What are Hezbollah's capabilities for resisting an Israel invasion force? How squishy are they compared to Hamas?
What are Hezbollah's capabilities for resisting an Israel invasion force? How squishy are they compared to Hamas?
What are Hezbollah's capabilities for resisting an Israel invasion force? How squishy are they compared to Hamas?
The question is how squishy the civilians they hide amongst are.
Without that cover they are not really that much better off on defense. They probably have a lot more missiles to launch but if the Israelis are getting the first strike they might not have a lot left for retaliation.
Why would they invest so much into missiles and so little in the more defensive side?
it's easy to shoot guns and missiles and scream. It takes a bit of mental acuity and foresight to plan and execute a defense in depth. Throwing punches is easy, any moron can do it. Actually knowing how to fight takes effort.
Muslims don’t really care if they die or cause a bunch of innocent civilians to die.They want to be martyred
Defensive preparations won't get anyone to subscribe to your AllahFans account.
Their defensive strategy is to whine to the UN and demand a ceasefire and negotiations that they will violate within the next 5 years.
Because they’re in a death cult
Aren't Hezbollah more of a professional infantry force than your average ME terrorist group? I don't think they can grayman as easily as Hamas when they live seperated from the general populace in barracks.
>Aren't Hezbollah more of a professional infantry force than your average ME terrorist group?
Is that really saying much though?
Hezbollah are, and have been since the end of Israel's first big expedition into Lebanon in 1982, a well-organized militia. Picture something like the Peshmerga. That's what Hezbollah is. From the little bits I gathered, they were one of the better forces in Assad's coalition in Syria, once Iran and Russia rode to his rescue and committed their forces. Hezbollah also has a shitload of clout in Lebanon. Now, given the Yugoslav-tier shitshow that country became in the '80s, there's still a good chance for factionalism to keep them from simply mobilizing the entire country against an Israeli incursion, but if I were commanding the IDF it isn't something I'd take for granted.
beirut is beautiful but almost a ghost town judging from google images
Lebanon has been essentially failed state with almost non existent economy for decade and half or so. The norm for Lebanon is essentially following: Everything is on fire and it can't get any worse, but it will get worse. Mostly due to government being unable to have any kind of coherent economic policy due to factionalism. Influx of Palestinians and PLO in particular ruined the country and triggered the civil war in 70's. The reason they got extra PaliBlack person refugees and PLO to frick over their politics in early and mid 70's is because they were kicked out Jordan after PLO tried to kill royal family and take over the country. Jordanians killed likely about as much PaliBlack folk in matter of few weeks as Israelis did from 50's to 70's. No one gives a frick about that minor detail in history.
Just cut the head off the snake then.
they are but they'll be forced to fight in non urban environments
Hezbollah is an actual army with 30,000 troops. You literally have no idea what you're talking about.
>150+ dead hezbollah guys in skirmeshes
you tell me.
they can do a lot of damage to israel itself. but they have not chance of stopping an invasion
they did in 2006..
2006 was 17 years ago. the idf doesn't suffer from the same deficiencies they did 17 years ago. they literally spent years and brains studying why the war didn't go well then.
in 2023/2024 hezbollah has lost 150+ guys in skimishers alone. more than 50% of the guys they lost in 2006. israel also assasinated a number of high ranking commanders, including the deputy commander of the radwan unit. most of the commander where assasinated nowhere near the battlefield meaning israel spending resources tracking them. they'll drop like flies when a war breaks out
We will see only time will tell.
Smells alot like DA JOOS WILL LOSE THOUSANDS OF TANKS IN GAZA. Until reality hit.
Where did I say that?
You don't have to reveal yourself this early or easily
they hate him as he spoke the truth
i mean think about it. hezbollah has lost nearly the same number of guys the idf has lost in gaza (wounded is different of course) and gaza is nowhere near comparable to the skirmeshes in the northern border. yet the fatalities are nearly the same. imagine the sheer number of guys hezbolla will lose if a war breaks out
Israelis and Russians are the same people this is just zigger shit
they aren't coming back. and this isn't just from skirmishes, not all out fighting
>2006 was 17 years ago
For people who want to write this off as meaning nothing, 17 years is the difference between 1974 and 1991.
Think of the difference between the US military in 1974 when they fled Hanoi, versus 1991 when the Gulf War happened...
Not saying it's a hard guarantee that Israel has made that same kind of leap, but I'd sooner bet that they've at least somewhat improved than not.
What would you say Israel has improved since 2006?
Just look at how they’re rolling Gaza, the “graveyard of tanks” when literally everybody was predicting it would be a bloodbath for the IDF based mostly on their previous performance in 2006.
The IDF has massively revised their doctrine when it comes to urban assault and have invested in a combination of drone surveillance and precision artillery that’s a nightmare for any militant trying to set up a defensive position.
>Just look at how they’re rolling Gaza
Three fricking months to conquer half of Gaza is not impressive in the least.
>would be a bloodbath for the IDF
No one but tards or shills thought this.
>urban assault
South Lebanon is primarily rural mountains. Bombing a dozen or so Christian or Shia villages didn't work in 2006 and it won't work now.
>Now please tell us how Hez can effectively counter Israeli forces given the increasing tech
The same way they repulsed them in 2006. Ambush forces along the few avenues of travel in the mountainous regions while preventing any helicopter landings with Strelas. You talk up the modern IDF capabilities yet Hezbollah are still fricking conducting ATGM strikes against Israeli infantry on the border despite all the drones and artillery in use. How well will they do when they're traversing mountainous terrain that Hezbollah has spent 20 years preparing for invasion?
Three months of continually dismantling Gaza in numerous encirclement actions that’s resulted them in taking half of Gaza with extremely light casualties given the dense terrain they were fighting in.
Literally fricking nobody expects to take a hostile city quickly, but Israel has shown that if you aren’t moron tier like Russia, it can be done with minimal losses.
Also, much of Israel’s difficulty in 2006 was losing momentum in those rural villages. The lightning encirclement and planned demolition tactics employed in Gaza look to be the IDF’s answer to that particular issue they faced. Not to mention the tech and tactics they developed to neutralize Hamas tunnels can also be applied to Hezbollah’s underground facilities.
lmao how many more times will they need to "encircle" "northern" gaza before people stop popping out of tunnels with Al-Yassins and shaped charges
>Not to mention the tech and tactics they developed to neutralize Hamas tunnels
Like the giant seawater pump that will flood every tunnel in Gaza right. 2 more gallons.
>Three months of continually dismantling Gaza
Funny way to describe bombing everything and slowly picking through the rubble. Very big brains required for those tactics.
>The lightning encirclement and planned demolition tactics
They did that in 2006 too lmao. Didn't work.
>They did that in 2006 too lmao. Didn't work.
Not to the extent they have shown in Gaza. 2006 by all accounts was a slapdash clusterfrick the IDF wasn’t fully prepared for. I think you’re really ignorant or actively downplaying how big an achievement of seizing a hostile city of almost a million people with multiple simultaneous encirclements with only slightly less than 200 deaths is.
No one finds Gaza militarily impressive.
All the shilling about the capabilities before Israel rolled them could’ve fooled me. Funny how all that got swiftly memoryholed and the shilling switched to Hezbollah.
> Ambush forces along the few avenues of travel in the mountainous regions while preventing any helicopter landings with Strelas
Won’t work well with todays persistent wide area surveillance with multiple drones. Part of the reason hezbollah lost so many guys is because drones identify ATGM launch teams quickly. Also strelas have proven to be particularly useless as hezbollah has shot down zero helicopters. Obviously the odd has revised its tactics and won’t fall prey to bushes from nearly 2 decades ago
> ATGM strikes against Israeli infantry on the border despite all the drones and artillery in use.
Can’t stop all of them of course. And it will be very different in an actual war when troops can direct drones and aircraft to certain postiions. Part of the reason there are still ATGMS going through is because surveillance and reconnaissance are limited. This will change with boots on the ground
you realize the ATGMs are hitting surveillance and recon posts right. Theyve just been hitting antennas and cameras this whole time
And they’ve lost 163 guys doing that
they have plenty
Right now imagine how many they’ll lose in an actual war.
like in 2006?
SARS LIKE 2006 SARS ALWAYS
youre right I forgot Israel found the tesseract in 2016 im sure they will "encircle" "northern" beirut and arab extremism will be finished once and for all
You definitely thought Hamas was going to pull off an offensive and stop Israel from steamrolling Gaza lmao.
Is that why theyre still having trouble getting control over the "encircled" northern half, 3 months in, after displacing 1.2 million people and declaring everyone remaining a militant to do so?
Israel is doing clean up in the north now lmao keep dreaming.
sure
https://twitter.com/MyLordBebo/status/1748665413854957597
Doing cope potshots does nothing to stop Israel from bulldozing the whole area.
if they truly steamrolled the whole area there would be no potshots.
And this is only the northern half btw after depopulation lmao.
>Ahaha you haven't killed ALL of us yet!
Lol, lmao
>two more encirclements and hamas in northern gaza will be finished
How many more times b***hing to the UN and Israel will be destroyed Palestinebros?
Civilians will always b***h about being slaughtered.
I thought it was hamas that supposedly violated the last ceasefire?
Hamas should stop forcing civilians to house military assets, simple as.
>we had no choice but to kill 30,000 civilians and destroy 70% of homes in Gaza, displacing 1.2 million people please understand
>We had no choice but to go and kill 1000 civilians in Israel please understand
Durkas gonna Durka, especially when you fund them
https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/
and a key part of that point is you cant just bomb an insurgency from the air without being on the ground without at the very least a local force.
They’ve already lost more than 50% of the guys they claimed to have lost in 2006 while there is no war. Really makes you think doesn’t it?
>muh k:d
>total air superiority
>cant stop ATGM strikes against literal recon posts on the fricking border
Brilliant.
Also most Hezbollah casualties are far behind the border.
Nope a great deal of them is dudes who got whacked while approaching the border or after having conducted an atrack
>Lose dozens of men just so you can hit a recon tower
Impressive, this is the true power of the third world
>He thinks Hezbollah's casualties are from the ATGM strikes
May we see the footage?
When Hezbollah is completely destroyed you'll still be coping over that one time a tower got struck won't you? Hezbollah has lost more than they've inflicted in damage, this is just pathetic.
>May we see the footage?
say no more. i will post some footage of piecs of shiitates who got blown to pieces after approaching the border
>Still can't stop ATGM strikes
lmao
>you may have killed 4 of our guys but at least we hit your camera
lol. lmfao. btw these dudes in this car were killed after conducting an ATGM strike and getting away in a car
and there's plenty more i didn't save
Next he's gonna gloat the bomb cost more than the brave martyr's life, and they CRIPPLED israel's economy
unironically that ATGM is worth more than the operator
>They can't stop strikes and can only get consolation prizes.
>On the border of all places.
Brilliant.
>attack israel tower
>get killed while getting away
>massive victory for hezbollah
comedic. you morons really don't value lives do you?
how many middle east wars will it take for you to finally understand this. Its alot like the Russians.
Nobody is saying the durkas are gonna project their power and take London (lmao), but theyre not gonna let you steamroll them without grinding to the bone
I wonder how that gopro footage from last week survived an Israeli bombing in October. Must be Shia magic.
>Part of the reason there are still ATGMS going through is because surveillance and reconnaissance are limited.
There are thousands of soldiers on the border with god knows how many artillery and drones fixed on possible Hezbollah positions yet you think that when the IDF rolls into the valleys and roads Hezbollah has been fortifying for 20 years they'll be fine because "boots on the ground"?
Nah. It’s not as easy as you make it sound. They usually just roll up on bushy non designated areas to fire. It’s literally not possible to have a vantage point over everything. The idf still gets a lot of them though
>What would you say Israel has improved since 2006?
I'm the original anon you responded to.
The anon you responded to *does* make a valid point regarding Israel's MOUT capability. You want to write off taking a long time to clear out dense urban environments for comparatively minimal casualties, but that's exactly the way you'd ideally want to do MOUT.
Taking big, urbanized areas very quickly but with grievous losses isn't a success, and I have no fricking idea what you'd be on to think it is.
On the topic of conventional operations, their improvements in ISR aren't nothing, and in fact are probably the single *biggest* thing, alongside the IDF's integration of it into their actual warfighting.
20 years is a very, very fricking long time in development for a nation with money and a serious military and MIC. Thinking otherwise is too delusional to even count as copium.
>they literally spent years and brains studying why the war didn't go well then.
And them used all their resources in the iron dome, neglecting the infantry. And now they have a pretty shitty infantry, well I hope the Iron dome can invade lebanon or Israel is fricked.
Their infantry seem to be doing pretty damn well in Gaza.
>And them used all their resources in the iron dome, neglecting the infantry
nope. you're making shit up. one of the lessons from the 2006 war was don't neglect ground forces. loads of resources have gone into ground forces then. they literally go overseas to train for fights in southern lebanon's terrain: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NF1KMlnqtmw
Because UN security council pressured Israel to abandon the operaion while promising both the lebanese and UN troops "will disarm Hezbollah".
https://peacemaker.un.org/israellebanon-resolution1701
Pic related, apparently they failed to disarm Hezbollah, I wonder why...
I don't think this time Israel will be in a mood to obey any resolution, particularly considering how divided the council is these days.
Yeah, I believe Israel seeing the UN effectively stab them in the back by not enforcing Resolution 1701 as promised was a big contributor in them no longer giving a shit about what the UN thinks.
YEAH...
>IDF literally rolling over Gaza using new tactics and tech they devised since 2006.
>b-but muh 2006!
Tasty cherry.
Now post W/L and K/D ratios of battles between Israel and arabs.
lmao prime cope, as if Israel suddenly started caring about U.N resolutions and it totally wasn't about getting assraped by RPG teams in lebanon
but hezbollah is getting assrape rn
UNIFIL said early on they won't even try
So they're just endrunning all their old grievances?
let's see how it goes. anyway you slice it, you should look forward to it.
It seems Israel's 2006 invasion was not very effective. But they are much more powerful now than they were then and Hezbollah is probably weaker. In the years that followed 2006 Mossad and CIA conducted several high profile assassinations, including of course Soleimani and the legendary Imad Mughniyeh.
Flawed thinking. Gaza was an open-air prison. You can bomb a dense city to smithereens but you can't bomb a whole country to smithereens short of nukes. The southern border of Lebanon is hilly. Hezbollah can retreat into the cities, and then Israel basically has to go all in.
>Flawed thinking. Gaza was an open-air prison. You can bomb a dense city to smithereens but you can't bomb a whole country to smithereens short of nukes
israel never said they wanted to bomb the whole country. they simply want to push hezbollah up to the litani river. hezbollah can decide whether or not the war turns into one where the entire country gets bombed. also if israel wants to frick Lebanon up they simply have to flatten beirut, the economic centre. reminder, lebanon still never fully recover from one port blast that happened in beirut nearly 4 years ago
> Hezbollah can retreat into the cities, and then Israel basically has to go all in.
israel doesn't want to destroy hezbollah. simply drive them further north and create a buffer zone
>It seems Israel's 2006 invasion was not very effective.
the 2006 invasion was a failure by israel's own admission. they did studies and wrote reports for years to find out what went so. the idf has basically been transformed since
>The southern border of Lebanon is hilly. Hezbollah can retreat into the cities, and then Israel basically has to go all in.
Hezbollah running is exactly what Israel wants. They want to expand the DMZ above their northern border.
I feel like I've seen this one before... Didn't work out so well..
I wonder how hard the Biden administration is going to push back on this. They know they don't have a leg to stand on against the rationale for a northern front but they're so desperate not to have regional escalation.
Biden doesn't need to worry, Trump has taken up all the other party's air and will be in jail soon (Georgia trial going well and will have a prison sentence that lasts the rest of his life 🙂 ) we can do whatever we like. Not just abroad, but at home too. The lockdowns were just a test, now we can selectively isolate insurgent zones in the US, and disarm them piecemeal.
This. I'm eagerly waiting for the day when I can post a Police Buyback General and watch the chuds seethe as the zoomers turn in their guns for vbucks.
It's going to be so juicy. They got so arrogant because their corrupt old house slave on the Supreme Court started playing activist judge (a thing they complain about) for them on guns.
Resisting an invasion? None. But Hezbollah's missile arsenal is orders of magnitudes larger and more sophisticated that Hamas, who were still able to overwhelm the Iron Dome. And if Hezbollah is at existential risk Iran will intervene to save their strongest proxy, ex. blockading the Strait of Hormuz again to frick oil prices, sending in proxy militias from Syria, etc.
Iran seems like it can't do anything for its proxy groups except send another proxy group to assist. When does it end and when do they get involved personally?
>involved personally
They don't. Their military power projection is designed to be done through proxies, supplying them with drones and missiles etc. Conventional power projection is useless against the US and Iran is large and mountainous so US invasion is difficult and extremely unlikely.
Well the Houthis have already diverted global shipping around all of Africa. It'll take a few months for shit to roll downhill but another round of inflation is already guaranteed.
>Well the Houthis have already diverted global shipping around all of Africa
no they haven't:. insurances prices are up sure. but they haven't diverted shit otherwise what the frick would they be hitting?
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Tankers and bulk carriers still take the risk because their $ value is lower, but cargo container ships divert because paying war insurance rates on cargo worth half a billion dollars isn't profitable.
Asia to Europe routes diverting around Africa instead of through the Suez adds so much transit time the annual freight capacity of the fleet gets reduced by something like 20%. Shipping prices will (and have already) increase because of reduced supply. Other routes will be affected also, as ships are diverted to cover the deficit.
there are still cargo ships going through albeit the number is significantly lower
Well, that's the thing. Israel isn't saying they're out to destroy Hezbollah, just push them away from the border. If Israel signals that they're only engaging in a limited offensive, that doesn't give Iran a lot of room for direct intervention.
i don't think israel is going to cross the Litani river
Hezbollah likely will not fare so well if the Israelis go in full invasion mode. They'll likely use the exact same tactics that seem to working well for them in Gaza, using a combination of airstrikes and demolition teams to methodically destroy every possible Hezbollah strongpoint near the border. Sure, Hezbollah can just retreat further into Lebanon, but Israel's aim seems to be setting up a buffer zone or DMZ to the north.
That didn't work in the 90s or 2006
> using a combination of airstrikes and demolition teams to methodically destroy every possible Hezbollah strongpoint near the border.
2006 was a completely different ballgame. It was largely intended to be a large scale hostage rescue operation and it only involved 30,000 IDF troops max. Now, IIRC, Israel has at least 100,000 troops mobilized on the border and they've had the opportunity to use Gaza as a dry run for their new urban warfare tactics. Given how quickly Hamas folded when they met even basic resistance, I wouldn't put too much stock in Hezbollah this time around.
Back then israel was btfo by the west whenever they went too far, this time they are doing whatever they want and everyone kneels, I wouldn't be surprised is they restore a Christian state in southern Lebanon and everybody says ok
>a second genocide and humanitarian crisis
>with the lebanon diaspora
not gonna happen. not with french support at least.
Isnt more than 80 percent of the diaspora not muslim?
If anything if Hezbollah gets wrecked in the south the Christians and non shias would take control no?
Especially if Israel leaves but sets up another sla style puppet government again now less moronic this time.
why do the Israelis need to get permission from the US before they're allowed to clean up their own backyard?
It's not permission, they're just doing their due diligence as allies to let the US know what they're up to.
i dont' think they are asking for permission simply notifying
It's the price of foreign aid.
>"WAR!"
>"WAR! in a week"
Imagine you're the US defsec (and not dying lmao) which message would you prefer to receive?
They don't need to surprise Hezbollah, and they don't want to surprise their allies.
They don't. There's a difference between asking for permission and giving notice.
Eh, not much in an actual open war, but then again, they don't play by western rules, they aren't a real army but a thug militia pretending to fight for some ideology which hasn't improved their lives in centuries.
maybe another 2006 repeat who knows
Not good enough, but they'll just repeat 2006 even if they get a bloody nose as many anons have already pointed out
>What are Hezbollah's capabilities for resisting an Israel invasion force? How squishy are they compared to Hamas?
It'd be 2006 on steroids, the difference is that we know that Hezbollah has limited abilities at force projection and the Israelis aren't going to march in thinking they can go full Rambo with impunity this time.
A Israeli victory in South Lebanon at this stage would likely result in hundreds if not low thousands of IDF and Israeli civilian deaths along the way and large-scale infrastructure damage that would set back the country as a whole at least 5-10 years.
There is exactly zero reason for the IDF to be doing this unless if they expect the Iranians to build out-and-out nukes this year or have firm guarantees that the USAF is going to help peace the Iranian nuclear program. That's how costly of an undertaking this would be regardless of whether or not it actually worked.
>There is exactly zero reason for the IDF to be doing this
Hezbollah has been lobbing missiles at Israel since the war against hamas first started and a good 2% of the Israeli population has to evacuate the border from fear of missiles. If anything I'm surprised that they haven't started attacking yet.
There’s not going to be an invasion of south Lebanon. IDF will just bomb the hell out of them until internal pressure forces Hezbollah to agree to a ceasefire
>internal pressure
Hezbollah IS the internal pressure, this is like saying internal pressure can force Hamas to agree to a ceasefire (it can't).
waltz with bashir 2 kino incoming.
Knowing how every arab nation has fought in the past (and Ham-asses lawn chair moment in Gaza), I forsee things working out peachy for Hezbollah in Lebanon.
copium. israel only puuled back because of the UN
Go forth and smite the Asiatics.
You´d think that if they could actually do something to Israel, that they would have done so by now. No reason to hold back when the people you claim to defend (Gaza) are getting invaded. But I guess a few more twitter propaganda video is all they can do.
Is that really a good idea? To open up a two front war?
Can someone explain to me what the end goal of Israhell's enemies really is? Gaza is a fricking parking lot, Houthis are trying to disrupt global trade and getting turned to dust, and now Hezbollah is starting to kick things up.
>so what if Israel bombs sandBlack folk? if they keep bombing them, they'll just keep radicalizing people!
I don't even understand this sentiment as some sort of "gotcha". The muds' mantra of "dindu nuffin" is taught since they're born, no matter what moronic shit they do, resulting in the destruction of their own is seen as martyrdom. It's obvious that Israel is not going to back down, especially not with them performing strikes in Lebanon against Hezbollah with little resistance, at least as far as I know. The Houthis are getting annihilated by us and Bongs.
Is it still martyrdom if whatever goal you had originally planned is all but guaranteed to be never achieved?
Can you explain to me how the USA could lose Afghanistan?
?
It's just brownie cope.
Easy, because their is no "Afghanistan" and there never was, but moronic politicians get lured by the promise maps make of the territory being a major connection point between southeast Asia and the middle east. Russia, Britain, and the US took over the main cities but always forget that most of that territory is ungoverned mountains full of autonomous groups that resist anything and everyone. Really the only reason "Afghanistan" exists is because it's neighboring countries don't want to deal with the logistics of governing random tribes in inaccessible locations.
doesn't explain how the USA couldn't hold onto the major cities.
Because like with Russia or Britain all the autonomous zones ganged up on the cities after the occupying force left and the "Afghan" government folded immediately. This was caused because Biden decided like a moron to move the "end" point of the Afghan conflict to 9/11 for political brownie points and made all the tribes people mad. US had already largely left and had less than 10k troops, so defense was up to the 'givernment' which I had already explain pretty much doesn't truly exist anywhere but on a map.
You cannot "win" Afghanistan unless you redraw the made to be more accurate to the actual truth on the ground, which no politician will ever want because it would show the reality that the Afghanistan territory is really just like 2-3 cities.
>US had already largely left and had less than 10k troops, so defense was up to the 'givernment' which I had already explain pretty much doesn't truly exist anywhere but on a map.
why did the US decide to leave?
>You cannot "win" Afghanistan unless you redraw the made to be more accurate to the actual truth on the ground, which no politician will ever want because it would show the reality that the Afghanistan territory is really just like 2-3 cities.
defacto US always only controlled a few key cities. was fine for years. dejure doesn't matter and wouldn't stop any tribes.
The last two presidents wanted to cut the sunk cost crap and pull out come what may.
is there a similar discussion about cutting the sunk cost of Israel?
doesn't look like it will ever be pacified -- same as Afghanistan.
>sunk cost of Israel?
LOL
is it not a sunk cost?
what does the US get in return?
Free port into the middle east, free place to trade in the middle east without any Chinese-style middle man, free water zone to drive carriers as close as possible to be able to strike anywhere in the middle east, weapon testing, free economic trade partner and that is just to name a few. because you are brown or are a seething "white" second worlder you cannot see that Israel is infinity a better cost than Afghanistan ever was
You’re forgetting the vital intelligence sharing with agencies like the mossad and unit 8200
That to, Israel provides an amazing spy network for the US into the middle east and into China/Russia. Must be why the Chinese seethe about them too
Yeah their spies are pretty good at stealing our shit
NSA isn't allowed to spy on American citizens.
letting Unit 8200 do it is a legal loophole and benefits the US intelligence community.
>letting foreign intelligence agencies spy on American citizens is good
>dual citizens stealing nuclear secrets is good
GTFO of here glowBlack person.
everyone spies on everyone. it's just the game. if you think the americans don't conduct espionage on israel and israelis you're moronic
Not him but c’mon man. Everyone knows the US is Israel’s b***h. USS Liberty, Jonathan Pollard, Israel selling military tech to the Chinese. The US-Israel relationship is like a battered wife staying with her abusive husband year after year.
>On 11 September 2013, The Guardian released a leaked document provided by Edward Snowden which reveals how Unit 8200, referred to as ISNU, receives raw, unfiltered data of U.S. citizens, as part of a secret agreement with the U.S. National Security Agency
wha... what the frick do they do with the data?
"data" can mean wildly different things
unit 8200 usually deals with SiGINT and cyberwarfare. so you can take a guess on what the type of data is
Who knows? I'd imagine it's kind of similar to that time when Obama (scandal-free president btw) asked British GHCQ to spy on his rivals since they aren't bound by US law or congressional oversight. Though even that is something of a special case since the glowBlack folk of Anglo countries are basically a human centipede rather than distinct entities.
that deal is from 2009. guess who was president then.
why would Obama ask both GHCQ and Unit 8200?
>guess who was president then
Obama.
>why would Obama ask both GHCQ and Unit 8200?
Why wouldn't he?
God you are a gullible one
>Free port into the middle east
>free place to trade in the middle east
>be able to strike anywhere in the middle east
>middle east
that's absurd. Israel is toxic for Middle East relations.
US operations in the Middle East can't be supported from Israel.
US troops are somewhere else in the Middle East.
It's used as a wedge against Iran. That's it. That's all. We've decided we can't let Iran be the regional power its terrain, culture, and demographics kinda destine it to be so we have invested trillions of dollars in trying to prevent that to mostly no avail.
We back Israel because they oppose Iran and then they leave the potus on delivered.
>Really the only reason "Afghanistan" exists is because it's neighboring countries don't want to deal with the logistics of governing random tribes in inaccessible locations.
wrong. Pakistan exists.
«The name Pakistan was coined by Choudhry Rahmat Ali, a Pakistan Movement activist, who in January 1933 first published it (originally as "Pakstan") in a pamphlet Now or Never, using it as an acronym.[31] Rahmat Ali explained: "It is composed of letters taken from the names of all our homelands, Indian and Asian, Panjab, Afghania, Kashmir, Sindh, and Baluchistan."«
That is a state of multiple tribes, not inacessable ones. Also they are united in their hatred of india
this is the "Pakistan" that he envisioned. he had malign intentions because some of those areas were minority muslim.
has some Pushtu regions that current-day Afghanistan also wants
>muslim had malign intentions and wanted to conquer lands from others
Wow, what a shock.
how's that conquering when they already live there?
India to this day has 172.2 million Muslims -- the third-largest Muslim population of the world.
>anywhere a muslim spat is muslim territory
Are you brown, by chance?
both Pakistanis and Indians are brown.
both Pakistanis and Indians consider the British-enforced partitioning of India along Muslim-lines a mistake.
Afghanistan is merely the remainder of landmass when the rest of the map was divided. It is the gap left in the geopolitical game. It doesn't exist.
is that what chinks, ziggers and indians believe?
moron. Afghanistan should beg us for occupied.
Afghanistan needs to become a complete country first. That or the US/China need to go full colonialist and build up every square inch of Afghanistan to make the city livers out breed the nomads and tribes
https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Agreement-For-Bringing-Peace-to-Afghanistan-02.29.20.pdf
>The Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan which is not recognized by the United States as a state and
is known as the Taliban will not allow any of its members, other individuals or groups, including
al-Qa’ida, to use the soil of Afghanistan to threaten the security of the United States and its
allies.
So US left because the taliban promised (and seem to be keeping their promise) to not to support ever again attacks against the West while Uncle Sam saved some bucks after finally figuring out you don't uplift turdies and left them to their own devices.
You didn't mention Vietnam, oh right, you can see the pattern, 2 decades from now US and the taliban will be BFF.
Taliban literally offered the exact same thing before the US invasion
>The Taliban ambassador to Pakistan Abdul Salam Zaeef said at a news conference in Islamabad that "our position in this regard is that if the Americans have evidence, they should produce it." If they could prove their allegations, he said, "we are ready for a trial of Osama bin Laden."[71] The Taliban foreign minister Wakil Ahmed Muttawakil also attempted to negotiate, offering the Americans the proposal of setting up a three-nation court under the supervision of the Organisation of the Islamic Conference as it was a "neutral organization" or having bin Laden tried by an Islamic council in Afghanistan.[72] Muttawakil said "the US showed no interest in it."[72] The Taliban Prime Minister Abdul Kabir stated that if evidence was provided, "we would be ready to hand him over to a third country".[73]
Marxist dialectics are so effective when you have people who just doesnt do a bit of research or has titok attention span, as people have pointed out, you have cherry picked, taken testimonies out of context or out-right lied, I would have said you are a turdie but you sound more like the kind of west individual who opened a Youtube channel to bash capitalism because both you and your parents were so financially moronic to frick your mortgage (for those wondering the reference is Second Thought, although plenty of butthurt zoomies can fit the profile).
Ultimately experience shows guerrilla organizations such as Hezbollah get steamrolled into the odd murdering of civilians once a half competent military force auch as IDF finally gets free reign to stomp them flat.
Cool schizo rant and ad hominem. Now please tell me how a Israeli invasion of Lebanon can actually succeed and not be a miserable failure like the last two times.
Limited aims and at least three times as many troops compared 2006 for starters. After that there is 17 years of post-conflict analysis, firsthand knowledge of how Hez operates, and practical applications of theory using Gaza as testing grounds. On top of that is almost 2 decades of improvements in recon and observation through drone usage, which can also provide constant loitering presence for intelligence gathering as fire support. Now please tell us how Hez can effectively counter Israeli forces given the increasing tech, materiel, and personnel discrepancies while having changed their tactics to prevent Israel from exploiting their knowledge gained from the last conflict.
Anon are you schizophrenic or just have English as a second language?
i'm assuming you replied to me by accident
because i didn't say anything remotely related to your reply and UNIFIL did say they won't attempt to disarm hezbollah
People like you keep saying this shit and even when you end up losing like in Afghanistan, and in Lebanon 2006, you just pretend like it never happened and pretend like you're still superior. Wake up, iHubris is your fall
>Afghanistan
The Taliban never once was in a position to ever defeat the US in the field. The “loss” was when the US finally admitted Afghanistan couldn’t be civilized and there really wasn’t a point staying there with bin Laden dead already.
>2006
While the war did expose serious deficiencies in the IDF, the only reason Israel agreed to the ceasefire was because they were promised that the UN would disarm Hezbollah in south Lebanon. Who knew the UN would essentially turn around and stab Israel in the back by doing absolutely nothing and humiliating them. There’s a reason Israel doesn’t give a shit about what the UN thinks of them anymore.
Now this is Lockheed Martin grade cope
>I can’t refute what he’s saying so I’ll just call him a Lockheed shill.
Bravo
>America wanted to leave they didnt get BTFO after 20 years of war
>Israel wanted to suddenly start listening to the U.N, it totally wasnt because they were getting BTFO
Maybe if we just dropped 1 or 2 more MOABs we could have won huh
Well then enlighten me. When has there been any situation where the Taliban actually threatened to push the US out of Afghanistan militarily prior to the pullout?
Can you demonstrate that Israel would have pulled out of Lebanon in 2006 if they couldn’t secure the condition that Hezbollah would disarm or knew the UN wouldn’t follow through with it?
You just dont understand what an insurgency means. The fact that the Taliban still persisted and was able to mount a full offensive against a fully armed proxy, after a 20 year campaign of training said proxy and trying to wipe out the taliban, shows that we failed. Thats where they blew us the frick out. Youre still looking for like a single military engagement as if theyre some uniformed force on the highway of death lmao. Thats not how insurgency works and thats why you keep getting BTFOd
Yes, the pullout was due to many factors that were outside the US’ control. The Taliban could easily hide in Pakistan to avoid American bombings and raids, and the corruption and tribalism inherent in Afghani society meant it was pretty much impossible to set up a unified local counter to the Taliban. The US’s big failing was their inability or refusal to recognize that.
Not to mention, even in their insurgency phase, the Taliban couldn’t even kill that many coalition troops. They simply padded their numbers doing what they already knew, killing other Afghanis.
>America wanted to leave they didnt get BTFO after 20 years of war
When did America get btfo? Do you think the US was just going to stay in Afghanistan forever, long after it got what it came for?
>it got what it came for
Lmfao bro the primary goal was to remove the Taliban from power. We ended up strengthening them. This kind of cope is just shameful
You're conflating military and state/diplomatic failure.
Militarily the US always wins. Problem is you cannot always achieve political/diplomatic objectives militarily.
And militarily the goal of removing the taliban from power with military force was a failure 20 years and several trillion dollars later
They were removed for the entire time the US was there. Then the US left, not because of any sort of Muslim martial skill, but because the taxpayers went "yo Obama is dead why are we still paying for Afghanistan?" You dumb brown Black person.
>outlasting the largest and most powerful military on the planet trying to eradicate you for over 20 years despite them spending trillions means nothing of your martial skill.
It really doesn't. It says alot about your resilience though. You can't beat mud into anything, it's already mud
Yea, its totally easy to outlast the US. That's why Saddam's army is still kicking around Iraq after all.
>They were removed for the entire time the US was there
So what was the 20 years of war lmfao you really dont seem to get it. American soldiers died to IEDs regularly
>We ended up strengthening them
They barely control their own heartland moron. The primary goal was killing Bin Laden. The Taliban at no point defeated the US, and the only reason they came back was that the US had left, because the US had no interest in permanently occupying a useless thirdie country that didn't want to be free.
so it occupied them for 20 years anyways? just for funzies?
What do you mean barely control exactly? They are the hegemon now lol.
After all that shit you guys talked to the ziggers turned out you were cut from the same cloth
Taliban told the US to frick off until we were 3 CSGs deep in the Med and about to invade, then they realized the US wasn't fricking around and tried some 13th hour diplomacy but it was too late. You might understand why there's a difference between that and the current state of agreement which sees the Taliban cooperating with the US to deal with terrorists on their soil.
from my understanding the pro palestinian anons point is the basic guerilla paradigm - as long as we are alive we win. doesnt matter how many of us u kill, nor how long u occupy us.
which was already answered by , basically that we wont genocide u but we will sufficiently cripple u to regime change your state.
perhaps in gaza the best case scenario is the gazans somehow accessing the sinai, in which case the egyptian government will genocide the pali's but no one will b***h about it because it's muslims killing muslims, like
.
>we will sufficiently cripple u to regime change your state
People dont bend the knee to ethnic cleansers just because they started hungering for a cheeseburger after generations of war. This only works if we are showing up fresh without context. Theres decades of blood to reconcile.
u dont genocide everyone, u sufficiently weaken the factions that dont want the cheeseburgers.
Except the area in question is a 24 mile strip of land that the inhabitants of old Palestine were concentrated into during Nakba (then got caught between the Sinai)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_towns_and_villages_depopulated_during_the_1947%E2%80%931949_Palestine_war
They already view this as a battle of survival. The Israeli far right inciting them by gassing people at al aqsa doesnt help
i dont think gaza will ever get a "post war" status for exactly the reasons you mention. it will turn into the west bank except instead of the PA the strip (whatever remains of it) will be divided between the remnants of hamas, criminal gangs, and the idf.
>"as long as we are alive the Israelis have not won"
>"as long the israelis have not won we can live to fight another day
>"our decades long struggle is evidence of our eventual victory"
>"as long as we are alive we (will eventually) win"
israel will never genocide any1 because of israeli history. ethnically cleanse perhaps.
>>"as long as we are alive we (will eventually) win"
I mean yeah this is a core tenant of resisting an occupation.
Especially now after they displaced 1.2 million people, killed 30k and razed northern gaza. People aren't going to be too warm to that, regardless of your offer of a wendys baconator
exactly.
all u need is a weak hamas and the gazans will turn gaza into an american style ghetto.
Bruh
ceasefire?
I think a key point is its not "as long as we are alive we win", its "as long as we are alive the Israelis have not won" coming from a perspective of survival
The problem is that an insurgent group can wither and die from losses even with an outside sponsor.
Not as long as the base population from which fighters are drawn hold the same beliefs as the insurgent group
Bombing said population killing their families and then asking them "but do you condemn hamas" is sure to maintain this process
The VC were completely spent as a fighting force following Tet. Ultimately at some point you lose institutional knowledge and the willingness of people to join you due to a perception of failure and ineffectiveness.
That is factually incorrect. He hid out at his neighbor's house.
but the point is the insurgency has outlasted the U.S' resolve to fight. So far this has happened in nearly every insurgency we've faced short of the Philippines. We're great at fighting uniformed armies we suck at fighting insurgencies, partly specifically BECAUASE of our politics
They go hand in hand
You're not even addressing the point I'm trying to make.
except the "vc being spent as a fighting force following tet" is irrelevant when the U.S pulled out following tet. They won. Youre just coping about what might have happened in the U.S just sacrificed a few thousand more 19 year old lives
>VC were completely spent as a fighting force following Tet
both sides want to genocide the other. the only thing stopping palis from doing it is that they don't have the power for it and the israelis is that they are dependent on international support.
the moment palis have enough weapons/manpower or israelis stop needing international support you can be sure they will do it
>USA could lose Afghanistan?
Taliban 'victory' is like this
>You're in your house with your wife
>Suddenly Chad breaks it
>You feebly try to protect your home and wife
>He backhand slaps you and you crumple in a heap
>He marches over to your wife unbuckling his belt
>You crawl as fast as you can to your bedroom closet
>As the sounds of moaning and plapping can be heard around the house you grumble to yourself 'Y-y-you didn't kill me, so I'm winning!'
>Chad does this for 20 (TWENTY) years in your house, your only attempts to stop him ravaging your mindbroken wife are you running from your closet with a fly swatter and slapping his bare muscular arse with it then running up stairs to your closet again all the while laying marbles and LEGO bricks on the floor to make it not worth the effort to come get you
>After 20 years of this, Chad decides to up and leave, waves goodbye to the 16 year old kid he had with your wife and says he is in charge now, try to look after the place
>Once Chad is out of sight and over the hill, you run downstairs with your fly swatter and start beating the shit out of the 16 year old kid
>Once he is a crumpled heap on the floor you plant your foot on his back and go 'VICTORY! I BEAT CHAD! I AM THE GREATEST"
>You then promptly start to starve and your wife wishes Chad was back because at least he provided food
>You send the occasional letter to Chad asking for food
This is exactly how the war went.
why are americans so obsessed with cuckoldry
Taking other people's wives is anglo tradition
is that why theyre obsessed with the blacks
Diversity.
>chad leaves behind trillions of dollars of military equipment and finds himself unable to pay for healthcare
>random capitalization
Nothing worse. Educate yourselves.
why don't the lebanese exterminate hezbollah and its members?
Because they'd take Hezbollah and Iranian tards over being invaded and occupied by Israelis again. Yes, this includes the Christians as the largest Christian party is in coalition with Hezbollah in the Lebanese parliament. There's a very real fear among Israel's neighbors that they'll be invaded, occupied, and colonized and Israeli larping for Greater Israel doesn't help.
This sounds pretty moronic overall. I call bullshit on your post.
Bullshit on Hezbollah's Christian allys or bullshit on Levant fears of an Israeli invasion?
hezbollah doesn't have any christian allies it's a /misc/estinian fairy tail. Christians are always in a near state of war with hezbollah and they sided with Israel in the 1980s
Have you ever hit a speed bump going 20 in your car? Imagine that, that is Hamas. Then imagine a slightly bigger speed bump, that is Hezbollah.
Israel whacked five IRGC members today, including the head of intelligence and his deputy. will Iran finally bomb israel for fricks sake.
No they won't lmao
frick i really wish they would bomb israel so israel can give them a proper beating
when they wack some guys with grey hair and wrinkles, then we know its serious business. until then..
what do you mean? is this guy not close enough? he was head of intelligence. pretty important. and the fact that they whacked his deputy is also a big frick you. they basically have to start from scratch
>Iran finally bomb Israel
The implication being that the Ayatollah isn't an enormous pussy. I really hope that moron actually does bomb Israel.
>will Iran finally bomb israel for fricks sake.
With what?
the have ballistic and cruise missiles that can reach israel but are too pussy to use them. they would probabbly have to use a really large number to try and saturate israel air-defenses; Arrow 2 and 3, patriot and david's slings among others
They aren't going to bomb israel because they're afraid of getting nuked. Simple.
They also have absolutely 0 defenses against F-35s.
Iran didnt do anything on nov 3rd and jan 3rd, hezbollah pussied out of defending gaza
kek. they'll bomb anyone but israel. looks like thy tried bombing an american base in iraq
iran literally bombed an israeli base in iraq this week
>In a statement later on Tuesday, the Revolutionary Guards appeared to return to the narrative that blamed Israel, saying the target in Erbil had been the local headquarters for Mossad, Israel’s spy agency. Israel did not immediately respond.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/15/world/middleeast/iran-iraq-syria-attack.html
they hit a villa and killed a kurdish business man and his family. no serious person believes it was a Mossad base
based on what?
unlike Iran, Israel does not confirm deaths of their operatives.
no country would confirm deaths of their intelligence operatives. israel confirms deaths of its soldier.
with that being said. the first responders that arrived on the scene would have mentioned finding bodies that did belong to the family. all the bodies found were of the kurdish business man and his family
that did not belong*
this isn't Ukraine. opsec exists for clandestine hqs.
>cladestine HQ
it was a businessman's villa. very intelligent of the mossad to use a popular business man's villa as a base
what would you suggest?
Israel just hit some four-storey building in a popular Damascus neighborhood trying to kill some IRGC unit.
and the bodies they pulled out are iranians and syrians
as opposed to a kurdish business man and his family
>what would you suggest?
what do you mean?
>Israel just hit some four-storey building in a popular Damascus neighborhood trying to kill some IRGC unit.
they killed 5 IRGC guys. it's likely that this was their place of residence.
look, i am just saying to have an intelligence HQ in a villa where a famous businessman was living with his family sounds absurd and laughable. like were they conducting operations while his wife and cihldren were chilling around?
By Iran they always mean an Iranian Proxy which is always a nothingburger
Ironically the one thing which keeps Israel from effectively genociding Hamas and Hezbollah is the U.S. The US has an effective veto power over Israel’s policies because of the huge amount of aid. Of course now that Israeli demographics have shifted so much into Arabs they probably CAN’T do anything more than what they’re doing currently regardless of US aid. Israel is a European Western civilization (albeit with strong East European bias) that is on the way out due to demographic shifts.
doesn't make sense.
no one stopped the US to geocoding the Iraqis or Afghans.
does the US just like to lose?
The US wasn’t interested in geocoding, just regime change. In both cases an astounding success.
2006 but worse.
>Optimism was booming in the Israeli Army Command. According to intelligence estimates Hizbullah was withdrawing. During the night Defence Minister Amir Peretz called Prime Minister Ehud Olmert. "Listen, Hezbollah’s in trouble," Peretz said excitedly to Olmert. "Believe me, there’s never been a flight like this in history. Everything’s going great. If it continues like this, it’ll be spectacular."[40]
>When the first Yas’ur (CH-53 Sea Stallion) helicopter took off, after unloading its soldiers, it was hit by a missile and burst into flames and the crew of five was killed instantly. The helicopter was probably shot down with a shoulder-fired, infrared guided SA-7 missile. Five Israeli crew members were killed, including two senior officers and Sgt.-Maj. Keren Tendler, the only female IDF soldier to die in the war.
>The Bmaryamin landing was supposed to be the largest heliborne operation in the history of the IDF. After the downing of the helicopter it was apparent that the landing zone had been compromised and that Hizbullah had prepared ambushes in the area. Headquarters decided to call off further landings. Paratroop commander Col. Hagai Mordechai was ordered not to proceed to the target but to abort the mission and hide at the landing zone until next nightfall. More than 200 Paratroopers had landed safely and Mordechai deemed this to be sufficient to carry out the original orders. Instead a precious 24 hours were lost. The next night the mission was again aborted, this time apparently by direct orders from the Prime Minister. Mordechai told an Israeli reporter: "I didn’t think that at this age I’d find myself hiding in the bushes,"[41] The paratroopers were never given the opportunity to carry out their assignments. The ceasefire was to take effect at 8 AM the following morning. The paratroopers instead used the darkness of the night and started withdrawing on foot to Israeli territory.
>, it was hit by a missile and burst into flames and the crew of five was killed instantly. The helicopter was probably shot down with a shoulder-fired, infrared guided SA-7 missile
again, 17 years ago. today, 3 months of fighting and hezbollah has shotdown exactly zero helicopters. it's alsmost like a lot has changed in nearly 2 decades
They have no chance, Israel military is unstoppable. In small scale conflict Israeli military could even defeat US
>US/Britain have lost against the Houthis because they didn't wipe out 100% of them in a single strike
>Israel will lose against Hezbollah because of an older conflict that doesn't reflect the modern forces on each side and ignores Israel taking out a similar threat rather easily
Why are brownoids like this? They just perpetually try to claim they're winning even if they get the shit kicked out of them. They simply don't seem to stop trying to cope and gloat until they're dead it seems.
what really gets me is the fact that they're ignoring the massive losses hezbollah has taken in the past 3 months alone. 163 dead. they have the nearly 200 dead from skirmishes alone. how do they cope with this fact.
I think they believe it too. I would genuinely study brown psychology in depth if I was able
>What are Hezbollah's capabilities for resisting an Israel invasion force?
Substantial, plus the capability to destroy most of northern Lebanon, the oil refineries and port in Haifa, etc.
This is the reason Israel has not dared touch Lebanon besides pin prick attacks in response to harassment.
Pretty sure Israel still has plenty of Arrow-3 in reserve. The majority of Hezbollah’s ordnance is dumb rockets like Hamas with a handful of actual ballistic missiles.
>Pretty sure Israel still has plenty of Arrow-3 in reserve.
They have 0% probability of intercepting barrages of several thousand 122 mm and larger rockets and missiles simultaneously.
They can barely manage the improvised fireworks in Gaza.
Hezbollah is Iran's check mate over Israel.
Hamas’ mass rocket barrages didn’t do jack shit. The reason why Hamas and Hezbollah stockpiled rockets in the thousands is because their accuracy is ass and rarely even hit in the same postal code they’re aiming at.
You're also making a huge assumption that Iron Dome is exhausted.
most projecties headed for high value targets will get intercepted. some will go through and they'll do some damaged of course. but ask yourself what lebanon, particularly beruit, will look like after they do some damage to israel.
hamas killed less than 2000 israeli and did some damage to a few sites in israel. look at gaza now and the number of palestinians dead. that will be the fate of lebanon. hezbollah understands this. that's why their best response has been mostly hitting sites and comms infastructure. only killing like 10 israeli soldiers
No one is denying that Israel can turn the (Christian) city of Beirut to dust, but relentless terror bombing campaigns don't win you wars or win you invasions and Hezbollah are still conducting strikes from across the border despite significant Israeli surveillance and presence.
> Hezbollah are still conducting strikes from across the border despite significant Israeli surveillance and presence.
Of course they are. That’s why Israel wants to push the further north. That’s the only way to stop the strikes. Surveillance and “presence” won’t stop small scales strikes on such a long border
even at the worst case scenario of israeli air defenses only being able to protect strategic infrastructure
israel has a whole lot more firepower, from artillery, to rocket artillery, to their navy(as all the major southern towns are on the med sea) to the and finally to their airforce
beirut will look like gaza city if not worse
and that's not even considering their current situation, on a brink of a collapse.
>we may lose in an invasion, but we'll flatten your capital!!!!!!!
you were talking about rocket fire
i put some proportions onto it
literally nothing compared to what israel can do
and if anything the vast and open southern lebanon, israeli armor will have much easier time fighting than in the dense urban gaza city
>and if anything the vast and open southern lebanon, israeli armor will have much easier time fighting than in the dense urban gaza city
>A column of 24 Merkava tanks from the 401st Brigade advanced westward from the area of Tayyiba and when it entered the wadi, it was attacked from all sides, including from the rear near Odaisseh that had been thought to have been under IDF control for several days. The Hizbullah had prepared an ambush from hidden positions on the hilltops. The tanks were attacked by missiles, probably of the Kornet type.[8] Eleven of the tanks were hit and several went up in flames.[49] Eight tankers, including two company commanders, and four Nahal infantry men died in the initial battle of Sulouqi.[50] Hizbullah fighters used ATGMs, small-arms fire, and mortars to suppress the Nahal Brigade, preventing them from providing effective infantry support for the armor forces.[51] Timur Göksel, the former chief spokesperson for UNIFIL later commented that "anyone dumb enough to push a tank column through Wadi Saluki should not be an armored brigade commander but a cook."[51]
congratulations a successful ambush
goalpost moved once again
oh and to put it into perspective again israel lost 5 tanks during that entire war(actually 4 since one of them was repaired not so long ago)
The roar of an Islamic lion echoes through valleys of southern Lebanon. The IDF lined up among ambushes, grass carp and boulders rolling on their heads, and enter particularly well-defended choke points. Morale will be very low as thousands of deadly rockets screaming fall from the sky and fire at Israeli convoys and bases.
>AHAHAHAHA YOU ARE NOT KILLING ME AS FAST AS I DECIDE YOU SHOULD HAVE KILLED ME I WIN
Total turdworlder death
The 2006 invasion was a total failure by the IDF's own admission schizo-kun.
2006 was 18 years ago, that's older than you.
The 2006 war was a Pyrrhic victory for Hezbollah. They lost so many men and so much materiel that they still haven't fully recovered. It's the main reason they didn't take advantage of the confusion in October and strike a massive blow against Israel.
>The 2006 war was a Pyrrhic victory for Hezbollah.
It was a total victory what are you talking about. The IDF invaded planning to completely completely destroy Hezbollah yet they were repulsed within a few days due to heavy casualties.
Yea, uh huh. The reason why the left thousands of troops behind enemy lines was because of the UN and not because they wanted the war to end as quickly as possible.
Because they realized the deficiencies the ISF was suffering and basically got cheated by the UN. Of course they would be bitter about it.
>Go from trying to exterminate Israel to gloating over not being fully exterminated by Israel
Imagine being brown and muslim lmfao
I mentioned /k/ thinking israel will win in a /misc/ thread before, I might've caused a raid hence the post quality. I forgot how fricking obnoxious and invasive they are
>His entire cope is "Yeah well you massacred us but we got you a few times" on repeat
massacring civilians is easy even the Tigrays could do it
Even Hamas too
>videos from day 1 are all he has after months of beatdown
You realize posting this only shows how weak palestinians are, right?
Come on anonberg we all know theres been plenty since then. Guys just reliving the glory day
https://desuarchive.org/k/search/filename/nakba%20ceasefire.jpg/