What AK should I buy if I would like to get at least 1.5 MOA with FMJ handloads? That's what I shoot for with my ARs and I'd like to achieve parity of accuracy with an AK.
What AK should I buy if I would like to get at least 1.5 MOA with FMJ handloads?
Not an AK
Is it not possible? I thought the whole "AKs are inherently innacurate" was a myth.
it is, buy a saiga or an arsenal
I'm getting mixed signals here. What kind of accuracy can you expect from a decent AK with good Ammo?
My 5.56 Saiga shoots over 3 at 100 yards.
But of course I've only ever fed it bulk Jooshit M193 and just have a SIG red dot on a rear sight rail so IDK if I'm doing the most for it.
You really should try some nice match ammo with the thing, like some Black Hills or something, see what kind of groups you can really get with that that rifle, you can probably get it to like 2.5
Fundamentals of marksmanship also matter, of course.
Doubling on what I said before, I have shot 1.2 MOA consistently with an off-the-shelf WASR-10, and it doesn’t matter what you put on the rifle, it will never replace learning the base capabilities of the rounds you’re feeding into it and acquiring rifleman skills that will carry you across all rifles you use, but especially learning ironsights.
people underestimate how much ammo actually matters. I went from shooting 3 moa to 1.5 simply after changing to shooting my own reloads.
I went the opposite direction with my AR-10 lmfao. I know what the issue is though, BL-C(2) meters like shit with my Lee Auto-Drum (variation of ~1 grain) so I'm just gonna measure the charges out by hand with my scale from now on.
1.5 MOA with an AK is just not really doable. Best I can do for an accurate long stroke is an SG550.
no. Most companies are simply not manufacturing rifles to be that accurate. 3 MOA is the expectation.
That's disappointing. What about an ACE?
Handloads is a good start, because a lot of people shoot only steelcase garbage and assume that's as good as it gets with an AK.
I would suggest a Vepr or an Arsenal
They're not sniper's rifles or anything, but people really exaggerate due to a bias towards the shittiest ammo imaginable and the curvy trajectory of 7.62x39mm.
You should be able to get below 3MOA if you handload for a nice one.
Ak's follow the old standard of "minute of man" accuracy. Every cold war era rifle did, even the m16. 2-4 moa is considered acceptable standard.
Handloads or quality factory ammo. Brand new chrome barrel and compensator.
Of course nothing will beat good rifleman skills. 1.5 MOA is definitely pushing its limits, but it is doable if you put your mind to it and are willing to practice.
For what it's worth OP I've heard over the years that golden tiger is about the best commercial bulk ammo available in terms of accuracy and consistency, although it's been a long time since I've shopped x39 ammo, and back then it was always sold out. I'm still shooting off the massive stockpile of Tula I bought years ago for my SKS/Saiga, but I'm also just dicking around shooting whatever, I don't expect precision
just throwing this out there my Gen 1 Galil Ace would shoot sub 1 moa with Hornady hunting ammo was .308 tho
Good to know, thanks. I have actually been kinda eyeing the ACE and I've also kinda been wanting some kind of 308 battle rifle. I might have to look into this.
Between those two, for the money you’d do much better in .308. You’ll have much more consistent groupings with that bullet velocity at greater distances versus trying to squeeze more range out of x39.
>t. WASR-10 and PTR-91 owner.
They are g2g, gen 2s kinda suck because they remove the nice front sight in exchange for meme rails.
The ACE is nice, but I think they're kind of overpriced too. If you can get a deal on one it'd be worth it. Put the oldschool Galil folding stock on the thing and it looks pretty sexy.
you buy a valmet or you buy one of them crazy aks by creative arms or acutek.
also my m90 in 556 will supposedly shoot 2 moa all day, but really, I'm not capable of testing that. that's what internet people say.
Valmets are nice but being so collectible they are also very expensive, also the .223 and .308 ones have impossible to find magazines which are really expensive.