What are some of the worst range officer fudds you've encountered?
Recently I've seen one that would let you leave, with your firearm in the case, while the range was hot because "no firearm away from the beach for any reason".
What are some of the worst range officer fudds you've encountered?
Not let you leave* should have said
WTF is the deal with coastie ROs LMAO
Based Ben Avery’s poster. Lots of Boomers but the good kind.
Agreed
>M1 Rifle
Never been to the 1,000 yard range, how was it?
That’s only the 100 yard range. Was shooting the garand for the first time so I was just shooting simple for fun.
we don't need ranges unlike you landlocked homosexuals we got plenty of bureau land and forestry to shoot on
Ben Avery is dope they host competitions
Taking an open bolt gun to a range with fudd ROs is hilarious. They have no idea how to make them safe.
Pic related also confuses the shit out of them every time I take it out. One dumb homosexual demanded to see my stamp for the top in pic related at the old Red's in Pflugerville.
Reds is fricking dog shit, I despise that place. It’s fricked any out door range is 45 minutes away and 10000 hoops to jump through for a membership
I feel ya friend. Sadly it's one of the only reasonably priced close ranges in the Austin area. Every other place is either way too expensive or way too far.
im at Austin Rifle Club in manor. they're not taking new members?
its outdoors though, on days like today no way im going out there.
man only public range I frick with in the austin area is lone star in lockhart. The range is frickin cringe, reds is fricked etc.
k/aliko neat
local range wouldnt let me shoot my 308 without a supressor as "its too loud" while someone was firing a 12 gauge. the range has since closed due to his bullshit.
>go to gun range
>complain the guns are too loud
what?
HE SAID THE RIFLE WAS TOO LOUD
Well if he was shooting a rifle into the crowd then he should have been kicked out!
WHAT
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
WHAT ABOUT A BUTT?
>be me
>range is near empty
>they stick in lane next to .308 w/ brake guy
>ouchy
i hate muzzle break Black person homosexuals so much, shooting a fricking muzzle break 308 on the 50 yard line
Muzzle brake Black person homosexual that shoots at 50 yards here. How else am I supposed to train CQB with my Tavor 7?
not my problem
>wouldnt let me shoot my 308 without a supressor as "its too loud" while someone was firing a 12 gauge
...are you implying a shotgun is as loud as a .308?
Because it isn't.
at this point, either will do in terms of killing yourself, Black person
He doesn’t need to kill himself, you just murdered him dude
Not him and you're not wrong but wherever you got that screenshot from is understating things, rifles are MUCH louder than that. Of course shotguns aren't any different, a Remington 870 12ga is more like 165dB so that RO was still a moron. All unsuppressed guns are super loud, though I guess you can use a flash can muzzle device to reduce shooter sound (at the expense of anything in front of you) better than a 3 prong.
Really though: FRICK THE NFA. A basic can should be like $50 otc. Range should just be able to have a pile of cheapies on hand to give members for free if they want them used. Please let that get struck down.
>2014
>Bought the wife a new pistol for Christmas
>Went to the nearby indoor range
>Range is over-crowded, which is a violation in of itself
>Supposed to be a max of two people per lane
>RO is letting 3-4 people per lane and it's too crowded and busy
>We set up and decide to give it a try anyways
>5 minutes into shooting, I notice that the morons in the next lane over are giving some teenage girl a bunch of firearms she isn't ready to use, then laughing at her when she can't handle the recoil
>She is muzzle sweeping everyone and they're just guffawing like a bunch of absolute fricking redneck scumbags
>I tell my wife to stay in the lane since there are barriers and I leave the range area and vestibule
>I approach the RO who is playing on his goddamn flip phone
>"Hey, there's a lot of unsafe behavior going on out there that you need to address."
>RO walks in, looks around, does nothing
>I walk back over to my wife, tell her it's time to pack up
>As soon as we left the lane, dumb b***h next to us ND's straight where my wife had been standing
>We went to the RO and demanded our money back, he refused
>Never went back again
Someone got shot there about a month later in the range, place got sued and changed ownership.
Also FRICK NEW CAPTCHA
You've demonstrated that race's only skin deep, never relax around anyone
Here it is Anon, the (You) that you've been salivating over for the past 10 minutes.
ND aren't any less dangerous from a white perpetrator, bucko
I think a Black person would be more likely to intentionally shoot me than ND.
you're more likely to have a nice day than to be shot by anyone of any given race.
>>You've demonstrated that race's only skin deep
Is africa not like europe because of slavery, racism, colonialism or because of and or lack of christianity?
Africa has lots of Christianity. It's only made it worse.
Now that it's worse, Islam is the new hotness there, and THAT'S only making it worse too.
Maybe it has more to do with the locals instead of what they pray to? Big think.
Take your biology, genetics, and science and shove it up your ass you Christian bigot!
Africa was a predominantly islamic nation for almost all of it's life in the modern world because the isamics and other middle easterners would come around the coast to rape, pillage and conquer, then sell the slaves, as such their religion was the dominant one. Christian missionaries weren't nearly as significant there as the islamic presence.
is ethiopia a joke to you?
>Africa was a predominantly islamic nation for almost all of it's life in the modern world
Where do you people come from? Is there a stupid factory nobody told me about?
>Africa is dominated by islamic slave traders for centuries
>somehow this means catholocism is spread
okay kiddo.
>africa
>nation
lmfao holy shit what a moron. also there is a reason they were derogatorily called kaffirs by muslims. hint: they weren't muslim
>Has to split hairs like a woman to try an eek out a win
kek, just take the l
Die off onionboy.
No, we all knew that every group of people has it's undesirables. This still doesn't change the FACT that some groups of people have more. Keep trying to ignore reality plebbit brain.
nu-/k/
Nah
>not taking a few trophies on the way out
tsk tsk
keep playing by the rules, kid
>We went to the RO and demanded our money back, he refused
>Never went back again
im sure your wife is a land whale but her snatch is still only the 2nd biggest pussy in this relationship.
None.
I go out in the middle of nowhere and shoot.
On behalf of those who live in the middle of nowhere: watch yourself and mind your business.
shut the frick up homosexual hick
>shut the frick up I'll go wheever I want and you can't-
>*BANG!*
>can't differentiate between recreationist and moron
>implying I didn't ID your mentally unstable long gun toting fat ass waddling over 10" ago
Enjoy your attempted murder charges
>t. Lives in a city
>yea bro I'll totally kill someone for existing outside
larping homosexual. rest assured several people know where I'll be when I go out to the sticks and if anything happens to me they'll burn the whole place to the ground, your meth shack included.
On behalf of many intelligent gun owners, don't throw random threats to your fellow man or you'll get your ass capped and no one will care.
Be kind to your neighbor and make connections, you dumb homosexual.
Clean the trash out of your yard, fix your damn exhaust, grade a road, and get the sheriff to stop running prostitutehouses before acting like there's some kind of standard out here.
This. We’re blessed bros. I’ve never been to an official range in my entire life and never want to. Living in the mountains is great for so many reasons.
I want to get there some day. I've lived a big city of some sort my entire life and I'm fricking done.
Nowhere chads rise up
One time at some moronic range the range officer kept stopping me for "rapid fire." my shots were literally 2 seconds or more apart. I got so fed up i started loading one round, yelling out a warning that i was about to fire, firing, putting the gun down with the breach up, and then yelling for permission to fire another round. Got thrown out of the range.
thats funny
Good old malicious compliance.
>Range wants all guns to be cleared with actions open during cease fire
>Ok that's fine
>Shooting cap and ball revolver, ceasefire starts
>Remove the cylinder and put it on the bench
>RSO sees that the cylinder still has caps on it
>Freaks the frick out and covers it in half a dozen sandbags while scowling at me
Most places I don't like usually have most, if not all of the following:
> Default is cold range
> No more than 1 round per second
> No drawing from the holster
> All weapons must be empty, locked to the rear, and on the table when not in use
> Lane shooting only
> No shooting from standing, kneeling, or the prone, all firing must be from the bench at all times
> No unmagnified optics on the 100y line
> No FMJ rifle rounds allowed on the range
I know why they do it, and I have been blessed to find a hot range near me until I can save up and buy some land, but I have nightmares that my range will close before I can buy it.
Elm Fork?
Not him but the only "good" part about Elm Fork is the shotgun range, had some good fun with my dad shooting clays, also any good rage recommendations in the DFW area?
> any good range recommendations in the DFW area?
ETTS, but that's not really DFW. There's also a semi-public tac style range up the hill at Quail Creek, but they max out at 50y.
>Quail Creek
just went to the Websight, no FMJ allowed, but the ETTTS range seems a lot better, so I'll definitely look into going there. thanks anon
He's not talking about Quail Creek. Quail Creek is fudd central. There's a competition/police style flat range up a caliche drive from it, attached to the same parking lot. Big boy rules, don't shoot the pistol steel with rifles, ROs are chill unless you're an unsafe dipshit.
ETTS is a nice damn range, especially for rifles, but unless you already live south of 20, that shit is a drive.
That's nearly every single rifle range near DFW. Elm Fork is simply the most well known.
I love how elm fork pops up in every range thread now and it doesn't even require a state to be mentioned.
But also I fricking hate this city
I know idiots abound. I've seen exactly what happens when it rains at several of the indoor ranges here.
But that's always going to happen when you have a business plan around lowest rates and maximum volume. The club model is less profitable in the short term, but more sustainable long term because long term members help out with maintenance and safety training, chip in for new equipment, and police unsafe behavior even when the ROs aren't there because they have their own time and money put in.
See if fun is allowed on Caddo NG, if so keep it to yourself
Call to be sure, but from the National Forests site:
> Target shooting is also prohibited in the WMA of the Angelina NF, Davy Crockett NF, Sabine NF, Sam Houston NF, Caddo‐LBJ NG
>Angelina NF, Davy Crockett NF
Hasn't stopped me yet.
Do they even list a reason? i.e. wiggers shooting trash piles. Otherwise you just know some cabal of Boomers wrote letters to the D/Ag so their precious ranges could be maintained. God frick Texas.
I honestly can't wait to leave. It's absolute bullshit that it was easier for me to hunt in Massachusetts than it is in Texas. The appeal of this place is nothing but propaganda and if I wasn't making six figures I'd be dipping to the Smoky Mountains or New Hampshire.
>get tags
>hunt
do they just not have tags in Mass or what?
Shit I actually came from NH to Texas. Going ok for me down here but miss it still and hate the heat. Only way to live there now is if your relative can get you work at one of the fricking many government contracted companies or some shit.
>NH to Texas
Same. I like Texas more and the heat is something that you will get used to.
Yeah as far as I've read it's specifically no longer allowed at caddo. Enforcement may vary but risk for that sort of thing seems high
I’m a born and raised Texan whose lived in a bunch of different spots around the state. No public land is a real problem, but with respect to ranges it’s much worse now than it was just 5 years ago. The influx of people moving to Texas has caused land development companies to get uppity with ranges who were there WAY before them. As a general rule, outdoor ones are much better, and they’re being culled.
In fact, all 3 of my favorite outdoor ranges in totally different areas of the state have been closed by land developers.
>Hot Wells in Cypress – 5 mins from my apt, $10 for the day if you were just shooting one thing. Slightly fuddy on rules (a staff member accidentally killed a guy a few years ago and they got paranoid) but the people were nice and the sheer convenience of it won me over. First time in my life I could casually pop to the range before or after lunch on a Saturday without feeling like I was wasting the trip. In 2021 land owners very maliciously held them in court until they bankrupted them. They shortly became a skeet-only range and have heard it’s going to become a food truck hub. Haven’t been back since though.
>Starry Gun Range in Corpus Christi – Chillest ever; one guy lounged in a chair, took cash, and let you do whatever unsupervised. Also closed last year after land developer got uppity with him.
>Best of the West in Liberty Hill – the greatest range I’d ever been to (1000yd range, tactical bays, rented full autos and allowed you to shoot whatever). Closed 2019 after a dev claimed they were getting fire from the range and the court shut them down.
If Alpine in DFW dies then a bit of my childhood goes with it.
>heard it’s going to become a food truck hub.
This is basically what Texas is turning into. A giant fusion food truck lot. Because morons from out of state think that waiting to order, waiting to eat, and eating over priced food while sweating in the hot Texas sun is hip.
It's because tejanos and wetbacks are unironically superior cooks. it's genetic
>Alpine in DFW
Visited a friend in DFW and we went there, seemed pretty good except for all the gay ass texas rules. Seem to remember it being basically the only place, too.
this shit makes my blood boil almost as much as people that build/buy houses next to racetracks or airports and then complain about the noise
like stfu moron you signed up for that when you bought the house
The future is just an indoor gun range where must being the weapon inside a hard case, the RO takes it out and sets it in the vice, and you shoot only range provided ammo at range provided targets, and you pay $25 every 15 minutes to do it. Be sure and snap lots of selfies before hand, because lets be honest, you're not doing this again for years, so get the internet cred now.
In my state richgay neighbors tried to shut down a chill old range which actually fought and won in court for a change, precedent set too. But that was pure luck, they'll never make back those court fees though some of the donation drives helped, they just were an old family that ran it and were super fricking pissed at imports and did it on principle.
But that sad thing is I suspect there is an inverse relationship between how chill and nice a range is and how vulnerable they are to complaints. The chill nice ranges also tend to be the poorer ones, precisely because they aren't gouging everybody for everything all the time. The fricking system self-selects for buttholes.
I'm pretty sure you and me are the only real Texans in this thread but you mention hotwells which was always shit and leave out the oldest and bestest outdoor ranges in the Houston area. Carter's is great, especially if you go in the morning during the week when it's raining. You get the range to yourself. Thunder is alright and the one in Cleveland too. And those are just the north east side of Houston.
But, maybe those places still exist because all the nutexans don't want to move north for some reason
I've been to Thunder, and yeah, it's good. Not familiar with Carter's - just looked it up and it's way out there in Spring. 40+ minute drive to both it and Thunder for me.
Perhaps I should have expounded - part of the issue is being even somewhat near major population centers and having good outdoor ranges. I'm not deep in Houston, easily 30 mins out and can go moderately innawoods in 5 mins. Pic related was how I spent part of my July 4th. But the Suburbs are being de-ranged. You really have to get out there. Even Best of the West was just a 25 min drive, and that was for total freedom on a bay.
I'll check out Carter's some time. Thanks anon.
>you mention hotwells which was always shi
I wouldn't go that far, but I did clarify the convenience was the major draw for me. If I just wanted to drill accuracy with one gun, $10 for the day and a 5 minute drive was pretty awesome. I can tolerate fuddy rules for that.
most of those describe the closest outdoor range to me. pretty shit place that went to membership only after coof hit
>no unmagnified optics beyond the 100y line
What the frick?
I've been to a range like that. They don't want you hitting anything besides your target, supposedly.
>4 MOA front sight post is fine
>REEEEEEE you'll miss with a 1 MOA dot
That seems insane, so does the no FMJ, I can get no m855 or the like as a fire hazard, but no FMJ seems insane.
Keeps the poor people and the Timmies from upsetting the deer hunters. Seeing someone using an obviously military rifle used to upset their blood pressure. Elm Fork used to have a ban on all pistol gripped rigfles on the 100 yard range.
Man deer hunters are actually moronic. Their sense of what is long range for different rifles is absurd.
all but the last two sounds like the Rifle and Pistol club that I use to be part of.
>200yd range needs a 100yd qualification for each rifle.
>I have 6 rifles that I would have to get qualified individually.
>Some of the staff treated me as if I was a problem waiting.
>get told nearly each time that I open my gun case to keep muzzle down range.
>have to Kneel or Bench my gun.
>give up on my off hand due to Black powder fudd saying shit.
>Black powder fudd even joked about never argue with a man loading his gun.
>wft.png
>after a Black powder event, decide to seek membership at an old range.
The range I want to go back to had a 1000yd target that I use to hit 5 for 5 with an Vz.24 Mauser using an long range off hand technique. I miss that place despite an RO thinking that .308 = 7.62...
>No shooting from standing, kneeling, or the prone, all firing must be from the bench at all times
>No unmagnified optics on the 100y line
>No FMJ rifle rounds allowed on the range
These make no sense.
1. We'd make everyone shoot from the prone, but 80% of our clientel couldn't get back up, so just shoot off the bench please
2. I got nothing on this one. The idea that no one can keep on paper at 100y is bonkers. Probably the same people who believe Slavshit are all 25MoA guns, instead of more like 3-4.
3. No poor (aka younger) people allowed
The rules make sense if the range is only for zeroing durr rifles. But the boomers only do that, once a year so who uses the range the rest of the year?
My guess is the bench thing is meant to contain people in one spot, so the RO has an easier job watching them.
Some of these ranges make me happy I have my somewhat shitty range.
fudd rso told me I could put oen more gun on my table and that was it (I had 6). since when is there a limit and your whole fricking job is to look at guns to make sure they're unloaded and sweep brass. it's too much to handle apparently
mfw when everyone complains about boomers but a zoomer asked for tax stamps
>local range is pretty fuddy
>has gradually become less fuddy
>fuddy old ass RO is finally retiring, but become friendly with him so i can do w/e the frick i want despite it being fudd range
>ex: 5 round limit in mags/no rapid fire
>gates close at 6
>"hey anon, imma leave the front gate chained but unlocked, whenever you're done for the night just lock it on your way out, have fun and do whatever you want as long as its safe!"
>setup a bunch of targets on 100 and 200 yd line and run a bunch of drills on the range in full gear, shit was cash
>new RO comes in
>young guy, maybe early 20's
>scrawny, unkempt hair, literal definition of a stick figure
>is also a FRICKING FUDD
>checking in one day and he starts babbling on
>"what ya shootin today"
>just my Shadow 2 and 22 AR
>"yeah im more of a fan of the good old days, ya know, when calibers started with 3 and 4 and guns were made right. none of this new stupid shit heheheh"
>yeah thats great bye
>roughly hour and a half later, just me and one other guy on pistol range
>shooting my suppressed 22 AR SBR
>comes over to the pistol line
>awkwardly stares at me for a good 5 minutes
>bro can i help you?
>"what caliber is that? you cant shoot rifles down here"
>...its a 22, if it was a 556 it would be pretty obvious
>"well, you got your stamp for that?"
>yup both of em
>"ok gonna need to see that"
>nope
>"huh?"
>i said no
>"well, im gonna have to see it"
>no, you dont, you wont see it, its never been a problem before ever, and you lack the authority
>"well uh you can leave then"
>for what, exactly? havent broken any rules
>"well no you have to obey the range officer"
>you're reaching well outside your authority, im gonna go back to shooting, and if you have a problem with it, you can bring it up with the board
Im finding a new fricking range
Nice way of handling it, anon. I probably would’ve just told him I didn’t need a tax stamp and to frick off lmao
You just know he's some wealthy boomer's autistic nephew who needed a job
>can I see your stamp?
>if you’re not a tax collector you can frick off
Also based shadow 2 shooter
I think I'm going to start carrying around books of stamps to throw all over in the off chance this happens to me.
homosexuals who ask for tax stamps are dumb as frick. like im going to carry my paperwork (that i absolutely, of course, have for every NFA item i know, ATF) around in my range bag?
You are required to do so though.
wanna cite something? because i don't think that's accurate
lmao right? I just bought a pistol and threw the receipt away. I have a blurry picture of part of it and that's it.
you are required to keep a copy of your stamp with your NFA items at all times anon. You can be arrested if you don't have at least a copy of the stamp in the case with your NFA items. Hell, if the cop really feels like a dick he can arrest you for not having the original stamp issued by the ATF
I don't understand, why would you lie on the internet?
It is though, not even that guy but I just looked up what SBR'ing something entails, and yeah, you have to take the form with the item, and there's safe storage requirements for both items together when you (or a member of the trust if that's the case) aren't there. gays in /arg/ like to talk about how SBR's aren't a big deal, it's just $200 bucks, but they can't even feel the bit and bridle that come with it past their full body gimp suits, shit is ridiculous. The storage requirements are asinine enough that you'd have to wear an SBR slung all the time to use it to defend your home, it's gotta be in a safe unless you're in the same room as it already. They worded the law like they unironically think the gun itself is dangerous and possesses agency.
people forget that the point of the NFA was to do a de-facto ban on NFA items, by imposing a shit ton of onerous requirements on the possession and use of NFA weapons. There's a reason why I have no interest in owning a SBR especially when bullpups exist.
>gun itself is dangerous and possesses agency.
But all guns are dangerous and possess agency.
NPR told me so.
>It is though, not even that guy but I just looked up what SBR'ing something entails, and yeah, you have to take the form with the item
No, you don't. Or rather maybe YOUR state has something extra, and it's generally considered a good idea, but the only ones legally who can request your stamp are ATF officers or the IRS, and it's fine if you say "I have it at home" and do. Private ranges may "demand" it, in the same way they can "demand" that everyone wear a bunny suit, it's private property so they can ask for whatever they want. But their only response is "well then you can't use our private property please leave".
>and there's safe storage requirements for both items together when you (or a member of the trust if that's the case) aren't there.
ONLY if there is someone else who isn't authorized but is allowed to be there is there anon (ie., someone breaking into your house doesn't count). That's actually the main reason for trusts for most people, so their wife can also use it and be home without any special storage (though come the frick on, has there EVER been any case on this in NFA history? ATF don't have psychic sensors).
So basically you're making much ado about nothing. The only possibly genuinely irritating thing with anything but suppressors is needing to file a form to take it across state lines. If you're a frickhueg state and never cross lines normally anyway even that doesn't matter. If you're in a super tiny one right on the border maybe it's a big deal. But suppressors are exempt from that and a lot of us just have cans not SBRs.
>but the only ones legally who can request your stamp are ATF officers or the IRS, and it's fine if you say "I have it at home" and do
No it is not legal to do, regardless of who you think can get you busted for it. You cannot just tell them, if you manage to run into them, that you left your stamp at home, even though they know damn well whether it's registered or not.
>ATF don't have psychic sensors
True, but fricking hilarious that you keep suggesting breaking federal laws *after* informing them that you're into this kind of stuff, instead of just trying to stay under the radar in total
>No it is not legal to do, regardless of who you think can get you busted for it
Yeah it is anon. Cite the law stating that you must have the stamp on you at all times. Go on. List the section of the US Code. We'll wait.
Back in reality, if you don't have the stamp worst case is that they'd take the NFA weapon and make you prove it was yours which could be a minor hassle. But of course it is in fact yours.
And I'm not suggesting breaking anything, I have my suppressors in a trust. It's easy and it doesn't cost anything extra or take extra time, plus makes inheritance if I kick the bucket a lot more straight forward. You're the one sperging out over these supposed big deal items and they're just not. Constructive possession is complex near impossible thing to prove in most cases too, the trust isn't even for that but so that other household members could grab a suppressed pistol or rifle in a hurry and USE it, which is about the only case where it might come up.
>The storage requirements are asinine enough that you'd have to wear an SBR slung all the time to use it to defend your home, it's gotta be in a safe unless you're in the same room as it already.
this is nonsense. Again, you're a nostamps that has no idea what you're talking about.
Lmao, do you think this is true?
> 26 U.S.C. § 5841(e)
>A person possessing a firearm registered as required by this section shall retain proof of registration which shall be made available to the Secretary upon request.
It does not say "immediately made available".
let me translate that from legalese to normal person: the Secretary (who is now the Attorney General) can *delegate* this authority to demand this proof, and does, in fact, delegate this authority to any and all Federal agents. Many local cops are also Special Deputy US Marshals, so they're legally Feds too and have the same secretarial authority to "request" proof. And that law does not state "within a reasonable time-frame" it's "request" which means they can request "immediately"
That's not a translation, that's you making up a worst case scenario to scare people. If real life was draconian as you wish it was, we'd all be in prison
the ATF, as a rogue and dangerous enforcement agency, has deigned that yes, you must have the paperwork with the gun. It's only barely enforceable in any way, but the fact is, NFA items are a moronic legal gamble that leaves you in a similar level of legal jeopardy as pistol braces, while informing the feds of your activities, and paying for the privilege of being cucked to boot.
>the ATF,
>has deigned that yes, you must have the paperwork with the gun
Afrikaans: Nee (nee-uh)
Arabic: لا or La (lah - “a” as in “yacht”)
Bengali: না or Nā (nah - “a” as in “yacht”)
Dutch: Nee (nay)
French: Non (noh)
German: Nein (nine)
Greek (modern): Όχι or óchi (oh-hee)
Hausa: A’a (ah-ah - “a” as in “yacht”)
Hindi: नहीं or Hahin (nah-heen - “a” as in “yacht”)
Italian: No (noh)
Japanese: いいえ or iie (ee-eh)
my personally owned NFA weapons are purely range toys that I do not use for fighting. My duty carbine is owned by employer and they don't require tax stamps if your employer is a government agency or a nuclear facility so long as the employer retains the title on the weapon. Granted it has *my* trigger in it and a ton of personally owned kit mounted, but the lower and the barrel is taxpayer owned.
That's the biggest fudd take I've seen all day. No, you are not required to keep your NFA paperwork and stamp with you while you're at the range. Yes, it is a good idea because in the unlikely event that an ATF agent requests to see your paperwork/stamp, you can show him right then and there and forego sending emails back and forth. If a local cop wants to see your NFA paperwork, you can show him if you want but you're under no obligation to because of the 4th amendment. Deberry v US says the the cops need to have more than a hunch that you're in possession of an illegal NFA item before they can compel you to show proof. You may get harassed but the local pigs cannot do fricking shit if you don't have your NFA paperwork. The feds might ask you to email them a copy, but they more than likely would have already called in your info and determined that you have your stamp before they left.
you are so fricking moronic lmao
peak "i googled my law degree and that's definitely a HIPPA violation!"
>original stamp
you nostamps morons don't even know that they just email eform approvals
>asking to see a tax stamp
I would ask them for an ATF badge
And if they can't pull out that then they can frick off
I drive 40min to my range, I am not bringing a legal document in my back pocket in addition to all the shit I already bring
like sure a stamp request is annoying even if a private property owner can ask for whatever they want but
>I am not bringing a legal document in my back pocket in addition to all the shit I already bring
jesus anon have you never heard of the advanced 1940s technology of "photocopying"? you never let your actual stamp leave your firesafe or wherever you keep important papers, but making a few photocopies and folding 'em up isn't hard
>Implying a boomer RO is going to accept a photocopy of a legal document
Hey this is obviously counterfeit! I'm calling the law!
the one range i know of around here that wants stamps literally states in the rules photocopies only they dont want anyone bringing in the actual document due to risk so it varies. they are still boomers for asking at all but they aint that crazy.
>be me years ago
>be poor
>mosin nagant only operator
>shot thousands through it, it shoot boolet good
>go to range
>bring nugget out and load up
>standard spaced shots
>get bored, decide trying 5 targets 5 shots
>Fire in relatively quick but controlled fashion
>Fudd PO comes around with a sloppy joe and freaks out
>hurr durr too fast, you need 2 space ur shots
>explain it was completely safe and the range has no one else in it
>NO! YOU CANNOT SHOOT QUICK WITH A SEMI AUTO RIFLE!
>walked to my bench
>there she is, in all its beauty the semi auto mosin nagant rifle!
Packed my shit and left, turns out range closed down to the surprise of absolutely no one.
Coasties suck, guess trips to the woods for me.
How many balisongs do you need? What are they all for? Only a man with a balisong ass insertion fascination would a plethora of balisongs.
NTA but once you get into balisongs it becomes easy to have a few. Compared to guns it's pretty cheap, kind of.
>all those meme knives
for what possible purpose
Oh shit. Good thing I saw your post. I was a this awful indoor range with my mosin. Had recently polished my bolt. Really smooth. Was able to fire off 5 rounds in under 4 seconds. RO comes in yelling who fired full auto? Its just me and a dude with a revolver. He looks at us both. Leaves.
>~1 rnd/second
>FULL AUTO
lol ffs.Though guess a lot of fudd ros must all be deafened and slow so maybe it all blurs together.
I thought you guys said texas was based but it has like zero public land to shoot on and from this thread it sounds like the ranges are all fricking aids.
Pretty much this. Texas is great for buying and owning guns but unless you own at least 10 acres of land to shoot on you're stuck with shitty indoor ranges or high priced gun clubs.
tfw you dont live in the country and just shoot on your 1 acre, also having a neighbor who lets you shoot on his 19 acres.
It is absolutely a wealthy man's state. Do not move here unless you make damn good salary and expect to be able to spend $100-200k for 5-10 acres of dogshit land unfit for more than a single head of cattle.
Arkansas and Oklahoma PoorChads keep winning
Is Braums from Oklahoma?
Sure is.
Why the Tabuk?
Lived/living in both those states. Have literally never seen an RO in my life. Thought they were a myth or some /k/ meme
To be fair, these are nutexan socialist homosexuals that can't be bothered to live anywhere but a big city libtard shit hole. You'll notice though, none of them live in or near the largest city in Texas. The oil one.
> Calls other nuTexan
> Recommends fricking Houston of all places
So not only are you telling him to move where ranges suck, but he gets constant swamp ass, more traffic than the state capital, and zero drainage to boot.
What's next, anon? Going to tell him to come live with you in The Woodlands?
All it takes is one incident to shut a range down, imagine the general public, now give them guns and set them loose at a public range to do whatever they want, and people wonder why ranges require references or have approval boards.
I feel bad for people who only have public ranges.
>ranges require references or have approval boards.
I don't mind approval boards or an RO verifying I'm not going to shoot myself or someone else. I do get annoyed when they turn into a shooting club house with a limited number of slots that open at 2-20k a piece. Yes, lets make sure there's nothing but custom 2011s in sight and the young guy out there remembers when McDonalds had ash trays at every table.
This is a "Grass is greener" situation. It's just as shitty on the Private only side of the fence. I'm lucky to be a member of a club because all the clubs near me are closed to new members, taking at most 3 per year with only 2 of those clubs being affordable fees, the rest being "buy your way in". This means I'm stuck only using my club which is an hour away and thus a special occassion activity. There's also no public land anywhere within 3 hours drive so it's private or nothing.
the only outdoor range here is unmanned and gets robbed every so often. hesitant to go there without a friend watching my back
yeesh, be careful fren
i try to be, they only ever seem to hit the 25 yard section though so maybe ill just stick to the rifle end
Seems really ballsy to rob people who are armed and in a position to fire relatively quickly
No him, but probably a quick grab and run. Leave before they notice.
Reminds me of appalachicola lmao. Every time I went out there I never left without having my rifle slung the entire time I was loading out and driving off. People would just sit and wait for you to run completely dry then rob you.
My local range is like that, could be the same one since it gets posted on /k/ sometimes. I love it, everyone who shoots there is a poor moron with terrible shooting skills but at least I can do whatever I want. People I know freak out when they find out I shoot there
>Be RSO part time in college.
>Don't care what people are doing or what they are shooting as long as no one is in danger and nothing is getting damaged.
>Talk a lot so people let me shoot their guns and leave them alone
>Pick up loose rounds people forget to pick up.
It not that hard, it's not like you get paid a lot for the job I don't understand why others get such a hard on for fricking with people.
If I where to open a range, what would make it "/k/" approved?
>what would make it "/k/" approved?
autism
no rules
>autism
>no rules
Contradictory
No rules is THE rule!
i was saving an empty 20 round 5.56 ammo box by putting it in my bag so i could unload a loaded magazine into it and not just throw the rounds in a sandwich baggie at my house but the RSO said i wasnt allowed to do that and had to throw it away
Just keep your magazines loaded.
i keep a mag i kept loaded with green tips to keep in my rifle for self defense at home but i had ordered hollow points i wanted to use instead
wtf, why? Are they running some weirdo side hustle on trash?
i have no fricking clue, i wouldve argued and just walked out with it anyway but i really didnt feel like fighting over an empty little piece of cardboard
Sounds like a scummy operation where they put reloads/cheaper brands in old higher quality boxes. I have no proof other than the very distinct cat piss smell of shit ammo but I've been to a place I suspected it was happening.
The ammonia smell is relatively common in some commercially produced 5.56 ammo, no powder sold for reloading smells like that.
Then I'm a paranoid nutter I guess. Either way frick you.
We had a wounding from ricochet during a rehearsal because they used soft iron plates for close range rifle shooting
How the frick would a rifle round ricochet off soft steel?
Depends on how close the steel was I guess.
deforms it, creates weird impact angles. bullets can bounce off water, so it's not inconceivable they ricochet off of soft steel.
>be me
>have a 9mm 1911 i bought as a range toy
>use it at the range
>boomer RSO comes up and sees the box of 9mm, tells me im loading the wrong caliber in a 1911
>tell the boomer RSO its a 9mm pistol, show him that the 9mm bullets fit perfectly in the magazine because its a 9mm magazine
>boomer RSO says im wrong and is trying to tell me its a 45 caliber gun while im showing him it says 9mm luger on the barrel
>he walks off seemingly frustrated
why are boomers like this
Lol imagine if it was a .22. His head would probably explode.
Dunning-Kruger.
>9mm 1911
please call it a browning hi-power, i beg of you
The Hi-power is a moderately different gun inside. Double-stack mags, new barrel cam instead of a pure swinging link, bunch of other minor changes to the mechanism. Could be any one of the single-stack straight-up conversions of a 1911 to 9mm, like the ones Star did. Hell, a bunch of standard 1911s got converted to 9mm outright because they cycled cheap, reliable blanks and the .45 didn't. Got used a LOT in movies until cheaper blanks popped up. It's something of a hobby on IMFDB to go looking for 9mm conversions or foreign builds doubling as 1911s in film.
I'd expect a random range fudd to recognize a Hi-power or a CZ as "not a 1911". But not a gun that looks the same and is ~20% smaller.
neat, i didn't know that. thank pal.
the Hi-power is an upgrade to the 1911 in literally every way but the TEW WURLD WERS boomies just won't die.
Never said it wasn't. What I said was that the Hi-Power is both visually and (to a degree) mechanically distinct from a 9mm 1911. And that 9mm 1911s exist in the wild.
>Struggle to find a good range
>find an outdoor one 30 minutes away in nowhere town
>allows everything except full auto and .50 bmg (heard he's made exceptions)
>steel case is A-OK
>18 rifle stations
>25-100 yards
>some go up to 500 yards
>even has a 700 yard station
>plenty of target posts and steel targets to ding
>about the same amount of lanes at the pistol range, plenty of room
>had no shotgun range
>owner let me blast a plastic jug behind the office anyway
>encouraged slamfire
>most based range I ever been to
Came back while on leave during the holidays and he's almost done putting in the shotgun range, might add skeet. Fricking sucks he's only opened on weekends. It's just the owner and 1 RO. All the other ranges in my area are restricted as hell and indoors.
Noice, sounds kinda like my range.
>25 and 15 yard pistol bays
>100 and 200 yard rifle bays
>500 yard rifle range for members
>Clay throwers
>Even has a sporting clays course
Love firing my battle rifles at steel as fast as I can. Only downside is getting there without a pickup or SUV is a bit rough.
I once frequented Guardian Training Center, until they fricked up the serial number on a .22 levergat transfer and held onto it for 2 months. Also the owner is a manlet, bootlicker, and doxxes people who leave bad reviews. I have not gone there in years. Also, that green-bearded frick can go jerk off his wife's boyfriend.
Is that the Philly homosexual we had a whole meme war insurgency against last year?
I was not involved in whatever memetic jihad was waged last year agains these infidels but I just looked them up and the shoe seems to fit
Dude put out this video and expected people would applaud his psychotic buttholery. he had to nuke 90% of the comments after being called (correctly) every kind of the moron there is and a few new ones
I bet they just didn't want that lolcow in their range. If a guy can't even handle his pants I don't want to be shooting next to him. Putting it online when the guy never did anything really serious is petty though.
>be me
>18
>think I want to probably get into guns
>from Massachusetts, can't do that
>go to gun range in New Hampshire, ask to rent a gun
>Are you thinking about buying it?
>Maybe, I want to try a few out I think
>Are you feeling alright son? Can I call someone?
he thought i was a suicide risk because i was just a lone 18 year old white dude who wanted to shoot some guns. refused to rent to me.
busy, busy range, probably 30 dudes in there eyeballing this going down
Joke's on him though
Sucks that a few idiots have to ruin it for everyone.
I probably know the range you're referring to mbutthole anon. If you bring any gun, you can shoot alone if nofriends and rent a gun.
I actually brought a maverick 88 with me
To be honest, I'm on PrepHole and look it, and that's probably most of what it was
Anon if you want to be an autistic weirdo that's fine but you need to have an outwardly normal appearance otherwise shit like this happens. Get a haircut, wear some normal clothes, shower regularly, be able to do small talk and you can convince people you're normal long enough to get by.
>I'm on PrepHole and look it,
No one has an excuse to look like they're mentally ill. Understand being contrarian is wiggerish then stop it, forever, because doing so is to your advantage.
I'm so fricking glad I'm leaving this state. Rent around my area is going up to 1500 for a 1 bed.
Manchester Firing Line. Its meh, but they got full autos you can rent. The reason they are like that is because some homosexual blew his brains out there once. Or a murder? I cant remember. I shoot outside.
Where tf in NH can you shoot outside?
Assume I don't know any landowners
>Assume I don't know any landowners
You need to be a landowner or have some level of social skills or a hunter to shoot outside in new england. Or else find some of the chill outdoor ranges. Sorry anon. Federal government never had a chance to buy up all our land here.
I thought it was like that pretty much everywhere east of the Mississippi, and for at least a few hundred miles west of it too
White Mountain National Forest. I have a family farm nearby, I hope you'll be polite about it like most NH/VT gun bros are but also hope you'll take advantage.
>I thought it was like that pretty much everywhere east of the Mississippi, and for at least a few hundred miles west of it too
Not entirely, you're thinking BLM land (and a few other nonapplicable to here users like DOD) which is indeed almost exclusively in the West. However, there is a fair amount of National Forest land in the east, and while it's more restrictive (you need to check each individual location) target shooting is allowed on a lot of it:
>https://www.fs.usda.gov/visit/know-before-you-go/shooting
and honestly most of the rules are very reasonable, particularly in the East where basically everything is going to be forest not desert and the risk of fire from incendiary or steel core is plenty reasonable to worry about.
There still isn't much compared to the west but it's not zero. And per above anon, target shooting is in fact allowed in the White Mountain National Forest:
>https://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/whitemountain/home/?cid=FSEPRD945657#target-shoot
Don't be an butthole about it. If you want to go above and beyond you can do stuff like use frangible (or zinc) ammo, which I think actually could be reasonable rule but isn't required.
>go to my range
>new range officer
>fat
>old
>dick head flat top haircut
>looks like a twat but whatever, looks can be deceiving
>go up to my stall
>start opening cases
>take out my sks
>the guy walks right up behind me
>points at the bayonet and screams
>"CAN'T HAVE THAT ON YOUR GUN!"
>just look at him for a few seconds, baffled
>"What the frick are you talking about?"
>dude's face is getting red
>"BAY-O-NETS ARE ILLEGAL TO HAVE ON YOUR GUN!"
>I laugh and tell him they most certainly are not
>he tells me to get off the range
>I tell him I paid for a two hour slot and I'm using it
>he starts to go for my case and rifle
>I shove him out of the way with my shoulder
>he gets even more huffy
>other people are starting to look
>owner comes in and asks wtf is going on
>RO points at my rifle and yells that I can't have a bayonet on it
>owner makes a face like he just had a grand mal seizure
>takes the old fudd off the range
>hear them yelling at each other
>never see him again
Weirdest range experience of my life.
>sit down at range bench
>shoot one round out of my Sako trg 22
>shoot another one 10 seconds later
>shoot another maybe 15 seconds after that
>fat old fricker comes waddling over
>says he is the range officer
>"youre gonna burn the barrel out on the rifle shooting that quick kid"
>just give him the yah ok nod
>he says "I should know I was a swat sniper!"
Fat fricker hovers over me the entire hour I was there constantly trying to give me his sage advice.
you should have bafflegabbed him with a long song about how you need to keep your barrel at the exact optimal temperature to maximize accuracy by shooting at precise intervals as everyone knows cold barrels are a liability and etc
>be me c. 2004 undisclosed Eastern Seaboard region
>Go shooting with some swatbros
>Go to semi public range
>Its free but you need a trail pass hence semi public
>We bring Pibbskis, a Boombox, some food, and a lot of guns
>GunsalotofgunsNeo.wav
>Like a couple G36ks, a few 6933s, a few MP5s, several 22s, several bolt actions, a Benelli shotgun, and a popo UZI that is about to get traded in/decommissioned. Plus whatever pistols people brought. Mostly Sigs.
>Plus like two huge boxes of ammo to burn
>Good times.flv
>30 minutes go by
>Some dude in a pick up truck pulls up and he gets out with a lever gun
>He goes over to other "bay" while we reload and starts shooting
>Um sure fine whatever
>We go back and do a mad minute with rifles and I then start dumping with israelitezi.
>Dude runs over at us and starts screaming "thats illegal!!" and asks if we have permits
>We all say "No not needed"
>Dude unironically takes out pen and paper and demands our names. Then races at a literal trot over to write tag numbers.
>Dude is like fortysomething and dumpy
>Sees government plates on ond of the Tahoes
>Audibly shouts "Nevermind sorry"
>Leaves
>We go back to shooting
>About to leave
>"Whose lever action?"
>"Not mine"
>Doofus left it
>Run it
>Nothing
>No way to find guy then
>Take it. Give to State Police. Run trace. State Investigator goes to last known owner. Guy says he sold it to dude a while back. Investigator tracks down dude. "hey you forgot your gun"
>Dude was reportedly acting weird
>Turns out he had a felony beef for DUI Manslaughter and was still on probation
>Awwwkwaaaarrrd
Moral of the story. Mind your own fricking business and dont leave guns
>Go shooting with some swatbros
Thanks for the story glowie it was entertaining.
Frick the cops
HAHA my sides
>Dad and I show up to the range ready to shoot some hot newly made 45 long colt reloads
>Range officer boomer fudd shooting at the only 7 yard target
>We set up at the 10 yard range and set up
>call a seize fire and get our targets set
>Dad loads his cylinder
>Range officer comes over "oh is that a Uberti in 45 colt?"
>Dad being polite offers to let him shoot it
>We walk over to the 7 yard range
>Dad hands revolver to range officer
>Range officer faces the target and immediately wieners the hammer back in a low ready
>BANG!
>Range moron NDs into the ground 4 feet in front of his own feet
>Looks back bright red and fires another round on target
>"wow that must have a 1 lb trigger!"
>Me: "keep your finger off the trigger until ready to fire"
>Take revolver back
>Dad and I head back to our targets and have a great time not being interrupted by the range moron again
None since I don't go to a indoor range like a gay
Feels good to have a comfy range.
>ROs are old dudes but they're chill as frick
>they tell us stories of the insane shit they did when they were young
>shit like trick shooting a cigarette out of a friends mouth and apples off their head
>they only thing they get upset about are genuine gun-moron jackasses who can't handle basic etiquette
my range used to be god tier, paid the old man the $90 a year, gave me a key to the gate, go in and lock up, no written rules and shit
but then he passed away 2 years ago and some homosexual cop got drunk at the range at night, was shooting something it richotet off some pole and he domed himself, at least that's what i was told
So now its a Black person gun club with a set of rules, they lock the gate, it's $150 a year now, have to pay for their targets, the RO's aren't too bad, but i hate that i can't shoot cans or water bottles and shit anymore, can't shoot across lanes either even if you're alone
>Recently I've seen one that would let you leave, with your firearm in the case, while the range was hot because "no firearm away from the beach for any reason".
a rule's a rule, just follow it
Bro, where do you store rifle #2 or #3 when shooting #1. Demand he just keep them on the shooting bench?
Odds are good there's a vertical rifle rack behind the firing line, but they don't care when you break THAT rule. Sometimes it's about safety, and sometimes it's about a seratonin drop when you get to tell people what to do.
Lay it on the ground next to you, your sperg lmao. Don’t you have them in cases or socks?
>a rule's a rule
jesus christ you're too fricking moronic to own firearms.
Yeah bro firearm safety is just a meme only smart people ignore it
you're a bug
yeah only bugs follow basic safety procedures, you're a real man
There's one here where you aren't allowed to use any type of scope or red dot because they say there is no legal reason for you to need one.
You're also only allowed to shoot 6.5x55m for the same reason they ban scopes.
Very strange.
No it makes perfect sense. They only want a specific type of shooting and thus make rules to exclude everything else
This goes beyond just wanting a specific type of shooting there.
They will see you as a suspicious criminal.
name?
>What are some of the worst range officer fudds you've encountered?
I used to belong to a club with an indoor range where the chief range warden would not allow you to load mags in the waiting area but insisted that all mags were only loaded on the firing points. This achieved nothing except slowing the squads
I live in the king of fudds state of PA and never had to deal with any shitty officers. All the ones I’ve seen just liked to chat with whoever was there and brush casings with the broom every few minutes. Then again I always do my homework on ranges before going and try to go at times where realistically few would be there.
>show up in my blacc blocc swag
>conservaturd RO gets steamed and throws me out
But hey I guess snowflakes on YOUR side are fine, right? Bunch of pissbabies.
>Pretend to be hardcore freedumb fighter 4 da commies
>Normal guy sees what is an unlabeled terrorist and rightfully kicks him out for being a walking timebomb.
Sounds like a you problem moron.
I bet those French aristos were saying exactly that before the peasantchads brought out the guillotine.
*Starves to death*
Except the guillotine was a move by the bourgeoise, and not the peasantry
You're smoking crack if you think those executions were carried out through force of numbers by the sans-coulette. The sans-coulette also got up to all sorts of murderous hijinks out in the countrybside where buttholes like Carrier could get away with more, like mass drownings of relegious folks or burning families alive in their barn for suspected holding out of food.
>Supports businesses when they censor and ban conservatives
>gets ass blasted when it happens to him
Go fricking starve you dumb commie. I hope your neighbor red flags you.
Post wrist
I wish he had shot and killed you homosexual
>wearing political imagery of any kind
passive aggressive and tacky
not effay
Got a ding on my membership for speeding
My range has a large drive way that they recently renovated from dirt to pavement.
They decided to change the speed limit from 15 to 10 as well. I was doing 20.
RSO loses his shit at me. He's the kinda douche that acted like a wannabe cop but could never qualify.
I apologize and another guy comes over and trys to talk him down from his tirade as well. After the RSO leaves the other guy that was defending me let me know that this guy has been doing this all day.
>go to one of the state managed ranges because buddies won't drive more than 30 minutes from their hot pocket lair
>It's an outdoor gravel pit with berm walls 18 feet high
>Check the rules and it's your fudds wet dream
>Boils down to no fun allowed and no practicing practical skills
>Rifle range is only 26 yards
>Pistol range is like 20 feet
>Wtf.png
>Try to set up my AK on the rack as instructed and the fat old boomer begins having a conniption wailing about needing the bolt held open
>It's an AK my guy, it doesn't have bolt hold open, I can throw a spent cartridge in there to stop it from closing
>Nup, gotta bolt hold open
>Proceeds to ride my ass and holler at me for everything til I leave
I can't wait to move to a state with free open land.
he's a serbian
zastava ak only.
EESL eurogay noguns here. What's with americans and cop wannabes? mall cops, range officers... it's not like getting a job as a cop in the US is that hard so what's their god damn deal?
They wanted the authority and privileges that came with the shiny badge. The allure of power to abuse gave them a boner and when they get filtered out for any number of reasons they get assmad and keep going through positions of slowly diminishing importance and then whatever place they end up be it mall security or some range janny they grip and strangle their power until someone removed them which is usually not too long provided they aren't rich.
I didn't mean ex-cops I meant people who never even tried to be cops.
Alexander Pope wrote of the enourmous smallness of a headmaster, and that is what is at play here. You are seeing the difference between a man who inspires people to follow them, and those who must command it.
Christ, I used to complain that my only range was too far away, but after reading all of this, I guess I'll shut up.
When the RSO tries to call some bullshit on you, just do what I do - demand to see it in the rules. Your payment for use of the range is consideration of contract. The RSO has to follow the rules just like you do.
like many people have said before me, these stories make my meh range seem like gold. Though I wish I could have some of my own land to shoot on without people bugging me about every little thing
The big fat fudd at the Nassau County range in Roosevelt Field on Long Island badly tried to hit on my wife, half way through a meatball sub from Mama Theresa's he was eating on the counter when we came in. Real fricking ogre shit.
Also, the people at that place Colosseum Guns down the road, those guys are some of the saltiest old bastards I've run into. One of those hicks literally gave me the 'buy a shotgun and you won't have to aim' line. Frickin' wild.
Technically you don't have to aim tho
noguns here. find it terribly ironic that so mant ranges enjoyng the freedom of the 2nd amendment have such a hardon for being controlfreaks. it really dampens my enthusasism for guns if the only way i can enjoy them is to be a bootlicker.
A lot of the stupider rules (slow fire, autistic muzzle control, weird transportation needs, not using holstered weapons, buddy/endorsement requirements) are because of the insurance underwriter and not the owner of the range. One of the biggest underwriters is, surprise surprise, the NRA. Who have a set of "this makes us look good" rules that go with the insurance.
Some other rules make good sense - I live within driving range of one of the biggest Army bases on the planet. Every indoor range out here either requires you to buy ammo if you're shooting an issue caliber or bans them outright, because they don't want some dipshit dogface bringing in AP rounds and blowing through the backstop, or popping off half a dozen tracers they swiped from the armory. Places with automatic lead-clearing systems often ban shotguns because both steel shot and shot cups can frick up the mechanisms. I'll work with a range that's acting in good faith and has reasonable grounds for making a rule. Not so much with an idiot RO who's high on authoritah.
You might want to be sitting down for this, but guns are very dangerous, and if you let stupid people do stupid things with them somebody is going to die.
Nearly every rule at every range exists because the range had to deal with a windowlicker doing something incredibly stupid and putting other people in danger.
>Nearly every rule at every range exists because the range had to deal with a windowlicker doing something incredibly stupid and putting other people in danger.
Yes, unfortunately a lot of the rules are written in blood. At comfier private ranges though one often finds there is some give in the rules if you put in the time. The rules are rock hard for anyone who is newguns or new to the range, but as time goes on and you demonstrate you're not a moron it'll get more relaxed. I think that's the big difference in range quality, whether it's just about RESPECT MUH AUTHORITEE with little tinpot napoleans who will always be like that no matter what, or good guys who are ROs but take their responsibility seriously and know that any stranger represents a potential serious incident. At the latter everyone ultimately wants to have a good time, get better and have fun safely, it's just early on they need to know what they're dealing with.
I know of a couple ranges that if you hire a gun from them it gets locked in a restraint like picrel because some morons offed themselves at the range.
I never thought of it before, but it just struck me how stupid and selfish and fricked up it is to rent lane at a range to have a nice day with a range gun. And, yeah, killing yourself is selfish as it is, but this is on another level. Some suicidal people feel bad to the point where before they shoot themselves they put their head in a bag and lay on some plastic to try to make it easy on whoever has to clean it up. But this moron, instead of just buying a gun for maybe $200 that he's never going to need again after he offs himself anyway, he decides he's gonna save $150 and in the process
>Frick up the range's business
>Endanger everyone else on the range at that time
>psychologically frick up everyone else on the range
>Make the range shut down and hire cleaners to clean the place up
>Make the range possibly even face time in court and lose money in legal fees
>frick up the range's insurance premiums possibly forever
>yank on the already rapidly tightening noose of gun control that's around the entire gun community's neck
Oh but at least he's sticking to his budget. Good job, homosexual.
Yep, even in suicide there are dramatic differences in some people being polite to the end (and at least leaving people with "darn that was a nice guy too bad") vs selfish buttholes.
Humble proposal: law stating that if someone commits suicide at a range with a rented gun, the range has complete legal immunity and additionally should it wish after the authorities arrive and certify it was a suicide the range may then immediately string up the body down range and use it for target practice to settle arguments about which EDC load works better.
Back when I was a fedboy in NJ I investigated threats/assaults involving the agency’s employees. One Saturday I get a call about a former fedboy colleague who went to the my local indoor range, rented a handgun as part of a basic pistol class. Watching the video, the guy waited until the instructor was a few lanes down and lights out. This being NJ, you wait forever to buy a gun with the FOID and purchase permits so it’s not like he’s get denied if he applied. I guess it was a time sensitive decision.
I don’t think the range should have any liability, in this case there was even close supervision. Those bracket things seem super gay.
Correction: He went “my” local range, a precious commodity in NNJ.After the fact, there was no political grandstanding or real fallout.
Range I shot at in Ohio had a pretty strict “if this is your first time shooting here you cannot rent a gun unless your with a friend” which I think is a pretty common sense way to prevent that honestly.. if you brought your own gun in you could shoot alone, it was only if you were a new guy there and trying to rent theirs..
My friend was at Red’s in Austin about 2 years ago and the dude in the lane next to him offed himself while my friend was standing right there. He saw Red pull up and he said Red was furious. Pretty shitty thing to do, but Red’s is also gay and moronic.
Most people are idiots including everyone who doesn't understand most people are idiots, so live where you can afford land (move if needed) in a properly affordable red state and enjoy yourself.
Land is much more important than firearms and the sooner you pay off your (wisely chosen, affordable) property the closer you are to retiring on it.
Never actually got kicked out but a range I went to said that you couldn't have a trigger that pulled less than 4 pounds.
>Be FFL
>Get fancy new SOT to protect dogs and make funs
>So much paperwork....
>So much damn paperwork
>find post sample lower on a no law letter sale
>Happy noises
>Gather the bros for fun times at smallest range in area(25 yards, steel pistol pit)
>RO is a boomer, but loves when we all come out. "It's always a party and everyone smiles"
>Have a good time shooting MG's all day
>Pack up, pick up rare brass, leave.
vs
>go to a range that has a waiting list to get in
>Have all needed "ratings" to shoot onna long range(Have to take qualifying tests etc, but it's a super nice range so I ignore the mild inconvenience)
>Get set up, get ready to take shots
>"Sir, we have a group of police that need to train today, you'll need to reschedule"
>I scheduled this slot 6 months ago
>officer raybans mcgee "Do you not support law enforcement?"
>mfw
>Turn to RSO
>"Your rules state all long range bays must be scheduled and are first come first serve, no exceptions."
>RSO closes eyes, inhales deeply "Sir he's correct, traditionally, we ask that a department call ahead at least 3 days prior to booking so we can notify people who have rented the range prior"
>"Officer" gets uppity, "Well i guess I can use the 500 yard range then"
>*lightbulb moment*
>Sir, which precinct do you work for?
>Oh uhhhhh, I work in big town x
>Which precinct in town x?
>RSO wieners head slightly, asks for police ID
>Produces security ID for local rent a cop provider....
>Officer raybans mcgee maintains 100% poker face "I've been a member of the force for 12 years"
>"OMG he's serious"
>RSO escorts them to the 500 yard line
>Looks at me before he leaves area "I'll extend your time, sorry for the inconvenience"
>Shooting at indoor range
>Rented one lane to share with me and my buddy since it was too busy for two sperate lanes
>Shitton of guns so have some mags/guns on my range bag on the floor, with what little I can fit on the cramped table on the lane
>An hour passes, range is near closing time only like 2 other people left in the 20 lane range
>Decide to reload my mags on the empty lane next to ours since my buddy was shooting and I din't want to bother him
>RSO starts banging on the fricking glass behind me
>Tells me I can't be on that lane because I paid for only one
Wasn't even planning to shoot there or anything, what a fricking dickwad. Next time it happens I'll just pretend I didn't understand him.
RSO at my local range had a habit of coming up behind people and snatching their guns out of their hands if he felt they were doing something wrong. He stopped after he tried to do that to an off-duty HRT officer and got shot twice.
Should’ve happened earlier.
I need an explanation. Are you implying that he got killed to death? What exactly went down, did the hormone replacement therapy guy think he was being attacked?
>Are you implying that he got killed to death?
41% chance he did, eventually.
>think he was being attacked?
Nah, he just thought the rso was frantic because he really really wanted to transition, so he gave him two shots.
He lived but offed himself before trial. Guy tried to yank a gun away from a federal agent and got put down hard by someone who actually kicks doors.
Luckily I've never gotten a real Fudd RSO issue. There was one time where an obese neckbeard of an RSO came up to me and my brother, who frequent the range often, and asked if we wouldn't be better off getting a membership since we're there a lot. I said I was thinking about it, but my wife was about to have our second kid so I was going to wait until I wasn't so busy, since my range time would be limited for a while. I guess something about mentioning a wife or kids or both triggered the fat guy, because he immediately went to talk to my bro instead, about how I'm dumb and ugly and stuff. It was really odd
>be diabetic
>wear a white sensor on my arm
>old RO keeps asking me to scan and show him my glucose levels
>goes on about how his wife is a diabetic
>he tries scanning it with his phone when I told him no
>5.3 A1C
>perfect levels
>PrepHole
>knows body signs and can judge rough levels without testing
>Carries backup unit to check with blood just incase
AH YES MY OVERWEIGHT WIFE HAS DIABETES AND ITS VERY DANGEROUS, YOU SHOULDNT HANDLE A FIREARM INCASE YOU HAVE A HYPO
Not the worst, but illustrative of what they deal with
> shooting at the nearby fudd range
> Lanes, no holster work, but at least no lame 1 shot per second rule
> Exception made for giant sign that says "NO DOUBLE TAPS, controlled pairs only"
> Shooting next to The Biggest Fricking Mexican I've Ever Seen™, firing his Mare's Leg in .357, in a neon pink body builder tank top, jorts, and boat shoes. Yes, this man is the exactly who you are picturing.
> 6'6" 350lbs chonky dude comes in
> Buzzcut hair, so greasy he has pit stains down the back of his shorts from the walk in
> Sets up next to me and unpacks a Staccato P plus like 5 MBX mags
> Me and Han Swolo: The Cholo are 'mirin
> "Nice pistol," I say.
> He turns to look at me, but doesn't say anything. He just stares past me, past Eddie Guerrero behind me, past infinity, to whatever demons haunt his waking hours
> After hanging his target next cold range, he immediately begins tossing out hammer pairs
> Sometimes he's on target, sometimes he's at the top of his paper, and sometimes he's impacting the wooden crossbeam that holds the target hangers
> I try and warn him. "Hey man, they're gonna kick you out."
> Again he turns to me, mouth slighty agape, and says nothing
> At this point the RO, who looks like Walther Brimley with a gun on his hip, comes over and politely informs Double Tap bro that he needs to keep his rounds on paper or leave
> DT bro says nothing
> Brimley begins to walk back to his post when DT bro fires another hammer pair
> RO spins round, hand on his OWB pistol, and all the rage of his seeing The 'Beetus in the wild. He starts yelling that DT bro needs to GTFO immediately
> DT bro slams a loaded 2011 down on the table and begins packing up all his stuff, and ends up escorted out by 2 ROs. Never says a word
> Han Swolo and I exchange the look that says we're relieved we didn't die in a crossfire that day
>> Again he turns to me, mouth slighty agape, and says nothing
did this motherfricker turn to you with that "mystery of the druids" face or what
>in the olympic mountains
>do whatever I want because BLM land
>get mauled by a mountain lion
True Story
>Texas range, home on the range, deer antelope, etc.
>Bring my MAS 36, Schmidt Rubin just to see how well they group with stock irons
>Pull up, pay fee to old jerk in his mobile home/office. He's a known crook who over charges silly amounts.
>Normally his wife is the RO. She got cancer and stopped.
>Appoints meth addict son RO. He passed bunch of rules.
>No FMJ. No more than 3 rounds in magazine. No rapid fire (undefined), your brass is ours.
>business dying.
>Meth RO got into yelling match with customer over "too many mags" bro.
>RO removed his punisher skull T-shirt, stomps around, punches ground, growls.
>Kinda hoped he would have gotten shot that day.
>RO arrested for meth after beating his wife. No more guns for life for him.
>two months pass.
>range day
> ammo shortage
>Bring 20 rounds reloaded 9mm aluminium, just to fire and inspect.
>New RO is long bearded skinny angry looking guy with canvas vest covered in fricking patches. Looks like boy scout troop leader. WTF.
>Bullhorn comes out, literally calls out : "Cease fire, Cease fire, Line is cold, Post Targets, Check Targets, take a piss, wash your hands, eat a sammich."
> half the fricking line literally goes to pee.
> 5 minutes.
> "Last call for targets. Line Ready. Finish your sammich. Line's hot. Line is hot. Ready. Aim. Fire."
> Open fire. Jam.
>RO comes over.
>picks up case. Asks if I reloaded the aluminium.
>yeah.
>Gives advice on recycling it instead.
>Guy two tables down and his clearly immigrant wife are shooting what look like Armscor 1911s. She knows what she's doing.
> Husband insists she try "the new gun he got her".
>pink snubnose.
>Next round of cease fire, RO leaves, returns with box.
>Line's hot.
>he walks over, opens the box, asks if they want to try a different revolver.
> Nickel plated, ivory grip Colt SAA (probably a clone, but still really fricking pretty).
>They have a blast.
>RO waves me over.
>I get to handle it.
> NOT A CLONE.
> I get to shoot it.
So one RO was okay.
based, always nice to have some cool RO stories too.
>ammo drought
>bought a box of green tips just to have ammo for my new AR
>local outdoor range says no FMJ in rifles, definitely no green tips
FRICK
>go to the range with just a few pistols
>there's a line
>guy at the counter is asking people to show the ammo
GOD DAMMIT
>realize he's not using a magnet, just seeing the ammo.
>on my way back pick up one 25 fricking dollar box of soft point hunting 556 from bass pro, the only shit they had left
>analyze the round
>its exactly the same only with a gray exposed lead tip
>grab my miniature paints
>dip the green tips in some gray mixed with a little black
>comes out almost identical
And thats how my range started using magnets
devilish
bum
>be me
>recently moved to very small town in WI
>go to IL to partake in RIA with pops and pops pop
>win lot for pristine Springfield 1903 national match grade
>transfer back to store in WI that I’ve never been to but know existed
>transfer goes fine, takes sometime because new resident of the state but that’s cool
>picking up new raifu at store
>very small town, residents are all overly friendly and talkative because there’s like 500 people total
>RO (who is also counter guy) is a bro and we chat about things while waiting on paperwork to be finished
>acquire rifle
>”hey anon, you should checkout our range, I’ll waive the fee since it’s your time here”
>skeptical because building is small and is a 30-06 but hey it’s free and homie is coolguy
>”uhh sure rangedude, let’s see it”
>walks me around corner
>range is literally 7’ with projected targets on a screen
Think the “overhead projector” teachers used in school
>”you can make the targets smaller to simulate distance!”
>can’t back out now, we’re already here
>”uhhmm okay rangebro you might want to double up earpro, gunna be loud
>”hah I’m pretty much deaf anyway, go for it!”
>lolsure.mp3
>load, shoulder, fire
>EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.png
>ears ring even through double earpro because smol room
>look at RO
>his hands are covering his ears, muffs thrown aside
>eyes tightly shut and face contorted in pain
>he’s saying something but neither of our ears function properly any longer
>”haha okay, see ya later rangebro, thanks for the transfer…”
Overall, based experience. I like the shop even if some of their employees are moronic. Honestly I think I like them more for it
Pic mostly unrel
lol'd heartily, though jesus unless it was frangible ammo I'd be freaked out shoot anything 30cal at that kind of range even if it seemed like a soft target, just in case something hard was in there somewhere. I salute your big, deafened balls anon.
Phoenix, AZ anon here. Anyone got any good spots where I can just get away from people in the desert? Trying to go shooting when I go home next month on leave. Been to Rio Salado think it was pretty decent, used to be an SGC member for sometime because it was convenient, still haven't tried Ben Avery. Again just prefer outdoor.
Good spots in the Superstition Mountains to go. Nothing bad will happen to you despite the name. I mean, anything you heard about stuff that happens out there is just rumors. Nothing to it, the name is just for giggles. Please just come and camp out for a few nights, do all the shooting you like, it's beautiful and nothing spooky every happens. I mean it. Just don't even worry about disappearing or any of that silly stuff. It's fine, it's really nice out here. I mean there. Out there.
Wasn't a fudd or anything, but some range officer offered me an "AK round" for my WASR. It was clearly not 7.62x39 and the projectile was pushed super deep into the casing. Thought he was fricking with me.
I went to a local indoor range and they asked what calibers I was going to shoot. I said .45 acp and 9mm. The guy at the register tells me that he has to inspect my ammo because I didn't buy it there. This was during last years ammo shortage so I bought everything online instead of overpaying at the range. I was shooting my cmmg banshee and brought 4 mags loaded with wolf .45 acp. The guy at the register pulls out a magnet and sticks it to the ammo in the mag. He then looks at me and says that I can't use that here because it's "bi-metal" and could "damage their backstop". I said that it's Wolf ammo and pointed to some boxes they had on their shelf. The guy says, "Well, the magnet doesn't lie." I asked him if he was drunk, which he denied. I packed up my shit and left. I called the next day and told the manager that his employee was drunk and claimed that I was intending to shoot 9mm and 45 steel penetrators which I don't even think exist. The manager says, "The magnet doesn't lie." I will never shoot at the fudd range again.
>I bought everything online
fake Chinese ammo
many such cases
SAD
What the frick is it with you people.
since age 6 ive gone to the range with my father. now 26 years later i still go to the range with my dad. there are no range officers here in northern finland. 16 or20 lanes and no range officers and shit just works out between the people go there.
America is a very litigious society filled with insurance/liability type shit.
>RO lets me magdump 500 rounds of 22 in 30 minutes
Fun times
I have a refreshing boomer story. I sit near a boomer at work and guns came up in conversation. He started off with the dreaded "I support the second amendment but...", but instead of some grabber shit he finished it with (paraphrased) "I just want an M16 with iron sights like when I was in the army, I don't get tactical stuff but people have a right to own whatever they want"
>nostamps asked to point to law supporting his insane ramblings
>melts away
many such cases
One time I was asked for my SBR stamp and I didn't have it on me so they shot me dead.
Didna have me stamp and local RO turned me into a newt!