Fake Russian concern troll pretending to be Pro-NATO concern troll engaging in false flag concern trolling to disrupt the conversion so as to promote a slide thread.
Fake Russian concern troll pretending to be Pro-NATO concern troll engaging in false flag concern trolling to disrupt the conversion so as to promote a slide thread.
>Who the frick even is Will Schryver
Oh, he's pure comedy, Anon. Imagine Armchair Copelord with the delusional tankie bullshit cranked up eleven. Picrel: this is a man who will spend Wednesday reiterating his unshakable confidence in the pompous garbage he spewed on Monday, no matter WHAT happens on Tuesday.
He's so consistently and smugly up his own ass that I can't figure out if it's an elaborate troll or not.
Ok fair but WHO is he? Why do vatniks or tankies even listen to him? Has he written a book? Or is he just another Hinkle? Meaning, has never done anything of note except being a literal FSB kompromat asset.
Near as I can tell, he's a mullet-wearing Boomer in southern Utah. Neverserved, no books authored or anything else of note. >Why do vatniks or tankies even listen to him?
Echo chamber/comfort through times of trouble, I guess? When even RWA, Copelord and Geroman have thrown in the towel and sobbed themselves to sleep, pro-RF partisans can always rely on Mr. Schryver to calmly and pompously predict that this is ALL part of the inevitable Russian victory, and that reality isn't real.
I mean, check the date in picrel: after this jackass spent insinuating that the humiliating Russian retreat from Kharkiv was all an elaborate matryoshka orchestrated by the genius intellects of the Russian Armed Forces, he pivoted to proclaim that their finest hour was about to arrive... just in time for them to flee Kherson.
I swear I haven't cherry-picked his posts at all. If anything, this is just the tip of the iceberg for what a condescending, eyerolling prick he comes off as.
https://i.imgur.com/Hqgy51q.gif
>Looted Dom Perignon
This makes absolutely no sense at any level
Why would NATO commanders (who he probably believes to be corrupt) be drinking looted champagne?
Where is it supposed to be looted from? fricking Ukraine? How the hell does that make any sense?
WHY THE FRICK WOULD NATO, OF WHICH FRICKING FRANCE IS A MEMBER, NEED TO LOOT FRENCH FRICKING CHAMPAGNE FROM AN EASTERN EUROPEAN SHITHOLE??
Oh, there's gems like this sprinkled all throughout his blogging and post history. Like in OP's post, where he refers to the Black Sea flagship, a Project 1164 Atlant class "carrier-killer" that would cost around $750 million to replace, as "the old cruiser Moskva".
It's honestly one of the reasons I ALMOST believe it could be intentional satire.
3 months ago
Anonymous
the part that boggles my mind the most is that it is such an inconsequential thing to be so ridiculously wrong about.
If he had just left out the "looted" bit, it would be infinitely more coherent.
It adds nothing, just makes him look like more of an idiot.
3 months ago
Anonymous
In all fairness Russia IS, supposedly, working on a successor to it named Lider(i.e. leader in english), which costs one billion to "make"
Granted none were build despite them starting to make the first one in 2020, but you know, idea is there, on a paper, even have a model made and all
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Like in OP's post, where he refers to the Black Sea flagship, a Project 1164 Atlant class "carrier-killer" that would cost around $750 million to replace, as "the old cruiser Moskva".
What what gets me about this cope is basically all the heavy hitting surface combatants of the Russian Navy are old Soviet Era shit. If all that stuff is considered expendable* garbage, what about the Russian Navy's surface fleet is supposed to be impressive?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_Russian_Navy_ships
*And it really isn't. Russia hasn't laid down a surface combatant heavier than a frigate for decades.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>North Korea has more modern naval construction capabilities than Russia
SAD! Many such cases!
No really, i can list almost half a dozen such cases
3 months ago
Anonymous
To be fair to them, what exactly is Russia going to use a surface fleet for in the foreseeable future?
Their soviet land stockpiles are absolutely neutered, their air force flies as far as you can throw it and their allied nations have been reduced to fricking NORTH KOREA.
All in all even if every rinky dink rust museum in the Russian navy uhh... returns to port under it's own power then that would genuinely be a net benefit to the Fed or it's coastal successor states because navies are horrendously expensive.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>If all that stuff is considered expendable* garbage, what about the Russian Navy's surface fleet is supposed to be impressive?
It's the vatnik doublethink at work: anything that HASN'T been sunk is clearly an invincible triumph of the superior Russian MIC. Anything that GETS sunk is instantly retconned into obsolete Soviet-era trash that they were going to decommission anyways, xaxaxaxa; the enemy wasted a missile in unwittingly making room for the new and improved vessel that will humble the decadent Wect, and they'll be laying the keel any day now.
It's pretty easy to extrapolate their cope further than the navy. These idiots can pivot from a decade of breathless T-14 hype to immediately insist -- with a deadpan lack of irony -- that "a tank is a tank". And I think a lot of them actually believe it. Meanwhile, I still can't type the phrase "T-55 obr.2023" with a straight face.
>Looted Dom Perignon
This makes absolutely no sense at any level
Why would NATO commanders (who he probably believes to be corrupt) be drinking looted champagne?
Where is it supposed to be looted from? fricking Ukraine? How the hell does that make any sense?
WHY THE FRICK WOULD NATO, OF WHICH FRICKING FRANCE IS A MEMBER, NEED TO LOOT FRENCH FRICKING CHAMPAGNE FROM AN EASTERN EUROPEAN SHITHOLE??
Because the cargo cult phenomenon is very real.
The west is successful because they performed the correct magic incantations and all the good stuff simply manifested.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Do you have the magic incantation for getting a gf?
I think they forgot to include it during my orientation
3 months ago
Anonymous
Shave your pubes, glue them to your chin making the result as scraggly as possible, travel to Chechnya and get volunteered.
Infinite mobik boypussy cheat.
It also shows how much of a Utah bumpkin yokel this dude is. Why would multiple high-ranking officers *in Europe* choose such a boring and overpriced champagne? Sure, it's a decent to good wine, but the wine industry has moved on from the 60s and French wine is slowly being re-evaluated as not being the holy grail of wine anymore. Hell, even the fricking Balkans are starting to pump out decent wines.
They'd be toasting with something a bit more exciting and daring, not a bottle who's primary claim to fame in the current day is giving rappers a word to rhyme with that makes them sound cultured.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>It also shows how much of a Utah bumpkin yokel this dude is.
Oh, agreed -- he epitomizes that small-town provincialism that's never travelled abroad and therefore regards itself as a greater authority on all things, rather than blinkered by lack of perspective. You know the type: "well, my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge, college boy." >t. Iron County native, from a town not far from Will Schryver's
"Masters of empire in London"
There are no bongs who actually beleive we're the masters of anything at this point. Literally Russians and Russian fanboys are the only ones left who still think we're a giant evil empire, it's hilarious how buckbroken they are over the crimean war and sheeyyyt. We have like 80,000 troops to spare and a few ships but in russia the "perfidous anglo" memes are't a joke
Im a burger and i find the Russian obsession with Britain fascinating. Turkey actively shoots down their plane and kills a russian ambassador. They barely care. America bullies them globally including deleting a Wagner company in Syria. They barely care.
Britain breathes. >WE NUKE YOU SOON SYKA IMPERIALIST SCUM. MIGHTY KUZNETSOV SMOGS YOUR COAST XAXAXA
3 months ago
Anonymous
Old grudges and all, it is no exaggeration that anything /misc/ attributes to israelites, Russia will attribute to "anglo-saxons", which I always found to be an odd way of calling brits, its like calling americans "dutch settles" or something like that
3 months ago
Anonymous
>which I always found to be an odd way of calling brits, its like calling americans "dutch settles" or something like that
I read it as an attempt to be poetic by deliberately calling them by an archaic name in that pseudo-cultured affect some vatniks try to put on. It's like referring to Germans as Teutons/Teutonic which you occasionally see.
3 months ago
Anonymous
A Russian's view of the world is infinitely interesting.
The defensive alliance created to stop THEIR imperialist expansion is a Saturday morning cartoon villain-esque organization hell bent on conquest.
Britain controls the world.
The israelites are German supremacists
Every country bordering them is simultaneously both poor and stole all the wealth from noble Russia.
America is a post-apocalyptic tribal society in contstant open revolt against it's totalitarian (German supremacist) israeli state leaders.
The Poles are currently launching an invasion on Ukraine to take land.
It's like if you showed an extraterrestrial a typical Paradox map game in progress and told them this is actual human history.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Simultaneously saying your enemies are controlled by israelites but also nazis is my favorite, they are like little kids just throwing everything into one insult
3 months ago
Anonymous
The most hilarious bit about it is that NAZIisraelite is not a new boogeyman for Russians.
A metric shit tonne of ''middle-eastern hebrews'' are actually just Polak-Russians larping real hard with the majority of Ashkenazim (that is ''german israelites'') actually being oppa blyad vodka kuda? slavs.
So the USSR genuinely believed that these israeli slavs would side with the comintern in the cold war and to nobody's surprise but theirs the israelites told them to shove it.
And that's the story of how the israelites became the nazis. L'chaim Hitler.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Their view of nazis had nothing to do with israelites, unlike western israelite victim dominated narratives (I'm not even being conspiratorial). The only thing Russia has an interest in in demonising the nazis was that they were invaders of Russia and betrayers of an alliance to capture Poland. They do not give a frick about the israelites in this context, they only care about their war dead in history.
Remember Russia also killed a frick ton of israelites after the war, and killed a ton more in gulags so they would leave to Israel and create the new israeli state, they have no interest in promoting "Nazi = kill israelite = bad" since that would implicate themselves as well, they prefer to ignore it and focus on the invader, betrayer, murderer narrative.
Histories priorities change depending on countries narratives and desires to shape history.
3 months ago
Anonymous
3 months ago
Anonymous
Britain is the only remaining power that Russia fought a war with, and never actually got payback on. They beat France, they beat Japan, they beat Germany, but they NEVER won a war against Britain. They're still mad about the Crimean War.
Also, Britain at least seems beatable to them. Even the most krokodil-addled vatnik can recognise that they can't win a straight fight against America.
3 months ago
Anonymous
they unironically bought into the Mein Kampf argument that Britain plays the Continental powers like a puppetmaster, plus there's a lot of Empire envy because Russians look at the British Empire and think "I coulda binna contender", plus Crimean War angst, plus the USSR massively output frickheaps of anti-British propaganda because Britain was regarded as the enemy of Communism AND they helped the White Russians
always bear in mind that when Stalin was informed that Hitler was invading, his first response was "impossibru it must be a perfidious anglo trick!"
I intended the malapropism as a joke, since the correct word is italicized front and center in the pic, but I can see where that might not have been immediately obvious to (You), Anon.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I meant Will Schryver using "maskirovka", not you. You're cool.
>Near as I can tell, he's a mullet-wearing Boomer in southern Utah. Neverserved, no books authored or anything else of note.
FFS even Armchair Baldlord wrote a book.
He's just some dude. Armchair copelord is also just some rando artilleryman who's written a bunch of pedo style teen books, and there's some other guy I cant remember his name who was some nuclear inspector (walks around with a detector and looks for refining equipment that's basically it) that got kompromat by some 17/18 year old girl who "didn't agree with the Russian government" and totally wasn't an FSB asset feeding him what he wanted to hear lmao, can't remember his name though but he's been on RT as a "US military man" before lmao.
Near as I can tell, he's a mullet-wearing Boomer in southern Utah. Neverserved, no books authored or anything else of note. >Why do vatniks or tankies even listen to him?
Echo chamber/comfort through times of trouble, I guess? When even RWA, Copelord and Geroman have thrown in the towel and sobbed themselves to sleep, pro-RF partisans can always rely on Mr. Schryver to calmly and pompously predict that this is ALL part of the inevitable Russian victory, and that reality isn't real.
I mean, check the date in picrel: after this jackass spent insinuating that the humiliating Russian retreat from Kharkiv was all an elaborate matryoshka orchestrated by the genius intellects of the Russian Armed Forces, he pivoted to proclaim that their finest hour was about to arrive... just in time for them to flee Kherson.
Jesus this man is like qtard levels of delusion... basically like a literal vatniks qtard.
Bad take anon, Russian citizens / shills calling for nooks are like us calling for TZD, it's what they want the state to do but they have no power to force the state to do it.
That said Russia won't nook because nooking for any reason other than being invaded or nooked is politically moronic to the point you could expect total global sanctions until your grandchildren died of old age.
I also autistically went through the archive to find the first thread where they finally admit (i.e, open the thread with that it sunk)
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/372852634/
3 months ago
Anonymous
>RU MoD: cruiser Moskva sank while being towed in a storm ;_;7
3 months ago
Anonymous
They were doing pretty well until that RT post dropped.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Oh yeah the threads were full of /k/ommandos telling them it sunk and shit. But they refuse to believe anything unless it comes from Russia (unless it suits their narrative, then it doesn't matter).
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I also autistically went through the archive to find the first thread where they finally admit (i.e, open the thread with that it sunk)
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/372852634/
about 10 hours. They made 9 threads in that time. Literally a thread an hour. People talk about 'Ukrainian shills' but that is objectively shilling. Especially all the weird flags that are supporting Russia in there and using terms and words they wouldn't use.
>globohomosexual nuspeak like Kyiv >UKROP sources like game footage
Do... do they not see the irony of what they're posting? What am I saying, this is /misc/ they burnt out their ability to detect irony along with their lateral reasoning skills years ago.
The main benefit of sinking ships at this point is probably not the immediate military value, but the impact it has on shippers and insurance companies considering the Ukraine trade and risk of Russian interception at sea. That leaves just the air threat which as you say is significantly reduced already.
It's also the kind of thing they can take as a provable success to the US, France, UK, etc when asking for more missiles and artillery shells.
no, but i am susceptible to increased after image effects that light text over a dark background makes, also that cap is fricking tinny and not sized correctly.
>NATO drones and missiles
Wasn’t Moskva sunk by neptunes? Also wasn’t the corvette sunk by Ukrainian drones? >none of the 11 ships, with the exception of tow warships sunk at sea, is meaningful in the context of the current war
It’s so weird how English speaking Ziggers live in some parallel reality to their Russian counterparts. Even Russian milbloggers pointed out how the loss of landing ships is a serious blow to Russia‘s logistics in the region.
>reading comprehension
He said since June 2022 they’ve all been hit with NATO weapons, which is a strange cope in of itself. Moskva was sunk before that cut off.
>Even Russian milbloggers pointed out how the loss of landing ships is a serious blow to Russia‘s logistics in the region.
That's because they can actually read the reports and it is quite impossible not to reach that conclusion. People like this guy literally get handed runsheets from their handlers and have no ability to actually view firsthand information or speak Russian at all.
>People like this guy literally get handed runsheets from their handlers
I genuinely don't believe that American vatniks like Schryver or Copelord are literal Russian assets getting handed canned lines. I think guys like these are just your basic U.S.-based U.S.-hating zealots who support anything they can spin as a win against "the crumbling American Empire." They're not pro-Russia so much as they are boosters for absolutely anything anti-USA.
That's my explanation for their disconnect from the official Russian party line: when the Russian MoD downplays bad news, the Russian Telegram accounts go through mood swings but parrot the official story; Copelord and Schryver and the like are free to blithely ignore anything that doesn't fit their narrative of a "U.S. weak and bad, and I'm a genius who can't be fooled like you sheep".
>note that @KaptainLoma lists 12 ships >Of the other 9 listed
wat
>an old Kilo class sub
He's referring to the Rostov-on-Don here? The one laid down 2011 and launched 2014? the one being used to launch kalibr missiles at parks and residential apartments?
guy walk the whole 9 yards - from "the fleet was negligible", through "they didn't need it", "they were not used" to finish "it was struck by NATO personnel"
Unfortunately, he is correct that most people are generally moronic. We live in world where there is an absolute cacophony of information, more than anyone can really process. Most people just pick out the stuff they like and roll with while ignoring the rest
Midwit take
The truth is all people are moronic but westernisation makes people fractionally less moronic
Look at the vatBlack folk going en masse to be cubed without a whisper of defiance vs. US resistance to Vietnam and say that's thr same
These people act as if "propaganda" and "the media" are concepts entirely unique to the western world. I really doubt a guy in Iran shouting "death to America" is doing it because his intellect independently arrived to that reasoning.
It's a constant Dunning-Kruger standup bit for these folks huh. Honestly, whenever I have moments of self doubt, I like to remember creatures like this exist and feel better knowing that I'm at least somewhat aware of my shortcomings.
>ukraine sunk 12 russian ships >but 9 were sunk while they were dry docked >those dont count lmao >out of 3 that were sunk on water, moskva and ivanvetsz were really old >HAHAHAHAHA >another win for mighty puccia >go putin
Fricking boomers lmao
His constant use of the word "old" either brings in doubt just how "old and useless" these ships really are to Russia, or brings in doubt just how capable Russia is in "replacing these ships no problem".
They have such great shipbuilding capabilities, yet all their shit is decades old?
Dude you can't hate on the Kommuna. She's like a grandma that is VERY disappointed in how her grandkids turned out but she'll still cook them great meals when they're over and send Christmas cards. Because that's what a good grandma does. Plus, a pre soviet ship that's STILL in active service is just cool as hell. The USS Constitution and the HMS Endeavor beat it on a technicality but who cares.
If that sounds neat, get cozy and watch this frens. It's great.
I will be legitimately upset if anything happens to the Kommuna. It is pretty much the only thing in that country that I would not like to be destroyed.
I love how, in all these coping Telegram channels talking about how 'the ship was old and going to be retired soon anyway', the lives of Russian sailors are so completely worthless as to not even be worth mentioning.
>the lives of Russian sailors are so completely worthless as to not even be worth mentioning.
They were old and were in line to decommission later this year anyway, along with their ship.
Its a common theme in pro-Russian posts on PrepHole to talk about equipment as disposable or replaceable and never mention the human aspect of those losses. I've noticed it for a while now, but I'm reluctant to come to the obvious conclusion.
What are some historical events that were also unimpressive?
-Royal Oak in Scapa Flow
-French fleet at Mers-el-Kébir
-Italian fleet at Taranto
-Pacific fleet in Pearl Harbor
Destroying air forces on the ground also seems like a waste of resources
>Destroying air forces on the ground also seems like a waste of resources >Destroying the enemies weapons before they can be used against you is a waste
Black Sea Fleet size >c. 40 surface warships (surface combatants, amphibious, mine warfare) plus support and auxiliaries >7 submarines (2 of which are in the Mediterranean as of March 2022)[2][3]
>In fact, the Ivonovets was actually in Lake Douzlav
Does this mother fricker not comprehend that if Russia can't keep its warships safe inside harbors or lakes in Crimea, then it can't keep them safe in the Western part of the black sea? Meaning they can't say, blockade interdict-shipping outside of Ukraine's one remaining major shipping port in Odessa? I'm sure that the Ukrainians managing that kinda of area denial is entirely inconsequential.
https://www.gro-intelligence.com/insights/ukraine-grain-exports-reach-highest-levels-since-the-war-began
>Does this mother fricker not comprehend that if Russia can't keep its warships safe inside harbors or lakes in Crimea, then it can't keep them safe in the Western part of the black sea? Meaning they can't say, blockade interdict-shipping outside of Ukraine's one remaining major shipping port in Odessa?
Fricking THIS - a successful attack by USVs on a surface ship in internal waters of Crimea is not a good thing for Russia. And the inability to make good on their promise to close Ukraine's grain trade is probably one of the top three strategic wins to date for Ukraine alongside the Kyiv axis withdrawal and the liberation of Kherson
>Does this mother fricker not comprehend that if Russia can't keep its warships safe inside harbors or lakes in Crimea, then it can't keep them safe in the Western part of the black sea? Meaning they can't say, blockade interdict-shipping outside of Ukraine's one remaining major shipping port in Odessa?
These jetski type drones only go fast in calm seas and their action range is small.
The fact Ukraine can basically ship grain, steel coils, and ore through it's ports again shows just how cucked the Black Sea Fleet has become.
Losing Snake Island was bad, the Moskva worse, and the succeeding losses and damages have basically made them incapable of blockading Ukraine altogether.
Most of their remaining frigates and corvettes are either in the Baltic Sea/ Mediterranean now or hugging the East coast of the Black Sea around Novorossiysk.
They also lost a valuable S-300VM that would have allowed them to hit ships from Crimea as well, and Saky/Belbek/Dzhankoi in Crimea are just craters and incapable of supporting aerial patrols, not to mention Ukraine hunts for them when they fly near their coast.
I honestly hope that admiral Sokolov is dead, if I was him I would rather be dead than deal with the humiliation that is the BSF.
is he tho? looks like he's alive but probably paraplegic or something, if he's too lazy to even stand up from his comfy pillow.
also did he speak during that livestream?
The main benefit of sinking ships at this point is probably not the immediate military value, but the impact it has on shippers and insurance companies considering the Ukraine trade and risk of Russian interception at sea. That leaves just the air threat which as you say is significantly reduced already.
I mean it's true that russia losing a corvette doesn't mean much in the grand scheme of things. Calling the Slava class cruiser "old" is more of a comment on the Russian military, seeing as it was the fricking FLAGSHIP of the fleet.
It's not going to tip the balance of the war, but it's a fricking biblical grade humiliation for Russia and makes them look weak and incompetent. It also shows that their big missile cruisers which are the offensive backbone of their navy are just crusty old shitters. I don't think they have produced anything that compares to the Slava since the downfall of ther USSR and it was sunk with a single harpoon equivalent missile.
TL;DR the cope is accurate enough that merking the black sea fleet isn't changing the situation on the ground too much, but that doesn't stop it being a fricking disaster for russia
Sure a missile corvette isn't the same as the totally not needed and anyways not at all sunk Moskva, but I will enjoy the destruction of russian assets anyway and it is less stuff they can sling at Ukraine.
Hopefully it wasn't just russian material assets getting destroyed but Russian military personel getting killed, while one may also enjoy the thought of that leaving some russian widows and orphans back home I'd prefer if they died before spawning more russians as I am nothing but a moderate in these questions.
I think the other anons are wrong, I think it’s more about the idealogical framework for the multipolar nonsense. It’s less about being at war with NATO now, as it is that when the current war is over, they will still be at war with NATO.
To be fair to them, what exactly is Russia going to use a surface fleet for in the foreseeable future?
Their soviet land stockpiles are absolutely neutered, their air force flies as far as you can throw it and their allied nations have been reduced to fricking NORTH KOREA.
All in all even if every rinky dink rust museum in the Russian navy uhh... returns to port under it's own power then that would genuinely be a net benefit to the Fed or it's coastal successor states because navies are horrendously expensive.
At this point I'm convinced Russians and assorted shills just live in some sort of alternate reality and that social media is the only place we share with them in ours. It has to be.
I was the annoying teen shitposting about nazis and Blacks back on old /n/ & /new/ and I got an actual /misc/tard some 5-10 years younger than me at work.
Lives with his granny, addicted to social media, ''single,'' brings up statistics, weird about women - the whole nine yards.
To me it feels like a pit in my stomach, because I legitimately could see how I could have ended up like him if my parents had drunk out of plastic bottles for a couple more years before conceiving me and I grew up with a smart phone from early childhood.
>To me it feels like a pit in my stomach, because I legitimately could see how I could have ended up like him if my parents had drunk out of plastic bottles for a couple more years before conceiving me and I grew up with a smart phone from early childhood.
I get that feeling sometimes too, sometimes I think if I was born a few years later and was more terminally online I might have ended up sucked into groyper homosexualry.
They are either just normal enough to hide their powerlevel or so far gone that they never leave the basement. Complete schizo-tiers who cut their fathers head of on Youtube because the toaster told him israelites are in the wall are luckily far apart
Every mass shooter since Cho was so fricking demented everyone they ever met told police they were dangerous for years on end. Red flag law? Motherfricker that was a red flag deployed by a network of C-130s flying in formation, IN PLACES WITH RED FLAG LAWS.
My cousin is a /misc/tard, but not really, since he's never went on /misc/ once, he's more like, an edgy redditor, he does hold all the shill opinions though. >Ukraine is ruled by Nazi israelites >Putin just wanted to protect his borders
He's a bit of a midwit too, kind of a shame, he's older than me, I looked up to him as a kid.
Simultaneously saying your enemies are controlled by israelites but also nazis is my favorite, they are like little kids just throwing everything into one insult
There's something really amazing about how they can deadass insist that multiple mutually exclusive things are all true, and they do it with the conviction of a true believer rather than a sleazy PR flack. For example: >Russia stronk, check out our enormous Soviet stockpiles of war materiel and all of our doomsday weapons >and any nation even considering NATO membership is a hostile action that bullies poor defenseless Russia >that's because a sovereign state entering a self-defense pact is literally identical to a violation of Russian territorial integrity >Russia would NEVER break the peace by invading another country, and any evidence to the contrary was fabricated by a sinister Russophobic conspiracy, picrel >therefore any nation making arrangements for their own security is an act of unprovoked aggression against the pure and innocent Russian state, who wouldn't hurt a fly with its gargantuan nuclear arsenal >and that was why Russia, a nigh-pacifist entity that can be trusted to uphold international agreements, was forced to wipe their ass all over the Helsinki accords and invade Ukraine with the express intent of annexing it >which Russia would never ever do >(unless it was absolutely necessary because NATO did it first) >I think we can all agree that Russia is the victim here, now let us keep everything we steal or we're gonna noook
Simultaneously saying your enemies are controlled by israelites but also nazis is my favorite, they are like little kids just throwing everything into one insult
https://i.imgur.com/DQEWnhe.jpg
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There's something really amazing about how they can deadass insist that multiple mutually exclusive things are all true, and they do it with the conviction of a true believer rather than a sleazy PR flack. For example: >Russia stronk, check out our enormous Soviet stockpiles of war materiel and all of our doomsday weapons >and any nation even considering NATO membership is a hostile action that bullies poor defenseless Russia >that's because a sovereign state entering a self-defense pact is literally identical to a violation of Russian territorial integrity >Russia would NEVER break the peace by invading another country, and any evidence to the contrary was fabricated by a sinister Russophobic conspiracy, picrel >therefore any nation making arrangements for their own security is an act of unprovoked aggression against the pure and innocent Russian state, who wouldn't hurt a fly with its gargantuan nuclear arsenal >and that was why Russia, a nigh-pacifist entity that can be trusted to uphold international agreements, was forced to wipe their ass all over the Helsinki accords and invade Ukraine with the express intent of annexing it >which Russia would never ever do >(unless it was absolutely necessary because NATO did it first) >I think we can all agree that Russia is the victim here, now let us keep everything we steal or we're gonna noook
>4 km
It's significantly better than that. Although do remember to mention that Norksander has been proven (by Russia itself ) to be superior to Iskander in every way in a direct side by side combat test.
I mean, anyone can make that stuff if they siphon enough funds from your people to go into making weapons. The problem with Russia is that their siphoned fund go into oligarch pockets instead of making a big army
They need Juche and some serious on the spot field guidance, not even joking. Actually making sure shit is getting done and counting your tires like Kim constantly does prevents people like Kim from stealing your stuff.
The problem is Russia is beyond the point of simply sending people and making sure shit gets done. Their factories are falling apart due to decades of negligence and money laundering. Do you remember that meeting when some advisor said it would take 4 years to meet Putin's requested threshold of production and Putin freaked out and demanded it be done in 6 months? They're actually screwed
3 months ago
Anonymous
>simply sending people and making sure shit gets done
Ah yes, the Potemkin village.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Russia want to be gangsta but Kim be like 'yo homie yo posse got no drip and someone stole the rims off yo ride' and Putin be like 'homie i know that was you that took them' and Kim be all 'you is tripping b***h' now you want some rock or not?'
3 months ago
Anonymous
God damn, I don't know why she's so fricking sexy. There's just something about her...I'm not even into asiatics either.
It's honestly correct for pozziya
Even at their peak their only overseas ally was Cuba
The only thing is... if you have no navy you have to admit you're not a superpower... because power projecting across thr globe is what a superpower does.
So puccia builds absolutely shit tier worthless navies that gain them nothing. Its an entire nation of four year olds and past time they ended.
TZD
>Even at their peak their only overseas ally was Cuba
That's not even true. They had allies in Asia (Vietnam) and Africa (Libya) and the Middle East (Israel for a while until they figured they could israelite more out of the U.S., Syria).
>A dead zigger is a net positive financially. They're ridiculously expensive in onions while providing zero utility and generally just being a walking target.
>Russia doesn't need these ships, they do not impact the war >Also they will invade and take Odessa
MAKE UP YOUR MIND Black person, DAMN
Like getting your gf to pick a restaurant, honestly.
>Who the frick even is Will Schryver
Oh, he's pure comedy, Anon. Imagine Armchair Copelord with the delusional tankie bullshit cranked up eleven. Picrel: this is a man who will spend Wednesday reiterating his unshakable confidence in the pompous garbage he spewed on Monday, no matter WHAT happens on Tuesday.
He's so consistently and smugly up his own ass that I can't figure out if it's an elaborate troll or not.
https://i.imgur.com/mpQFxOX.jpg
>will schryver
https://i.imgur.com/3YeHnXT.png
New cope about the Black Sea Fleet just dropped
Great job Will, good news! The contractors finally finished that dildo you wanted!
Let's evaluate some of these confident assertions from the esteemed Mr. Schryver: >All the Kalibrs are launched via BSF Missile ships.
ALL of them ,Will? I'm pretty sure the Kilo class subs are the Kalibr workhorse, but picrel does seem to indicate that there's some Kalibr-capable BSF surface ships, and -- despite being classed as a "missile corvette" -- the Ivanovets wasn't one of them, being anti-ship rather than anti-apartment block. >Russian intel / patrol ships sail freely around the Black Sea.
Will. Buddy. What part of the video you just saw looked like that patrol ship sailed freely anywhere other than straight to Davy Jones' locker? Russia has lost 20% of the 80 vessels in the BSF. Their best units are currently huddled in Novosibirsk to avoid further costly losses. They lost enough ships that they had to switch to plan B and mine the waterways. If these Russian sea and air patrols were so effective, how the frick did they lose the Moskva? >And Odessa will be Russian again.
BWAAAAHHHHH-HAHAHAHAHA, are you fricking kidding me Show me the Russian plan to re-cross the river and occupy Kherson City again and I might actually consider this something other than copium-induced delusions of adequacy.
Ships destroyed in dock, or lakes, don't count.
Planes and Helicopters destroyed on the ground don't count.
Soldiers killed in their barracks don't count.
These kinds of losses are all magically refunded and don't affect the war at all.
Obviously, if you lose them outside your base you need to send a recovery unit out to recoup their cost but they're auto-recovered if they're destroyed within the control radius of a supply depot, factory, barracks, or defensive building.
I'm sorry, but did the Black Sea Fleat already lose? Oh, that's right. The special military operation isn't even over yet. In fact, it's only halftime. Does not having the lead at halftime count as a loss? Is that what you're saying? Because if you're saying that I can assure you that you're wrong. Why would you make this topic when the special military operation is still on? The Black Sea Fleat are still sailing right now and they have been the best fleet for how many years now? They're fighting one of the worst navies in the world who just happen to have a lead because they're feeding off the energy of sinking all our ships. But you know what? They still fricking suck. The Black Sea Fleat is one of the best fricking fleets in the world, they went 13-3 last century and would of won the war if Rozhestvensky didn't choke. Maybe you should shut the frick up before you make moronic topics like this. You know why? Because you're going to be embarrassed when the Black Sea Fleet wins and someone bumps this topic. Oh look at that, Hohols just wasted a dozen sea drones when they needed to hit only one, just like the Patriots did. Are you a fricking drunk? Are you moronic? Are you autistic? You are a fricking idiot and you should never make a topic on this board again and I'm fricking serious. I almost have a feeling you're the only guy making all these anti-Black Sea Fleet topics because you're a homosexual hater who doesn't like the navy because they're good. Frick you, be good at something in YOUR life and then maybe try to troll these fricking fleets on the board, like I give a frick. It's so easy to spot out your threads now, you're a moron. Always doing stupid shit like this. Why don't you try to be a good poster? Just for once? For once in your fricking life try not to make a topic like this. That's just you, you're always right at getting it wrong. Frick you. You are nothing.
And you just know that when this same homosexual reads about the latest Houthi incident where US had to use CIWS to shoot down a missile, he considers it a sign of US getting dethroned forever.
Literally the US captain: "Huh. CIWS. Never got to use that before, cool! What a mudhut dweller victory that, getting SO close they still have a 0% hit rate.".
>when you destroy your enemy you are desperate
lmao
Who the frick even is Will Schryver
Pro-Russian concern troll.
Fake Russian concern troll pretending to be Pro-NATO concern troll engaging in false flag concern trolling to disrupt the conversion so as to promote a slide thread.
Orwellian Nu-speak
The joke:
You:
>Who the frick even is Will Schryver
Oh, he's pure comedy, Anon. Imagine Armchair Copelord with the delusional tankie bullshit cranked up eleven. Picrel: this is a man who will spend Wednesday reiterating his unshakable confidence in the pompous garbage he spewed on Monday, no matter WHAT happens on Tuesday.
He's so consistently and smugly up his own ass that I can't figure out if it's an elaborate troll or not.
Ok fair but WHO is he? Why do vatniks or tankies even listen to him? Has he written a book? Or is he just another Hinkle? Meaning, has never done anything of note except being a literal FSB kompromat asset.
Near as I can tell, he's a mullet-wearing Boomer in southern Utah. Neverserved, no books authored or anything else of note.
>Why do vatniks or tankies even listen to him?
Echo chamber/comfort through times of trouble, I guess? When even RWA, Copelord and Geroman have thrown in the towel and sobbed themselves to sleep, pro-RF partisans can always rely on Mr. Schryver to calmly and pompously predict that this is ALL part of the inevitable Russian victory, and that reality isn't real.
I mean, check the date in picrel: after this jackass spent insinuating that the humiliating Russian retreat from Kharkiv was all an elaborate matryoshka orchestrated by the genius intellects of the Russian Armed Forces, he pivoted to proclaim that their finest hour was about to arrive... just in time for them to flee Kherson.
Why does it read like a typical vatnik?
No American writes like that.
Trying to sound intelligent and important. Copelord writes in a similar manner.
I swear I haven't cherry-picked his posts at all. If anything, this is just the tip of the iceberg for what a condescending, eyerolling prick he comes off as.
Oh, there's gems like this sprinkled all throughout his blogging and post history. Like in OP's post, where he refers to the Black Sea flagship, a Project 1164 Atlant class "carrier-killer" that would cost around $750 million to replace, as "the old cruiser Moskva".
It's honestly one of the reasons I ALMOST believe it could be intentional satire.
the part that boggles my mind the most is that it is such an inconsequential thing to be so ridiculously wrong about.
If he had just left out the "looted" bit, it would be infinitely more coherent.
It adds nothing, just makes him look like more of an idiot.
In all fairness Russia IS, supposedly, working on a successor to it named Lider(i.e. leader in english), which costs one billion to "make"
Granted none were build despite them starting to make the first one in 2020, but you know, idea is there, on a paper, even have a model made and all
>Like in OP's post, where he refers to the Black Sea flagship, a Project 1164 Atlant class "carrier-killer" that would cost around $750 million to replace, as "the old cruiser Moskva".
What what gets me about this cope is basically all the heavy hitting surface combatants of the Russian Navy are old Soviet Era shit. If all that stuff is considered expendable* garbage, what about the Russian Navy's surface fleet is supposed to be impressive?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_Russian_Navy_ships
*And it really isn't. Russia hasn't laid down a surface combatant heavier than a frigate for decades.
>North Korea has more modern naval construction capabilities than Russia
SAD! Many such cases!
No really, i can list almost half a dozen such cases
To be fair to them, what exactly is Russia going to use a surface fleet for in the foreseeable future?
Their soviet land stockpiles are absolutely neutered, their air force flies as far as you can throw it and their allied nations have been reduced to fricking NORTH KOREA.
All in all even if every rinky dink rust museum in the Russian navy uhh... returns to port under it's own power then that would genuinely be a net benefit to the Fed or it's coastal successor states because navies are horrendously expensive.
>If all that stuff is considered expendable* garbage, what about the Russian Navy's surface fleet is supposed to be impressive?
It's the vatnik doublethink at work: anything that HASN'T been sunk is clearly an invincible triumph of the superior Russian MIC. Anything that GETS sunk is instantly retconned into obsolete Soviet-era trash that they were going to decommission anyways, xaxaxaxa; the enemy wasted a missile in unwittingly making room for the new and improved vessel that will humble the decadent Wect, and they'll be laying the keel any day now.
It's pretty easy to extrapolate their cope further than the navy. These idiots can pivot from a decade of breathless T-14 hype to immediately insist -- with a deadpan lack of irony -- that "a tank is a tank". And I think a lot of them actually believe it. Meanwhile, I still can't type the phrase "T-55 obr.2023" with a straight face.
Autism.
he writes like a fricking ponce.
>Looted Dom Perignon
This makes absolutely no sense at any level
Why would NATO commanders (who he probably believes to be corrupt) be drinking looted champagne?
Where is it supposed to be looted from? fricking Ukraine? How the hell does that make any sense?
WHY THE FRICK WOULD NATO, OF WHICH FRICKING FRANCE IS A MEMBER, NEED TO LOOT FRENCH FRICKING CHAMPAGNE FROM AN EASTERN EUROPEAN SHITHOLE??
Because the cargo cult phenomenon is very real.
The west is successful because they performed the correct magic incantations and all the good stuff simply manifested.
Do you have the magic incantation for getting a gf?
I think they forgot to include it during my orientation
Shave your pubes, glue them to your chin making the result as scraggly as possible, travel to Chechnya and get volunteered.
Infinite mobik boypussy cheat.
It also shows how much of a Utah bumpkin yokel this dude is. Why would multiple high-ranking officers *in Europe* choose such a boring and overpriced champagne? Sure, it's a decent to good wine, but the wine industry has moved on from the 60s and French wine is slowly being re-evaluated as not being the holy grail of wine anymore. Hell, even the fricking Balkans are starting to pump out decent wines.
They'd be toasting with something a bit more exciting and daring, not a bottle who's primary claim to fame in the current day is giving rappers a word to rhyme with that makes them sound cultured.
>It also shows how much of a Utah bumpkin yokel this dude is.
Oh, agreed -- he epitomizes that small-town provincialism that's never travelled abroad and therefore regards itself as a greater authority on all things, rather than blinkered by lack of perspective. You know the type: "well, my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge, college boy."
>t. Iron County native, from a town not far from Will Schryver's
"Masters of empire in London"
There are no bongs who actually beleive we're the masters of anything at this point. Literally Russians and Russian fanboys are the only ones left who still think we're a giant evil empire, it's hilarious how buckbroken they are over the crimean war and sheeyyyt. We have like 80,000 troops to spare and a few ships but in russia the "perfidous anglo" memes are't a joke
Im a burger and i find the Russian obsession with Britain fascinating. Turkey actively shoots down their plane and kills a russian ambassador. They barely care. America bullies them globally including deleting a Wagner company in Syria. They barely care.
Britain breathes.
>WE NUKE YOU SOON SYKA IMPERIALIST SCUM. MIGHTY KUZNETSOV SMOGS YOUR COAST XAXAXA
Old grudges and all, it is no exaggeration that anything /misc/ attributes to israelites, Russia will attribute to "anglo-saxons", which I always found to be an odd way of calling brits, its like calling americans "dutch settles" or something like that
>which I always found to be an odd way of calling brits, its like calling americans "dutch settles" or something like that
I read it as an attempt to be poetic by deliberately calling them by an archaic name in that pseudo-cultured affect some vatniks try to put on. It's like referring to Germans as Teutons/Teutonic which you occasionally see.
A Russian's view of the world is infinitely interesting.
The defensive alliance created to stop THEIR imperialist expansion is a Saturday morning cartoon villain-esque organization hell bent on conquest.
Britain controls the world.
The israelites are German supremacists
Every country bordering them is simultaneously both poor and stole all the wealth from noble Russia.
America is a post-apocalyptic tribal society in contstant open revolt against it's totalitarian (German supremacist) israeli state leaders.
The Poles are currently launching an invasion on Ukraine to take land.
It's like if you showed an extraterrestrial a typical Paradox map game in progress and told them this is actual human history.
Simultaneously saying your enemies are controlled by israelites but also nazis is my favorite, they are like little kids just throwing everything into one insult
The most hilarious bit about it is that NAZIisraelite is not a new boogeyman for Russians.
A metric shit tonne of ''middle-eastern hebrews'' are actually just Polak-Russians larping real hard with the majority of Ashkenazim (that is ''german israelites'') actually being oppa blyad vodka kuda? slavs.
So the USSR genuinely believed that these israeli slavs would side with the comintern in the cold war and to nobody's surprise but theirs the israelites told them to shove it.
And that's the story of how the israelites became the nazis. L'chaim Hitler.
Their view of nazis had nothing to do with israelites, unlike western israelite victim dominated narratives (I'm not even being conspiratorial). The only thing Russia has an interest in in demonising the nazis was that they were invaders of Russia and betrayers of an alliance to capture Poland. They do not give a frick about the israelites in this context, they only care about their war dead in history.
Remember Russia also killed a frick ton of israelites after the war, and killed a ton more in gulags so they would leave to Israel and create the new israeli state, they have no interest in promoting "Nazi = kill israelite = bad" since that would implicate themselves as well, they prefer to ignore it and focus on the invader, betrayer, murderer narrative.
Histories priorities change depending on countries narratives and desires to shape history.
Britain is the only remaining power that Russia fought a war with, and never actually got payback on. They beat France, they beat Japan, they beat Germany, but they NEVER won a war against Britain. They're still mad about the Crimean War.
Also, Britain at least seems beatable to them. Even the most krokodil-addled vatnik can recognise that they can't win a straight fight against America.
they unironically bought into the Mein Kampf argument that Britain plays the Continental powers like a puppetmaster, plus there's a lot of Empire envy because Russians look at the British Empire and think "I coulda binna contender", plus Crimean War angst, plus the USSR massively output frickheaps of anti-British propaganda because Britain was regarded as the enemy of Communism AND they helped the White Russians
always bear in mind that when Stalin was informed that Hitler was invading, his first response was "impossibru it must be a perfidious anglo trick!"
>maskirovka
I hate when normies use specialized terms.
I intended the malapropism as a joke, since the correct word is italicized front and center in the pic, but I can see where that might not have been immediately obvious to (You), Anon.
I meant Will Schryver using "maskirovka", not you. You're cool.
>the shoe will drop and it will fall like a thunderbolt
He even writes like a real zigger with their awkward yet elaborate analogies, cute!
>Near as I can tell, he's a mullet-wearing Boomer in southern Utah. Neverserved, no books authored or anything else of note.
FFS even Armchair Baldlord wrote a book.
lel
vatniks and tankies will unironically flock around anyone willing to support their bullshit.
He's just some dude. Armchair copelord is also just some rando artilleryman who's written a bunch of pedo style teen books, and there's some other guy I cant remember his name who was some nuclear inspector (walks around with a detector and looks for refining equipment that's basically it) that got kompromat by some 17/18 year old girl who "didn't agree with the Russian government" and totally wasn't an FSB asset feeding him what he wanted to hear lmao, can't remember his name though but he's been on RT as a "US military man" before lmao.
Jesus this man is like qtard levels of delusion... basically like a literal vatniks qtard.
I kid you not, the rabbit hole goes even deeper into copium-overdosed moronation. Scroll his blog posts or Twitter history, it's hilarious.
>no full scale invasion of Ukraine was ever contemplated or occurred
Holy fricking shit
Remember, it's only a war if Russia says it is. otherwise every Russian killed by Ukraine is an act of terrorism
Shit we must of missed the part where the black sea fleet yelled "safety" when entering port.
Truly the rooster is pounding our ass for such perfiddy.
>Old cruiser Moskva
Funny way of calling a flagship of the black sea navy
Also funny how when it was sunk they were hysterical and calling for full scale war, even nuking kyiv.
I remember that moment as when i realized russia either couldnt or wouldnt nuke shit
Bad take anon, Russian citizens / shills calling for nooks are like us calling for TZD, it's what they want the state to do but they have no power to force the state to do it.
That said Russia won't nook because nooking for any reason other than being invaded or nooked is politically moronic to the point you could expect total global sanctions until your grandchildren died of old age.
What are you even on about.
The Moskva never sunk, it was sunk by Boris Johnson piloting a kamikaze plane into it and we didn't need it anyway.
>latest
>moskva is alive
How long did that last?
The Moskva never sunk, it returned to port under it's own power.
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/372778088/#372778088
Knock yourself out.
I also autistically went through the archive to find the first thread where they finally admit (i.e, open the thread with that it sunk)
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/372852634/
>RU MoD: cruiser Moskva sank while being towed in a storm ;_;7
They were doing pretty well until that RT post dropped.
Oh yeah the threads were full of /k/ommandos telling them it sunk and shit. But they refuse to believe anything unless it comes from Russia (unless it suits their narrative, then it doesn't matter).
according to this anon
about 10 hours. They made 9 threads in that time. Literally a thread an hour. People talk about 'Ukrainian shills' but that is objectively shilling. Especially all the weird flags that are supporting Russia in there and using terms and words they wouldn't use.
>globohomosexual nuspeak like Kyiv
>UKROP sources like game footage
Do... do they not see the irony of what they're posting? What am I saying, this is /misc/ they burnt out their ability to detect irony along with their lateral reasoning skills years ago.
It's also the kind of thing they can take as a provable success to the US, France, UK, etc when asking for more missiles and artillery shells.
>black sea
is just some pond
it was never really important
>is just some pond
>it was never really important
I guess that means they don't really need a warm water port to service it then
>Ships in port automatically don't matter simply by virtue of being in port
damn someone should have told FDR that pearl harbour was no biggie
can i get that in larger text that isnt fricking night mode please
what are you, seventy?
no, but i am susceptible to increased after image effects that light text over a dark background makes, also that cap is fricking tinny and not sized correctly.
Cope in being
>NATO drones and missiles
Wasn’t Moskva sunk by neptunes? Also wasn’t the corvette sunk by Ukrainian drones?
>none of the 11 ships, with the exception of tow warships sunk at sea, is meaningful in the context of the current war
It’s so weird how English speaking Ziggers live in some parallel reality to their Russian counterparts. Even Russian milbloggers pointed out how the loss of landing ships is a serious blow to Russia‘s logistics in the region.
>Wasn’t Moskva sunk by neptunes? Also wasn’t the corvette sunk by Ukrainian drones?
I heard it was sunk using Bayraktars.
Both are true. The bayraktar caused the ship to focus on it while 2 neptunes slapped into it.
>reading comprehension
He said since June 2022 they’ve all been hit with NATO weapons, which is a strange cope in of itself. Moskva was sunk before that cut off.
What a strange cut off point, almost like it was intentional or something to try and make your enemy seem less competent
>Even Russian milbloggers pointed out how the loss of landing ships is a serious blow to Russia‘s logistics in the region.
That's because they can actually read the reports and it is quite impossible not to reach that conclusion. People like this guy literally get handed runsheets from their handlers and have no ability to actually view firsthand information or speak Russian at all.
>People like this guy literally get handed runsheets from their handlers
I genuinely don't believe that American vatniks like Schryver or Copelord are literal Russian assets getting handed canned lines. I think guys like these are just your basic U.S.-based U.S.-hating zealots who support anything they can spin as a win against "the crumbling American Empire." They're not pro-Russia so much as they are boosters for absolutely anything anti-USA.
That's my explanation for their disconnect from the official Russian party line: when the Russian MoD downplays bad news, the Russian Telegram accounts go through mood swings but parrot the official story; Copelord and Schryver and the like are free to blithely ignore anything that doesn't fit their narrative of a "U.S. weak and bad, and I'm a genius who can't be fooled like you sheep".
>We dont really need the Moskva
>note that @KaptainLoma lists 12 ships
>Of the other 9 listed
wat
>an old Kilo class sub
He's referring to the Rostov-on-Don here? The one laid down 2011 and launched 2014? the one being used to launch kalibr missiles at parks and residential apartments?
guy walk the whole 9 yards - from "the fleet was negligible", through "they didn't need it", "they were not used" to finish "it was struck by NATO personnel"
>will schryver
Unfortunately, he is correct that most people are generally moronic. We live in world where there is an absolute cacophony of information, more than anyone can really process. Most people just pick out the stuff they like and roll with while ignoring the rest
Midwit take
The truth is all people are moronic but westernisation makes people fractionally less moronic
Look at the vatBlack folk going en masse to be cubed without a whisper of defiance vs. US resistance to Vietnam and say that's thr same
Rare vatnik W
>t. npc cattle
I miss the days when shills for an enemy nation would have their lives destroyed.
These people act as if "propaganda" and "the media" are concepts entirely unique to the western world. I really doubt a guy in Iran shouting "death to America" is doing it because his intellect independently arrived to that reasoning.
you base an entire town's economy off of mining the irony in that post.
It's a constant Dunning-Kruger standup bit for these folks huh. Honestly, whenever I have moments of self doubt, I like to remember creatures like this exist and feel better knowing that I'm at least somewhat aware of my shortcomings.
he does have a point that every1 thinks they are not affected by propoganda.
>ukraine sunk 12 russian ships
>but 9 were sunk while they were dry docked
>those dont count lmao
>out of 3 that were sunk on water, moskva and ivanvetsz were really old
>HAHAHAHAHA
>another win for mighty puccia
>go putin
Fricking boomers lmao
>old cruiser
>old corvette
Is there any ship in the russian navy that isnt atleast 40 years old?
Like, holy shit, they still use a salvage ship thats over 100 years old, is older than the fricking soviet union
His constant use of the word "old" either brings in doubt just how "old and useless" these ships really are to Russia, or brings in doubt just how capable Russia is in "replacing these ships no problem".
They have such great shipbuilding capabilities, yet all their shit is decades old?
Dude you can't hate on the Kommuna. She's like a grandma that is VERY disappointed in how her grandkids turned out but she'll still cook them great meals when they're over and send Christmas cards. Because that's what a good grandma does. Plus, a pre soviet ship that's STILL in active service is just cool as hell. The USS Constitution and the HMS Endeavor beat it on a technicality but who cares.
If that sounds neat, get cozy and watch this frens. It's great.
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I will be legitimately upset if anything happens to the Kommuna. It is pretty much the only thing in that country that I would not like to be destroyed.
I would like to visit St Basil's Cathedral, I think
I love how, in all these coping Telegram channels talking about how 'the ship was old and going to be retired soon anyway', the lives of Russian sailors are so completely worthless as to not even be worth mentioning.
they die for monke and his dream of banan, a worthy death for any serf
The ship was crewed by hohol POWs.
>the lives of Russian sailors are so completely worthless as to not even be worth mentioning.
They were old and were in line to decommission later this year anyway, along with their ship.
Its a common theme in pro-Russian posts on PrepHole to talk about equipment as disposable or replaceable and never mention the human aspect of those losses. I've noticed it for a while now, but I'm reluctant to come to the obvious conclusion.
Russians value the lives of their countrymen less than the moderates here calling for TZD, it's a truly vile culture
What are some historical events that were also unimpressive?
-Royal Oak in Scapa Flow
-French fleet at Mers-el-Kébir
-Italian fleet at Taranto
-Pacific fleet in Pearl Harbor
Destroying air forces on the ground also seems like a waste of resources
>Destroying air forces on the ground also seems like a waste of resources
>Destroying the enemies weapons before they can be used against you is a waste
>nato provided surface drones
literally made by some dude in a garage lmao
Black Sea Fleet size
>c. 40 surface warships (surface combatants, amphibious, mine warfare) plus support and auxiliaries
>7 submarines (2 of which are in the Mediterranean as of March 2022)[2][3]
21 Ships damaged or destroyed
>In fact, the Ivonovets was actually in Lake Douzlav
Does this mother fricker not comprehend that if Russia can't keep its warships safe inside harbors or lakes in Crimea, then it can't keep them safe in the Western part of the black sea? Meaning they can't say, blockade interdict-shipping outside of Ukraine's one remaining major shipping port in Odessa? I'm sure that the Ukrainians managing that kinda of area denial is entirely inconsequential.
https://www.gro-intelligence.com/insights/ukraine-grain-exports-reach-highest-levels-since-the-war-began
>Does this mother fricker not comprehend that if Russia can't keep its warships safe inside harbors or lakes in Crimea, then it can't keep them safe in the Western part of the black sea? Meaning they can't say, blockade interdict-shipping outside of Ukraine's one remaining major shipping port in Odessa?
Fricking THIS - a successful attack by USVs on a surface ship in internal waters of Crimea is not a good thing for Russia. And the inability to make good on their promise to close Ukraine's grain trade is probably one of the top three strategic wins to date for Ukraine alongside the Kyiv axis withdrawal and the liberation of Kherson
>Does this mother fricker not comprehend that if Russia can't keep its warships safe inside harbors or lakes in Crimea, then it can't keep them safe in the Western part of the black sea? Meaning they can't say, blockade interdict-shipping outside of Ukraine's one remaining major shipping port in Odessa?
These jetski type drones only go fast in calm seas and their action range is small.
The black sea is aleays calm you dumb frick
The fact Ukraine can basically ship grain, steel coils, and ore through it's ports again shows just how cucked the Black Sea Fleet has become.
Losing Snake Island was bad, the Moskva worse, and the succeeding losses and damages have basically made them incapable of blockading Ukraine altogether.
Most of their remaining frigates and corvettes are either in the Baltic Sea/ Mediterranean now or hugging the East coast of the Black Sea around Novorossiysk.
They also lost a valuable S-300VM that would have allowed them to hit ships from Crimea as well, and Saky/Belbek/Dzhankoi in Crimea are just craters and incapable of supporting aerial patrols, not to mention Ukraine hunts for them when they fly near their coast.
I honestly hope that admiral Sokolov is dead, if I was him I would rather be dead than deal with the humiliation that is the BSF.
History teaches us many things, but one thing for certain; the sea hates vatniks
is he tho? looks like he's alive but probably paraplegic or something, if he's too lazy to even stand up from his comfy pillow.
also did he speak during that livestream?
>also did he speak during that livestream
no
He didn't speak, he didn't move, he didn't open his eyes. It was LITERALLY a Weekend at Bernie's style comedy sketch done unironically.
The main benefit of sinking ships at this point is probably not the immediate military value, but the impact it has on shippers and insurance companies considering the Ukraine trade and risk of Russian interception at sea. That leaves just the air threat which as you say is significantly reduced already.
>we didn't need it anyway
I mean it's true that russia losing a corvette doesn't mean much in the grand scheme of things. Calling the Slava class cruiser "old" is more of a comment on the Russian military, seeing as it was the fricking FLAGSHIP of the fleet.
It's not going to tip the balance of the war, but it's a fricking biblical grade humiliation for Russia and makes them look weak and incompetent. It also shows that their big missile cruisers which are the offensive backbone of their navy are just crusty old shitters. I don't think they have produced anything that compares to the Slava since the downfall of ther USSR and it was sunk with a single harpoon equivalent missile.
TL;DR the cope is accurate enough that merking the black sea fleet isn't changing the situation on the ground too much, but that doesn't stop it being a fricking disaster for russia
Sure a missile corvette isn't the same as the totally not needed and anyways not at all sunk Moskva, but I will enjoy the destruction of russian assets anyway and it is less stuff they can sling at Ukraine.
Hopefully it wasn't just russian material assets getting destroyed but Russian military personel getting killed, while one may also enjoy the thought of that leaving some russian widows and orphans back home I'd prefer if they died before spawning more russians as I am nothing but a moderate in these questions.
>old kilo class in a drydock
A modernized kilo with the ability to launch kalibrs.
Among the rest of the garbage this trash heap put out.
Why do they so desperately want NATO personnel to be directly involved in this?
Less humiliating than having to admit being beat by the second poorest country in Europe
>it took the entire world to defeat us
is much more digestible than
>we got ground into dust trying to invade fricking Ukraine
They consider Yooks to be racially inferior, they want an excuse fir losing.
I think the other anons are wrong, I think it’s more about the idealogical framework for the multipolar nonsense. It’s less about being at war with NATO now, as it is that when the current war is over, they will still be at war with NATO.
>old kilo-class sub
it was one of the most modern submarines in russia's arsenal lol
Meanwhile.....
That looks like a bad CGI rendering to me.
It was just a waste of ressources ackshually
here, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
t. moderate
At this point I'm convinced Russians and assorted shills just live in some sort of alternate reality and that social media is the only place we share with them in ours. It has to be.
i've never met a poltard in real life either, or if i have they were afraid to be honest
I was the annoying teen shitposting about nazis and Blacks back on old /n/ & /new/ and I got an actual /misc/tard some 5-10 years younger than me at work.
Lives with his granny, addicted to social media, ''single,'' brings up statistics, weird about women - the whole nine yards.
To me it feels like a pit in my stomach, because I legitimately could see how I could have ended up like him if my parents had drunk out of plastic bottles for a couple more years before conceiving me and I grew up with a smart phone from early childhood.
>To me it feels like a pit in my stomach, because I legitimately could see how I could have ended up like him if my parents had drunk out of plastic bottles for a couple more years before conceiving me and I grew up with a smart phone from early childhood.
I get that feeling sometimes too, sometimes I think if I was born a few years later and was more terminally online I might have ended up sucked into groyper homosexualry.
They are either just normal enough to hide their powerlevel or so far gone that they never leave the basement. Complete schizo-tiers who cut their fathers head of on Youtube because the toaster told him israelites are in the wall are luckily far apart
Every mass shooter since Cho was so fricking demented everyone they ever met told police they were dangerous for years on end. Red flag law? Motherfricker that was a red flag deployed by a network of C-130s flying in formation, IN PLACES WITH RED FLAG LAWS.
My cousin is a /misc/tard, but not really, since he's never went on /misc/ once, he's more like, an edgy redditor, he does hold all the shill opinions though.
>Ukraine is ruled by Nazi israelites
>Putin just wanted to protect his borders
He's a bit of a midwit too, kind of a shame, he's older than me, I looked up to him as a kid.
There's something really amazing about how they can deadass insist that multiple mutually exclusive things are all true, and they do it with the conviction of a true believer rather than a sleazy PR flack. For example:
>Russia stronk, check out our enormous Soviet stockpiles of war materiel and all of our doomsday weapons
>and any nation even considering NATO membership is a hostile action that bullies poor defenseless Russia
>that's because a sovereign state entering a self-defense pact is literally identical to a violation of Russian territorial integrity
>Russia would NEVER break the peace by invading another country, and any evidence to the contrary was fabricated by a sinister Russophobic conspiracy, picrel
>therefore any nation making arrangements for their own security is an act of unprovoked aggression against the pure and innocent Russian state, who wouldn't hurt a fly with its gargantuan nuclear arsenal
>and that was why Russia, a nigh-pacifist entity that can be trusted to uphold international agreements, was forced to wipe their ass all over the Helsinki accords and invade Ukraine with the express intent of annexing it
>which Russia would never ever do
>(unless it was absolutely necessary because NATO did it first)
>I think we can all agree that Russia is the victim here, now let us keep everything we steal or we're gonna noook
It's just jaw-dropping.
>85 years ago it was already "the *old story"
Russia is stuck in some sort of time anomaly
The Zone works in mysterious ways, comrade.
you joke, but actually though
>Saltykov
Can you blame him? He knew where things were going
>deadass insist
The frick is wrong with zoomer lingo?
objectively it's not any worse than the boomer "no shit"
typical of bloody Russia that they can't even AI animate the fricker, when AI porn parody voice-overs are already making the rounds on Tiktok
backwards and lazy
where is this from? surprisingly deep
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Bullshit
Short book by a philosopher
thanks
the last paragraph of that excerpt is very good
Tell him that North Korea seems to invest quite a fair bit into their navy and still uses rockets with CEP of like 4km.
>4 km
It's significantly better than that. Although do remember to mention that Norksander has been proven (by Russia itself ) to be superior to Iskander in every way in a direct side by side combat test.
Might be the reason the Norks can make new surface ships and submarines while Russia can't.
I mean, anyone can make that stuff if they siphon enough funds from your people to go into making weapons. The problem with Russia is that their siphoned fund go into oligarch pockets instead of making a big army
They need Juche and some serious on the spot field guidance, not even joking. Actually making sure shit is getting done and counting your tires like Kim constantly does prevents people like Kim from stealing your stuff.
The problem is Russia is beyond the point of simply sending people and making sure shit gets done. Their factories are falling apart due to decades of negligence and money laundering. Do you remember that meeting when some advisor said it would take 4 years to meet Putin's requested threshold of production and Putin freaked out and demanded it be done in 6 months? They're actually screwed
>simply sending people and making sure shit gets done
Ah yes, the Potemkin village.
Russia want to be gangsta but Kim be like 'yo homie yo posse got no drip and someone stole the rims off yo ride' and Putin be like 'homie i know that was you that took them' and Kim be all 'you is tripping b***h' now you want some rock or not?'
God damn, I don't know why she's so fricking sexy. There's just something about her...I'm not even into asiatics either.
Power is attractive anon
It's honestly correct for pozziya
Even at their peak their only overseas ally was Cuba
The only thing is... if you have no navy you have to admit you're not a superpower... because power projecting across thr globe is what a superpower does.
So puccia builds absolutely shit tier worthless navies that gain them nothing. Its an entire nation of four year olds and past time they ended.
TZD
>Even at their peak their only overseas ally was Cuba
That's not even true. They had allies in Asia (Vietnam) and Africa (Libya) and the Middle East (Israel for a while until they figured they could israelite more out of the U.S., Syria).
We didn't NEEEEEEEED that navy
>A dead zigger is a net positive financially. They're ridiculously expensive in onions while providing zero utility and generally just being a walking target.
>1 tug boat "presumed" to have been sunk
what... what happens if it isnt sunk
>what... what happens if it isnt sunk
In that case it continues to tug, you silly goose!
>we didn't NEED our warships
pottery
>And soon Odessa will be Russia again.
Z-DAY IS BACK ON THE MENU BOYS
God I wish they would
>Russia doesn't need these ships, they do not impact the war
>Also they will invade and take Odessa
MAKE UP YOUR MIND Black person, DAMN
Like getting your gf to pick a restaurant, honestly.
Bcs both your girl and russians have borderline.
Great job Will, good news! The contractors finally finished that dildo you wanted!
Let's evaluate some of these confident assertions from the esteemed Mr. Schryver:
>All the Kalibrs are launched via BSF Missile ships.
ALL of them ,Will? I'm pretty sure the Kilo class subs are the Kalibr workhorse, but picrel does seem to indicate that there's some Kalibr-capable BSF surface ships, and -- despite being classed as a "missile corvette" -- the Ivanovets wasn't one of them, being anti-ship rather than anti-apartment block.
>Russian intel / patrol ships sail freely around the Black Sea.
Will. Buddy. What part of the video you just saw looked like that patrol ship sailed freely anywhere other than straight to Davy Jones' locker? Russia has lost 20% of the 80 vessels in the BSF. Their best units are currently huddled in Novosibirsk to avoid further costly losses. They lost enough ships that they had to switch to plan B and mine the waterways. If these Russian sea and air patrols were so effective, how the frick did they lose the Moskva?
>And Odessa will be Russian again.
BWAAAAHHHHH-HAHAHAHAHA, are you fricking kidding me Show me the Russian plan to re-cross the river and occupy Kherson City again and I might actually consider this something other than copium-induced delusions of adequacy.
Ships destroyed in dock, or lakes, don't count.
Planes and Helicopters destroyed on the ground don't count.
Soldiers killed in their barracks don't count.
These kinds of losses are all magically refunded and don't affect the war at all.
Obviously, if you lose them outside your base you need to send a recovery unit out to recoup their cost but they're auto-recovered if they're destroyed within the control radius of a supply depot, factory, barracks, or defensive building.
I'm sorry, but did the Black Sea Fleat already lose? Oh, that's right. The special military operation isn't even over yet. In fact, it's only halftime. Does not having the lead at halftime count as a loss? Is that what you're saying? Because if you're saying that I can assure you that you're wrong. Why would you make this topic when the special military operation is still on? The Black Sea Fleat are still sailing right now and they have been the best fleet for how many years now? They're fighting one of the worst navies in the world who just happen to have a lead because they're feeding off the energy of sinking all our ships. But you know what? They still fricking suck. The Black Sea Fleat is one of the best fricking fleets in the world, they went 13-3 last century and would of won the war if Rozhestvensky didn't choke. Maybe you should shut the frick up before you make moronic topics like this. You know why? Because you're going to be embarrassed when the Black Sea Fleet wins and someone bumps this topic. Oh look at that, Hohols just wasted a dozen sea drones when they needed to hit only one, just like the Patriots did. Are you a fricking drunk? Are you moronic? Are you autistic? You are a fricking idiot and you should never make a topic on this board again and I'm fricking serious. I almost have a feeling you're the only guy making all these anti-Black Sea Fleet topics because you're a homosexual hater who doesn't like the navy because they're good. Frick you, be good at something in YOUR life and then maybe try to troll these fricking fleets on the board, like I give a frick. It's so easy to spot out your threads now, you're a moron. Always doing stupid shit like this. Why don't you try to be a good poster? Just for once? For once in your fricking life try not to make a topic like this. That's just you, you're always right at getting it wrong. Frick you. You are nothing.
And you just know that when this same homosexual reads about the latest Houthi incident where US had to use CIWS to shoot down a missile, he considers it a sign of US getting dethroned forever.
Literally the US captain: "Huh. CIWS. Never got to use that before, cool! What a mudhut dweller victory that, getting SO close they still have a 0% hit rate.".
>militarily negligible
yes, but only because Russian ships are maintained, operated, and exploited poorly.
strategically however, losing dominion of the black sea will have pretty unknown ramification long term.
When the ass is in the ass all will be understood
I never though I'd miss a war criminal, but Prigozhin and his antics were genuinely entertaining.
>tfw we will never see a priggy-monke civil war with Wagner playing their symphonies across the burning St. Petersburg and Moscow skylines
Don't feel too bad, there's still a solid chance of something as equally entertaining happening. The country might be balkanized yet.
Oh boi, brace for another cope shitstorm, the Ukrainians just torched another oil refinery. In motherfricking Volgograd!
>Volgograd
Maybe they really do intend to finish what the nazis started
good
>fleet was forced into port by a country without a navy
>don’t worry guys it’s no big deal