Was the Italian navy actually any good? You never hear anything about it.

Was the Italian navy actually any good? You never hear anything about it.

  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You typically don't hear of things that weren't of any value.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      gay go fuck yourself. the italian navy was the sole reason anglos were afraid to put ships in the med. stupid weak bitch

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >gets mogged in port by some biplanes
        what did italy mean by this?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Italian Navy
          >pearl harbored right at the start of 1940
          >the only things that didnt get sunk were tiny ass destroyers
          poor, poor battleships.

          this guy knows his shit, nice.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >pearl harbored right at the start of 1940
            it was november of 1940

            >the only things that didnt get sunk were tiny ass destroyers
            Three battleships were damaged, two of whom were back in service within a few months. the rest of the fleet remained operational and resumed doing sorties mere days after the attack

            >this guy knows his shit, nice.
            Unlike you apparently.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cape_Matapan

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Italy
          59 killed
          600 wounded
          3 battleships disabled
          1 heavy cruiser damaged
          2 destroyers damaged
          2 fighters destroyed
          >Broitish
          2 killed
          2 captured
          2 aircraft destroyed

          Jesus lol

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            truth be told, Alexandria was that but possibly even worse
            literally 6 blokes disabling 2 battleships, one destroyer and one tanker

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >even worse
              That only makes sense if you can send another 6 dudes to repeat the feat and even the score

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                well, kinda like what happened at Taranto
                Alexandria was a once in a lifetime feat, Taranto too: it was that effective because the Italian navy removed the anti torpedo nets due to gunnery exercises

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Alexandria was a once in a lifetime feat, Taranto too
                no, anon said Alexandria was "even worse", when the score is at best half that of Taranto

                it's not "worse" unless the score can, at minimum, be evened in actuality rather than hypothetically

                >the Italian navy removed the anti torpedo nets due to gunnery exercises
                that's cope of the "yea well it wouldn't have if we had" variety
                if if if; if bongs had nukes in 39 Berlin would be glass; if I was Leonardo diCaprio I'd fuck Nina Agdal; if I had a time machine I'd go back and buy a million bitcoin

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Nina Agdal
                >30
                no you wouldn’t

                >we were winning until we were losing
                you wanna pull up the stats for the African campaign until the DAK got involved?

                ironically enough, wops started pulling their weight AFTER the krauts retreated
                the last stand of El Alamein was pretty hardcore

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >no you wouldn’t

                with asdic, MACs and direction finding, the bongs had defeated the Uboats by mid-1941, some say late 1940. look up loss rates of British merchant shipping

                [...]
                not entirely their fault that the Japs were sunk literally 6 months after Pearl. the BPF vs the Kido Butai would have been as hard-fought as Midway I think

                [...]
                would, and so would you
                cmon mate how bad's a 30yo underwear model?
                >ironically enough, wops started pulling their weight AFTER the krauts retreated
                lol perhaps

                forgot pic

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                When 5000 Italian paratroopers (Folgore) resisted almost without supplies, destroying British tanks with Molotovs and Anti-Tank mines. Chads.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I'd go back and buy a million bitcoin
                you couldn't afford a million bitcoin ever
                also bitcoin was invented by an english man
                just to shit on italy even more

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >also bitcoin was invented by an english man
                this really doesn’t help the uk at all
                memecoins are a scam

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >help the uk
                who cares? I just want to flip em

                I had no idea the bongs even had 40 subs

                wait till you hear about the USSR sub navy

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I was referring to the
                >just to shit on italy even more
                not inventing memecoin puts you under a good light if anything

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        i cant bretahe

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Retard, Italian navy put up a good fight and kept the royal navy busy for the first half of the war. They were certainly better than the KMS which could only sink unguarded supply ships and send their biggest, most expensive capital ship unsupported to certain death

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >certain death
        Brits got lucky

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          cope

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Rudder going down was a complete fluke

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Which is why none of us know who you are, but all of us know your mother.

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It apparently was respectable, the problem is all it did was annoy the British for awhile; and most of the navy was just inherited from earlier times.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It was the least worst part of the Italian armed forces.
      Navy > Air Force >>>> Army

      >and most of the navy was just inherited from earlier times.
      This was the case for most navies really.

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Its greatest value was a fleet in being. It tied down significant RN ships and resources being poised to counter it similar to what happened in North Sea during WW1. If Germany had been better at exploiting this weakness and Japan had coordinated with the rest of Axis. The RN could have been defeated in detail. Though when Japan decided to Bonsai their fleet at Midway there was no hope after that.

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Better than the useless German one. At least they did classical Fleet in Being rather than useless commercial raiding.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >useless
      Useful enough that Germany was winning the game of chess versus the much bigger royal navy for most of the war.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The sailors were professional and the ships were modern, but their strategy was retarded.

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Their officers were corrupt. This is never good for readiness.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Lol, good one OP
    The shitalians are all outing themselves.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      ok chong

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah. It was pretty ok. Without enough air cover, planes will eventually win a war of attrition vs ships.

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Apparently good with submarines. Kinda just not notable for the rest of their fleet overall asides from harassing Brits

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    For being a part of the Italian military, they were very impressive

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    you think the eyeties complain about the spaghetti on the ship?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous
  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Technologically and tactically inferior surface combatants, kept being clobbered by the bongs.
    Might've been decent at ASW, though. More than forty bong subs were lost in the med, but dunno how many by the Germans rather than the Italians

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I had no idea the bongs even had 40 subs

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Bong subs were terrible. Many had nonferrous conning towers so they could use magnetic compasses.

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Pretty much bullied by the Royal Navy the entire war. Lacked radar and air power, the Germans eventually sent Luftflotte 2 to Italy in 1941 because the Italians were so bad at bombing anything.

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Mussolini got quite worried about losing it, knowing he would not be able to build new ships. Even if they could hold their own in combat, raw materials shortages guaranteed there would be no more ships. There was also another problem. Oil for the engines was in shorter and shorter supply making every voyage cut a new dent into the reserves. Third, Italian planes were (mostly) not good enough to provide a reliable screen against air attacks. It all combined to make Italy very anxious about deployment to open sea.

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Was the Italian navy actually any good?
    well designed, modern ships, ruined by extremely poor quality ammunition

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      it was ok, didn’t live up to expectations
      mostly hampered by lack of radar, coordination with the Air Force and never ending lack of fuel
      subs were good tho

      meme

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They had no fuel, so couldn't exercise or conduct operations. The Med is a minor lake though, so the axis closed it off with aircraft.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >the axis closed it off with aircraft.
      Then for no reason at all, Rommels supply ships decided to sail to the bottom of the med instead of to Tunis.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Hmmmm, so why did the bongs have to cease traversing that lake?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Post the Axis capture of Malta.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Post the bongs being unable to run a POW camp in NA to hold Rommel and a few thirsty germans.

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yes but it wasn’t utilized properly due to poor (cowardly) leadership and fuel shortages

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It was alright. And way better than the germans. Bismarck? Italy done it but better.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >It was alright. And way better than the germans.
      well, thats debatable.
      did the italian navy actually sink anything?
      because the germans pretty much mogged the poor british from the start.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >because the germans pretty much mogged the poor british from the start.
        they lost almost all the surface engagements, the kriegsmarines surface fleets only noticable successes were sinking a battlecruiser that was 10 years overdue for refit and a carrier that had no planes as it had just been used to ferry aircraft.

        Scharhorst got wrecked, Bismarck got wrecked, at 2 to 1 odds the germans still wouldnt engage a battlecruiser. the german surface fleet did ok when it could get at unescorted merchantmen and got fucked everywhere else

  19. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The best European Axis navy, but that is like being the smartest kid in a classroom full of 'tards. Sure, it might technically sound impressive at first, but when you include the context, it becomes a pretty faint praise at best.You have to go to the east if you want an actually semi-decent Axis navy, and even then it was just a bad copy of the Royal Navy minus the few redeeming traits the RN had.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The bongs weren't remotely close to the IJN quality, and fled the battlefield when they had a chance to fight them in the IO.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Bongs at least had figured out that if you are an island nation you probably want to at least somewhat invest in ASW and making sure that enemy subs don't destroy whole shipping capacity overnight, that alone puts them couple light years ahead of IJN.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >you probably want to at least somewhat invest in ASW and making sure that enemy subs don't destroy whole shipping capacity overnight
          Huh? The bongs got slaughtered by uboats. Their naval aviation was garbage and that's the tool to combat subs in that era.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yes, and that is down right tame when compared to what yank subs did to nip shipping even with their notariously shit torpedoes.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              No, the bongs were being destroyed on their front porch. The japs didn't suffer such humiliation til late war.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's almost like the English Channel is smaller than the Pacific Ocean or something.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's almost like the bongs were being destroyed on their front porch and were too feeble to go into the Pacific.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The U-boats were defeated.
                The USN subs weren't.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Didn't see the Japs come play with the British Pacific Fleet either?
        The Kido Butai outgunned the Britsh 4 to 1, what did you expect them to do?

        >you probably want to at least somewhat invest in ASW and making sure that enemy subs don't destroy whole shipping capacity overnight
        Huh? The bongs got slaughtered by uboats. Their naval aviation was garbage and that's the tool to combat subs in that era.

        lmao revisionism

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >revisionism
          Explain.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            with asdic, MACs and direction finding, the bongs had defeated the Uboats by mid-1941, some say late 1940. look up loss rates of British merchant shipping

            >Didn't see the Japs come play with the British Pacific Fleet either?
            Because the bongs fled, and didn't return til the IJN had ceased to exist.

            not entirely their fault that the Japs were sunk literally 6 months after Pearl. the BPF vs the Kido Butai would have been as hard-fought as Midway I think

            >Nina Agdal
            >30
            no you wouldn’t
            [...]
            ironically enough, wops started pulling their weight AFTER the krauts retreated
            the last stand of El Alamein was pretty hardcore

            would, and so would you
            cmon mate how bad's a 30yo underwear model?
            >ironically enough, wops started pulling their weight AFTER the krauts retreated
            lol perhaps

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              https://i.imgur.com/mqcx8ef.png

              >no you wouldn’t
              [...]
              forgot pic

              let me explain this meme to you
              Leonardo Di Caprio dumps his gfs the time they turn 25
              so no, if you were him you wouldn’t break the rule

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                LMAO alright I derped on that one
                mixed my metaphors

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >the bongs had defeated the Uboats by mid-1941
              Now this is fantasy. The US was involved heavy by then, and the bongs were still losing, because they had not the required aviation.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                A big part of that was due to the US's own retardation, leading directly to the Second Happy Time

                >would have been
                Fantasy battles are fantasy. The bongs fled the real battle.

                >The bongs fled the real battle
                The japs lost the real battle before it was fought

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The USN was deployed outwards because the bongs were being destroyed. In 1941.

                No, the IJN hadn't lost a battle when the bongs fled the battlefield.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The USN was deployed outwards because
                of a small incident known as Pearl Harbor

                >the bongs were being destroyed
                bitch please, the Italian Navy hit more bong ships than the Japs did

                we never got to see a true RN vs IJN bun-fight because the IJN lasted all of 6 months, barely enough time for the Grand Fleet to set up shop in the Indian Ocean even if they wanted to

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No, the US was carrying the bongs long before PH, and in fact stripped resources from PH.

                The bongs fled the battlefield, and the IJN would have to go to Jamaica to destroy them, I suppose.

                We never got to see a bong/IJN battle because the bongs fled the battlefield, leaving others to fight the battle.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >stripped resources from PH
                >1 battleship
                please

                >The bongs fled the battlefield
                >the bongs fled the battlefield
                seethe and cope, Yamamoto

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >1 battleship
                Uh, no.

                Yes, the bongs fled the battlefield.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >would have been
              Fantasy battles are fantasy. The bongs fled the real battle.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Didn't see the Japs come play with the British Pacific Fleet either?
          Because the bongs fled, and didn't return til the IJN had ceased to exist.

  20. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Hulls? Good
    Navigation? Good
    Armor? Good
    Armaments? Subpar, cannons were imprecise and unreliable because they lacked proper know how to make high calibers. AA were subpar too, but that seems to be a common problem in all axis powers.
    Calibration? Virtually nonexistent
    Sensors? Nonexistent. Supermarina was a bunch of old retards that thought radars were useless, even though italians already came up with radars themselves (GUFOs). After matapan, they tried to strap them on their ships but it was too late, the navy was in shambles and turmoils were starting to brew in italy after years of humiliations.

    Overall they were good ships purely on a naval Pow, but horrible warships due to the lack of proper arms solutions

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >cannons were imprecise and unreliable because they lacked proper know how to make high calibers

      Nope. The guns were perfectly fine. What the Italians had trouble with on and off was QA for the ammo.

  21. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Theoretically capable ships, shit anything else
    >bbbut we denied the Mediterranean
    The Royal Navy denied Sealion; the Italian Navy got Husky'd and then Anzio'd

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      By the time Anzio started italy has already capitulated, both axis and allies were bombing it, partisans grew like mushrooms and all that was left was a bunch of RSI hooligans on pervitin that knew they were all dead by the end of the year

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >By the time Anzio started italy has already capitulated
        Theoretically, yes; in practice the Allies were still struggling to break through the middle and Anzio was supposed to be an outflanking move to break the stalemate around Monte Cassino

  22. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    anglogarden gnomes threw their empire away to make sure germany wouldn't win

  23. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    For what it is worth, yes.

    The weakest of the 6 major navies of the world. But still stronger than Russia, and had the most battleships out of the remaining nations who actually had battleships.
    But, being locked in the Mediterranean and having a far superior fleet around you on all sides, really does make you look irrelevant.

    For 1939 the next most powerful navy in the world after Italy is debatable between the Dutch, Greece, and the USSR.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >greek and dutch navies
      >powerful
      in 1939 italy's navy was the fourth best in the world

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >greek and dutch navies
        >powerful
        Yes, relatively speaking.
        Only a few countries in the world had powerful navies.
        So after eliminating the UK, the USA, Japan, Italy, and Germany. You don't really have countries that had navies capable of power projection besides those I listed.
        Most nations just had a couple of frigates and patrol boats.

        The South American nations of Brazil, Argentina, and Chile could be debated as being powerful since they where sizeable and did have a few battleships. But they where so far away and lack any bases outside of South America that they would have struggled with power projection.

  24. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, it was one of the strongest at the time.

  25. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You're served.

  26. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    and who know, you din't ear of them for reason, enter the war mid 1940, stuck in port for lack of fuel since 42.

  27. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    not the worst, like the raid on Alexandria was neat
    they had some success with their torpedo bombers, submarines and torpedo boats
    but their larger ships didn't accomplish much

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I don't think so, take a look at Operation Agreement. They defeated the Brits for quite some time until Operation Torch began in late '42.

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Agreement

      >2000 Brits vs 300 Italians + 30 Germans
      >800 Brits killed vs 15 Italians and 1 German KIA
      >576 Brits captured
      >The Brits lost 1 cruiser, 2 destroyers, 4 MTBs, 2 MLs snd several landing craft

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >we were winning until we were losing
        you wanna pull up the stats for the African campaign until the DAK got involved?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Cope and aeethe Brit.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Agreement
        we are cherry picking just a little here, firstly it was an amphibious landing something that always has a higher risk of casualties and is vulnerable to weather, but also something you can only attempt if you have sea control.

        secondly one british destroyer was lost to shore battery the other 2 warships were lost to air attacks by Ju 87 and Ju 88 not the italians...

        reading the actual article which I suspect you hoped most wouldnt bad weather fucked the landing meaning it ended up badly out of position, and the germans managed t get some bombers up in time.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          anon, anyone'd have to cherry pick A LOT to come to any form of conclusion of Italian competence in WW2

  28. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Best treaty heavy cruiser.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      that's because it broke the treaty.

      when inspections came, the Italians would remove everything not required for the ship to move, causing it's tonnage to be within treaty limits. it also had the side effect of panicking the brits, because the ship would be WAY faster than under usual conditions (because of the lower weight)

  29. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    In WW2 they slowed the British down, a bit, in the Mediterranean. That was about it. It was significantly more than the Italian land or air forces managed though, so let's give them some credit for that.

  30. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    not to e-celeb here but you might enjoy these conversations on that very topic

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Fuck just link Wikipedia. Scrpits are just ripped right from it.

  31. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    > blocks your path

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >not satisfied with destroying the cradle of western civilisation, the barbaric German destroys that absolute beauty of a ship that was the RN Roma
      why are they like this

  32. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Not really, but considering how poorly led that RN was, it didn't need to be

  33. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Was the Italian navy actually any good? You never hear anything about it.
    It could have been, had they used it more aggressively. Their ships were ok for the time, but they spent most of the war sitting in port.

  34. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >bong amphibious operation
    No explanation required. We know the rest.

  35. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I heard that the current Italian navy uses glass bottom boats so that they can see the old Italian navy.

  36. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    just proves they aren't whie

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