more often and likely won't be available when it comes my turn to buy one. Just like those popular youtubers that grab a 20 year old shitbox nobody cares about, makes a video about it's heckin' awesomerino quirks and suddenly overnight that shitbox is a commodity and overpriced. I fricking hate youtube.
SCARs are gay, Jackals are gay, PSA is gay, ACRs are gay.
>GT says its outright better than a SCAR or ACR
Not hard, the Robinson XCR-L is the benchmark for piston guns.
reee the lower build kit went in stock and oos in less than an hour and I blame this vid
Looks nicer than most AR-15 clones on the market so that's a plus.
It's eternally out of stock now, PSA going back to the meeting rooms to talk about raising the price to match demand. Thanks Youtubers.
that's what they get paid for.
Waiting for .308 version
let the fricking thread die, you dumb fricking Black person
nobody gives a shit if you're ass blasted for spending 3000+ on a rifle vs 700, just fricking shut the hell up, god damn
at the very minimum, if you're gonna bump a thread before it dies VIA A MASS REPLY, >POST FRICKING GUNS
go ahead, post fricking guns homosexual, WITH A >TIMESTAMP
OH WAIT, >YOU CAN'T
YOU DON'T HAVE A SET UP, YOU'RE JUST A FRICKING NOGUNS LOSER
but nooooo, you're gonna say some shit about "um actually, i have many guns (but i won't post them), and you're a psa user, and [wiener sucking sounds ghgbghgssrrrr]"
nobody fricking cares
assuming you even have guns (which you don't), poorgays are literally more busy having a job while your dumbass is scraping by spending your neetbux on shit no one has ever heard of nor will ever give a single frick about
have a nice day, immediately
your AR is bad
no
guns
i don't see a timestamp or a GUN
i just see a single bolt
you're still choking wiener like a barstonian prostitute, b***h boi
>i don't see a timestamp or a GUN
I don't see yours either
>I just see a single bolt
what gun does it go to
no
guns
it's ok, I'd be mad if I were you too
>Doesn't post a gun
You can't call someone noguns, then post a picture that isn't of one of your guns.
i've already posted a gun in the thread, a pic of one i took of today, in fact
he hasn't posted a single one, i'll let him go first
>I-I already posted it!
No you didn't.
poor
still no guns lmao
you say poor, yet you can prove you're anything but
you've posted not a single image, not even a reactionimage
you're a third world Black person paid to post here, just shut the frick up already
i'm done with your gay ass, you're nothing & always will be
i'm going to bed, i've had my absinthe & nicotine, goodnight, b***h
>literally posted a bolt that's worth more than your entire rifle
lol, lmao
i guess it turns out i lied about the goodbye, thanks for the quick reply though
you've posted a bolt, so fricking what?
you still haven't posted a GUN
the fact i ask for a gun, yet you show a bolt says enough, and i'm sure its not even your image anyways
if this is your form of trolling, trolling is dead
dafuq that that even mean?
speak english, Black person
yup
anyway
i'd like to argue & bullshit more for no reason, but i'm tired
again, goodnight, it was fun
heres a drawling of a guy rootin tootin shootin
>ree you didn't do what I asked!
yeah I know
Cool airsoft bro.
>you have to be 18 to post here
I guess every gun in this thread is airsoft.
Post a pic of the outside of your passport.
+Social Security Card.
>The outside of your passport contains identifying information
True in your case, I guess lol
And if you're american, you probably don't own a passport either way, even if you're military.
>Confirmed foreigner
Damn, a lot of the odd phrasing and incoherent posts in this thread are beginning to make sense.
>Confirmed foreigner
Yes, I am american, a foreigner to your country.
Please post passport sirs, do the rightful!!!
I guess you could say hes pretty
>SCARRED
FRICK THAT WAS MEANT FOR
GOD DAMN IT ):
and i clicked on the wrong god damn this again
it was meant for
:3
The reader can scroll up to the very moment you learned that meme, not 24 hours ago.
Please sir, you need to post your passport.
You own a passport don't you? Don't you?!
Why is a Britbong shilling for PSA? Did you just pick a side based on what you saw in the guntuber extended universe?
NTA, but...
>i already posted a pic of my gun
Fricking no guns homosexual kys. Not a single gun pic itt has a timestamp, yet you expect someone else to appease your hypocritical brown ass.
lol
lmao even
Funny to you to dogpile, even though theres nothing wrong thats been said.
Hello Americans,
I am not of your nation and so I hear online of this "Palmetto State Armory". I look on map but I see no Palmetto State. Why this is? Where is Palmetto State?
Palmetto State is a different name for South Carolina
Palmetto State is nickname for South Carolina Oblast /k/omrade.
Than/k/ you friends, I wish a thousand years friendship between America and Rychovyystan
>leaves wife and kids
>jacked up on the juice because he's a manlet
Frick off homosexual. Buy an ad after you're done circle jerking with the mexicant, demo douche, anal invasive results, krispy kreme swallower, and backwoods ballistics.
That’s a good idea, honestly threads like
this should be pruned, there’s already supposed to be a poverty general.
That video was more of a scar diss than a jakl review. what did the scar do to this man?
Like seriously rip scar bros its over.
I don’t think FN sends free shit to Leviathan group.
>That video was more of a scar diss than a jakl review. what did the scar do to this man?
>I don’t think FN sends free shit to Leviathan group.
This
>What are we thinking about the JAKL? GT says its outright better than a SCAR or ACR, but not better than a quality AR15 at the same pricepoint.
GT is a Leviathan Marketing shill who was paid money to say the JAKL is good so PSA (who pays for marketing through LEVIATHAN) can sell more ~~*product*~~. Wait until you see all the other Leviathan Black folk get their hands on it and shill the same talking points while only putting a few hundred rounds through it (the free ammo they are given to market the product).
Yes, he really sold loads of them saying its not combat ready, and you can get any AR15 for the same price as a better weapon. WOW the finest sales pitch known to man. Nobody Buying a SCAR is looking at a JAKL. people who are buying 1k AR15's yes, and he said the AR is better in every way. Media literacy is fricking dead, and you morons killed it.
I like it, but until they drop an F/A BCG so I can convert it at my convenience, it isn’t worth it.