Actually the first copper knives were intentionally forged into shapes resembling stone knives and the first iron swords had fake casting seams to be more like bronze swords. Its historically very normal for the first iterations of new technology to mimic features of old technology even when it makes no sense. For modern example theres the "cavalry" tank.
>some guy is trying to push his garbage knifes by making them look like obsidian knifes >in 2022 >this is totally historic
You're an idiot and you're knifes are cheap garbage for cheap garbage people. deal with it.
These arent aztec Flavored at all.The blades have knapped edges.Thats not how micro blades were contructed.They were knocked off a blade core to create uniform clean edge flakes.Thats why they were so sharp.These knapped edges wouldnt be very sharp or as thin as aztec micro blades.
What the frick can knapped stone do against someone covered head to toe in chainmail? Those shitty arrows are gonna shatter on impact.
Europeans absolutely fricking decimated them in melee. All their success came from shooting arrows at poorly armored explorers.
>Any victories they've had were due to Euros not taking them on seriously.
It was the exact literal opposite of this. Any victories the Spaniards had were due to the Aztecs not taking them on seriously
The Spanish won by simply being invited in and kidnapping the king.
Then terrifying warrior guilds with boomsticks, then the people who fled died weeks later of the flu.
All the Spanish really needed to do was protect themselves while the flu killed the natives.
If prepared, the Aztecs would have simply zerg rushed the invaders.
And I'm just going to put it out there that a gun in full plate armor with a sword will consistently loose against three unarmored guys armed with tree branches.
The Spanish were far better in the currias/helmet- but this meant that vollies of arrows would ruin their day.
A barrage of stones from slingers would also have ruined the Spanish, in ancient greek times massed slingers were meta because they forced hoplites to charge rather than throw spears.
Really I think the aztecs suffered exactly the same fate as the Japenese when the Americans landed.
Too much trust, not enough respect for the close quarter power of the musket, got their leader kidnapped, invaders raped all their women, everyone died of flu
Cortez expedition firearms werent heavy muskets known from hollywierd movies, but arquebuses, those are quite light and portable, dont require rest to aim. They are awful for cqb in modern sense, because of low rate of fire. But they would still make a good club and spanish soldiers always had broadswords or other type of bladed sidearm to defend themselves with, when there was no time for reload. Overwhelming majority of Spanish footsoldiers were armed with broadswords and shields, there were like only few dozens of crossbowmen and arquebusiers in original troop led by Cortez.
cope, the spanish fought several extremely one-sided (against them) grueling, long battles where they beat overwhelming numbers without guns. It was mostly the power of the horse. The aztecs had never needed to develop anti-horse tactics and it turns out not having those + shit military tech = you are FRICKING against even a small band of horsemen.
No, he is right in a way. The situation that lead to Montezumas capture was preceded by outrageous victories in battles, but that was wearing off by the time they reached Tenochtitlan. Contemporary accounts are very detailed on the fact that indians were quickly throwing off the terror caused by the invader's "glamour", and in fact were capturing their weapons at times and using them against them.
Unironically, the Aztec should've stopped bathing and brushing their teeth. Europeans were walking disease-ridden biolabs because they didn't practice any hygiene whatsoever, so fight fire with fire.
>be spanish >chamber pots full of shit thrown out into the streets >street cleaning non-existent >draw water from polluted rivers >never bathe because "it's cold :(" and changing your linen underwear is "juz as good!!1!!" >shunned water as dangerous >suffer Black Plague every other year >scorned hot baths as effeminate and weakening because you were conquered by Visigoth Black folk in 1000 years ago and never bothered to build back the bathhouses
>be Aztecan god of hygiene >employ a thousand public service cleaners to sweep and water their streets daily >build public toilets in every neighborhood >transport human waste in canoes for use as fertilizer in your chinampas >supply your capital city with fresh water from the nearby hill of Chapultepec with not one but two fricking aqueducts >bathe twice a day >wash your body and clothes with the rich lather of copalxocotl and xiuhamolli soaps >invent deodorants, breath fresheners and dentifrices that shock European onlookers
that's exactly how most europeans started. have you heard the story of typhoid mary? an irish immigrant worker woman who came to america and infected and killed 100s of people with typhoid disease.
they found out that she never even bothered to wash her hands with even hot water, yet again soap. so she would infect whole apartments while cooking them dinner
shut the frick up you stupid gorilla Black person. there's zero reason to call them Indians when there are actual Indians and an actual country of India.
sometimes it's better to admit you're moronic rather than double down on your autism.
you're awfully stupid for someone correcting others, there's a bunch of native american tribes that still call themselves and each other Indians colloquially, including big ones like the Lakota or the Paiute
You’re the moron for believing Malcolm Gladwell’s MUH GUNS GERMS AND STEEL narrative. The Spanish had a few hundred guys total. It’s unbelievably stupid to think that shitty arquebuses could overcome the numerical disadvantage. Especially when, yknow, the Spanish talked about their native allies in their writings and even gave them lands to rule over until they came back with greater numbers to fully take over.
The Aztecs sucked and everyone hated them because they made all the other tribes pay tribute. It’s no wonder they all jumped at the chance to take them down.
>christians must drink the blood of christ and consume his flesh to be saved >store corpses and bones in their because they're "holy" >complains about savages
It’s wine/grape juice for kids and bread you godless savage
2 years ago
Anonymous
>symbolism is the same as actual literal cannibalism
I refuse to think you actually believe this.
2 years ago
Anonymous
It’s wine/grape juice for kids and bread you godless savage
What do you think happened in the original version of the Abraham story? Brotip, there was no last-minute substitution.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You are a heretic, and therefore not a Christian, if you don't think you are literally eating human flesh homosexual.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You’re moronic bro
2 years ago
Anonymous
He is right though. Dogmatic christian belief rejects the notion that mass is symbolism, instead insisting that eating the bread and drinking the wine is exactly the same as the flesh and blood of christ.
Obviously any sane person will point out that these items are not, in fact, flesh and blood, but there are complicated theological arguments that essentially amount to "clap your hands if you believe".
they literally use wine and wafers to pretend, but yes, it's symbolic of *eating* christ
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yes, symbolic. Not actual cannibalism
2 years ago
Anonymous
I guess the Crusaders didn't get the memo
it's funny that you just lie when this information is plainly available
2 years ago
Anonymous
>comparing actual premeditated rituals to desperate measures
The spanish didn’t killed enough
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Now the story about the initiation of young novices is as much to be detested as it is well known. An infant covered over with meal, that it may deceive the unwary, is placed before him who is to be stained with their rites: this infant is slain by the young pupil, who has been urged on as if to harmless blows on the surface of the meal, with dark and secret wounds. Thirstily – O horror! they lick up its blood; eagerly they divide its limbs. By this victim they are pledged together; with this consciousness of wickedness they are covenanted to mutual silence. >Bethlehem means "House of Meat” in Arabic
even your Nativity scenes are stained with cannibalism
2 years ago
Anonymous
Cope, seethe and dilate
My ancestors killed yours
2 years ago
Anonymous
beaner, you mean your ancestors raped and killed your ancestors?
2 years ago
Anonymous
I don’t have any native ancestor
2 years ago
Anonymous
I'm white. I'm just not delusional like you
2 years ago
Anonymous
It is interesting how literally every culture has stories about another religion being a cannibalistic cult. Its like some go-to choice for scandalous conspiracies. Evident even today.
2 years ago
Anonymous
interesting
2 years ago
Anonymous
are you just ignoring how our current government is full of pedos and blood drinkers? it's not a stretch to believe these practices came from somewhere else in Europe.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I'm just pondering on how the stories never change.
They could have invented better diplomacy. Cortez didn't have the numbers to beat the Aztec and he knew it, he had arrived with 2000-4000 men. He decided the best course of action would be to let the locals fight it out amongst themselves and clean up the mess seeing that the Aztec had many enemies, he went to the next most powerful empire in Mexico, the Tlaxcalans and gathered a force of 20,000 men to take Teotihuacán. Maybe if they didn't raid the Tlaxcalan's towns for people to rip the hearts out of they would not have made it so easy on the Spanish.
>let's make our modern steel machete look like a obsidian tool
>that's totally Aztecy!
this is so fricking stupid, same goes for your question.
Actually the first copper knives were intentionally forged into shapes resembling stone knives and the first iron swords had fake casting seams to be more like bronze swords. Its historically very normal for the first iterations of new technology to mimic features of old technology even when it makes no sense. For modern example theres the "cavalry" tank.
>some guy is trying to push his garbage knifes by making them look like obsidian knifes
>in 2022
>this is totally historic
You're an idiot and you're knifes are cheap garbage for cheap garbage people. deal with it.
vaccinations. the spanish killed a few hundred aztecs by force of arms, and millions by force of disease.
more slings. the conquestadors remarked that their arrows and clubs didnt harm them much but the slings hurt like getting hit with a hammer.
These arent aztec Flavored at all.The blades have knapped edges.Thats not how micro blades were contructed.They were knocked off a blade core to create uniform clean edge flakes.Thats why they were so sharp.These knapped edges wouldnt be very sharp or as thin as aztec micro blades.
Absolutely fricking nothing. Any victories they've had were due to Euros not taking them on seriously.
If you knap stone you get really good at it.
If you're a warrior you put as much time into your napped stone as a samurai does to his steel sword.
This is it. The most homosexual comment written on /k/... for today.
What the frick can knapped stone do against someone covered head to toe in chainmail? Those shitty arrows are gonna shatter on impact.
Europeans absolutely fricking decimated them in melee. All their success came from shooting arrows at poorly armored explorers.
>Any victories they've had were due to Euros not taking them on seriously.
It was the exact literal opposite of this. Any victories the Spaniards had were due to the Aztecs not taking them on seriously
The Spanish won by simply being invited in and kidnapping the king.
Then terrifying warrior guilds with boomsticks, then the people who fled died weeks later of the flu.
All the Spanish really needed to do was protect themselves while the flu killed the natives.
If prepared, the Aztecs would have simply zerg rushed the invaders.
And I'm just going to put it out there that a gun in full plate armor with a sword will consistently loose against three unarmored guys armed with tree branches.
The Spanish were far better in the currias/helmet- but this meant that vollies of arrows would ruin their day.
A barrage of stones from slingers would also have ruined the Spanish, in ancient greek times massed slingers were meta because they forced hoplites to charge rather than throw spears.
Really I think the aztecs suffered exactly the same fate as the Japenese when the Americans landed.
Too much trust, not enough respect for the close quarter power of the musket, got their leader kidnapped, invaders raped all their women, everyone died of flu
>close quarter power of the musket
redpill me on muskets, i thought they were awful for cqb
Cortez expedition firearms werent heavy muskets known from hollywierd movies, but arquebuses, those are quite light and portable, dont require rest to aim. They are awful for cqb in modern sense, because of low rate of fire. But they would still make a good club and spanish soldiers always had broadswords or other type of bladed sidearm to defend themselves with, when there was no time for reload. Overwhelming majority of Spanish footsoldiers were armed with broadswords and shields, there were like only few dozens of crossbowmen and arquebusiers in original troop led by Cortez.
More about conquistador armamment from that period.
http://entrada1598.com/mdia/waag16.pdf
>But they would still make a good club
kek based
cope, the spanish fought several extremely one-sided (against them) grueling, long battles where they beat overwhelming numbers without guns. It was mostly the power of the horse. The aztecs had never needed to develop anti-horse tactics and it turns out not having those + shit military tech = you are FRICKING against even a small band of horsemen.
You're forgetting the absolute raw numbers of other indians that allied cortez simply because they hated the aztecs
No, he is right in a way. The situation that lead to Montezumas capture was preceded by outrageous victories in battles, but that was wearing off by the time they reached Tenochtitlan. Contemporary accounts are very detailed on the fact that indians were quickly throwing off the terror caused by the invader's "glamour", and in fact were capturing their weapons at times and using them against them.
Aztecs could have won if they weren't colossal dicks to everyone else. They were basically the assyrians/nazis/russians of their timer and region.
Unironically, the Aztec should've stopped bathing and brushing their teeth. Europeans were walking disease-ridden biolabs because they didn't practice any hygiene whatsoever, so fight fire with fire.
>thinks plagues come from not bathing
Hoo boy
>be spanish
>chamber pots full of shit thrown out into the streets
>street cleaning non-existent
>draw water from polluted rivers
>never bathe because "it's cold :(" and changing your linen underwear is "juz as good!!1!!"
>shunned water as dangerous
>suffer Black Plague every other year
>scorned hot baths as effeminate and weakening because you were conquered by Visigoth Black folk in 1000 years ago and never bothered to build back the bathhouses
>be Aztecan god of hygiene
>employ a thousand public service cleaners to sweep and water their streets daily
>build public toilets in every neighborhood >transport human waste in canoes for use as fertilizer in your chinampas
>supply your capital city with fresh water from the nearby hill of Chapultepec with not one but two fricking aqueducts
>bathe twice a day
>wash your body and clothes with the rich lather of copalxocotl and xiuhamolli soaps
>invent deodorants, breath fresheners and dentifrices that shock European onlookers
>aztecs get BTFO
guess the spaniards were right in the end
that's exactly how most europeans started. have you heard the story of typhoid mary? an irish immigrant worker woman who came to america and infected and killed 100s of people with typhoid disease.
they found out that she never even bothered to wash her hands with even hot water, yet again soap. so she would infect whole apartments while cooking them dinner
and i mean literally never washed. she literally almost never washed her hands, even after being at the restroom
>Was there any weapon upgrades the Aztecs could have made to win the war?
vaccines, lmao
How would developing autism have helped the Aztecs?
it would have been the only thing to save them as they could then channel this autism into developing modern weaponry and tactics
Didn't like 400 conquistadores killed thousands of native savages?
Yah bro 400 spaniards, the other 300,000 indians helping didnt count
I was not aware that there were Indians from the subcontinent of India there. How did they get to America? or do you actually mean Americans?
>pedantic gay
There’s a website for morons like you, you might want to go back to it.
shut the frick up you stupid gorilla Black person. there's zero reason to call them Indians when there are actual Indians and an actual country of India.
sometimes it's better to admit you're moronic rather than double down on your autism.
you're awfully stupid for someone correcting others, there's a bunch of native american tribes that still call themselves and each other Indians colloquially, including big ones like the Lakota or the Paiute
yeah, and they're fricking wrong. amazing how people can be incorrect?
I bet you think Latino is a race, too.
>indians
i guess this explain half the aztec dicksucking ITT, there's actual mexicans seething here
It's just /leftypol/ trying to force their moronic pro-savage narrative everywhere they go.
You’re the moron for believing Malcolm Gladwell’s MUH GUNS GERMS AND STEEL narrative. The Spanish had a few hundred guys total. It’s unbelievably stupid to think that shitty arquebuses could overcome the numerical disadvantage. Especially when, yknow, the Spanish talked about their native allies in their writings and even gave them lands to rule over until they came back with greater numbers to fully take over.
The Aztecs sucked and everyone hated them because they made all the other tribes pay tribute. It’s no wonder they all jumped at the chance to take them down.
Well, they ally with the tlaxcaltecas.
>calling Americans savages in 2022
>still falling for a israeli psyop from 500 years ago
ngmi
>cannibals who did blood rituals to pagan gods
>not savages
>christians must drink the blood of christ and consume his flesh to be saved
>store corpses and bones in their because they're "holy"
>complains about savages
Didn’t knew christians were drinking human blood and eating human flesh
Have you never attended mass?
It’s wine/grape juice for kids and bread you godless savage
>symbolism is the same as actual literal cannibalism
I refuse to think you actually believe this.
What do you think happened in the original version of the Abraham story? Brotip, there was no last-minute substitution.
You are a heretic, and therefore not a Christian, if you don't think you are literally eating human flesh homosexual.
You’re moronic bro
He is right though. Dogmatic christian belief rejects the notion that mass is symbolism, instead insisting that eating the bread and drinking the wine is exactly the same as the flesh and blood of christ.
Obviously any sane person will point out that these items are not, in fact, flesh and blood, but there are complicated theological arguments that essentially amount to "clap your hands if you believe".
they literally use wine and wafers to pretend, but yes, it's symbolic of *eating* christ
Yes, symbolic. Not actual cannibalism
I guess the Crusaders didn't get the memo
it's funny that you just lie when this information is plainly available
>comparing actual premeditated rituals to desperate measures
The spanish didn’t killed enough
>Now the story about the initiation of young novices is as much to be detested as it is well known. An infant covered over with meal, that it may deceive the unwary, is placed before him who is to be stained with their rites: this infant is slain by the young pupil, who has been urged on as if to harmless blows on the surface of the meal, with dark and secret wounds. Thirstily – O horror! they lick up its blood; eagerly they divide its limbs. By this victim they are pledged together; with this consciousness of wickedness they are covenanted to mutual silence.
>Bethlehem means "House of Meat” in Arabic
even your Nativity scenes are stained with cannibalism
Cope, seethe and dilate
My ancestors killed yours
beaner, you mean your ancestors raped and killed your ancestors?
I don’t have any native ancestor
I'm white. I'm just not delusional like you
It is interesting how literally every culture has stories about another religion being a cannibalistic cult. Its like some go-to choice for scandalous conspiracies. Evident even today.
interesting
are you just ignoring how our current government is full of pedos and blood drinkers? it's not a stretch to believe these practices came from somewhere else in Europe.
I'm just pondering on how the stories never change.
At least Christian savages were civilized enough to not actually consume humans. They just pretend they do.
Yes, they could have treated their vassal states better so they wouldn't ally with the hispanics and overrun Tenochtitlan through sheer numbers
A better immune system and the ability to abstain from BIG MED wiener.
>ITT: you defend spanish Black folk online
Nuclear missiles
>xehltac gonzalez is also a wojak Black person
I'm always surprised how many replies an utterly stupid thread like this gets. But then I guess most of the guys here are phone posters.
Horses, guns, cannon and armor like the Spaniards. They basically would have to have become European like.
It's not the weapon it's the man who uses it.
They could have invented better diplomacy. Cortez didn't have the numbers to beat the Aztec and he knew it, he had arrived with 2000-4000 men. He decided the best course of action would be to let the locals fight it out amongst themselves and clean up the mess seeing that the Aztec had many enemies, he went to the next most powerful empire in Mexico, the Tlaxcalans and gathered a force of 20,000 men to take Teotihuacán. Maybe if they didn't raid the Tlaxcalan's towns for people to rip the hearts out of they would not have made it so easy on the Spanish.
Only vaccinations would have saved them.
Vaccines
Not pissing off their neighbors. Basically impossible for the Indio brain