If you are sober and competent, your chances of not dying at all drastically go up. You are also responsible for the lives of your comrades, who are responsible for your life as well. You can just send a prayer instead of impairing and endangering yourself with drugs.
I can smash a 12 pack and remain mostly functional. You sir, must be a saint, because I have to suppress my demons somehow, and in a combat scenario drunk me would be far more useful than sober "just kill me now" me.
I did. I stopped drinking anything from anheiser-bush.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>HOW DARE HUMAN BEINGS BE TREATED WITH RESPECT AND DIGNITY
Not only do you deserve your suffering, you literally bring it on yourself.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>troons >human beings
lol, lmao. kys homosexual.
1 year ago
Anonymous
i miss old /k/
1 year ago
Anonymous
misogynistic wanker
1 year ago
Anonymous
It's not misogyny if it's not a woman
1 year ago
Anonymous
leftist here,
A-B is one of the biggest donors to conservative campaigns in the country, but I guess virtue signalling your dislike of other human beings is more important to you
thank you for your support
1 year ago
Anonymous
>letting companies know that virtue signaling is a form of oppression and tyranny, so you attack their income to show your displeasure.
yeah, I would say protecting my human rights is a very important thing and your mental disorder isn't. so why not take your meth micro-dose like a snickers and maybe you will feel better.
>drunk me would be far more useful than sober "just kill me now" me.
I'm very sorry you feel that way. It's not healthy to be functional only when your brain is shut off.
You should find people to talk to about life!
Forget the context, but I always enjoyed this ww1 quote >It is shocking how much gin the british army carries into battle.
the former may be true since ww1 involved the pushing of cheap wine on french troops of diverse drinking culture regions ie. cider drinkers from normandie, spirits and/or beer drinkers from other regions. the latter sounds like bullshit because ww1 british rations were entirely rum. german was schnapps, which also increased the popularity of schnapps. not sure on the quality and consistency of either though.
>shrooms
Sure, bullets flying while you anally keep trying to organize your gear in the shape of a mandala and write down pseudo philosophical half witted insights into spirituality on your notebook
amphetamines
<amphetamines
Not a bad choice
https://i.imgur.com/80m9Unp.jpg
The people saying amphetamines have no experience taking uppers or any idea what they’re talking about lol. >muh nazis
>Diazepam
Right, and be numb about everything, disconnecting from the fight or flight reaction, and constantly falling asleep
True. Captagon is effectively a smoother, more powerful version of the WW2 pervitins.
>Captagon is effectively a smoother, more powerful version of the WW2 pervitins.
Hadn’t heard of it. Will do some research. Pervitin is indeed great combat drug
It would depend a lot on the type of fighting you would be doing, but ideally you would want to maintain focus while sublimating aggression.
Low alcohol does it, but at normal/ high doses makes you sluggish, too reckless and prone to pass out. Amphetamines / meth do keep you active with a dose of aggression, however when used in higher dose/ extended time it can lead to psychosis and that’s the last thing you want in your platoon. You could counterbalance it with benzos but then the crash would be immense and you would an unusable soldier for 24 hours.
benzos are fricking gay and should only be used temporarily to get over alcoholism without dying of seizures. They seriously frick up your head and are incredibly addictive with withdrawals again leaving you at risk of life ending seizures
They help with nerve damage and my fricking muscle spasms, been taking them as needed for 3 years haven't had an issue. Gabapentin on the other hand is absolutely terrible. I could see their use in combat as they increase pain tolerance like alcohol but without the intoxicating effect.
>muscle spasms
so yes like I said, good for seizures. You might not be on a very high dose but people who take them for psych problems tend to keep increasing doses as their tolerance increases to the point where the physical withdrawals can kill them from brain seizures if they cut cold turkey, plus make the mental issue theyre used to suppress a million times worse due to not only having the feelings all rush back in at once plus the mental stress of withdrawals
t. worked in a pharmacy for like a decade
>gabapentin
I was giving that to my cats after they got fixed. 75mg for my skittish female, didn't seem to do shit. How much did you have to take to feel anything? And what were the effects like?
>The UN has warned of a rise in trafficking of the synthetic opioid tramadol across West Africa, as one official revealed it is being found in the pockets of suicide bombers.
Yes, tramadol is completely a combat drug, maybe synthetic adrenaline or some kind of Adderall could work.
If you want to go full Huxley you can take shrooms for logistics planning.
Tramadol is the gayest fricking drug ever. Barely does anything for pain, no euphoric effects, and it makes you drowsy. Then again maybe Black folk process it differently than humans.
Tramadol sucks for you because the effects are highly dependent on an enzyme that cleaves off a methyl group at the O position. Different people have different genes and so different amounts of this enzyme that converts Tramadol to O-DSMT, the latter of which exhibits about 5x the same analgesic activity. I'm in the same boat--took 3.6 grams of tramadol and felt very little one time, no nod or euphoria (stupid idea, since that much approaches overdose territory, had a crazy bad headache for 16 hours when i woke up the next day). Some people have high amounts of this enzyme and can get a nice opioid high off trams.
Codeine's activity is somewhat analogous because just as Tramadol is O-DSMT with a methyl installed on the oxygen, codeine is morphine with a methyl installed on the oxygen. I think it may be inverted, though, because I think I read somewhere that codeine as a molecule on its own has a greater analgesic activity than morphine, except for most people it is metabolized as a prodrug to morphine. Not sure, though.
I got tramadol 50mg and oxy for a broken arm. Guess I'm one of the people that it works for. I took it more than the oxy because I could take it and knock the pain out without being too fricked up to drive and think. high wise, vicodin was way better.
The nazi fought the bongs in the North Africa, with both sides burning around the desert, awake for days on end powered by methamphetamine and dexadrine, aka dextroamphetamine, (nazis on the former, bongs on the latter). The bongs won so I'd say dexadrine is better.
iirc US pilots used to be prescribed dexadrine also, up until quite recently - they're probably all on modafinil now tho
>The bongs won so I'd say dexadrine is better
Have you considered the possibility that other factors contributed to the bong victory? >they're probably all on modafinil now tho
Indeed
Bongs won in North Africa because of a change in strategy. I don't think it's fair to say it was because which they used though I'm sure it had its advantages.
meth use wasn't entirely ironed out for the nazis. at the time they thought it was a miracle drug because it allowed them to stay awake for days on end with no repercussions. if they would have used it to increase effectiveness during wakeful hours and still got restorative sleep they would have been much more effective as a whole rather than fighting sleep deprived and hopped up on drugs. stimulants can only do so much for you after a week of slee deprivation before it becomes a net negative.
I find a beer does more to improve my accuracy than coffee so I'm willing to say depressants are more useful than stimulants on an individual level since it's better to have a clear and calm head than one that's already buzzing before the lead starts flying. The opposite is true for tankers and pilots since the weapons are being handled by the machine so twitchy hands are okay if it lets you react faster to information
I'd like to try some drugs. I'd like to try ayahuasca and really pure cocaine once. I've never done drugs of any kind. Well, I smoked a cigarette but it was nasty and I did go to a Bob Dylan concert years back. I didn't smoke any pot but it was thick in the air and remember the colors did get pretty vibrant and I was super hungry after the concert. Anyway, I don't think pure cocaine is that bad or at least it doesn't seem like it, don't know.
I'd like to do that too, make a proper catalog of drugs and what their effects are and how it felt to experience them. Especially psychedelics, I wanna know if and acid trip looks different to a DMT one and if so how do they differ
There are websites with hundreds or thousands of user submitted reports for all basically all psychadelics
Lsd lasts long like 8 hours and its more similar to shrooms
DMT is similar to tryptamines, it lasts 30 minutes for the peak and its really intense, you get more crazy stuff like time dilation and shit
All drug experiences are subjective, but many people (including me) find that tryptamines have lighter and more mellow colors compared to the deep colors of lysergamides, distortions on tryptamines tend to be more wavey and lysergamides tend to be more melty. I find tryptamines to be a lighter and happier experience, whereas lysergamides tend to be introspective and heavy. All psychedelic drug experiences are intense, though.
At high doses as is typical with vaporized DMT, the nature of the hallucinations don't even compare to typical psychedelic experience. Completely different world, and though all psychedelic experiences are impossible to describe to some extent, high/'heroic' doses are basically immune to being accurately characterized in words.
Testosterone Enanthate for a test base
Primobolan Enanthate for a bit more aggression without messing with higher cognitive function as well as solid muscle
Nandrolone Decanoate for more muscle with less side effects compared to testosterone
Adderall for increased focus
Nicotine same as above
Modafanil to keep you alert on long nights
Diazepam to keep you cool when nervous
EPO for better endurance
Deca is surprisingly good for your joints, I like to think of it as injury prevention and relief with some anabolism as a bonus
Though Anavar might be even better
Never been in combat but for plinking and hunting/wandering around in the woods shooting stuff
Inderal and adderall
Inderal like kills the physiological stress responses or something so you don’t even blink while firing. Gives very steady hands too.
and adderall is amphetamines which are neat.
Alternatively microdosing lsd. Keeps you awake and alert and your senses heightened and causes a 12-hour buzz without being “trippy.” Also like removes anxiety and doubt in weird ways that hard to explain but it improves accuracy and precision by a lot. Takes you out of your head and makes it a lot easier to just do what you gotta do to the best of your abilities and no ego.
Alternatively modalert, which is a wakefulness super drug that can basically let you stay up for days without feeling tired and without feeling methy.
The US shot up their pilots with amphetamines during the gulf War and them gave them downers to sleep when they got back. I'd say amphetamines in low doses but im talking about pure lab made shit not the shake and bake white trash shit or Mexican cartel bullshit. I've never done amphetamines so I'm just going by pilots I know that told me this happened.
The only combat I've ever been in was low-intensity that last over 4 hours. The number one issue I suffered and observed in others was anxious restlessness and exhaustion after adrenaline dump. A small dose of 4-FA would improve morale, keep everyone alert and eliminate anxiety.
world governments after WW2 (including the USA, the only one that matters) decided that amphetamines like this guy is suggesting
are fun and a good number 2, but caffeine is the best at enhancing performance without a performance degrading crash afterwards, for everyone except for pilots that have to stay awake post sortie or die anyway.
Hamilton Morris interviewed a clandestine MDA chemist who was in Vietnam, he smoked a bunch of pot but never dropped acid in country, but he apparently saw guys that would drop acid and be over the moon laughing during rocket attacks at night. The whole podcast is really interesting, it's on youtube.
Captagon is widely used in conflicts all over North Africa and the Middle East. And seems to be pretty effective. With obvious long term downsides. But if you don't care about them it's a boon.
since so many people mention using alcohol in war I wonder if the glowies ever considered novel NDMA antagonists for use in combat instead of just anaesthesia in the field
no, he meant NMDA antagonists most likely. NMDA antagonists are the class of drugs that comprise typical dissociatives: ketamine, DXM, PCP+related analogs, nitrous, ether, so on and so forth
The drink contains 160% daily value of vitamin C, 240% daily value of vitamin B6, and 830% daily value of vitamin B12 per 16 fl oz serving according to product packaging (purchase date: 2020-11-24). It also contains taurine, caffeine, inositol, and guarana seed extract. Sugar-free versions contain sucralose and acesulfame potassium.[8] Rip It drinks average about 160 mg of caffeine per 16 fl oz can, with the Le-MOAN’R flavor containing 204 mg of caffeine.[9] The 2 fl oz shot versions contain about 100 mg of caffeine, with some flavors containing as much as 135 mg.[10]
probably the safest high caffeine content drink on the market. >vitamin C
does a lot of things for the body, mostly helps protect the kidneys. >Vitamin B6
does a lot of things for the body, mostly helps with brain growth (lets you think clearly), also kidneys >Vitamin B12
helps with kidney function (will need it because of caffeine), also effects brain health. >taurine
an enhancer for the caffeine, staves off a crash (your body already makes this.) >gaurana seed extract
a specific form of caffeine that is known to be slow acting. (helps to reduce crash effects.) >surcralose
an empty caloric, acts as a laxative, makes you want to piss more often. >acesulfame potassium
empty caloric, minor potassium, no effect other than trash for energy. (starves you+minor potassium) >inosital
basically just a modified form of sugar, does a lot for neuron health and is a sugar. (your body already makes this)
the answer is caffeine and ibuprofen, or the militarizes slightly more potent version.
there are reasons you don't use other drugs:
>alcohol
reduces reaction time, makes you too woozy and disoriented. personal choice for recreation post mission, still not preferred.
>marijuana
reduces reaction time, makes you too woozy and disoriented, not a good choice for recreation post mission because it has a ghosting effect. illegal. known to be a cheap pain killer drug with mild long term negative effects.
>cocaine
makes you to energized, causes brain damage and exhausts the body.
>crack
same as cocaine but more severe, also generally has a lot of other major side effects.
>morphine
is useful as a temporary pain killer, otherwise not a performance enhancer.
>MDMA (molly)
useful as a therapeutic drug, not for regular use. not a performance enhancer.
>hallucinogenics
has some use in therapy, not for regular use. not a performance enhancer.
>barbiturates
used as a pain killer, useful in medical surgeries, ad hock as a pain killer. not good for regular use. not a performance enhancer.
>asphyxiation (spray paint)
brain damage, or else kinky sex. other than the sex, not a performance enhancer.
>Sex/sexual acts
release of natural endorphins can increase moral without any short term side effects. generally an issue for other reasons nor related to drug usage.
i like how the only drugs you ignore are the ones perfectly suited to this role: amphetamine and methamphetamine.
cocaine is not good for this role because of its short duration of effects, high addictiveness in most forms, and expense (natural product grown only in certain parts of the world). it is also more cardiotoxic than neurotoxic.
amphetamine and methamphetamine, taken as oral formulations, provide a very good and highly effective state of stimulation that can be extended up to a couple day without extreme side effects (after 48hrs without a quality rest, you begin to risk stimulant psychosis). they are both long-lasting, not overly addictive through oral administration (YES, meth is very addictive when it is smoked/insufflated/IVed. oral methamphetamine on the other hand is an ADHD prescription).
neurotoxicity of meth/amph is only applicable at high doses taken for euphoric recreational dose repeatedly over a long period of time.
no the major reason is the crash. if you crash on a mission, then you can just totally loose contentiousness.
Mild latent reacting caffeine, such as those sold in energy drinks has the lowest crash to longest effects. add adrenaline and other natural-body-made-drugs on top of that and if you use Meth no matter the dosage it will cause an overload and double up on negative effects. caffeine does this too , but again because it is mild your body can handle it post mission.
I deliberately used that image because the problem with the idea of "give them drugs they have to complete the mission," is that once you start using hard drugs you basically admit you don't expect them to return or live a normal life ever again.
The idea is never to keep your guys loaded 24/7, it's to administer the drugs prior to a major operation / objective to ensure combat readiness.
Not to mention the crash issue is completely averted by sticking to low (therapeutic adhd-level) doses, which are still very effective in improving functionality, especially without sleep.
If a unit is in a combat environment or are in an operation for 48 hours straight without the chance for any adequate rest, they have bigger issues than a crash waiting when they run out.
You clearly have zero experience with stimulants. Amphetamine and methamphetamine do not cause a delirious or serious crash unless you abuse them to the extreme with euphoric recreational doses over a long period of time. Methamphetamine is also nearly indistinguishable from amphetamine at therapeutic doses, perhaps only a slightly greater euphoria.
>if you use Meth no matter the dosage it will cause an overload and double up on negative effects
This is just wrong.
>once you start using hard drugs you basically admit you don't expect them to return or live a normal life ever again
Functional dose oral methamphetamine is safe and orders of magnitude less addictive than smoked/insufflated/IVed methamphetamine.
There is a reason that speed-related stimulants are essentially the only serious psychoactive drug used in a military capacity for almost 100 years now.
>refers to a medical drug. as a performance enhancer.
medical drugs are medicinal, not a performance enhancer. they are used for a very specific situation involving a preexisting condition.
Methamphetamine taken at low dosages is not just the same as is taken in high dosages. You're moronic.
"The dose makes the poison" is literally the first law of medical toxicology. Methamphetamine neurotoxicity and cardiotoxicity is something exhibited in career tweakers who can sometimes smoke upwards of a gram of methamphetamine in a day.
Therapeutic doses of methamphetamine and amphetamine (5-15mg daily for meth, 5-40mg daily for amphetamine iirc) both can be maintained indefinitely without serious complications in the overwhelming majority of individuals. We have decades of research that corroborates these. These drugs are some of the most studied and well-understood in all of pharmacology. I suggest you do a little bit of reading.
And caffeine does NOT have anywhere near the same efficacy as amph/meth at any dosage. The fundamental pharmacodynamics of caffeine are different from dopaminergic stimulants, and their largest stimulant effects come from a physical rise in blood pressure and the suppression of physical tiredness via adenosine receptor blocking, with little cognitive stimulation.
that is at-least a more intellectual response than I was expecting.
still the issue is the poison. since meth is a direct connotative enhancer, it means that it will directly tear apart the mind, which causes the brain itself to have to repair. the brain actually repairs itself very slowly compared to a simple chemical imbalance in the body. Hence the long term use of meth is very bad for you. and the short term should as well. because we know for medicinal uses what that is, is that a mind has made some improper connections, or has non-existent connections and you are either supplementing hormones directly in the brain. even with limited usage you are non-the-less causing a persons brain to rip apart, and so requires some very intensive medical control.
the same goes for steroids. since the US military isn't trying to retain pure effort, they allow the limited use of steroids. problem with them is even with controlled usage it causes such a hormone imbalance that it can permanently damage the body and mind.
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>since meth is a direct connotative enhancer
What the frick is this even supposed to mean? You just made that up.
> it will directly tear apart the mind, which causes the brain itself to have to repair
Source? Methamphetamine neurotoxicity is caused by the drug inducing structural changes over long periods of time when therapeutic doses are significantly exceeded, and incumbent oxidative stress and dopaminergic neurotoxicity. At therapeutic doses these mechanisms of damage are negligible, even over the long-term.
>Hence the long term use of meth is very bad for you.
Sure! When you're a tweaker smoking hundreds of milligrams a day for months.
>the short term should as well
As long as you don't overdose, even tweaker doses (tolerance dependent ig) of methamphetamine aren't going to cause irreversible brain damage in the short term.
>because we know for medicinal uses what that is, is that a mind has made some improper connections, or has non-existent connections and you are either supplementing hormones directly in the brain. even with limited usage you are non-the-less causing a persons brain to rip apart, and so requires some very intensive medical control.
This is word salad gibberish. Are you sure you aren't tweaking right now? Methamphetamine does not "cause a person's brain to rip apart".
>the same goes for steroids.
Steroids, like methamphetamine, are possible to use safely. Controlled usage will not "permanently damage the body and mind", unless the person controlling the usage is an idiot.
Start coughing up sources or stop coughing up bullshit.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>sources
the same ones you are using. except I actually understand what they are saying.
you don't need sources when what you are talking about is common knowledge in fact. describing an observation doesn't require sourcing. pontificating on a theory does.
fact: >meth has been observed to have neurotoxin and cardio-toxicity effects >meth operates as a nuero-inflamatory drug.
here is a recent report on meth addiction
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7457172/
1 year ago
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>meth has been observed to have neurotoxin and cardio-toxicity effects >meth operates as a neuro-inflamatory drug.
No shit moron. You want to know another fact? These neurotoxic and cardiotoxic effects are dose- and time-dependent, as is every effect of every drug in existence.
Coadministration of alcohol and acetaminophen is observed to damage the liver. By your logic, everybody on planet earth who has ever taken a tylenol for a hangover should have cirrhosis. But they don't. You know why? Because it's dose and time dependent. Getting blackout drunk and taking a tylenol the next morning is not going to kill you. Being a chronic alcoholic who regularly takes tylenol everyday will kill you. Rule #1 of toxicology: the dose makes the poison.
Literally the second sentence of the abstract you linked: >The CONTINUOUS USE of meth eventually leads to drug addiction and causes serious health complications, including attention deficit, memory loss and cognitive decline
Notice the phrase CONTINUOUS USE. It repeats the same sentiment in the conclusion, citing CHRONIC USE.
YES, methamphetamine is directly neurotoxic. YES, methamphetamine is directly cardiotoxic. YES, methamphetamine use can result in serious adverse effects. YES, methamphetamine will induce oxidative stress and dopaminergic neurotoxicity.
The point is that use of methamphetamine at THERAPEUTIC DOSES (5-25mg) over the period of a few months is not going to induce permanent adverse effects. You're doing the equivalent of pointing to a heroin junkie shooting up and saying "See! See! Morphine should NEVER be used in hospitals, just look what it leads to!"
1 year ago
Anonymous
>end of story is don't use it as a performance enhancer.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Methamphetamine's performance enhancing effects OCCUR AT THERAPEUTIC DOSES.
The nazis did not prescribe meth pipes. A single dose of pervitin was THREE MILLIGRAMS, which is much less than what is even given to ADHD patients who are prescribed desoxyn.
When tweakers abuse methamphetamine, they are smoking tens of milligrams at once, usually around 40-50mg, and serious tweakers can do this multiple times a day regularly for months.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>therapeutic dose.
sound like a "not performance enhancement" drug kind of thing. sounds like a limited one time thing for a specific reason.
>I mean if we can use the Nazis as a standard of ethics...
1 year ago
Anonymous
Therapeutic dose is medical speak for acceptance dosage range for a prescription you fricking imbecile.
The nazis issued 3mg pills of meth for combat operations. We give up to 25mg pills of daily meth to kids with ADHD in the USA today.
These are the facts. If you're too stupid to make a rational conclusion about the safety and efficacy of methamphetamine in a military setting from that information alone, then I can't help you.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>dosage range for a prescription
prescriptions are only given for preexisting medical conditions.
>Nazis
still an ethical problem, the Nazis have no humanitarian limiters and would give people actual corpse starch made of incinerated israelites, if they thought it would work.
>ADHD
preexisting medical condition.
>These are the facts.
these are facts too.
1 year ago
Anonymous
what the frick is the problem? your mom a junkie?
1 year ago
Anonymous
I think the problem is that you are. your behavior isn't any different than any other drug addict and you are trying to justify your usage.
>there is nothing gained by micro dosing on Meth.
>that is the story of the 1st expendable /k/ druggernaughts.
to fight to the death, so everything else matters.
Methamphetamine taken at low dosages is not just the same as is taken in high dosages. You're moronic.
"The dose makes the poison" is literally the first law of medical toxicology. Methamphetamine neurotoxicity and cardiotoxicity is something exhibited in career tweakers who can sometimes smoke upwards of a gram of methamphetamine in a day.
Therapeutic doses of methamphetamine and amphetamine (5-15mg daily for meth, 5-40mg daily for amphetamine iirc) both can be maintained indefinitely without serious complications in the overwhelming majority of individuals. We have decades of research that corroborates these. These drugs are some of the most studied and well-understood in all of pharmacology. I suggest you do a little bit of reading.
And caffeine does NOT have anywhere near the same efficacy as amph/meth at any dosage. The fundamental pharmacodynamics of caffeine are different from dopaminergic stimulants, and their largest stimulant effects come from a physical rise in blood pressure and the suppression of physical tiredness via adenosine receptor blocking, with little cognitive stimulation.
You are moronic, caffeine is not something you ingest to remain cool and collected
Jitters is a side effect of caffeine intake, and I know you're moronic because you mentioned 'muh adrenaline'
Adrenaline isn't like some video game stat that you simply want more of, and the sort tied to caffeine is anxiety
Oral amphetamine/methamphetamine is the way as other OP stated
I don't know where your comment came in or went, but you should really read the rest of the post before responding as most of what you have said has been dis-proven in post.
Cardarine for cardio (personally I get no effects from it but I know people swear by it)
PCP for confidence and pain tolerance
(Meth)Amphetamines for stamina
Testosterone for all-around benefits, but especially physical performance
LSD if you know you're going to die and you want to make it as cool as possible
PCP would be great if it wasn't such a cognitively disabling drug. The reason that PCP has such a crazy reputation for "PCP rage" and shit is mostly propaganda, but part of it is based in fact because as a dissociative anaesthetic it makes it so you can't feel pain, however it isn't incapacitating as most related dissociatives like ketamine, nitrous, etc.
If you take too much ketamine, you're completely k-holed and unable to move, however if you take too much PCP you are still capable of moving around and doing things, just cognitively overloaded with the drug and completely unable to understand what is going on (typically terrified and/or aggressive), which is where the reports of PCP users being shot multiple times by law enforcement and still going come from--they just can't feel it and don't know what's going on.
It'd probably be worth looking at the various operators that have had drug problems. most seem to be painkillers due to other injuries, some cocaine, some other stuff. even as true addicts those guys still had to perform.
I''m pretty sure that most cases you're talking about got addicted to drugs after they were done with the military. It's kind of hard to be an operator if you're trying to get a nod on every night.
the military for a time permitted their spec-ops units to use pretty much anything as long as they could perform, to include booze and cocaine. this however turned to be a problem because they kept getting into drug trafficking rings.
as a result while they currently permit steroids, energy drinks, and a few other enhancers, there is a strong resistance to the use of illegal drugs because of these secondary problems.
Probably a low dosage of medical grade meth used at the start of a firefight to get even the dumbass machinegunner who's pulled three days of security a boost of energy.
Sobriety is ideal in a life or death situation
Yes, but if I'm gonna die, I wan to die high
loser
>if I'm goin' out, I'm goin' out blazin'!
If you are sober and competent, your chances of not dying at all drastically go up. You are also responsible for the lives of your comrades, who are responsible for your life as well. You can just send a prayer instead of impairing and endangering yourself with drugs.
Weed’s like coffee for me
I can smash a 12 pack and remain mostly functional. You sir, must be a saint, because I have to suppress my demons somehow, and in a combat scenario drunk me would be far more useful than sober "just kill me now" me.
It's time to make some important decisions.
I did. I stopped drinking anything from anheiser-bush.
>HOW DARE HUMAN BEINGS BE TREATED WITH RESPECT AND DIGNITY
Not only do you deserve your suffering, you literally bring it on yourself.
>troons
>human beings
lol, lmao. kys homosexual.
i miss old /k/
misogynistic wanker
It's not misogyny if it's not a woman
leftist here,
A-B is one of the biggest donors to conservative campaigns in the country, but I guess virtue signalling your dislike of other human beings is more important to you
thank you for your support
>letting companies know that virtue signaling is a form of oppression and tyranny, so you attack their income to show your displeasure.
yeah, I would say protecting my human rights is a very important thing and your mental disorder isn't. so why not take your meth micro-dose like a snickers and maybe you will feel better.
>drunk me would be far more useful than sober "just kill me now" me.
I'm very sorry you feel that way. It's not healthy to be functional only when your brain is shut off.
You should find people to talk to about life!
>DUUUUUDE WEED LMAOOOOO
Hashish means Assassin
the backpack alone is an destructive device ?
wtf, but I want one
Its a nuke anon.
Hashashin
>used condition
mah homie
amphetamines are widely used.
In WW1 before big offensives wine was consumed until you were half drunk. Wine was as important as munitions.
Forget the context, but I always enjoyed this ww1 quote
>It is shocking how much gin the british army carries into battle.
the former may be true since ww1 involved the pushing of cheap wine on french troops of diverse drinking culture regions ie. cider drinkers from normandie, spirits and/or beer drinkers from other regions. the latter sounds like bullshit because ww1 british rations were entirely rum. german was schnapps, which also increased the popularity of schnapps. not sure on the quality and consistency of either though.
Tell the Nazi's that.
did they win or did they lose?
Yeah, they lost because they ran out of pervatin. That finnish frick ate all of it
Nah. As a guy that doesn't drink much if at all, two beers would be ideal.
frick that bro let me crush a couple of six packs and put on the free bird solo, guaranteed medal of honor
I have no argument.
brown brown
I suggest you accept, its your bullets
speed, obviously
Shrooms
Viking berserkers running at you while trippin balls on Amanita muscaria
>shrooms
Sure, bullets flying while you anally keep trying to organize your gear in the shape of a mandala and write down pseudo philosophical half witted insights into spirituality on your notebook
<amphetamines
Not a bad choice
>Diazepam
Right, and be numb about everything, disconnecting from the fight or flight reaction, and constantly falling asleep
>Captagon is effectively a smoother, more powerful version of the WW2 pervitins.
Hadn’t heard of it. Will do some research. Pervitin is indeed great combat drug
It would depend a lot on the type of fighting you would be doing, but ideally you would want to maintain focus while sublimating aggression.
Low alcohol does it, but at normal/ high doses makes you sluggish, too reckless and prone to pass out. Amphetamines / meth do keep you active with a dose of aggression, however when used in higher dose/ extended time it can lead to psychosis and that’s the last thing you want in your platoon. You could counterbalance it with benzos but then the crash would be immense and you would an unusable soldier for 24 hours.
amphetamines
Queue the finnish pervitin story
>Queue
You're going to stand in line for it? It's cue, dumbass.
Caffeine and pain killers.
What kind of moronic underage question is this?
Any stimulant. Amphetamines is the classic since wars ago.
The people saying amphetamines have no experience taking uppers or any idea what they’re talking about lol.
>muh nazis
Wtf? They take my reaction speed from 165ms to 144ms, that's all I need to know about them
You've just never used any yourself clearly.
>diazepam
Yeah enjoy sitting on your arse and eating everyone's rations.
benzos are fricking gay and should only be used temporarily to get over alcoholism without dying of seizures. They seriously frick up your head and are incredibly addictive with withdrawals again leaving you at risk of life ending seizures
oh frick. no wonder the doctors told me to go to rehab instead of locking myself in a trailer for 2 weeks. oh well didn't die lol
They help with nerve damage and my fricking muscle spasms, been taking them as needed for 3 years haven't had an issue. Gabapentin on the other hand is absolutely terrible. I could see their use in combat as they increase pain tolerance like alcohol but without the intoxicating effect.
>muscle spasms
so yes like I said, good for seizures. You might not be on a very high dose but people who take them for psych problems tend to keep increasing doses as their tolerance increases to the point where the physical withdrawals can kill them from brain seizures if they cut cold turkey, plus make the mental issue theyre used to suppress a million times worse due to not only having the feelings all rush back in at once plus the mental stress of withdrawals
t. worked in a pharmacy for like a decade
>gabapentin
I was giving that to my cats after they got fixed. 75mg for my skittish female, didn't seem to do shit. How much did you have to take to feel anything? And what were the effects like?
3 x 600mg a day, basically just made me feel like a piece of shit and constantly hungry, especially for candy.
I got mild ones on prescription once and they made me better at videogames
Oh shit homie the unholy trinity
>opiates
>benzos
>amphetamines
i think a non impairing beta blocker such as propanolol would be better
that and modafanil. or maybe phenibut actually.
>modafinil
That's a wakefulness drug, no real effect on stability and accuracy of shot. In my experience it just made me feel sort of wired and bloated
Propanolol would reduce cardiac output and overall make the soldier weaker and slower.
I snort that shit every other week and I can tell you id be way more effective in combat after a few lines of dirt than sober.
diazepam is perfect for sniping.
>he doesn't use Pentazemin
There's a difference between taking 10mg methamphetamine orally and smoking/injecting over 200mg.
Viagra
Anabolic steroids
MREs should include trembolone acetate
gotta keep dudes juiced, would be a logistical pain in the ass and if they miss a dose, they'll start feeling like shit.
Muslims used to use crystal meth before suicide attacks in the 2000s. They'd also give it to kids who would take shots and still keep ticking.
So that.
For drugs successfully used in combat
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-42326253
>The UN has warned of a rise in trafficking of the synthetic opioid tramadol across West Africa, as one official revealed it is being found in the pockets of suicide bombers.
Mudslimes know where the good shit is
Yes, tramadol is completely a combat drug, maybe synthetic adrenaline or some kind of Adderall could work.
If you want to go full Huxley you can take shrooms for logistics planning.
Tramadol is the gayest fricking drug ever. Barely does anything for pain, no euphoric effects, and it makes you drowsy. Then again maybe Black folk process it differently than humans.
Tramadol sucks for you because the effects are highly dependent on an enzyme that cleaves off a methyl group at the O position. Different people have different genes and so different amounts of this enzyme that converts Tramadol to O-DSMT, the latter of which exhibits about 5x the same analgesic activity. I'm in the same boat--took 3.6 grams of tramadol and felt very little one time, no nod or euphoria (stupid idea, since that much approaches overdose territory, had a crazy bad headache for 16 hours when i woke up the next day). Some people have high amounts of this enzyme and can get a nice opioid high off trams.
Codeine's activity is somewhat analogous because just as Tramadol is O-DSMT with a methyl installed on the oxygen, codeine is morphine with a methyl installed on the oxygen. I think it may be inverted, though, because I think I read somewhere that codeine as a molecule on its own has a greater analgesic activity than morphine, except for most people it is metabolized as a prodrug to morphine. Not sure, though.
I got tramadol 50mg and oxy for a broken arm. Guess I'm one of the people that it works for. I took it more than the oxy because I could take it and knock the pain out without being too fricked up to drive and think. high wise, vicodin was way better.
what ever happened to that anti-sleeping drug that allows people to stay away for almost a week without any health decay?
I recalled that it was a spray drug and you basically snorted it.
Modest dose of amphetamines used only sparingly when you heading into real shit
The nazi fought the bongs in the North Africa, with both sides burning around the desert, awake for days on end powered by methamphetamine and dexadrine, aka dextroamphetamine, (nazis on the former, bongs on the latter). The bongs won so I'd say dexadrine is better.
iirc US pilots used to be prescribed dexadrine also, up until quite recently - they're probably all on modafinil now tho
>The bongs won so I'd say dexadrine is better
Have you considered the possibility that other factors contributed to the bong victory?
>they're probably all on modafinil now tho
Indeed
Bongs won in North Africa because of a change in strategy. I don't think it's fair to say it was because which they used though I'm sure it had its advantages.
meth use wasn't entirely ironed out for the nazis. at the time they thought it was a miracle drug because it allowed them to stay awake for days on end with no repercussions. if they would have used it to increase effectiveness during wakeful hours and still got restorative sleep they would have been much more effective as a whole rather than fighting sleep deprived and hopped up on drugs. stimulants can only do so much for you after a week of slee deprivation before it becomes a net negative.
We took modafinil on long flights. I was a boom operator on a KC-135. Shit would keep you awake and alert for hours and hours.
indomitable human spirit
Exactly 1 and a half units of alcohol.
I find a beer does more to improve my accuracy than coffee so I'm willing to say depressants are more useful than stimulants on an individual level since it's better to have a clear and calm head than one that's already buzzing before the lead starts flying. The opposite is true for tankers and pilots since the weapons are being handled by the machine so twitchy hands are okay if it lets you react faster to information
BZ for both sides. War is hell but it could always be worse.
>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/3-Quinuclidinyl_benzilate
I'd like to try some drugs. I'd like to try ayahuasca and really pure cocaine once. I've never done drugs of any kind. Well, I smoked a cigarette but it was nasty and I did go to a Bob Dylan concert years back. I didn't smoke any pot but it was thick in the air and remember the colors did get pretty vibrant and I was super hungry after the concert. Anyway, I don't think pure cocaine is that bad or at least it doesn't seem like it, don't know.
I'd like to do that too, make a proper catalog of drugs and what their effects are and how it felt to experience them. Especially psychedelics, I wanna know if and acid trip looks different to a DMT one and if so how do they differ
There are websites with hundreds or thousands of user submitted reports for all basically all psychadelics
Lsd lasts long like 8 hours and its more similar to shrooms
DMT is similar to tryptamines, it lasts 30 minutes for the peak and its really intense, you get more crazy stuff like time dilation and shit
erowid is the site you're looking for
Holy frick I remember that from literally decades ago, I had no idea it's still a thing.
All drug experiences are subjective, but many people (including me) find that tryptamines have lighter and more mellow colors compared to the deep colors of lysergamides, distortions on tryptamines tend to be more wavey and lysergamides tend to be more melty. I find tryptamines to be a lighter and happier experience, whereas lysergamides tend to be introspective and heavy. All psychedelic drug experiences are intense, though.
At high doses as is typical with vaporized DMT, the nature of the hallucinations don't even compare to typical psychedelic experience. Completely different world, and though all psychedelic experiences are impossible to describe to some extent, high/'heroic' doses are basically immune to being accurately characterized in words.
Adrenaline.
Testosterone Enanthate for a test base
Primobolan Enanthate for a bit more aggression without messing with higher cognitive function as well as solid muscle
Nandrolone Decanoate for more muscle with less side effects compared to testosterone
Adderall for increased focus
Nicotine same as above
Modafanil to keep you alert on long nights
Diazepam to keep you cool when nervous
EPO for better endurance
All of that is good except deca, you can get everything you need from the test+primo
Deca is surprisingly good for your joints, I like to think of it as injury prevention and relief with some anabolism as a bonus
Though Anavar might be even better
Test, HGH, Diazepam, nicotine, caffeine.
Probably methamphetamine in low doses
Never been in combat but for plinking and hunting/wandering around in the woods shooting stuff
Inderal and adderall
Inderal like kills the physiological stress responses or something so you don’t even blink while firing. Gives very steady hands too.
and adderall is amphetamines which are neat.
Alternatively microdosing lsd. Keeps you awake and alert and your senses heightened and causes a 12-hour buzz without being “trippy.” Also like removes anxiety and doubt in weird ways that hard to explain but it improves accuracy and precision by a lot. Takes you out of your head and makes it a lot easier to just do what you gotta do to the best of your abilities and no ego.
Alternatively modalert, which is a wakefulness super drug that can basically let you stay up for days without feeling tired and without feeling methy.
All of them
Modafinil
Ritalin
Codeine
Ambien (for sleep after a raid)
Caffeine
SARMS
AAS
Ssri's
Stimulants, percocet, lsd
The shit they fed them in Jacob's Ladder.
The US shot up their pilots with amphetamines during the gulf War and them gave them downers to sleep when they got back. I'd say amphetamines in low doses but im talking about pure lab made shit not the shake and bake white trash shit or Mexican cartel bullshit. I've never done amphetamines so I'm just going by pilots I know that told me this happened.
the north hollywood shootout guys were high on speed or amphetamines
probably why they couldn't think straight and got stuck
They were on barbiturates. Their idea was that it would help them stay calm, which I suppose worked right up until it didn't
Obviously booze is the right answer.
Oh wait, you said, "combat?" I thought you said charisma
4-Fluoroamphetamine
>Laser focus
>Heightened energy
>Light euphoria
>Elevated wakefulness
>Anxiety suppression
The only combat I've ever been in was low-intensity that last over 4 hours. The number one issue I suffered and observed in others was anxious restlessness and exhaustion after adrenaline dump. A small dose of 4-FA would improve morale, keep everyone alert and eliminate anxiety.
world governments after WW2 (including the USA, the only one that matters) decided that amphetamines like this guy is suggesting
are fun and a good number 2, but caffeine is the best at enhancing performance without a performance degrading crash afterwards, for everyone except for pilots that have to stay awake post sortie or die anyway.
Isn't 4-FA one of the really neurotoxic amphetamine analogs? Or another halogenated one?
Why don'cha try α-Methyltryptamine?
Caffeine, testosterone enanthate, human chorionic gonadotropin, and arimidex. Feel free to swap caffeine for modafinil if you're feeling spicy.
Dunno about combat, but meth is fun.
Meth makes me acutely aware that all my ideas are bad, but the energy to push through and act on them.
The opiate of the masses has been used with great effect
I wonder what it would be like to get in a firefight while tripping on LSD
If you’re not like tripping tripping it’s kind of ideal I’d reckon. Taking like 1/5th of a hit turns you into an ubermensch for the day
Hamilton Morris interviewed a clandestine MDA chemist who was in Vietnam, he smoked a bunch of pot but never dropped acid in country, but he apparently saw guys that would drop acid and be over the moon laughing during rocket attacks at night. The whole podcast is really interesting, it's on youtube.
Captagon is widely used in conflicts all over North Africa and the Middle East. And seems to be pretty effective. With obvious long term downsides. But if you don't care about them it's a boon.
True. Captagon is effectively a smoother, more powerful version of the WW2 pervitins.
Tea or coffee pick one.
Cocaine
the reason there's a war on drugs
Weed and booze and addys. Train like you fight, kings
since so many people mention using alcohol in war I wonder if the glowies ever considered novel NDMA antagonists for use in combat instead of just anaesthesia in the field
>novel NDMA antagonists
You mean MDMA?
no, he meant NMDA antagonists most likely. NMDA antagonists are the class of drugs that comprise typical dissociatives: ketamine, DXM, PCP+related analogs, nitrous, ether, so on and so forth
Meth mixed with ecstasy
focused rage.
the one that the US military issues.
why is it so good? i never found the consumer equivalent
actually unreal how good these are
caffeine + nicotine
about Rip-it from the wiki:
The drink contains 160% daily value of vitamin C, 240% daily value of vitamin B6, and 830% daily value of vitamin B12 per 16 fl oz serving according to product packaging (purchase date: 2020-11-24). It also contains taurine, caffeine, inositol, and guarana seed extract. Sugar-free versions contain sucralose and acesulfame potassium.[8] Rip It drinks average about 160 mg of caffeine per 16 fl oz can, with the Le-MOAN’R flavor containing 204 mg of caffeine.[9] The 2 fl oz shot versions contain about 100 mg of caffeine, with some flavors containing as much as 135 mg.[10]
probably the safest high caffeine content drink on the market.
>vitamin C
does a lot of things for the body, mostly helps protect the kidneys.
>Vitamin B6
does a lot of things for the body, mostly helps with brain growth (lets you think clearly), also kidneys
>Vitamin B12
helps with kidney function (will need it because of caffeine), also effects brain health.
>taurine
an enhancer for the caffeine, staves off a crash (your body already makes this.)
>gaurana seed extract
a specific form of caffeine that is known to be slow acting. (helps to reduce crash effects.)
>surcralose
an empty caloric, acts as a laxative, makes you want to piss more often.
>acesulfame potassium
empty caloric, minor potassium, no effect other than trash for energy. (starves you+minor potassium)
>inosital
basically just a modified form of sugar, does a lot for neuron health and is a sugar. (your body already makes this)
the answer is caffeine and ibuprofen, or the militarizes slightly more potent version.
there are reasons you don't use other drugs:
>alcohol
reduces reaction time, makes you too woozy and disoriented. personal choice for recreation post mission, still not preferred.
>marijuana
reduces reaction time, makes you too woozy and disoriented, not a good choice for recreation post mission because it has a ghosting effect. illegal. known to be a cheap pain killer drug with mild long term negative effects.
>cocaine
makes you to energized, causes brain damage and exhausts the body.
>crack
same as cocaine but more severe, also generally has a lot of other major side effects.
>morphine
is useful as a temporary pain killer, otherwise not a performance enhancer.
>MDMA (molly)
useful as a therapeutic drug, not for regular use. not a performance enhancer.
>hallucinogenics
has some use in therapy, not for regular use. not a performance enhancer.
>barbiturates
used as a pain killer, useful in medical surgeries, ad hock as a pain killer. not good for regular use. not a performance enhancer.
>asphyxiation (spray paint)
brain damage, or else kinky sex. other than the sex, not a performance enhancer.
>Sex/sexual acts
release of natural endorphins can increase moral without any short term side effects. generally an issue for other reasons nor related to drug usage.
i like how the only drugs you ignore are the ones perfectly suited to this role: amphetamine and methamphetamine.
cocaine is not good for this role because of its short duration of effects, high addictiveness in most forms, and expense (natural product grown only in certain parts of the world). it is also more cardiotoxic than neurotoxic.
amphetamine and methamphetamine, taken as oral formulations, provide a very good and highly effective state of stimulation that can be extended up to a couple day without extreme side effects (after 48hrs without a quality rest, you begin to risk stimulant psychosis). they are both long-lasting, not overly addictive through oral administration (YES, meth is very addictive when it is smoked/insufflated/IVed. oral methamphetamine on the other hand is an ADHD prescription).
neurotoxicity of meth/amph is only applicable at high doses taken for euphoric recreational dose repeatedly over a long period of time.
speed is the perfect combat drug. no contest.
no the major reason is the crash. if you crash on a mission, then you can just totally loose contentiousness.
Mild latent reacting caffeine, such as those sold in energy drinks has the lowest crash to longest effects. add adrenaline and other natural-body-made-drugs on top of that and if you use Meth no matter the dosage it will cause an overload and double up on negative effects. caffeine does this too , but again because it is mild your body can handle it post mission.
I deliberately used that image because the problem with the idea of "give them drugs they have to complete the mission," is that once you start using hard drugs you basically admit you don't expect them to return or live a normal life ever again.
>hence the 1st expendable.
The idea is never to keep your guys loaded 24/7, it's to administer the drugs prior to a major operation / objective to ensure combat readiness.
Not to mention the crash issue is completely averted by sticking to low (therapeutic adhd-level) doses, which are still very effective in improving functionality, especially without sleep.
If a unit is in a combat environment or are in an operation for 48 hours straight without the chance for any adequate rest, they have bigger issues than a crash waiting when they run out.
You clearly have zero experience with stimulants. Amphetamine and methamphetamine do not cause a delirious or serious crash unless you abuse them to the extreme with euphoric recreational doses over a long period of time. Methamphetamine is also nearly indistinguishable from amphetamine at therapeutic doses, perhaps only a slightly greater euphoria.
>if you use Meth no matter the dosage it will cause an overload and double up on negative effects
This is just wrong.
>once you start using hard drugs you basically admit you don't expect them to return or live a normal life ever again
Functional dose oral methamphetamine is safe and orders of magnitude less addictive than smoked/insufflated/IVed methamphetamine.
There is a reason that speed-related stimulants are essentially the only serious psychoactive drug used in a military capacity for almost 100 years now.
oh wait, there is caffeine for that, and you know what it does just that and no side effects.
Meth, taken in low dosages is just the same as taken in "high dosages."
you are destroying your body permanently for a temporary problem that can be solved by a cheaper, safer drug called Caffeine.
>t. Has never heard of modawake
>refers to a medical drug. as a performance enhancer.
medical drugs are medicinal, not a performance enhancer. they are used for a very specific situation involving a preexisting condition.
that is at-least a more intellectual response than I was expecting.
still the issue is the poison. since meth is a direct connotative enhancer, it means that it will directly tear apart the mind, which causes the brain itself to have to repair. the brain actually repairs itself very slowly compared to a simple chemical imbalance in the body. Hence the long term use of meth is very bad for you. and the short term should as well. because we know for medicinal uses what that is, is that a mind has made some improper connections, or has non-existent connections and you are either supplementing hormones directly in the brain. even with limited usage you are non-the-less causing a persons brain to rip apart, and so requires some very intensive medical control.
the same goes for steroids. since the US military isn't trying to retain pure effort, they allow the limited use of steroids. problem with them is even with controlled usage it causes such a hormone imbalance that it can permanently damage the body and mind.
>since meth is a direct connotative enhancer
What the frick is this even supposed to mean? You just made that up.
> it will directly tear apart the mind, which causes the brain itself to have to repair
Source? Methamphetamine neurotoxicity is caused by the drug inducing structural changes over long periods of time when therapeutic doses are significantly exceeded, and incumbent oxidative stress and dopaminergic neurotoxicity. At therapeutic doses these mechanisms of damage are negligible, even over the long-term.
>Hence the long term use of meth is very bad for you.
Sure! When you're a tweaker smoking hundreds of milligrams a day for months.
>the short term should as well
As long as you don't overdose, even tweaker doses (tolerance dependent ig) of methamphetamine aren't going to cause irreversible brain damage in the short term.
>because we know for medicinal uses what that is, is that a mind has made some improper connections, or has non-existent connections and you are either supplementing hormones directly in the brain. even with limited usage you are non-the-less causing a persons brain to rip apart, and so requires some very intensive medical control.
This is word salad gibberish. Are you sure you aren't tweaking right now? Methamphetamine does not "cause a person's brain to rip apart".
>the same goes for steroids.
Steroids, like methamphetamine, are possible to use safely. Controlled usage will not "permanently damage the body and mind", unless the person controlling the usage is an idiot.
Start coughing up sources or stop coughing up bullshit.
>sources
the same ones you are using. except I actually understand what they are saying.
you don't need sources when what you are talking about is common knowledge in fact. describing an observation doesn't require sourcing. pontificating on a theory does.
fact:
>meth has been observed to have neurotoxin and cardio-toxicity effects
>meth operates as a nuero-inflamatory drug.
here is a recent report on meth addiction
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7457172/
>meth has been observed to have neurotoxin and cardio-toxicity effects
>meth operates as a neuro-inflamatory drug.
No shit moron. You want to know another fact? These neurotoxic and cardiotoxic effects are dose- and time-dependent, as is every effect of every drug in existence.
Coadministration of alcohol and acetaminophen is observed to damage the liver. By your logic, everybody on planet earth who has ever taken a tylenol for a hangover should have cirrhosis. But they don't. You know why? Because it's dose and time dependent. Getting blackout drunk and taking a tylenol the next morning is not going to kill you. Being a chronic alcoholic who regularly takes tylenol everyday will kill you. Rule #1 of toxicology: the dose makes the poison.
Literally the second sentence of the abstract you linked:
>The CONTINUOUS USE of meth eventually leads to drug addiction and causes serious health complications, including attention deficit, memory loss and cognitive decline
Notice the phrase CONTINUOUS USE. It repeats the same sentiment in the conclusion, citing CHRONIC USE.
YES, methamphetamine is directly neurotoxic. YES, methamphetamine is directly cardiotoxic. YES, methamphetamine use can result in serious adverse effects. YES, methamphetamine will induce oxidative stress and dopaminergic neurotoxicity.
The point is that use of methamphetamine at THERAPEUTIC DOSES (5-25mg) over the period of a few months is not going to induce permanent adverse effects. You're doing the equivalent of pointing to a heroin junkie shooting up and saying "See! See! Morphine should NEVER be used in hospitals, just look what it leads to!"
>end of story is don't use it as a performance enhancer.
Methamphetamine's performance enhancing effects OCCUR AT THERAPEUTIC DOSES.
The nazis did not prescribe meth pipes. A single dose of pervitin was THREE MILLIGRAMS, which is much less than what is even given to ADHD patients who are prescribed desoxyn.
When tweakers abuse methamphetamine, they are smoking tens of milligrams at once, usually around 40-50mg, and serious tweakers can do this multiple times a day regularly for months.
>therapeutic dose.
sound like a "not performance enhancement" drug kind of thing. sounds like a limited one time thing for a specific reason.
>I mean if we can use the Nazis as a standard of ethics...
Therapeutic dose is medical speak for acceptance dosage range for a prescription you fricking imbecile.
The nazis issued 3mg pills of meth for combat operations. We give up to 25mg pills of daily meth to kids with ADHD in the USA today.
These are the facts. If you're too stupid to make a rational conclusion about the safety and efficacy of methamphetamine in a military setting from that information alone, then I can't help you.
>dosage range for a prescription
prescriptions are only given for preexisting medical conditions.
>Nazis
still an ethical problem, the Nazis have no humanitarian limiters and would give people actual corpse starch made of incinerated israelites, if they thought it would work.
>ADHD
preexisting medical condition.
>These are the facts.
these are facts too.
what the frick is the problem? your mom a junkie?
I think the problem is that you are. your behavior isn't any different than any other drug addict and you are trying to justify your usage.
>there is nothing gained by micro dosing on Meth.
>that is the story of the 1st expendable /k/ druggernaughts.
to fight to the death, so everything else matters.
that is your mentality.
Methamphetamine taken at low dosages is not just the same as is taken in high dosages. You're moronic.
"The dose makes the poison" is literally the first law of medical toxicology. Methamphetamine neurotoxicity and cardiotoxicity is something exhibited in career tweakers who can sometimes smoke upwards of a gram of methamphetamine in a day.
Therapeutic doses of methamphetamine and amphetamine (5-15mg daily for meth, 5-40mg daily for amphetamine iirc) both can be maintained indefinitely without serious complications in the overwhelming majority of individuals. We have decades of research that corroborates these. These drugs are some of the most studied and well-understood in all of pharmacology. I suggest you do a little bit of reading.
And caffeine does NOT have anywhere near the same efficacy as amph/meth at any dosage. The fundamental pharmacodynamics of caffeine are different from dopaminergic stimulants, and their largest stimulant effects come from a physical rise in blood pressure and the suppression of physical tiredness via adenosine receptor blocking, with little cognitive stimulation.
You are moronic, caffeine is not something you ingest to remain cool and collected
Jitters is a side effect of caffeine intake, and I know you're moronic because you mentioned 'muh adrenaline'
Adrenaline isn't like some video game stat that you simply want more of, and the sort tied to caffeine is anxiety
Oral amphetamine/methamphetamine is the way as other OP stated
I don't know where your comment came in or went, but you should really read the rest of the post before responding as most of what you have said has been dis-proven in post.
Caffeine works best when supplimented by Theanine. Complete game changer
Theanine is the most underrated suppliment
Datura is no joke, read some of the trip reports on Erowid
dude weed
Cardarine for cardio (personally I get no effects from it but I know people swear by it)
PCP for confidence and pain tolerance
(Meth)Amphetamines for stamina
Testosterone for all-around benefits, but especially physical performance
LSD if you know you're going to die and you want to make it as cool as possible
PCP would be great if it wasn't such a cognitively disabling drug. The reason that PCP has such a crazy reputation for "PCP rage" and shit is mostly propaganda, but part of it is based in fact because as a dissociative anaesthetic it makes it so you can't feel pain, however it isn't incapacitating as most related dissociatives like ketamine, nitrous, etc.
If you take too much ketamine, you're completely k-holed and unable to move, however if you take too much PCP you are still capable of moving around and doing things, just cognitively overloaded with the drug and completely unable to understand what is going on (typically terrified and/or aggressive), which is where the reports of PCP users being shot multiple times by law enforcement and still going come from--they just can't feel it and don't know what's going on.
why not LSD+DXM for that extra DMT?
It'd probably be worth looking at the various operators that have had drug problems. most seem to be painkillers due to other injuries, some cocaine, some other stuff. even as true addicts those guys still had to perform.
I''m pretty sure that most cases you're talking about got addicted to drugs after they were done with the military. It's kind of hard to be an operator if you're trying to get a nod on every night.
Coke? Maybe.
the military for a time permitted their spec-ops units to use pretty much anything as long as they could perform, to include booze and cocaine. this however turned to be a problem because they kept getting into drug trafficking rings.
as a result while they currently permit steroids, energy drinks, and a few other enhancers, there is a strong resistance to the use of illegal drugs because of these secondary problems.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_psychoactive_drugs_used_by_militaries
>please talk to your doctor is meth is right for you.
DXM, 600mg of it.
Probably a low dosage of medical grade meth used at the start of a firefight to get even the dumbass machinegunner who's pulled three days of security a boost of energy.
Heroin bb
A well balanced shot of meth and opana.
The CIA should make some shorter acting Memantine style dissociative for combat use.