>True. However it achieved strategic value in result after tens of thousands russians decided to die for it.
>And it achieved completely opposite of all of that.
>Vagner was used to a status of "favorite kid" receiving increased support and supply through a cahoots of its leader with military commander of the tim (Surovikin), when commander changed and vagner got the same treatment as others it turned out that their performance is extremely subpar and they are, in fact, just a grift leeches on body of russian military
>True
>They did this to themselves and have the audacity to blame others in it
>It's not that serious, but it would be fun to watch.
>It always worked in favor of Ukraine despite them having magnitude less of ammunition, "absence of ammunition" is just a cope, prigozhin demands 1/3 of total russian shells supply for himself, any monkey could take this shitty town with such a supply, if anything such demands just show how utterly inefficient fagner is and that simply disposing of them would be right way of action for russian military command
>What's off to finish there? You begun this from a statement that it was a meatgrinder, not a conquest.
>They both are mixed everywhere and always in change, there's vagner on flanks and there's regulars in the town
>Prigozhin just lives off the public stunts because he lacks the power inside of the actual bureaucratic apparatus, his statements are valued null
>That's implies that system is completely broken
>Ok
>It's a battlefield and you fight for russia, if they don't do something most often they just can't
>They would not receive it, because there's not enough ammunition russia and there's gonna be only less in the future. You just fought like a complete moron, wasting all your resources like there's no tomorrow, but tomorrow came and you reaping the consequences
Russia has stopped paying salaries for government employees in Zaporzhia lol
What a fucking mess. If Wagner lose Bakhmut because the Russian soldiers fucked up their flanks they are going to literally behead them. A mini Russia civil war inside that front.
Prigozhin lies. It was Wagner that ran away and exposed flanks of regular military unit. Wagner is running out of people with combat experience, and they fail to maintain discipline in their hobo infantry units.
Jokes aside, Wagner's "success" was based on puppeteering the units of low-quality disposable recruits during the assault actions by professional mercenaries with the help of drones, artillery support and detailed inflexible instructions for every move. In theory this is great: nobody cares about casualties, you can just send wave after wave, modifying the route based on failed performances. Sooner or later any position is going to be overrun under constant pressure of repeated assaults. The problem is when your "professionals" have to participate personally in urban combat, suffer casualties and there is not enough people to herd the convicts. And convicts are fucking useless, because they have no motivation to react to threats on their own.
I fucking knew it. I FUCKING KNEW IT. I knew that they were going to claim that it was them that definitely lead Ukraine into a slaughter and not the other way around, and that Bakhmut has no importance at all and they were just attacking it for no reason despite MONTHS of them saying that it would be vital in the region to take. How do you even defend Russia at this point?
>our flanks are threatened and ukraine is preparing an offensive, send ammunition
A TOTAL COLLAPSE! MOSCOW IN 3 DAYS!!!
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>still hasn't taken bakhmut fully >one tank in parade
cope and seethe
4 weeks ago
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>hysterics in 3 minutes!
you will never be a woman, even acting thus.
4 weeks ago
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you think that will stop him from trying?
4 weeks ago
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>Ramzan Kadyrov is my husbando
What did he mean by this?
4 weeks ago
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another ethnic Russian broken by the cock of the ethnic minority BVLL
Russia is very trad and will save evropa btw
4 weeks ago
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>Orthodox christian >russian femboy
Wait, does the Orthodoxy actually support this kind of degeneracy?
4 weeks ago
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They're attention seekers so they just do everything. They want to be "trad" to appeal to some, sexy femboy to others, etc.
4 weeks ago
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Russian Orthodoxy is anything but Russian or Orthodox.
4 weeks ago
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Not at all. Orthodoxy is pretty much the only denomination of Christianity that actively tells gays they will burn if they keep it up.
4 weeks ago
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While actively supporting and encouraging dedovshchina.
4 weeks ago
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>that actively tells gays they will burn
as in, burn in hell?
isn't orthodox stance that heaven and hell are the same place, and the difference between them only is perception of god's love? like, heaven is like being at family reunion and enjoying it, and hell is being that angsty shut-in teen for whom interaction with family is nothing but torture?
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>trans >femboy
doesnt even make sense.
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>A TOTAL COLLAPSE! MOSCOW IN 3 DAYS!!!
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>IF BAHKMUT FALLS WE WILL MARCH STRAGHT TO KYIV >IF WE LOSE BAHKMUT THEY WILL GET TO MOSCOW
Lmao it was all projection.
4 weeks ago
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"if"
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>hysteroid vatnik post >X in 3 days
What is the tactical advantage of self-humiliation with own failures?
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What ever happened to Karlin. I know he posted some 40k shit after the Kherson goodwill gesture.
Imagine being so delusional and desperate that you disregard direct quotes from the leader of the group fighting there.
But no, I'm sure other cum/chug/gers know so much more about the situation at Bakhmut than Prigozhin himself.
I am unironically waiting for the first brainlet copium addict to chime in with something like "Prigozhin has a well-known pro-NATO bias" or something.
>no ammunition nor weapons but still bombard ukranian positions and advance deep into their territory
I didn't realize cat shelters, grocery stores, and kid schools were Ukrainian army positions!
two weeks of what? ukranian army has no more motivated men, they are literally conscripting zoomers and old men to fight
its over for ukrainian army, they couldnt organise a small scale counter-attack anymore
4 weeks ago
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We've hit the point where I can't figure out if this is a legitimate vatnik shill or ironic
4 weeks ago
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We've hit it a year ago. Vatnik shilling was so intense and vivid that first false flag baits began to pop up mere month in the conflict.
4 weeks ago
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Oh they were here the very first day, claiming it would take just a few days at worst.
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I'm pretty sure most people felt that way, including people who weren't happy about it. The initial "rational" Western reaction to the news "Russia launches full scale invasion of Ukraine" was >Well that fucking blows, good luck with your insurgency guys, I'm sure Russia will fuck off from the capital in like a decade
4 weeks ago
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Do you honestly believe that? Stop huffing russian propaganda
https://i.imgur.com/3gqbu79.jpg
>source:
I wouldn't worry about it :^)
I've been hearing this cope since last summer.
You must be a bunch of newfags tourists if you believe that shitty bait lol
4 weeks ago
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It's hard to tell with vatniks
4 weeks ago
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I'm not any of those people but this late into the embarrassment of the russian state I will take bait just to have some kind of opposition
4 weeks ago
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Do you honestly believe that? Stop huffing russian propaganda
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>source:
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I wouldn't worry about it :^)
4 weeks ago
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I've been hearing this cope since last summer.
4 weeks ago
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Zoomers and old men hace been terribly efficient at driving Bradleys and Leo2s.
4 weeks ago
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Zoomers and old men that would (and do)still absolutely curbstomp mobiks.
basically this.
If every single russian on this planet would die tomorrow nothing would change except the percentage of HIV infected people in all nations bordering russia.
1 Just declare them "Disarmed Enemy Combatants" using the designation that Stalin, Churchill and Eisenhower used to get around the Geneva Convention when deliberately starving captives to death.
2 PMCs are not subject to the Laws of Land Warfare and are not considered legitimate personnel.
>don't pay your officials >your officials start selling of state property to make up the difference
Unironically this is 90% of the reason Russia is and has since the time of the Mongols been a shithole.
Stopped paying them when? May 1st? If so, why's this only being reported now? Wages are usually paid out at the end/start of the month or maybe on the 15th if it's bi-weekly. What's with this timing?
ITT: People falling for a reverse-psy op. The city is worthless, the stakes are retaking Ukraine's internationally recognized UN borders while Russia keeps Sevastopol.
>Russia keeps Sevastopol.
This isn't gonna happen. A few years from now it won't even be safe to be a Russian TOURIST in Sevastopol. Kerch bridge will be a memory.
1. Russia made it a big deal. Retreating would be humiliating.
2. If they wanted to take the rest of the Donbass, the city is the first step. If they retreat it's to admit that they will never take the rest of the Donbass.
3. Putin's "off-ramp" was likely to get all the donbass, then sue for a cease-fire. Ukraine would be so battered they'd have to accept, and Russia would keep much of the territory they occupy.
1. The media made it a big deal, they're sending convicts because the regular army doesn't want to go there.
2. They can wait before taking it, Putin at the very least wants to make the war as cheap as possible.
3. Putin didn't just get the Donbass, this is Novorussia from 2014, and he's waiting for the west to stop caring and public opinion to turn against their leaders.
>we didn't want Kherson, it was a strategic position to retreat from that we totally didn't say we wanted several times so we could successfully evac troops from Karkiv and Kherson, which we also said we wanted but now don't because we lost them
holy fucking shit lmao where is that cat when you need him!
>ITT: People falling for a reverse-psy op.
Sorry spunknik, we have memories uninhibited by krokodil and vodka poisoning, we remember more than a week back
Ukraine will be a mile from reclaiming its prewar borders and you will be claiming it was about maintaining that mile. You know that vranyo only works if we both play along, right?
>The city is worthless, the stakes are retaking Ukraine's internationally recognized UN borders while Russia keeps Sevastopol
lol
lmao
so much for 'maybe there will be some western ukraine left as a rump state after russia is done with them'
>14 months hence, russia tried to surround Kyiv >today the SMO's objective is revealed: protecting Sevastopol, which while unmolested prior to the invasion has been dealing with disrupted logistics from the evisceration of the kerch strait bridge and the destruction of its oil reserves and local refineries
i am in awe at the strategic genius on display
>Bakhmut was needed in order to [...] grind the enemy's manpower
Shouldn't they have done that by defending a town that they already controlled, since defenders have an advantage?
>since defenders have an advantage?
defenders don't magically always have the advantage. I'd rather be outside the city bombarding it than inside the city getting bombarded.
Would you prefer to be the light infantry attacking fortified positions to identify targets though? Or the follow up force occupying abandoned positions full of mines?
That was the case in spring of 2022, Popasna etc. UA has strong artillery forces around bahmut providing counter battery and support. It's no longer a one sided affair
No joke is this the beginning of the end? The 1 tank parade and Prigozhin freaking out points to something really serious. Then hints like them evacuating positions, not paying people, etc.
Are they preparing to evacuate the military from Bakhmut and Zaphoritsa? That would be utterly catastrophic.
They have clear defensive lines, and Crimea is over water. So I can't see them just making some mad dash. Instead this could be the beginning of the end - encirclement and pullout of Bakhmut, and a Zaphoristia front collapse. That would at least put the road from there to Crimea under attack, and make logistics to there MUCH harder. As in, this won't end the war, but this would be the beginning of the end. It'd take another year and a few more counter-offensives to win fully.
>Ukraine losing the Donbas
You understand that Donbass is giant and that Ukraine is holding 40% of Donetsk region? How the fuck Ukraine is going to lose Kramatorsk, Vuhledar or Slovyansk
Donbas has a fuckload of natural resources though. Some people were saying *one of* the reasons all this shit happened is large lithium deposits, more than in the entirety of russia
But geographically yes it's whatever
Russia cares more about Crimea. If they lose Crimea it's something that could be the end of Putin since it'd be such a loss of face. Russia cares about:
>land bridge to Crimea >oil/gas in east Ukraine >Crimea >denying these to Ukraine >grabbing as much of the coast-line to strangle Ukraine.
>Crimea is over water
It's not an island, either literally or metaphorically. Crimea has repeatedly fallen to land armies in history, it's not that hard to take.
I mean not literally, but the land-bridge connecting them is very tiny and easy to defend. Taking Crimea would be very difficult. An outright amphibeous assault is out of the question for Ukraine.
Which is why the thinking that they won't take it but starve them out. Destroy the bridge, destroy the road/rail to access it, cut off their water. They will have a nice safe prison where they will just not be able to supply the troops or feed them all. What will they do? They will either hold until they break, or be forced to retreat.
It’s hilarious seeing Russians memory hole the fact that Rossiya originally intended to annex all of Ukraine and force a regime change.
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meh I still think Putin's overall idea was to have the breakaway states ensure that Ukraine becomes a Moldova 2.0 that is a democracy but an inherently dysfunctional one that cannot join the Western block nor even enter a period of Finlandisation
4 weeks ago
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>Ukraine becomes a Moldova 2.0
Moldova was going to be invaded straight after ukraine. Followed with attacking and occupying the baltic state as the next big invasion
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Also friendly reminder that Kyiv is 150 Km from the border with Belarus.
>I mean not literally, but the land-bridge connecting them is very tiny and easy to defend.
Modern weapons means the defenders face similar issues to the attackers. Not a lot of room to maneuver, place fortifications or artillery means that they are more easily hit. And Ukraine has longer ranged fires.
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If there's one thing I could trust Russia to do, it would be to defend that little land bridge. It'd be a kill-zone for attackers coming it. Not recommended. The "starve them out" plan makes more sense.
>Crow about "muh Bakhmut" for like a year >"we didn't need it anyways"
If this was a parody it would be called unrealistic
I'm reading between the lines, and I think Wagner is looking for excuses to withdraw from Bakhmut but without taking blame for it. We could see a quick collapse there soon.
>About 100,000 Russian soldiers have died in the battle to capture Bakhmut, a Ukrainian general has claimed. Col Serhiy Cherevaty, the spokesperson for the eastern group of the armed forces of Ukraine, told Ukrainian TV they were “rough calculations”. He said: “I am sure that further verification will only show an increase in this number. This is natural as the enemy uses the so-called meat assaults as the main method of waging war.”
History has shown that Crimea is nowhere near impossible to invade.
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Its a better killzone for defenders though.
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>About 100,000 Russian soldiers have died in the battle to capture Bakhmut.
I'm taking those numbers with a massive grain of salt, but assuming its anything even remotely close to that...
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100k casualties is probable, 100k kia not as much
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even differentiating casualties from fatalities, Jesus fucking Christ this really is a Russian genocide as much as it is an attempt at a Ukrainian one.
4 weeks ago
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All the estimates of Russia collapsing as a state in the 2050's are going to have to be moved up a few decades.
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https://i.imgur.com/bv3D6tn.png
>About 100,000 Russian soldiers have died in the battle to capture Bakhmut.
I'm taking those numbers with a massive grain of salt, but assuming its anything even remotely close to that...
Worth noting that by all accounts Russia have somehow turned the fucking KIA/WIA ratio back into the fucking Napoleonic Wars
My jaw dropped all the way back in month two when they announced (then unannounced) 9,500 dead and 16,000 wounded, not because either of those numbers are implausible by themselves but because viewed in direct relation to each other those numbers are incomprehensible
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I would hope, on the most optimistic basis, that they simply don't count guys with a bullet hole in their arm or a few chunks of shrapnel peppering them like birdshot as wounded, they just pat 'em on the back and say "Get back in there comrade"
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>My jaw dropped all the way back in month two when they announced (then unannounced) 9,500 dead and 16,000 wounded, not because either of those numbers are implausible by themselves but because viewed in direct relation to each other those numbers are incomprehensible
I went ahead and looked up how wounded to killed should look in a modern military.
God, it must be grim on the Russian side.
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If there's one thing I could trust Russia to do, it would be to defend that little land bridge. It'd be a kill-zone for attackers coming it. Not recommended. The "starve them out" plan makes more sense.
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I'm reading between the lines, and I think Wagner is looking for excuses to withdraw from Bakhmut but without taking blame for it. We could see a quick collapse there soon.
>About 100,000 Russian soldiers have died in the battle to capture Bakhmut, a Ukrainian general has claimed. Col Serhiy Cherevaty, the spokesperson for the eastern group of the armed forces of Ukraine, told Ukrainian TV they were “rough calculations”. He said: “I am sure that further verification will only show an increase in this number. This is natural as the enemy uses the so-called meat assaults as the main method of waging war.”
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Worth noting that by all accounts Russia have somehow turned the fucking KIA/WIA ratio back into the fucking Napoleonic Wars
My jaw dropped all the way back in month two when they announced (then unannounced) 9,500 dead and 16,000 wounded, not because either of those numbers are implausible by themselves but because viewed in direct relation to each other those numbers are incomprehensible
They wanted to assault a large heavily fortified military position with massed infantry frontal infiltration tactics, they get the casualties massed infantry doing frontal infiltration tactics on heavily fortified positions get. Look up Khe Sanh if you want to see the casualty rates you get doing that communist bullshit.
Crimea is nonnegotiable for Russia and any pre-2022 Ukrainian clay is nonnegotiable for the yooks too. I don't think there is a realistic political settlement. Both sides think they can win so there's very little reason to entertain things like that. Militarily Russia cannot take Donbas with what it currently has without another wave of mobilization and even then it will take years given the state of their current equipment. Crimea is also a pretty tough grab for Ukraine. I have good faith in their training and abilities and they've shown multiple times to curbstomp vatniks but this would be a tall order even for them.
The only way it could work is that if Ukraine lost so many soldiers, and civillians, and they'd be so exhausted that they will accept a cease fire (not a peace treaty). But Ukraine isn't at that position and they still feel they have the advantage.
It’s hilarious seeing Russians memory hole the fact that Rossiya originally intended to annex all of Ukraine and force a regime change.
Yes, they were bargaining less and less. It's never 100% clear if they were gonna annex all of Ukraine, or just leave a rump state with a new regime and then take over Donbass and Crimea fully.
>without another wave of mobilization
They also can't arm another wave of mobilization, it would do absolutely nothing for them. Human wave tactics don't work.
any Ukrainian PM that accepts such a deal in the next few years is toast by morning, it'll take a massive war exhaustion effort to convince the Ukrainian population to part ways with Crimea, let alone the Donbass.
This war only ends when the Russian regime crumbles into decay
Crimea is worth FAR more to Russia than the Donbass for historical reasons just as much as practical ones. If the Russians lose Crimea then they lose their only warm-water port which is something the Russians have had massive 'tism about for literal centuries.
Man, just look at fucking map. Russians have a bunch of ports in Russia proper with access to Black Sea. All those retarded takes about warm ports are from 18th century when Caucasus was controlled by Ottomans.
>If the Russians lose Crimea then they lose their only warm-water port which is something the Russians have had massive 'tism about for literal centuries.
They have the port of Novorossisk on the mainland so no, you are wrong. Americans and geographical knowledge are two things that do not go hand in hand. Russia wants Sevastopol in order to deny it to USN.
If you mean Ukraine recapturing Zapporizhia and destroying the Kerch bridge, then getting Crimea when the troops there run out of supplies, but being unable to push Russia out of the Donbas due to its better connections to the Russian rail network, then I think you might be right
But it's too early to say for sure
Long range missiles aimed at railway transformer farms will do the trick to seizing up rail logistics for ziggers.
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I don't know if they could keep up the necessary pressure to properly shut down logistics, but its certainly a possibility
That being said, assuming the railway maps I hastily googled where accurate, if they can push across northern Luhansk they might be able to shell the internal Russian lines and cut the rest of the Donbas off from rail supply
Maybe a simultaneous offensive in Luhansk and Zapporizhia?
>russian military degraded to a state that makes holding border aglomerations impossible
Why shouldn't take both Crimea and Donetsk in this situation? Russians don't deserve these lands anyway.
>Crimea is over water
It's not an island, either literally or metaphorically. Crimea has repeatedly fallen to land armies in history, it's not that hard to take.
>The 1 tank parade
That really convinced me that something was extremely wrong. There is NO way, they'd only parade one tank if they had any other choice. This was their chance to go "This war? It doesn't matter to Russia at all" and they blew it completely.
>due to the reduction in personnel, PMC Wagner was forced to transfer the flanks to the military
what awful timing for a downsizing, I wonder what happened.
>so the Russians make a beeline for Kiev and start sieging the city, then the Ukrainians launch a counteroffensive and the Russians abandon all their tanks and run all the way back to the border? Come on, at least make them fight a little or it's not even a war movie.
>the pride of the Black Sea Fleet, getting sunk by two missiles from a country with no navy? >come one, this is just jingoistic, Russophobic propaganda, they wouldn't actually be THAT incompetent
>I am a neutral youtuber. btw Russia and their allies have never done anything wrong. NATO is the devil themselves!
How do people fall for these guys? A few tens of thousands a year is all it takes to buy off "independent" commentators nowadays. Would you become a Putin shill for 30K a year?
Recordings of his phone calls with Rotenberg (one of Putin's gnomish childhood friends-oligarchs) where he talks about a plot by a group of oligarchs and siloviks to remove Shoigu and place him as the MoD and Surovikin as the chief of general staff. So, he poopoos everything to gain Putin's favor. That would be awesome. He is a retarded thief and deranged fool. It would be jackpot for Ukrainians if he is successful.
Rogozin is the least competent, most prone to hysterics, and most corrupt Russian official period. I know some people think that’s not true but if you’ve followed his career it’s obvious.
But he’s super far out of Putin’s favor. That became obvious when after he was “promoted” out of Roscosmos, the new head 180’d every statement and policy dickless dimi had made
He made a documentary about why Serbia was wrongly attacked in the 90s by NATO
he cope.
I hope he made a video about the recent event at the south of Bakmut
His Vuhledar video was rather entertaining >Ukrainians screaming in a Football math, like they are in the final of the world cup. >VUHLEDAR!!! >VUHLEDAR!!! >Russians tanks explode while driving over mines.
!!!!!!!
Part of the problem of ending this war is Putin has been banging the drum that a defeat in Ukraine means general catastrophe for Russia, like NATO will gather up literally everyone in Moscow and take them to the Hague sort of stuff. He's done a decent job at making folks conflate the consequences of defeat for him personally with the consequences of defeat for Russia. Not sure how you go about untangling that knot.
He'll need scapegoats aplenty. Suppressing old reruns of his doomsday speeches will be easy enough within Russia itself, and lying to look tough is par for the course. Someone has to fall though, and if it's not Putin, then it will have to be others in the high ranks. Putin has every reason to be paranoid, because there's no doubt a lot of oligarchs and officials who have drawn the same conclusion from the other end of the equation.
Realistically, you can’t. People believe what they’re told over and over again. You’d need months of NATO propaganda piped directly into the brain of every Moscovite to even begin undoing the damage.
Most realistically, you start talking to dissatisfied elements in Russian leadership and promise whatever they want in exchange for Putin and his circle to get the ol’ Hispanicy juice.
Don't read too much into this, I think they've just decided prigozhin and Wagner are more trouble than theyre worth and are using the Ukrainians to eliminate them as a potential political faction by not giving them ammo and not letting them retreat. They may consider Bakhmut already a lost cause depending on what they know about the Ukrainians counter offensive, if they can blame Wagner entirely for the loss of the city so much the better.
Really fucked up. Wagner's share of supplies is being sent elsewhere now, I'm curious if that'll be an improvement.
Isn't Wagner Russia's only battle experienced troops at this stage. It feels like the rest of the army hasn't done anything since retreating from Kherson. How are all those fresh draftees going to cope?
And the last horse FINALLY crosses the finish line. Imagine what the Armed Forces of Russia could do if they came to such conclusions six months quicker.
Years from now there will one holdout barricaded on 5th floor like the Japanese soldiers on remote islands who refused to surrender until years after the war ended. >We know you've been raiding vending machines in the 3rd floor break room at night. If you don't give up, we're going to stop restocking them.
This has to be some psy-op/trap by Russia, no way are they suddenly collapsing considering the massive numerical advantage, endless Soviet-era reserves and the slave-like mentality of vatniks letting them run factories without paying any salaries.
>Bakhmut has no strategic importance
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We tried to warn you
The humiliation of Russia is reaching a peak for me. Are we just going to watch this war drag on for the next 5 years? Until Russia’s military is degraded to the point where they are physically unable to even defend their own borders, this war will drag on. Russian leadership is banan brained and wouldn’t negotiate unless put in chains and forced to. Ukrainians continue to ride victory after victory and have no reason to stop. The only real factors are: a) how much support Ukraine gets and b) whether Putin really puts nukes on the table. I wish the West would get off their ass and actually supply Ukraine as if they intended to win.
https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1656336297353691138
>True. However it achieved strategic value in result after tens of thousands russians decided to die for it.
>And it achieved completely opposite of all of that.
>Vagner was used to a status of "favorite kid" receiving increased support and supply through a cahoots of its leader with military commander of the tim (Surovikin), when commander changed and vagner got the same treatment as others it turned out that their performance is extremely subpar and they are, in fact, just a grift leeches on body of russian military
>True
>They did this to themselves and have the audacity to blame others in it
>It's not that serious, but it would be fun to watch.
>It always worked in favor of Ukraine despite them having magnitude less of ammunition, "absence of ammunition" is just a cope, prigozhin demands 1/3 of total russian shells supply for himself, any monkey could take this shitty town with such a supply, if anything such demands just show how utterly inefficient fagner is and that simply disposing of them would be right way of action for russian military command
>What's off to finish there? You begun this from a statement that it was a meatgrinder, not a conquest.
>They both are mixed everywhere and always in change, there's vagner on flanks and there's regulars in the town
>Prigozhin just lives off the public stunts because he lacks the power inside of the actual bureaucratic apparatus, his statements are valued null
>That's implies that system is completely broken
>Ok
>It's a battlefield and you fight for russia, if they don't do something most often they just can't
>They would not receive it, because there's not enough ammunition russia and there's gonna be only less in the future. You just fought like a complete moron, wasting all your resources like there's no tomorrow, but tomorrow came and you reaping the consequences
What a fucking mess. If Wagner lose Bakhmut because the Russian soldiers fucked up their flanks they are going to literally behead them. A mini Russia civil war inside that front.
Prigozhin lies. It was Wagner that ran away and exposed flanks of regular military unit. Wagner is running out of people with combat experience, and they fail to maintain discipline in their hobo infantry units.
>fail to maintain discipline
Ah, sanctions working as intended. There's no way to rape that many men in the ass without regular shipments of viagra.
Jokes aside, Wagner's "success" was based on puppeteering the units of low-quality disposable recruits during the assault actions by professional mercenaries with the help of drones, artillery support and detailed inflexible instructions for every move. In theory this is great: nobody cares about casualties, you can just send wave after wave, modifying the route based on failed performances. Sooner or later any position is going to be overrun under constant pressure of repeated assaults. The problem is when your "professionals" have to participate personally in urban combat, suffer casualties and there is not enough people to herd the convicts. And convicts are fucking useless, because they have no motivation to react to threats on their own.
Prigo is only one man and there are so many ripe, twink Russian asses to go through.
Is there an mp4 of Priggy's new cope rant?
Is bakhmut actually ending bros? It feels like there has always been a battle of bakhmut, there's no way it will actually end.
We can keep bakhmut going filthy frogposter. We just need to supply wagner with 7000 shells.
Per day.
I fucking knew it. I FUCKING KNEW IT. I knew that they were going to claim that it was them that definitely lead Ukraine into a slaughter and not the other way around, and that Bakhmut has no importance at all and they were just attacking it for no reason despite MONTHS of them saying that it would be vital in the region to take. How do you even defend Russia at this point?
Nobody was being ground in Bakhmut except for ziggers
Who is the author?
pigorzhin
Prigozhin
Hunter Biden
Russia has stopped paying salaries for government employees in Zaporzhia lol
they stopped paying wages for government employees in Russia at the start of 2023
no ammunition nor weapons but still bombard ukranian positions and advance deep into their territory
so tru!!!!
Ukraine has advanced more the past week than Russia lol
oh yeah? on which front exactly? everything except donetsk front (bakhmut, avdeevka) are dead calm
Did you miss the 30 min rant of wagner head about their collapsed southern flank? lel
>our flanks are threatened and ukraine is preparing an offensive, send ammunition
A TOTAL COLLAPSE! MOSCOW IN 3 DAYS!!!
>still hasn't taken bakhmut fully
>one tank in parade
cope and seethe
>hysterics in 3 minutes!
you will never be a woman, even acting thus.
you think that will stop him from trying?
>Ramzan Kadyrov is my husbando
What did he mean by this?
another ethnic Russian broken by the cock of the ethnic minority BVLL
Russia is very trad and will save evropa btw
>Orthodox christian
>russian femboy
Wait, does the Orthodoxy actually support this kind of degeneracy?
They're attention seekers so they just do everything. They want to be "trad" to appeal to some, sexy femboy to others, etc.
Russian Orthodoxy is anything but Russian or Orthodox.
Not at all. Orthodoxy is pretty much the only denomination of Christianity that actively tells gays they will burn if they keep it up.
While actively supporting and encouraging dedovshchina.
>that actively tells gays they will burn
as in, burn in hell?
isn't orthodox stance that heaven and hell are the same place, and the difference between them only is perception of god's love? like, heaven is like being at family reunion and enjoying it, and hell is being that angsty shut-in teen for whom interaction with family is nothing but torture?
>trans
>femboy
doesnt even make sense.
>A TOTAL COLLAPSE! MOSCOW IN 3 DAYS!!!
>IF BAHKMUT FALLS WE WILL MARCH STRAGHT TO KYIV
>IF WE LOSE BAHKMUT THEY WILL GET TO MOSCOW
Lmao it was all projection.
"if"
>hysteroid vatnik post
>X in 3 days
What is the tactical advantage of self-humiliation with own failures?
What ever happened to Karlin. I know he posted some 40k shit after the Kherson goodwill gesture.
keep up retard
On the Bakhmut front dumbdumb
>no ammunition nor weapons but still bombard ukranian positions and advance deep into their territory
?
You just lost 3km today...it took Fagner months to take that kind of turf...
Imagine being so delusional and desperate that you disregard direct quotes from the leader of the group fighting there.
But no, I'm sure other cum/chug/gers know so much more about the situation at Bakhmut than Prigozhin himself.
Prigozhin literally said that wagner gained 100 meters of territory in bakhmut
>3km
lmao, what a nice number
i wonder, from which internet schizo-shithole did you get them from
From Wagner themselves you utter retard
>i wonder, from which internet schizo-shithole did you get them from
Prigozhin, take your meds
I think the putinbot is suffering a meltdown
Girkin confirmed the 3km loss...
Somehow its funny to me that since march 2022 Girkin has consistantly been the most accurate person on this war from either side.
I am unironically waiting for the first brainlet copium addict to chime in with something like "Prigozhin has a well-known pro-NATO bias" or something.
>no ammunition nor weapons but still bombard ukranian positions and advance deep into their territory
I didn't realize cat shelters, grocery stores, and kid schools were Ukrainian army positions!
>deep into their territory
Isn't Bakhmut like 100km from the border
so, it isnt ukranian territory anymore?
No, it isn't. Two more weeks it will be though. Screencap this
two weeks of what? ukranian army has no more motivated men, they are literally conscripting zoomers and old men to fight
its over for ukrainian army, they couldnt organise a small scale counter-attack anymore
We've hit the point where I can't figure out if this is a legitimate vatnik shill or ironic
We've hit it a year ago. Vatnik shilling was so intense and vivid that first false flag baits began to pop up mere month in the conflict.
Oh they were here the very first day, claiming it would take just a few days at worst.
I'm pretty sure most people felt that way, including people who weren't happy about it. The initial "rational" Western reaction to the news "Russia launches full scale invasion of Ukraine" was
>Well that fucking blows, good luck with your insurgency guys, I'm sure Russia will fuck off from the capital in like a decade
You must be a bunch of newfags tourists if you believe that shitty bait lol
It's hard to tell with vatniks
I'm not any of those people but this late into the embarrassment of the russian state I will take bait just to have some kind of opposition
Do you honestly believe that? Stop huffing russian propaganda
>source:
I wouldn't worry about it :^)
I've been hearing this cope since last summer.
Zoomers and old men hace been terribly efficient at driving Bradleys and Leo2s.
Zoomers and old men that would (and do)still absolutely curbstomp mobiks.
>advance
At a rate of what, 20 meters a day now?
>advance deep into their territory
Ukraine should announce that any Russian troops caught in the NPP will be subjected to summary execution.
War crime
Special operation crime*
Who gives a shit? Every vatmoron should be exterminated because of how much they hold the world back.
basically this.
If every single russian on this planet would die tomorrow nothing would change except the percentage of HIV infected people in all nations bordering russia.
1 Just declare them "Disarmed Enemy Combatants" using the designation that Stalin, Churchill and Eisenhower used to get around the Geneva Convention when deliberately starving captives to death.
2 PMCs are not subject to the Laws of Land Warfare and are not considered legitimate personnel.
That is unironically a war crime for any non-nuclear nation.
Yeah, let's make sure people fight to the death inside a npp.
they do it for free
>don't pay your officials
>your officials start selling of state property to make up the difference
Unironically this is 90% of the reason Russia is and has since the time of the Mongols been a shithole.
Stopped paying them when? May 1st? If so, why's this only being reported now? Wages are usually paid out at the end/start of the month or maybe on the 15th if it's bi-weekly. What's with this timing?
Because information doesn't become news immediately? Information travels...
Friendo, "delayed" wages were being reported on in May 2022.
It's just no longer considered news in Putin's Russia.
some ukie official said that russians are likely to make an other good will gesture soon. Funny coinsidences.
>Bakhmut has no strategic importance
Uhhhhh zisters? I thought it was supposed to be the gateway to Kiev?
ITT: People falling for a reverse-psy op. The city is worthless, the stakes are retaking Ukraine's internationally recognized UN borders while Russia keeps Sevastopol.
If Ukraine takes back the Donbass, the only thing supplying Crimea is the Kerch bridge
>Russia keeps Sevastopol.
This isn't gonna happen. A few years from now it won't even be safe to be a Russian TOURIST in Sevastopol. Kerch bridge will be a memory.
>The city is worthless,
1. Russia made it a big deal. Retreating would be humiliating.
2. If they wanted to take the rest of the Donbass, the city is the first step. If they retreat it's to admit that they will never take the rest of the Donbass.
3. Putin's "off-ramp" was likely to get all the donbass, then sue for a cease-fire. Ukraine would be so battered they'd have to accept, and Russia would keep much of the territory they occupy.
1. The media made it a big deal, they're sending convicts because the regular army doesn't want to go there.
2. They can wait before taking it, Putin at the very least wants to make the war as cheap as possible.
3. Putin didn't just get the Donbass, this is Novorussia from 2014, and he's waiting for the west to stop caring and public opinion to turn against their leaders.
>and he's waiting for the west to stop caring and public opinion to turn against their leaders.
How's that working out so far?
>two more years until the US forces Ukraine to declare Russia victorious
It's fucking delusional if they think the US will just get tired of supporting Ukraine. Nothing gets American blood up like a righteous cause.
>1. Russia made it a big deal. Retreating would be humiliating.
let's not pretend that Russians are strangers to humiliation
>we didn't want Kherson, it was a strategic position to retreat from that we totally didn't say we wanted several times so we could successfully evac troops from Karkiv and Kherson, which we also said we wanted but now don't because we lost them
holy fucking shit lmao where is that cat when you need him!
>ITT: People falling for a reverse-psy op.
Sorry spunknik, we have memories uninhibited by krokodil and vodka poisoning, we remember more than a week back
Ukraine will be a mile from reclaiming its prewar borders and you will be claiming it was about maintaining that mile. You know that vranyo only works if we both play along, right?
Its over..
Second Stage is UP...
Entire hohol army is trapped in Donbass...
the eyebrow is being raised
We need to zoom in further.
Sevastopol IS within Ukraine's internationally recognized borders anon.
this isn't 3D chess, this is real mental retardation
>we didn't want Bakhmut anyway
>The city is worthless, the stakes are retaking Ukraine's internationally recognized UN borders while Russia keeps Sevastopol
lol
lmao
so much for 'maybe there will be some western ukraine left as a rump state after russia is done with them'
>14 months hence, russia tried to surround Kyiv
>today the SMO's objective is revealed: protecting Sevastopol, which while unmolested prior to the invasion has been dealing with disrupted logistics from the evisceration of the kerch strait bridge and the destruction of its oil reserves and local refineries
i am in awe at the strategic genius on display
>Bakhmut was needed in order to [...] grind the enemy's manpower
Shouldn't they have done that by defending a town that they already controlled, since defenders have an advantage?
>since defenders have an advantage?
defenders don't magically always have the advantage. I'd rather be outside the city bombarding it than inside the city getting bombarded.
Would you prefer to be the light infantry attacking fortified positions to identify targets though? Or the follow up force occupying abandoned positions full of mines?
That was the case in spring of 2022, Popasna etc. UA has strong artillery forces around bahmut providing counter battery and support. It's no longer a one sided affair
Goodwill status check
No joke is this the beginning of the end? The 1 tank parade and Prigozhin freaking out points to something really serious. Then hints like them evacuating positions, not paying people, etc.
Are they preparing to evacuate the military from Bakhmut and Zaphoritsa? That would be utterly catastrophic.
How likely is it we see Afghanistan 2.0 (3.0?) where Russia evacuates their army from Donbass and leaves DNR and LNR to fight for themselves
They have clear defensive lines, and Crimea is over water. So I can't see them just making some mad dash. Instead this could be the beginning of the end - encirclement and pullout of Bakhmut, and a Zaphoristia front collapse. That would at least put the road from there to Crimea under attack, and make logistics to there MUCH harder. As in, this won't end the war, but this would be the beginning of the end. It'd take another year and a few more counter-offensives to win fully.
This may be an unpopular opinion but I could see Ukraine losing the Donbas in exchange for Crimea
why?
>Ukraine losing the Donbas
You understand that Donbass is giant and that Ukraine is holding 40% of Donetsk region? How the fuck Ukraine is going to lose Kramatorsk, Vuhledar or Slovyansk
*losing what they don’t control
Crimea would be easy as fuck to just starve out if Zappy Z is bisected in the counteroffensive.
Donbas has a fuckload of natural resources though. Some people were saying *one of* the reasons all this shit happened is large lithium deposits, more than in the entirety of russia
But geographically yes it's whatever
Russia cares more about Crimea. If they lose Crimea it's something that could be the end of Putin since it'd be such a loss of face. Russia cares about:
>land bridge to Crimea
>oil/gas in east Ukraine
>Crimea
>denying these to Ukraine
>grabbing as much of the coast-line to strangle Ukraine.
I mean not literally, but the land-bridge connecting them is very tiny and easy to defend. Taking Crimea would be very difficult. An outright amphibeous assault is out of the question for Ukraine.
Which is why the thinking that they won't take it but starve them out. Destroy the bridge, destroy the road/rail to access it, cut off their water. They will have a nice safe prison where they will just not be able to supply the troops or feed them all. What will they do? They will either hold until they break, or be forced to retreat.
It’s hilarious seeing Russians memory hole the fact that Rossiya originally intended to annex all of Ukraine and force a regime change.
meh I still think Putin's overall idea was to have the breakaway states ensure that Ukraine becomes a Moldova 2.0 that is a democracy but an inherently dysfunctional one that cannot join the Western block nor even enter a period of Finlandisation
>Ukraine becomes a Moldova 2.0
Moldova was going to be invaded straight after ukraine. Followed with attacking and occupying the baltic state as the next big invasion
Also friendly reminder that Kyiv is 150 Km from the border with Belarus.
>I mean not literally, but the land-bridge connecting them is very tiny and easy to defend.
Modern weapons means the defenders face similar issues to the attackers. Not a lot of room to maneuver, place fortifications or artillery means that they are more easily hit. And Ukraine has longer ranged fires.
If there's one thing I could trust Russia to do, it would be to defend that little land bridge. It'd be a kill-zone for attackers coming it. Not recommended. The "starve them out" plan makes more sense.
I'm reading between the lines, and I think Wagner is looking for excuses to withdraw from Bakhmut but without taking blame for it. We could see a quick collapse there soon.
>About 100,000 Russian soldiers have died in the battle to capture Bakhmut, a Ukrainian general has claimed. Col Serhiy Cherevaty, the spokesperson for the eastern group of the armed forces of Ukraine, told Ukrainian TV they were “rough calculations”. He said: “I am sure that further verification will only show an increase in this number. This is natural as the enemy uses the so-called meat assaults as the main method of waging war.”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2023/may/09/russia-ukraine-war-live-15-missiles-shot-down-over-kyiv-as-victory-day-begins-in-russia?filterKeyEvents=false&page=with:block-6459df8c8f08b3dab5f9a895
History has shown that Crimea is nowhere near impossible to invade.
Its a better killzone for defenders though.
>About 100,000 Russian soldiers have died in the battle to capture Bakhmut.
I'm taking those numbers with a massive grain of salt, but assuming its anything even remotely close to that...
100k casualties is probable, 100k kia not as much
even differentiating casualties from fatalities, Jesus fucking Christ this really is a Russian genocide as much as it is an attempt at a Ukrainian one.
All the estimates of Russia collapsing as a state in the 2050's are going to have to be moved up a few decades.
Worth noting that by all accounts Russia have somehow turned the fucking KIA/WIA ratio back into the fucking Napoleonic Wars
My jaw dropped all the way back in month two when they announced (then unannounced) 9,500 dead and 16,000 wounded, not because either of those numbers are implausible by themselves but because viewed in direct relation to each other those numbers are incomprehensible
I would hope, on the most optimistic basis, that they simply don't count guys with a bullet hole in their arm or a few chunks of shrapnel peppering them like birdshot as wounded, they just pat 'em on the back and say "Get back in there comrade"
>My jaw dropped all the way back in month two when they announced (then unannounced) 9,500 dead and 16,000 wounded, not because either of those numbers are implausible by themselves but because viewed in direct relation to each other those numbers are incomprehensible
I went ahead and looked up how wounded to killed should look in a modern military.
God, it must be grim on the Russian side.
They wanted to assault a large heavily fortified military position with massed infantry frontal infiltration tactics, they get the casualties massed infantry doing frontal infiltration tactics on heavily fortified positions get. Look up Khe Sanh if you want to see the casualty rates you get doing that communist bullshit.
Crimea is nonnegotiable for Russia and any pre-2022 Ukrainian clay is nonnegotiable for the yooks too. I don't think there is a realistic political settlement. Both sides think they can win so there's very little reason to entertain things like that. Militarily Russia cannot take Donbas with what it currently has without another wave of mobilization and even then it will take years given the state of their current equipment. Crimea is also a pretty tough grab for Ukraine. I have good faith in their training and abilities and they've shown multiple times to curbstomp vatniks but this would be a tall order even for them.
The only way it could work is that if Ukraine lost so many soldiers, and civillians, and they'd be so exhausted that they will accept a cease fire (not a peace treaty). But Ukraine isn't at that position and they still feel they have the advantage.
Yes, they were bargaining less and less. It's never 100% clear if they were gonna annex all of Ukraine, or just leave a rump state with a new regime and then take over Donbass and Crimea fully.
>without another wave of mobilization
They also can't arm another wave of mobilization, it would do absolutely nothing for them. Human wave tactics don't work.
the other way around? perhaps
but I don't see how Crimea would be worth more than the Donbass, expect maybe for propaganda/nationalism points
any Ukrainian PM that accepts such a deal in the next few years is toast by morning, it'll take a massive war exhaustion effort to convince the Ukrainian population to part ways with Crimea, let alone the Donbass.
This war only ends when the Russian regime crumbles into decay
Crimea is worth FAR more to Russia than the Donbass for historical reasons just as much as practical ones. If the Russians lose Crimea then they lose their only warm-water port which is something the Russians have had massive 'tism about for literal centuries.
They do in fact one much shittier newly built port to the east though.
Whats Novorossiysk if it's not the largest port on the black sea?
Man, just look at fucking map. Russians have a bunch of ports in Russia proper with access to Black Sea. All those retarded takes about warm ports are from 18th century when Caucasus was controlled by Ottomans.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_of_Novorossiysk
Novorossiysk is not as big, nor as important as Crimea. Sevastopol is literally the hub of the entire black sea fleet.
So they'd rather go to war with a country than just build a bigger fucking port?
If they steal someone elses port they can spend that money on more megayachts instead.
>have two ports
>one is of extreme historical importance, way bigger, and the home of their entire fleet and military complex
Yes, they'd rather have TWO ports rather than one. Like yes, you could move the Pentagon or Pearl Harbor but why? They'd rather keep them.
How do you know the geography of their existing port supports an expansion of that size? The world isn’t HOI4
>If the Russians lose Crimea then they lose their only warm-water port which is something the Russians have had massive 'tism about for literal centuries.
They have the port of Novorossisk on the mainland so no, you are wrong. Americans and geographical knowledge are two things that do not go hand in hand. Russia wants Sevastopol in order to deny it to USN.
If you mean Ukraine recapturing Zapporizhia and destroying the Kerch bridge, then getting Crimea when the troops there run out of supplies, but being unable to push Russia out of the Donbas due to its better connections to the Russian rail network, then I think you might be right
But it's too early to say for sure
Long range missiles aimed at railway transformer farms will do the trick to seizing up rail logistics for ziggers.
I don't know if they could keep up the necessary pressure to properly shut down logistics, but its certainly a possibility
That being said, assuming the railway maps I hastily googled where accurate, if they can push across northern Luhansk they might be able to shell the internal Russian lines and cut the rest of the Donbas off from rail supply
Maybe a simultaneous offensive in Luhansk and Zapporizhia?
>russian military degraded to a state that makes holding border aglomerations impossible
Why shouldn't take both Crimea and Donetsk in this situation? Russians don't deserve these lands anyway.
Unlike Crimea, Donbass borders with Russia, meaning Russians can keep attacking it forever.
>Crimea is over water
It's not an island, either literally or metaphorically. Crimea has repeatedly fallen to land armies in history, it's not that hard to take.
>Crimea is over water
This is not EUIV. Crimea is not an island.
Crimea isn't an island in EU4 either anon, you just need military access through Moldova and Lithuania to reach it as the Ottos.
I swear it was originally a strait that needed transports to cross.
Just give a sloppy to the KANGZ there.
Good thing then that the militias of Luganda and Donbabwe have already been put through the meat grinder as disposable cannon fodder.
>The 1 tank parade
That really convinced me that something was extremely wrong. There is NO way, they'd only parade one tank if they had any other choice. This was their chance to go "This war? It doesn't matter to Russia at all" and they blew it completely.
>due to the reduction in personnel, PMC Wagner was forced to transfer the flanks to the military
what awful timing for a downsizing, I wonder what happened.
>Crow about "muh Bakhmut" for like a year
>"we didn't need it anyways"
If this was a parody it would be called unrealistic
If this war was a movie it would be considered western propaganda
>so the Russians make a beeline for Kiev and start sieging the city, then the Ukrainians launch a counteroffensive and the Russians abandon all their tanks and run all the way back to the border? Come on, at least make them fight a little or it's not even a war movie.
>the pride of the Black Sea Fleet, getting sunk by two missiles from a country with no navy?
>come one, this is just jingoistic, Russophobic propaganda, they wouldn't actually be THAT incompetent
>Russia will never take Bakhmut
I enjoy this cat and all posts associated with it
I love this lil bro like you wouldn’t believe…
>Russia will never be big enough
>The town might be big enough... for both of them
cant wait for ukraine to recapture atleast one village from december 2022 instead of constantly lossing men and territory
And after that happens, what will the next goalpost be?
How's our favorite Bakhmut youtuber been taking the news this week?
He made a documentary about why Serbia was wrongly attacked in the 90s by NATO
>I am a neutral youtuber. btw Russia and their allies have never done anything wrong. NATO is the devil themselves!
How do people fall for these guys? A few tens of thousands a year is all it takes to buy off "independent" commentators nowadays. Would you become a Putin shill for 30K a year?
1) He’s a Serb
2) He has a sizable audience of Russians, Indians, and Self-Hating Westerners. His comments are hilarious.
>How do people fall for these guys?
you don't fall for it. you start with a preconception and only support things that fit in that preconception
>commit genocide
>get bombed for doing so
>play the victim
I need a catholic albanian gf right now
In the name of the Father, the Son and MUH DICK
Amen
>cuck
Dmitry Rogozin says that Ukraine is stronger than Russia now lol
Recordings of his phone calls with Rotenberg (one of Putin's gnomish childhood friends-oligarchs) where he talks about a plot by a group of oligarchs and siloviks to remove Shoigu and place him as the MoD and Surovikin as the chief of general staff. So, he poopoos everything to gain Putin's favor. That would be awesome. He is a retarded thief and deranged fool. It would be jackpot for Ukrainians if he is successful.
Rogozin is the least competent, most prone to hysterics, and most corrupt Russian official period. I know some people think that’s not true but if you’ve followed his career it’s obvious.
But he’s super far out of Putin’s favor. That became obvious when after he was “promoted” out of Roscosmos, the new head 180’d every statement and policy dickless dimi had made
Most important of all , he has no dick, the Russians would never obey commands from someone with no dick.
How much stronger? 1.5 times? 2x, 3x
he cope.
I hope he made a video about the recent event at the south of Bakmut
His Vuhledar video was rather entertaining
>Ukrainians screaming in a Football math, like they are in the final of the world cup.
>VUHLEDAR!!!
>VUHLEDAR!!!
>Russians tanks explode while driving over mines.
!!!!!!!
Didn't he lose his dick and balls to artillery when Prigozhin snitched his location in Ukraine last year?
he did.
Part of the problem of ending this war is Putin has been banging the drum that a defeat in Ukraine means general catastrophe for Russia, like NATO will gather up literally everyone in Moscow and take them to the Hague sort of stuff. He's done a decent job at making folks conflate the consequences of defeat for him personally with the consequences of defeat for Russia. Not sure how you go about untangling that knot.
He'll need scapegoats aplenty. Suppressing old reruns of his doomsday speeches will be easy enough within Russia itself, and lying to look tough is par for the course. Someone has to fall though, and if it's not Putin, then it will have to be others in the high ranks. Putin has every reason to be paranoid, because there's no doubt a lot of oligarchs and officials who have drawn the same conclusion from the other end of the equation.
Not going to the Hague is literally the only benefit of his nooks right now.
I suggest that he not squander that.
Realistically, you can’t. People believe what they’re told over and over again. You’d need months of NATO propaganda piped directly into the brain of every Moscovite to even begin undoing the damage.
Most realistically, you start talking to dissatisfied elements in Russian leadership and promise whatever they want in exchange for Putin and his circle to get the ol’ Hispanicy juice.
"The Feint of Bakhmut"
Don't read too much into this, I think they've just decided prigozhin and Wagner are more trouble than theyre worth and are using the Ukrainians to eliminate them as a potential political faction by not giving them ammo and not letting them retreat. They may consider Bakhmut already a lost cause depending on what they know about the Ukrainians counter offensive, if they can blame Wagner entirely for the loss of the city so much the better.
Really fucked up. Wagner's share of supplies is being sent elsewhere now, I'm curious if that'll be an improvement.
>they PLANNED to fuck up this much and lose tens of thousands of soldiers
>Putin is this crafty
Isn't Wagner Russia's only battle experienced troops at this stage. It feels like the rest of the army hasn't done anything since retreating from Kherson. How are all those fresh draftees going to cope?
The entire war is fucking retarded and the further it goes on the less i understand it
> 1. Bakhmut has no strategic importance;
And the last horse FINALLY crosses the finish line. Imagine what the Armed Forces of Russia could do if they came to such conclusions six months quicker.
I TRIED SO HARD, AND GOT SO FAR
Don't forget they sent at least 10,000+ orks to their deaths for this
>a military in action will surely reveal his strategy to the public
retarded PrepHoleikes strike again
Wouldnt surprise me if the army retreated and leave Wagner behind to get encircled in the city
>>we didn't want Bakhmut anyway
Huh, they have reached that stage already
It's true, because they actually wanted Chasin Yar and Bakhmut is just in the way.
Please tell me they didn't lose the post office....
Mein Wagner.....
the elevator.....
Years from now there will one holdout barricaded on 5th floor like the Japanese soldiers on remote islands who refused to surrender until years after the war ended.
>We know you've been raiding vending machines in the 3rd floor break room at night. If you don't give up, we're going to stop restocking them.
this is starting to look like the beggining of the end for ziggeristan
It will be hilarious if they actually start fighting each other BEFORE Ukraine actually has any boots on Crimea.
This has to be some psy-op/trap by Russia, no way are they suddenly collapsing considering the massive numerical advantage, endless Soviet-era reserves and the slave-like mentality of vatniks letting them run factories without paying any salaries.
>Bakhmut has no strategic importance
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We tried to warn you
Reminder that the battle of Bakhmut started in May to June of 2022. It's not been just 9 months.
The humiliation of Russia is reaching a peak for me. Are we just going to watch this war drag on for the next 5 years? Until Russia’s military is degraded to the point where they are physically unable to even defend their own borders, this war will drag on. Russian leadership is banan brained and wouldn’t negotiate unless put in chains and forced to. Ukrainians continue to ride victory after victory and have no reason to stop. The only real factors are: a) how much support Ukraine gets and b) whether Putin really puts nukes on the table. I wish the West would get off their ass and actually supply Ukraine as if they intended to win.