What are our expectations regarding Xian H-20?

What are our expectations regarding Xian H-20?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >vertical stabilizers
    what

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      They where proposed quite a few times for US stealth things, look at JASSM and xq-58

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      the fact it has vertical stabilizers makes me question if the chinks have any idea what they're doing. The front is also a totally different design from the B-2 which I assume has the optimal design for stealth

      that said, chinks have always sucked at making airplanes fly without bolting randoms hit like canards on them. it will probably be a good enough cruise missile flinger that will remain hidden at a distance. All in all it's fun to laugh at how bad china is at making airplanes, but they still have to be treated as a threat

      Nobody really knows what it looks like, that’s just some rando artist drawing something that remotely resembles B-2. I mean, it’s a safe guess that it will be a B-2 copy, but the exact details are still ???

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        There's been a few leaked photos.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          thats a drone

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The rumors are the vertical stabilizers are moveable from flush/flat, to an upswept position for manoeuvring. So you have stealth when you want, and areo performance when you want.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I'd rather have fully vertical tail that can fully retract, because I don't see how having stabilizers directly behind wings wouldn't frick the aerodynamics when in stealth mode, which would be most of the mission. When deployed the vertical fin would be like a 1/2 open jackknife.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          again, they lay 100% flush with the main body when not being used.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Small indie superpower please understand

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >B2 Spirit at home

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Bsasically this, but that doesn't mean it's not concerning.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    the fact it has vertical stabilizers makes me question if the chinks have any idea what they're doing. The front is also a totally different design from the B-2 which I assume has the optimal design for stealth

    that said, chinks have always sucked at making airplanes fly without bolting randoms hit like canards on them. it will probably be a good enough cruise missile flinger that will remain hidden at a distance. All in all it's fun to laugh at how bad china is at making airplanes, but they still have to be treated as a threat

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >the fact it has vertical stabilizers makes me question if the chinks have any idea what they're doing
      they know exactly what they're doing, making concept art that appeases the public

      I'm sure they have something matching the implied capability here on a drawing board somewhere but that's it. this isn't even that, it's just the idea filtered through the limited imagination of someone who saw a b2 once

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      First, it's just some random drawing. Second, canards are useful. Third, your statement isn't even accurate on the basic facts.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >canards are useful
        >posts fighter without canards
        What did he mean by this?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You are dumb as frick. You have been blinded by your hate.
      This thing would have been hailed as the greatest thing since sliced bread had it not been Chinese because stabilisers that can become flush with the main body is a great idea for both takeoff and landing, as well as flight maneuvers and barely make a dent in stealth characteristics.
      Don't get me wrong, the engines will be shit, the ram coating old or non existent, the design will be generally inefficient and its unlikely to work as well as a US model, but those control surfaces absolutely a positive for this design and you need to stop seething.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Hi Hapanda!

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >the fact it has vertical stabilizers makes me question if the chinks have any idea what they're doing

      hey look its the
      my father works at lm
      my mother at boeing
      my uncle at NG
      my aunt at bae
      me at nintendo
      guy that knows everything

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I'm betting most chink shit is on the brink of falling apart at any moment. Half their designs are stolen and I doubt they even know how most of it works.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    vely implessive

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I don’t think there’s a way to do stealth cheaply, so these “stealth” drones fail. RQ-170 got shot down over Iran, the Iranians copied it and tried to penetrate Israeli airspace with it and also got shot down. Just being “low-observable” doesn’t cut it, and being actual stealth is likely only possible through top-of-the-line manufacturing techniques, attention to detail, and constantly maintaining exotic RAM coatings — that’s antithetical to the cost proposition of drones they’ll never attain stealth.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >RQ-170 got shot down over Iran
      No, it didn't, and the RQ-170 is BARELY stealth. Which is why the US is willing to fly it over Iran in the first place. RQ-170s are stop-gap TIER II+ MALE. Why are you constantly wrong?

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Everyone boasting about canards being bad outs themselves as a fricking moron, just because the b-2 and b-21 do not have them does not mean they are usefull. You morons are asking a country with 1/10th the budget of the US to replicate the b-2, how naive can you be. I can guarantee you the chinese get more bang for their buck than almost any nation out there.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >canards
      Those aren't canards. Thanks for outing yourself as a moron, and most probably a seething chinsect. Why did you abandon your SAR thread? Tired of being BTFO?

      [...]

      Also, how is it living in Romania, plarealtalk?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Where did I say they where canards?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          where did anyone talk about canards prior to your post?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            See

            the fact it has vertical stabilizers makes me question if the chinks have any idea what they're doing. The front is also a totally different design from the B-2 which I assume has the optimal design for stealth

            that said, chinks have always sucked at making airplanes fly without bolting randoms hit like canards on them. it will probably be a good enough cruise missile flinger that will remain hidden at a distance. All in all it's fun to laugh at how bad china is at making airplanes, but they still have to be treated as a threat

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Where did I say they where canards?
          Right here:
          >Everyone boasting about canards being bad outs themselves as a fricking moron, just because the b-2 and b-21 do not have them

          Neither the B-2 nor B-21 have canards, so, why would you even bring them up? You still didn't answer why you abandoned your other thread, and how is it living in Romania, plarealtalk?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I was not talking about them in relation with the h-20, but as a standalone point, good reading comprehension

            >1/10th the cost
            Seems unlikely tbh, that'd be $70mil which even for chink shit is a pretty low. Actually all we know about the B-21 is that it's under it's budgeted cost of $692mil per plane.

            Fair enough, I refered to the chink budget instead of PPE. Their low tech/labour cost will account for the budget primarily, not the high end/tech stuff.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Cost per unit*

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >I was not talking about them in relation with the h-20
              Then why mention them in the same sentence referncing the B-2/21s lack of canards? English seems hard for you.l, plarealtalk. Now, why did you abandon your other thread? How is it living in Romania, plarealtalk?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Because it was a point about canards, not about the h-20, not that hard to understand. Also what is plarealtalk, and tbh romania is way better of a shithole than the US lol

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Because it was a point about canards
                Again: why mention them in the same sentence as the B-2/21 while saying the B-2/21 lacks canards? Please, get better ESL classes. Your parents most hate you to get you discount ESL classes. Shameful.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You know you can mention 2 or more things in a sentence without them referring to another? Why is this so hard for you.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Not when you refernce the lack of something on the B-2/21. You parents really hated you, and set you up for failure. Holy shit, learn English.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >lives in usa kek

                Your parents did the same thing lol, you and I are not so different

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >no-no U!
                REALLY shiwing that chinsect verbal IQ, there, Wing Worm

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >shiwing

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous
              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >romania is way better of a shithole than the US lol
                I heard a long while ago that women are supposed to be direct about what they want and can make the first move in Romanian culture. Is that true?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah china is notorious for cutting corners, stealing designs, low quality materials and poor construction. Meanwhile a stealth bomber requires hard to produce materials, extreme precision in manufacturing, and ridiculous engineering. China is good at boasting and making designs which look similar to western designs but god knows what their actual performance is. Most of the military equipment is shit, from the rifles they make to their MBTs. A stealth bomber is just too out of their league.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        For 1/10th the budget thier capabilities are extremely implessive, no they do not have a b-2 but they dont need one.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >1/10th the cost
          Seems unlikely tbh, that'd be $70mil which even for chink shit is a pretty low. Actually all we know about the B-21 is that it's under it's budgeted cost of $692mil per plane.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          All their boasting is just shooting themselves in the foot. Just like the Soviets. They make these bold claims of range and stealth and precision and the US engineers shit to outmatch whatever it is thats threatening them and then it turns out all the boasting and claims were false. Leaving the US with shit that far outclasses anything else out there.

          Theres a reason that b-2s and b-21s cost so much. You just can't do what they are doing cheaply. They are practically alien tech.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >is notorious
        and is further painted that way by motivated muttoids
        competence among muttoids is eroding, among chinks it is growing

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >among chinks it is growing
          The advantages of starting from the bottom.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      vertical stabs heavily compromise stealth at low frequencies. They'll make your $200 mil stealth plane turn up on a weather radar.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        see

        The rumors are the vertical stabilizers are moveable from flush/flat, to an upswept position for manoeuvring. So you have stealth when you want, and areo performance when you want.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >I can guarantee you the chinese get more bang for their buck than almost any nation out there.

      whats the point of making a stealth bomber of its not the best?

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >theoretically nuclear capable strategic bomber
    >will only be used to fling AShBMs and standoff air to air munitions in a "peer war"
    >might get used to glass Africans that don't want to pay their debts, who knows

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Impressive.

    With this most recent achievement, fate has in a single stroke, marked the decline of the west and spelled a new era of wondrous prosperity and peaceful global dominance for the Chinese dragon, which promises to firmly stand in sharp contrast to the historically bloody ascent of western powers and the cruel subjugation it brought to the humbler nations of the world. With the blessings of Chinese quantum direct-current electricity, quantum aircraft carriers and quantum enhanced railguns will be the instruments with which China affirms its noble stewardship of 21st century world politics and offers the non-western world a different option; an humanist alternative to the depredations of Western leadership and the opportunity for a more equitable and dignified multilateralism.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    TOTAL PAJEET DEATH

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Lower than squid shit.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >Lets not hope the b-2 will be seen as the v-2 of america lol.
    what is this schizo shit even supposed to mean. Typical ESL gibberish

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >seriously discuss china
    How can you have a serious discussion with a moron WuMad that spams SCIO external propaganda striaght from the CCP? Bad faith begats bad faith. Something you chinsects seem to never learn i.e. Wolf Warrior diplomacy.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >How can you have a serious discussion with a moron WuMad that spams SCIO external propaganda striaght from the CCP? Bad faith begats bad faith. Something you chinsects seem to never learn i.e. Wolf Warrior diplomacy.

      And yet you blame me for being schitzo

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >schitzo
        Learn2spell, you uneducated monkey.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    the v2 might be seen as a "terror project" only because it had effectively no precision, so it could not achieve tactical or strategic goals just cause morale damage. none of this is remotely similar to the b-2

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      How is an overkill project that does not warrant its expenditure not the same thing. Mind you the b2 came in to service in 1997, did you really need a fleet of b-2's to achive your tactical and strategic goals?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Yes. Strategically the US needed a long range stealth heavy bomber to counter IADS in USSR/Russia/China.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Preferable, absolutely, but not needed by any stretch especially with the US not having a first strike doctrine voiding the need to penetrate USSR/Russian/chinese airspace.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >What is the nuclear triad

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              strategic (stealth) bombers still are not really warranted considering the cost and its respective timeframe.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >I think
                You don't think, that is the problem. Now, frick off. God damn.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >He thinks the US gives a shit about cost
                The only thing the US gives a shit about is min/maxing the danger a US soldier is in versus how much damage they can do. Stealth minimizes detection as much as feasible which increases survivability while maximizing the amount or ordinance that makes it to the target through whatever AD the other guy has. Saturation attacks are pretty damned ineffective as we saw last week in israel

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >What is SEAD?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        No, and that's why we only built 21 of the things.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The H-20 has been 1 month away from reveal for about 4 years now, it's a new quantum stealth the Chinese are developing.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    A much worse version of the b2

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >be 1 shrivel of enthusiasm
    I hope you didn't pay much for your ESL classes.

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    China has been struggling with achieving stealth, mainly because Russia hasn’t been able to it it either. The problem, the math has been solved for decades BUT to achieve actual stealth — RCS reduction to the point of being called "stealth" — is not a marginal engineering task.

    Consider the famously out-dated Chinese engines. Supposedly the hang-up is their inability to mass-produce single-crystal titanium turbine blades. Single-crystal extrusion is an advanced metalworking technique for making metal objects out of a single (or very low number) of "crystals", basically taking a single crystal and streeeeetching it out into a shape you want. It allows for superior thermal performance which is a crucial bottleneck for increasing the efficiency of jet engines. The Chinese could make them in a lab environment but could not figure out how to mass-produce them. We’ve been making them for decades in the civilian sector so it wasn’t alien tech or anything — but the Chinese just couldn’t figure out the advanced industrial process themselves. They ended up using a thermal coating instead, which is an inferior alternative. The same situation is going on with their stealth efforts. They know what it takes, they just can’t execute on it in mass production. They don’t have the specialized tools and knowledge, processes the West have developed and which China can’t do on their own. The J-20 was obviously supposed to a 5th gen program but since they couldn’t figure out the required manufacturing processes (and flight controls) they ended up having to compromise so much they ended up at BEST a 4.5 gen, and is probably only a 4th gen.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Chinese know what it takes they just can’t execute on it
      No white boy magic. Sad!

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >China has been struggling with achieving stealth, mainly because Russia hasn’t been able to it it either. Th
      Except that China hasn't used Russian tech for their 5th gen since the 90s. Their avionic split has almost 30 years, first with the FADEC (China spend 20 years developing a decent one) then sensors like IR, Radar (AESA) completely independent from Russia. Right now Russia relyes on uncooled QWIP (developed into a useful product by the US during the late 2000s) for most of their drones and missiles...

      >Supposedly the hang-up is their inability to mass-produce single-crystal titanium turbine blades.
      Turbines are made of superalloys aren't titanium, in general are Ni-Co-Fe-Cr, refractory metals and trace amounts of titanium at best. The complex titanium blades a la RR are for commercial big turbofans, completely unrelated to small by pass turbofans like the WS-15.

      >Single-crystal extrusion
      Columnar crystal aren't extruded. All turbines are made by the same process (like in the SNECMA videos in yt). It's 'modern magic' and China has disclosed their progress for mass production and lab rate of production since the 90s. Their limitation isn't the metallurgy of the single crystals but turn a single crystal into a ended blade including all the cooling holes without destroying the structure -something not trivial and that is essential to achieve +1500ºC of temperature required for their target performance similar to the F119/F135-.

      > how to mass-produce them.
      inb4 "Muh china sources" Chinks unfricked their WS-10 development during the 2010-2015 (this includes dropping all their old naming scheme pre-2010 that was bs) and already have J-10s-WS10 in service with a performance (according to them) similar to the F110-229 instead of the normal F110 (and F100) of a 4th gen aircraft with the 1980s fixes, they're more like 1990-2000s engines tech-wise. >>>

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The -229 takes some tech of the F119/135 so the WS-10 aren't "1980s engines". Their production rate is +100 yearly (for a total of +1000) and I'm ignoring the other family of engines: WS-13/17 similar to the F404/414.
      The have ~2000 engines of that class in service but that includes 500-1000 AL-31 from the pre 2015 period, the WS-10 isn't similar in any way with those engines other than dimentions and thrust.

      > they just can’t execute on it in mass production
      The US in 60 years only has made ~15,000 4-5th gen engines (TF-30, F100, F110, F101, F404/F414, F119/F135) but that includes the cooperation of RR, Mitsubishi-IHI, etc. So the production rate isn't far off for -military low-bypass turbofans- China probably still lacks a lot of engineering in ceramics, CMC and they admit with in their budget that the most importan area of turbofans still is out of their reach: commercial turbofans. Those are nearly 10 times more in numbers than military turbofans.

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why does china bother with lying about technological development, why don't they just use their incredible cultivation powers to defeat all their enemies and rule the world?

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    B-21: spooky spectre of Imperialism over Greater East Asia
    H-20 : thrilling spirit of technical achievement & excellence beyond the cutting edge

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      why is america so fricking cool in chinese propaganda

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I like how attached Chinese are to their own culture at least, so of course the Americans are shadow-realm magicians and the Chinese are civilized peace-loving intellectuals who posses great strength but who reject using it.

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    what do you think B2 is using for yaw control in place of tail planes? magic?
    no they use split ailerons as airbrakes for differential drag at wing tips.
    these can also cause radar reflections at certain angles.

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    These stealth planes will be obsolete when they develop an AI system to physically detect them flying in the sky, whether ground, sky, or space based cameras. Then they'll just send a little kamikaze but with a jet engine to shoot it down. You have no idea how much warfare is about to change. Governments need to stop wasting billions on this outdated tech.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      "Space cameras"
      You do realise that camera footage of moving aircraft was all balloon footage right anon?

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Serviceable, but nowhere near what the Chinese will claim it is. A second-generation stealth bomber when its competition has already moved on to a third.

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    My expectation is they produce fewer than five, only two ever fly and we never hear from them again because they're all broken.

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Prototype 1: crash and burn
    Prototype 2: crash and burn
    Prototype 3: crash and burn
    The chinaman can’t not lie about their capabilities or overstate them by a third.

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    How long before the PLAN thinks it needs dogfighting capabilities?

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