>Ukrainian drones reportedly hit Alabuga Special Economic Zone in Russia’s Tatarstan. Shahed (Geran) manufacturing facilities are located in this area. The facility is almost 1300km away from the Ukrainian border
wake up babe, new ukrainian drone just dropped
webm
That's not a shahed
moron can't read
>keep telling people that giant fireball explosions in movies are unrealistic
>real life explosion is a giant fireball
me and my big mouth
Frag stuff doesn't make huge ass fireballs because it only contains enough explosive to spread the fragments around.
A plane packed chock full of HE will make a big fricking fiery explosion.
no, that big fireball means the plane still had fuel onboard
TV explosions are mostly fuel. I reckon most of this plane or its target also is.
If you set off explosives next to/surrounded by fricking avgas, of course it’s going to fireball
Unironically what is air defense doing?
El zilcho de la muerte
There is none.
All of working air defense is in Ukraine and around Moscow.
unironically? picrel
>The ass is in the ass, the gloves have come off, the eyebrow is raised and everyone understands right between the buns.
Ballad of the Air Defense Cuckold
>this is our air defence, he is assigned the role of a silent observer of this sexual act, the cuckold
what the frick is with Russians and their obsession with rape
>NetorAAre
>Smacked right between the buns
>air defense cuckold
These are great
>The gloves are off
>The eyebrow is raised
>The buns have been smacked
>The sexual act has been observed
They're hitting soft targets and Russians are too moronic or don't have enough equipment to specifically guard every installations agains tthese guerilla attacks.
The real question should be what in the frick Russian internal security is doing that these Ukrainians can launch drones or even Black person-rig cessna's as improvised kamikazes. They have some leaks and people in their country that are actively hurting their industry.
>They have some leaks and people in their country that are actively hurting their industry.
The frick they are gonna do? You can't hide refineries from space
>what in the frick Russian internal security is doing
Their job is to rape with a broom russians who deviated from party line, the rest is not their job.
>The real question should be what in the frick Russian internal security is doing that these Ukrainians can launch drones or even Black person-rig cessna's as improvised kamikazes. They have some leaks and people in their country that are actively hurting their industry.
Russia is big, and the borders are impossible to patrol. Ukrainian teams slip in all the time and setup shop, since many of them speak perfect Russian and can have perfectly legal Russian documents. So these teams could be coming from Finland, Kazakstan, Estonia, etc and going through the border with some trucks, assemble the UAVs in a field, launch them, and then return back to base.
Post war there's gonna be some big books written on these guys.
Russian internal security is too busy being in Ukraine.
something something cuckold
theyve always been bad about light aircraft.
Bombing Belgorod
anal-lysing the air space
Counting eggs with chair grandpa
04/02 NEVER FORGET!!
How much damage can an explosion like this do? It was massive but went off above the roof, far away from machinery
You know what's above the machinery?
Right, the roof.
Well, still industrial machinery supposedly can survive some concrete and aluminum falling on it. I'm asking if the shockwave and heat would've reached it from this height
>Well, still industrial machinery supposedly can survive some concrete and aluminum falling on it.
Wtf? No it can't.
As someone working with "industrial machinery" it breaks if you look at it the wrong way. It will 100% break if a slab of concrete or steel falls on it.
or even if it inhales a bunch of dust from acute roof damage
Not only does industrial machinery break down very easily but we are talking about Russia compounding the problem. And you can't just pack it up and start in a new building either. When the company I worked for tried moving our most important machine to a new factory it took almost a year for it to be taken apart, reassembled, made to just run, and then dialed in to actual make the product.
I see, thank you anons. Just wanted to be sure this strike was a valuable contribution to TZD
This. Even organizational changes take insane amount of time and money, with so many factors to think about, skilled labor being the biggest. No-one in Russia with a high skillset such as in computing or precision engineering wants to live in Tatarstan unless they're compensated really well.
If you suddenly wanna move the factory, you also gotta move the workers and that is gonna cost you.
>Machinery
Its Russian high-school kids assembling Iranian kits with screwdrivers, what machinery are you talking about.
>falling
Learn what shrapnel is before posting again.
>shrapnel
looks like the payload was mostly HE. Maybe even something hacky like a fuel mix. That is a very non-HE-like fireball.
>You know what's above the machinery?
>Right, the roof.
Well, not anymore
They'd have to pack up everything and move to another building at the very least, and that's assuming that the machinery isn't crushed or choked with firefighting foam
Most impact is probably on the workforce: would you go back in the factory to work after that?
What the frick else will you do? Gotta pay the bills.
Noic, what's the target?
Shaheed assembly line.
RUSSIA JUST GOT 9/11'D AND YOU'RE LAUGHING
Okay hear me out... You take old airliners which are going to be scrapped anyway, fill them up with explosives and paint them in Aeroflot livery and send them towards the Kremlin.
the best thing about this plan is that nobody will know if it was an attack or just another accident lmao
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeroflot_accidents_and_incidents
No, no, WE didn't shoot your aircraft down, it was separatists from Buttfrick Oblast using equipment they took from the russian army.
Jesus christ, they had one wreckage per week in the early 1930s
Russian roulette, airline edition
No. Russian air defense actually work on airliners.
Russian air defense is actually GOOD. It just can't handle slow low flying UAVs and stealth cruise missiles. Ukraine has to slowly destroy Crimean air defense to get anything done, and even then they have to saturate the sky with UAVs and dummy cruise missiles to soak up air defense missiles so the real ones can get through.
When an enemy can sit back forever and pick apart your air defenses, they WILL find openings.
>Russian air defense is actually GOOD.
>Russian air defense is GOOD
>which is why it has trouble killing the easiest of targets
Anonymous, my friend.
That is not good. That is, in fact, ungood.
He can't keep getting away with it!
55.820893770993244, 52.05945872485173
100% cloud cover on Sentinel but that is it. Lots of workers cars around the building
This is geting out of hand, now there's two of them?!
So, you can just fly 1100km over there and do what you want?
Nice
SO. FRICKING. KINO!!!!!
Literally war crime.
KAWABUNGA, ALABUGA!
Surf's up!!
What air defense literally doing?
Is this a film set? Those are like Hollywood movie film hangars right?
>Is this a film set? Those are like Hollywood movie film hangars right?
No that's the housing for the factory workers who assemble Shaheeds, lmao. I bet their cozy safe factory job doesn't seem so fun now kek
>What air defense literally doing?
Not adapting to UAVs and cruise missiles despiting using them to attack Ukraine endlessly. Ukraine has mobile Anti-air fire teams with everything from SPAAG (rare) to technicals with M2 brownings (common). They drive around to where the attacks are coming and saturate the sky to shoot down Shaheds. Russia has missile air defense, but they don't seem to have cheap mobile air defense which is why everything is getting through.
Same. i hope none got hurt.
Why are two Russians just randomly fighting before the explosion? Why do they all nist get to the ground despite being a very long distance away from the explosion?
>Why are two Russians just randomly fighting before the explosion?
I re-watched, and it looks like that person slipped and they helped them out.
>and they helped them out.
>russians
Doubt
Probably foreigners
>264 KB
>>>
The cessna is angry, look what you've done vatnigs
ALLAHU ACKBAR!!!!
ALLAH ACKBAAAR!!! ALLAH ACKBAAAAR!!! ALLAH ACKBAAAAR!!!!
is that a fricking cessna
Looks more like a Foxbat kit plane - they’re a Ukrainian design
another webm of the strike. 3 attacks reported idk if it is the same as the webm in OP tho
ah fug here's the webm
Why are there a bunch of russians just hanging around near the road ready to film?
Because it's 3rd hit, they already had time to evacuate
Damn shame.
Pieces of shit there build the Shaheds puccia terrorizes civilians with.
It's too bad they don't get to know personally what they've been causing
I wonder if Ukraine could get names and phone numbers for workers at those factories and refineries from social media, and then message them saying "don't go to work tomorrow Dmitri". Do one attack for real after the warnings, then randomise whether they attack or not on future warnings to maximise disruption.
>workers assembling outside factory before workday start
It's a mystery.
>a bunch of snowBlack folk lining the road
>police already there with lights on
>one guy dragging another through the snow even before the cessna hits
>just another day in Putin's paradise
>white people
yeah
It's literally called Tatar(stan)
>Tatar(stan)
It's a name invented by Lenin in the 1920s
everything post 1917 is invented by lenin its a judeobolshevik state
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Needs Kot in the sky.
Here you go, Anon.
nice
delightful
simply marvelous
>t. blown up factory worker
probably just leftover fuel from the trip.
the plane can carry about 300kg of stuff after you remove the people necessary stuff. 20kg for all the dronification, and 120 liters of fuel (enough for trip and some, 90kg after extra tankage) leaves you 180kg for warhead. that's pretty good. That's for the A32, with the same allotments you get about 100kg on the A20. still a pretty annoying explosive charge to have land in the middle of your production area.
Nice
Are russian tatars more chinky than other tatars??? I've met a few tatars (from Ukraine, Romania, and Hungary) and none of them looked remotely as asian as anyone in that video. The most asian one I ever met looked hapa at best and a lot of them just look 100% slav.
It's been more than two years, HOW ARE THEY THIS INCOMPETENT?!?!?!?
That's a big drone.
U U
U U
GLORY TO ISIS AMERICA
TIE ME TO A 172 AND FIRE ME AT MOSCOW, I AM READY
Cessna with drone controls? Neat
Also what air defense doing goddamn
>Also what air defense doing
The usual
That extremist Gachimuchi group has infiltrated glorious Russian AA! Perfidious Boris Johnson will pay for this
Russia jammed that drone with EW, that’s why it crashed into a random building rather than its target
the heroic shasneed factory successflully intercepted the drone how can the ukies keep losing like that?
And another drone hit a random refinery in Tatarstan thanks to heroic Russian EW
>random building
Was it designated a random unrelated building on the same premises before or after the impact?
I think they're currently trying this mitigation strategy on the situation at the Uralmash plant in Yekaterinburg, too. Not sure if the fire gives a shit, though.
Well, it's now a random building not producing shaheds.
They are saying that it was the dormitories where the workers lived and not the factory itself. So because it's only left the majority of the workforce homeless, the Russians don't consider it to be a problem really.
>They are saying that it was the dormitories where the workers lived and not the factory itself.
who is they? is it the same they that said an IL-76 was full of POWs about to be exchanged?
>Cessnas are now being used as suicide drones
Based as frick.
They also hit a oil refinery in Nizhnekamsk which is around the same area.
That probably was a regular drone since it wouldn't be standing if it was the size of the explosion in the OP attack
Good. I was afraid they might've stop hitting them.
How many oil refineries do the Russians have left?
Too many.
Was that today or yesterday?
ALLAH ACKBAAAR!!
Tenno heika Banzaaaaii!! Hissatsu!!
>*mounts loud hauler on drone*
I hope ukies can get a low winged Texan trainer plane, modify it to look like a Zero fighter and use it for literal kamikaze attack.
>I'm gonna make Tsushima look like a fricking joke
>japanese volunteers have arrived
>*furiously translates the Battōtai to Ukrainian*
>*except the parts si ging about fierce and brave enemies*
>*or the part about the enemy commander being great*
Ukro suicide pilot? Looks like ordinary Cessna not drone.
?
How different would you expect a droned out Cessna to look? All the modifications are going to be internal.
Didnt that shahed factory use local children as workforce? I remember it being sold to the kids as a vocational school program, but they are essentially building those drones without pay or education
Sucks to be russian citizen
>hello biden
>it's zelenskyy
>i need 1 billion cessnas to bomb russian children
I hope he sends every 150 and 172 in existence. And then sends in all the Diamond DA-20s.
Hate those fricking things.
>Sucks to be russian
>Didnt that shahed factory use local children as workforce? I remember it being sold to the kids as a vocational school program, but they are essentially building those drones without pay or education
Due to a lack of manpower, workers are being conscripted from students at a nearby college, as well as foreign workers lured in by promises of good jobs or education.
https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/59075374/#59075970
Actually disgusting
>Just a casual torture of our employees to remove those with any backbone.
They can call them brats and wimps all they like, the people who don't stand for this are the people who won't be slaves to your company and work 20 hour shifts for pennies.
I get it, but also the fact that this seems common practice in Russia shows they're stick stuck in master slave mentality.
Also
>African catfished girlfriends
>Used as slaves
FRICKING KEK
>I get it, but also the fact that this seems common practice in Russia shows they're stick stuck in master slave mentality.
This is how you join the Russian nation. They might not have much genes or cultural heritage in common, but they curse in Russian when their masters beat them. I suppose they have something in common that way, at least.
If some people within Russia doesn't do that, the problem is solved by forcing them into trains and replacing them with convict laborers until the proper blyat density is achieved.
This is how Russian became the majority language in much of Russia. And the majority "culture", if it can be called that.
>Importing Africans with guarantees of citizenship.
Uh.... saviour of the white race guys????????????????
I wonder if those Russian military guys that were talking about saving the white race in Russia in that video around a fire are rolling in their graves now.
It's been going on for a while now
Russia has not collapsed because they import Africans, Central Asians, South Asians and then make them work in place of the conscripts and then eventually arrest the workers for 'entering illegally' and then send them to war instead of prison. Russia will never ever run out of men to send.
I want to protect those african girls.
Jesus Christ the Russians have made a rl young adult novel.
Bets for how long until Netflix makes a shitty movie about a Russian boy and a African girl finding love in this hellhole?
Yeah, it was mainly children from the less important parts of Russia and literal African child slaves kidnapped from Africa.
Yes, in fact, the building the drone is hitting in the video is a worker's quarters, injuring 12 of them.
>injuring 12 of them.
Any more word on casualties? I really, really, hate to see teenagers get hurt and I hate the Russian state for putting them in harms way. I think Ukraine hitting the dormatory seems to be a mistake, as the factory floor would make more sense. And they should have attacked at night to try to avoid casualties. But this UAV system might not be that accurate, or not work at night at all.
No deaths reported, and I can't find any info that states injuries were critical. It's unfortunate they're students/slaves, and I doubt their quarters was the intended target. They could have had intel that suggested that building had a different purpose as I could see administrative offices being placed close to living quarters- or in the same type of prefab structure as these appear to be.
My first guess would be that the UAV isn't that accurate, or they mistakenly picked the wrong building, or they just dove for the first building they could. I would have figured the factory ground floor would be the ideal target, but apparently it wasn't targeted at all?
Unfortunately, I don't think there's a good way to go about it to avoid hurting the kids when you can't guarantee where the bomb will full with 100% certainty.
If you attack during the day and hit the factory, then you're unfortunately going to hit the kids working there. If you attack during the night, but you misjudge the approach, then you've just accidentally blown up an entire dormitory full of kids. You can't really win in this situation when it comes to collateral damage.
>Year two of the two day special operation
>Russian strategic targets are being hit by unmanned Cessna 172s, Russian AD is powerless to stop them
Someone needs to coup Putin already, I'm feeling secondhand embarrassment
We can get more humiliating.
It will get worse...
Holy digits
>Zelenskyy actually wanted Budanov to run the army to replace Zeleushny
That would have been a total waste. Budanov ks perfect as Ukraine’s Paul von Oberstein.
> digits confirm next drone will be an Boeing 777 converted into a drone post yfw
You almost got it right.
Are you moronic?
>There are no more red lines to cross. All I have in common with the uncontrollable and the insane, the vicious and the evil, all the mobiks I have tortured and killed and my utter indifference toward them I have now surpassed. My hate is constant and sharp, and I do not hope for a better world for Slavs. In fact, do not want this war to end. I want no Russian to escape, but even after cubing thousands, there is no catharsis. Punishment continues to elude millions and I gain no deeper knowledge of millions. No new knowledge can be extracted from my telling. This confession has meant nothing
>When your job description and key point indicators are just 'Kill all the fricking Ziggers' by any means possible
I'd get in the office at 5am and wouldn't leave until midnight, best fricking job ever
Maybe Russia as a whole is just one big humiliation kink?
It gets better- see what this does to Russia’s defense export industry after the war- they can’t even blame non-Russian crews for all this shit lol
Year three anon, we're past feb 22
Love booze cruising
Who says it's unmanned?
>1945+79
>nuclear power is getting dabbed on by kamikaze planes
What the frick is this timeline I WANT OFF THIS RIDE
Do your remember how Russians all these years boasted that their best AA in the world could down Rust plane any time but they choose to not to?
>1945+56
>nuclear power is getting dabbed on by kamikaze planes
you were always in that timeline, anon.
>russian shilling yesterday
>some stuff blown up in russia today
it just works
Russians have therm for that
>Pidoran theorem
This is what I want to see every morning.,
For anyone looking for info about the factory buildings, here are blueprints:
https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/61092220/#q61098306
Yep. I remember when anon posted this. Nice to see we have some Ukrainian Glowies here.
Godspeed, lads.
wtf
>march 5th, floorplans leaked
>april 2nd, factory hit
Glowies, I kneel
Good shit
niceu
Mr Monke... a second cesna has just hit the factory..
>we must invade Belgium
So when does Putin relocate all Russian war production east of the Urals?
lmao the minute monke starts doing that is a sign of weakness and blood in the water, if he does it at all
And what cattle would do lol?
He has absolute power
The problem with absolute power is that you can lose it absolutely quickly as soon as you don't seem to have shit under control enough to keep your underlings in check.
Absolutely nothing happened during Pringles thunder run to Moscow. Putin will lose power only after his death.
>Putin dies after decades in power
Oh lord that shitshow is gonna be hilarious. No-one has been made "heir" and no single person/faction is strong enough to be the heir by default (which is ofcourse by design). It's gonna be the Death of Stalin 2.0
Snownigeria has collapsed twice in a previous century, I think it's good time to uphold the tradition.
3rd times the charm
Russia is going to collapse, this is my prediction.
Technically thrice.
Russian republic was a thing between Empire and USSR
i remember /misc/turds rooting for Prigozhin literally claiming "we were never pro-Putin, we were always in favor of Prigozhin"
when Prigozhin pussied out and eventually got killed, they all went silent so that was pretty hilarious
even /k/ was rooting for Pringles just for the lulz
>just for the lulz
I was actually rooting for him because I wanted to know what happens when a civil war breaks out in a nuclear armed nation.
as I said, for the lulz
Just give him nine years.
That's clearly a medic
God I miss Pringles. You can say alot about him but seeing an honest Russian was such a breath of fresh air when you've got all these Russian morons using every technique from the KGB textbook to lie and manipulate at every turn.
>honest Russian
please
Wouldn't you say he was? Atleast during his time in Ukraine he openly criticized the Russian army and was open about losses etc. that Wagner suffered, something I've never seen happen before.
NTA but i'd wager if he'd be in Shoigu's or Gerasimov's position he'd be a lying frick too. It just so happened b***hing about losses benefited him. Squeaky wheel and all that.
dude, he was the warlord of a penal battalion, what he frick are you talking about?
he's honest because he was complaining? good, now tell that to all the people who lost family members to his goons
may he rest in piss and burn in hell, where each and every russian deserve to end
I never said he was good, he was an evil dude but atleast he didn't go around preaching about and being a massive hypocrite like Russians normally are.
are we still talking about the guy, who was leading convicts in a war of conquest to the neighboring (allegedly) brother country?
You idiot, he was a hypocryte who only cried about the deaths of his meat waves because it benefitted him in the moment.
He was all up for throwing away human lives and comitting war crimes against innocent civilians right up until his schoolyard scuffles behind closed doors with the other russian warlords put him personally in the crosshairs.
Then he was desperate to try and spin things to make himself seem like a true and honest man of the people. But russian people are cattle and blindly worship the tzar so that was an idiot's plan and he was too weak-willed to go all the way. Thus he died anyway when he stupidly flew back into the country with his own cronies.
Nah senpai. He also admitted to several things, such as how he started the Russian troll farms, said it was an actual war and not a SMO etc. Whatever his reasons for doing so, it still was refreshing to see a different take that wasn't straight from the Kremlin.
Yeah, that was part of his spin.
Russia are big on the rest of the world being as shit as they are but they are better because they 'admit it'.
He was wildly trying to reinvent himself to escape the noose, not because he was a cool and honest guy. He was just another russian snake who was too incapable in the end to handle the situation he found himself.
Ziggy played for time, jiving us that we were voodoo...
He wasn't honest but he was entertaining in his rants. Much like Girkin and his doomposting.
>He wasn't honest
He actually mostly was
I rooted for Prigo because he genuinely cared about whether or not he was losing. He made the mistake of thinking he could protest to get the Tzar's attention, not realizing that the Tzar didn't care if he won or lost.
>he genuinely cared about whether or not he was losing
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
He was literally releasing thousands of trained rapists, murders and cannibals into Russia because he didn't give a shit what would happen to Russia. The only thing he cared about was not getting killed and since Shoigu won their argument and Putin demanded all Wagner soldiers to sign contract with MoD he'd be killed anyway
Disagree. Prigo was being set up as the scapegoat for Russia's defeat, and he knew it. He did care if he won or lost. It was his ass on the line, that's why he couldn't sit back and just let things play out.
>romanticizing a literal criminal
nuclear fire won't come fast enough to cleanse this moronic planet
Not everything is black and white.
>Set up scapegoat for your failure
>Kill him
>Fail even harder
Oh no....
Thanks for saying exactly what I said. He only cared about it because he was made scapegoat and would pay for it with his life. Of course he doesn't want to get killed
I think anon's argument is roughly: pringles' personal incentives were aligned with keeping his forces on the advantage, so he had a unique opportunity to do a speaking truth to power shtick, with honest signalling about how things were.
It's still wildly cynical, but it's a lot like becoming almost obnoxiously candid in response to being unable to sugarcoat a scandal. You can't countersignal and come out on top. You can only try for a level of perceived frankness and hope that other players' lack of that demeanor buff helps to condemn them in the public's eye.
Problem is, the public's eye don't mean shit during rapidly escalating palace intrigues
>Absolutely nothing happened during Pringles thunder run to Moscow
Actually it happened. Secret FSB detachment took Prigozhin's and some other Wagner members families as hostages and made phone call to Prigozhin to stop.
This assassin's detachment was core foundation of the Putin's power and it was first thing he founded when he was appointed as PM. See his books https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Litvinenko
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_Assassins
wrong. I was observing the mood in some russian communities back then. Pootin made a statement in the morning and then disappeared. Very few high-ranked officials expressed their support to him. Population was seemingly not against Pringles. Everyone was tracking his remaining distance to Moscow. The only things done to stop him were a few trenches dug in the highway and a btr + a machine gun nest on the entrance to Moscow.
I've read the wikipedia article about the fall of Ceausescu and it felt absoultely the same. Suddenly one morning noone stood up for the beloved Supreme Leader.
I also remember a bridge or something being used as a waypoint for Pringles march to Moscow, that waypoint being reached and gone past, then an hour or so later a photo of the bridge being destroyed. Also it was an AGS-13, not a machinegun from memory.
But yeah it was surreal. No shills either, which kinda cemented it in my head that at least some of the people that post here are paid, or at least encouraged by people who are paid, to do so.
I remember it as the first real
>what the frick is happening
situation from every party across the board. from the russians, americans, ukrainians. nobody was sure if this was an elaborate inside job or a real mutiny. I think the prevailing consensus among the upper echelons of the kremlin was to see what happens and not intervene, which to me says magnitudes about the success of their war. of course it could be the simplest explanation - generations of russian apathy coming home to roost
Russians are cowardly cattle.
They have no serious morals or ideals (outside of a vague sense of general nationalism), they were just standing around to see which Stongman came out on top so they could crawl underneath him.
>. Suddenly one morning noone stood up for the beloved Supreme Leader.
His order of assasins stood up.
And that was unironically enough. See how Putin finally solved Pringles problem. Putin plays with cheat codes.
They stood up after the fact, when Pringles halfassed the takeover and was no longer a direct violent threat.
They also killed him by shooting down his plane filled with him and his underlings, when he stupidly served himself up on a platter by flying back into the country like a turky ready to be stuffed instead of staying abroad.
Can we appreciate for a second how insane that was?
>Lazar M. Kaganovich
That's the ethnic israelite who oversaw the systematic genocide of 10 million Christian Ukrainians in the early 1930s, by the way.
Certainly an adaptive character I'll give him that
Monke failed in the invasion when he failed to seize the Bak(hm)u(t) salt mines. No salt to power the thugshakers of total war...
I can see why they thought it was sus. Not a big deal to me. But the narrative irony of knowing that place will be ash before the year is out, and seeing it flagged as "offtopic," kinda funny
>tanks are built at tankograd
where else would they be built?
>puzzling images showing long lines of railroad cars
This remidns me of something recent... HOLY SHIT ZIGGERS HAVE BEEN STEALING UKRAINE
Well yeah.
They literally kidnapped swathes of the population in captured areas and sent them off to the russian interior, including children (who then went on to be treated with classic russian hospitality...)
I mean yeah obviously this whole fricking war is just a massive robbery. Putin is the biggest crime boss of Russia and Russia was turned into a massive crime racket, what else would the war be.
>Voznensky was one of the few senior officials who spoke bluntly to Stalin
>head of industrial planning agency that pulled it off
I immediately knew he was purged
>On August 19, 1949, he was arrested on charges of treason, participation in a counterrevolutionary organization, and anti-Soviet agitation (the Leningrad Affair). He was convicted and executed in 1950. He was rehabilitated on May 14, 1954.
Wild that in less than 4 years the USSR's official policy was "yeah, sorry. My bad!" and he was cleared of everything. Can't undue an execution though
Cessna bros, we are so back
Isn't that a cessna or some such?
I suppose they could've fitted it to fly like a drone, amusing.
Aeroprakt A-22 Foxbat. Check it out.
>Drone on drone domestic violence
Disgusting.
When you think this war won't get any more kino xD
>Soviet AA is shite
always has been
do they have more of these?
some people on twatter are suggesting this was a repurposed light aircraft Aeroprakt A-22 Foxbat, ukie made light plane loaded with fuel tanks and explosives, picrel
Would make sense, the a-22 is build in ukraine.
>we have Cessna at home
Cessna at home:
Fresh
Russian losses in the last 24 hours and totals, personnel is Russians killed and does not include wounded
02.04.2024
Tanks — 6998 (+12)
Armored fighting vehicle — 13350 (+29)
Artillery systems — 11112 (+30)
MLRS — 1023
Anti-aircraft warfare — 744
Planes — 347
Helicopters — 325
UAV — 8779 (+22)
Cruise missiles — 2058 (+1)
Ships (boats) — 26
Submarines — 1
Trucks and Fuel Tankers — 14783 (+31)
Special equipment — 1832 (+6)
Military personnel — aprx. 443660 people (+780)
how can air defense be this bad? genuinely? I can understand letting small stealthier drones in but this is just an airplane
>See terrifying massive fast moving radar signature appear out of nowhere!
>O blyat! It's NATO superweapon! I will be of great hero and destroy!
>*Shoots down own AWACS which in fact did not appear out of nowhere, he was just passed out from krokodil when it arrived in it's scheduled flight path*
>See slow moving low altitude civilian plane on radar trundling towards a factory
>Oh it's not broadcasting, guess it's just another drug runner for the oligarchs, blowing that up means gulag
>*Goes back to sleep, factory explodes*
I'm curious, do Russians really think they can win this war when this year Ukraine will have eliminated most of their artillery and tank reserves in addition to the entire pre invasion Russian ground forces and their equipment? What the frick are you doing Russia? What the frick?
>inb4 russian aa starts shooting down random light piston aircraft
Nah, they will shoot down more SU of their own because they are bigger targets
Let's compromise. AA should shoot down oligarchs' private jets.
But shooting down oligarchs jet kills only dozen people, when you can shoot Russian stolen Boeing and kill 200
>Blyad it is HATO Super Drones! They Are Coming From The Sea!
>proceeds to shoot down every single MIG-29K in existence (33)
Is this the same facility with the catfished african slave girls and the “future elon musks” that they shoot with paintball guns?
I just woke up actually.
>some refinery was also hit today
It was?! Thank god Ukraine didn’t back down because of American whining.
Americans are in a catch 22 on multiple levels right now. They don't want Ukraine to lose (obviously), but they also don't want Russia to collapse into a warlord era Balkanization due to broken arrow and instability in global economics/balance of power (which, in my opinion, translates into "chickenshit state department"). So they have to give Russia an off ramp on some level where Russia can negotiate some sort of settlement (like maybe "you keep Crimea and Donbass, return to 2014 borders") or Russia just limps away and Ukraine gets pre-2014 borders. Which isn't going to happen, both Ukraine and Russia are all in and this is a fight to the death of one of them, but again. Chickenshit state department gonna chickenshit.
The fears are not baseless, likely also fears of starving Europe of gas/oil as well. But refineries make money for Russia, so hit them hard. USA has been too chickenshit and too scared of equipping Ukraine fully.
>likely also fears of starving Europe of gas/oil as well
Europe doesn't buy Russian oil and almost doesn't buy Russian gas(and those who buy are mostly Serbs, Hungary and Austria that can go frick themselves), what the frick is this shit?
>Europe will freeze
That's proven to be untrue.
hello saar i have frozen in december 2022
>Muh gas
Yeah no. LNG has gotten pretty good now and they're getting it elsewhere.
Yeah and it was funny to see that happen. He might be another Russian snake but boy he was creative and entertaining while it lasted. Also I don't care about Russians, so him sending them into the meatwave was perfectly fine.
>gas, oil, iron & steel down
>fertiliser dip down then back up slightly
I hope the fertilisers don't come in cubes...
The reality is fertilizer is pathetically easy to make, we just outsourced it to Russia because cheap.
Nitrogen is 70% of the atmosphere.
But Anon, they're nutritiously delicious!
>imagine, if you will, the aroma
If this war has done anything, it is wean Europe off of Russian gas completely. Also, Europe won't starve. The US produces excess food, most of it is thrown away.
Chuck us some of them eurodollaryroos and I'll fricken fix you right up c**ts
> Also, Europe won't starve. The US produces excess food
the funny thing is that the Eu does the same, the only people that would starve would be the dindo's that both continents dump their over farmed produce on in the form of food aid
so it would be a win-win-win-win really
Refineries aren't involved in gas, and Russia doesn't seem to be exporting refined fuel. What the refineries *are*, however, is step 1 in the supply chain for manufacture of high explosives.
Cold war era politicians must be rolling in their graves right now. I wish America uncucked itself like the Frogs, Czechs and eastern euros are doing now
It's a state department issue. If you asked the Pentagon's opinion, they'd probably want shit like blockades, no fly zones, lots of aid. Anything to weaken Russia permanently. It's the state department that wants status quo at all costs.
I wasn't aware it was the state department obstructing congress from passing bills supplying funding, weapons, and ammo from getting to Ukraine.
We're not talking about funding to Ukraine, we're talking about US foreign policy - which is decided by the executive branch, not congress. And the policy of the state department is "status quo" not "Ukraine gets no weapons". State Department wants to give Ukraine weapons, but demands Ukraine not strike into Russia proper as it might cause Russia to: A. Escalate, although this is a stupid fear because it implies that Ukraine isn't allowed to actually defeat Russia, Russia is just supposed to cuck out eventually which won't happen; or B, collapse into warlord states and those states escalate with each other or sell nukes to terrorists.
Don't make me tap the sign. It is literally the State Department's job to prevent a geopolitical crisis that has the possibility of nuclear war. As a result, it WILL sell Ukraine and Taiwan down the river if it feels necessary; but also will tacitly support them when convenient. Congress, on the other hand, funds the government via omnibuses that nobody can read and all b***hing about spending is theater. The executive branch does what it wants.
How is letting dictator homosexuals run rampant going to prevent large crisis? Showing weakness is exactly what emboldens them and if the US cucks out on Ukraine China will be starting wars in Asia.
You're both right, and dead wrong. It's all about the balancing act. If Putin believes he has an off ramp - which is to say a way to exit the Ukraine war with some gains or even no gains - then that will be preferable in theory to just banging his head against a wall until he is ousted or the last Russian dies. Because, to be fair, the fact is Russia cannot just keep fighting in the hopes that eventually Ukraine's defenses break, because Russia's force is already spent for the most part. So is Ukraine's, but that only leaves a stalemate. Not defeat. Thus the State Department "wins". A frozen conflict is a victory for them.
But at the same time, yes you do have a point. China only learns from this conflict, particularly that the war needs to be over in weeks. Which is the same lesson you could draw from Germany's actions in WW1 and WW2.
And I say this because the alternative is US getting involved to a point where Putin decides he has no off ramp and starts attacking the Baltics or using more deniable attacks against the US because he believes that there is no off ramp and thus nothing to lose and everything to gain from escalating. this is the State Department's lose scenario - not that the US is defeated in a fight or nuclear exchange, but one happens at all.
Welcome to the 21st century, where nukes guarantee sovereignty. Enjoy your stay.
If your next thought is "Well, then Taiwan should get a nuke and Ukraine should never have given them up", then yes. You're exactly right, and in a sane world that's what would happen. But the State Department is going to prevent that to due to nuclear disarmament. In the interest of peace and global stability, the right hand is fighting the left hand, and ultimately will cause more war but at a limited scale. US unilateral power will decline, more states (like Israel and Ukraine, the latter in the refinary attacks) will ignore US guidance while happily taking their weapons/funds, and in the end we'll likely see the US adjust its foreign policy towards NATO and a duplicate Pacific Bloc. Because again, only the nuclear umbrella matters.
There is an off ramp - he could exit Ukraine within a fairly short timeframe if he chose to. With the population cowed, all potential challengers buried or exiled and his national guard as a backstop, he could easily fabricate an excuse for why Russia must fall back and rebuild its strength first, and still hold onto his throne, as long as he directs his full attention to staying in power.
He chooses not to, because he thinks there is yet something to be won by grinding down Ukraine. And all talk of negotiated peace, concessions, de-escalation, simply reinforces his belief that he's making progress, that his adversary is growing weaker, that he can outlast the resistance.
Russia knows that their factories and refineries and other places are under assault so why not try to defend them? Even simple chainguns (30mm) would work? Just point them at the sky and fire at anything coming in. Many Ukrainian fire teams are just running around Ukraine with M2 50 cals placed onto pickup trucks.
Putin's ego won't allow for it. So he's fine fighting to the last Russian (who isn't himself).
>he could easily fabricate an excuse for why Russia must fall back and rebuild its strength first,
HOW?! The official narrative isn't that these are occupied lands, but actual Russian territory! Putin has boxed himself in with no ability to off-ramp after that without looking completely wrong. And Dictators will never admit fault in any manner.
You grossly underestimate russian people's capacity to obediently tolerate and repeat lies, contradictions and whiplash-inducing reversals. You're projecting a western mindset onto them, assuming that because you wouldn't accept such obvious horseshit, the russians won't either.
Putin needs an official explanation, and he will not go through with it. putin won't admit mistakes, and this is all down to Putin. Maybe if he dies of cancer his next successor can say the war was based on lies, blame Putin entirely, then that gives them an off-ramp. All of this comes down to ONE guy.
small indie military, please understand
Because you then need a chaingun system and ammo and radar and crew and...
>Because you then need a chaingun system and ammo and radar and crew and...
Yes! Exactly! A few thousand men, a few hundred chainguns and radar systems, and you've now created both static and mobile anti-air defense that can shoot down UAVs and cruise missiles! You've done it! It doesn't have to be perfect, it just has to have some level of funcitonality. Instead Russia has no air defenses outside of their anti-air missile systems, and sned their men and BMP's to die at the front daily.
1 week's worth of BMP's and men is all they'd need to shoot down all these stupid paper airplanes!
If only they had some kind of ally who possessed over a thousand AA gun batteries not to mention 35-40+ 14.5mm guns who would sell them no questions asked.....Be really crazy if that ally regularly rented out manpower to Russia and could be paid to man those guns themselves......
exactly, at this stage of the game Russia has NO ONE to blame but themselves for these strikes. They should have fleets of repurposed 14.5mm AA guns, 30mm auto-cannons, etc. Ukraine has fleets of dudes in trucks with spotlights and machineguns shooting into the sky each night. Russia KNOWS these UAVs are coming but have no god damn defenses. It's pathetic.
They got lulled into a false sense that they could attack Ukraine with impunity and they would not strike back. There are just too many attack vectors for Ukraine to hit that makes defending everything nearly impossible, and Russians still don’t want to accept that fact. They think simply retaliating with Shaheds and cruise missiles will stop this. Also HRIM-2 may be in active production, which means ballistic strikes are now possible.
They don't have to defend everywehre, just important areas. I mean for god's sake, their boats don't even have auto-cannons that can shoot down enough into the water to shoot the USVs! Russia's just caught with their pants down, and they refuse to adapt. These slow, small, unmanned vehicles exploit a gap in your defense, so you should try to fix that!
What really cracks me up is that they will, most likely, get some AA defences around the refineries and other valuable targets.
Maybe it will take many months until it happens, but as moronic as they are, they do try to adapt to challenges.
But I suspect it won't be enough in any way whatsoever, and the drones will continue to hit targets successfully.
It is hard for me to describe how excited I am to see them fail miserably at their defence attempts once they even start having said attempts.
Their ships still don't have CIWS, despite losing 1/3 of the black sea fleet. I don't see them adapting any time soon to the UAV attacks.
>Give navy money for CIWS
>Ships are outfitted with state of the art drunk mobiks with rusted AKs and the admiralty is outfitted with new yachts
All they need is 30mm chainguns or 14.5mm guns that can AIM DOWN. Right now the ship guns can't aim directly down so if the drone boat gets too close it literally cannot hit it, so the crew has to scramble finding whatever machine guns and AKs they have to fire at it.
Absolutely, it won't be happening soon (if it even happens), but it also won't be executed well.
The rot in their country is spread on all levels, and I eagerly await to see how badly they frick it up.
There's no war you stupid fricks. It's only a Special Military Operation against a CIA-backed Fascist coup in Ukraine. Why would they have to protect factories and refineries if there is no war?
[THIS IS WHAT RUSSIANS ACTUALLY BELIEVE AND IS OFFICIAL RUSSIAN STATE POLICY]
You're seeing it from 1. Putin's perspective. 2. A somewhat objective reality-like perspective.
The US State Department doesn't see it from that perspective. They see it from the pespective of 200 years of deeply entrenched Liberal philosophy and political views regarding things like "game theory" and "rational actors" and just life in general, a perspective mostly produced from US Ivy League universities and from the deeply, fundamentally Liberal political culture of the United States, one that starts with the very founding of it.
Deep down, the US State Department believes Putin will "pull out" because "he as a human being capable of logic, reason and the capacity to identify facts, so he will see he is losing and is not gaining anything from the war" and will just quit, so there's no need for anything that could cause an escalation of the war or any major changes to the world economy or international politics.
Things like these, are why the United States has notoriously shtty foreign policy for the majority of its history.
Realist theory is the bedrock of international relations theory, and while it says actors are rational, it doesn't mean they will be "reasonable". It's also a framework, with many different realist factions. As a dictator, Putin can't back down since authoritarian systems always double down and would rather double down until the entire system collapses than back down.
For the state department, realism prefers detente and status quo because it likes stability. Putin and Russia are known actors, we have no idea what would replace him and it's entirely possible it could be worse.
Example:
>Gadaffi is an annoying pest everyone hates
>Realist: Wouldn't this destabalize the country if we got rid of him? Can we be sure what will replace him is better?
>Hillary and Obama: Nah, who cares? Lol nerd
Then we saw the unstable Libya became the groundspot for the migrant crisis and a den of smugglers. Cautious defensive realism should be listened to.
>"hey we will only help you against an invading country as long as they don't have nukes"
>every country bordering one with nukes starts to make their own
>and so on until even fricking luxemburg feels the need to nuke up out of fear of a belgian invasion that no one would stop due to the belgian nuclear wunderwaffle arsenal
>Don't make me tap the sign. It is literally the State Department's job to prevent a geopolitical crisis that has the possibility of nuclear war.
Well then go to washington and tap the frigging sign because those asshats have no idea what they're unleashing with their new-found policy of "might makes right, have fun y'all". This is GOING to lead to every nation greater than Liechtenstein to (secretly) develop nuclear technology, since that's the only thing that will keep you safe.
>might makes right, have fun y'all
New policy? That's been the policy since the first monkey threw the first rock at the second monkey across the river.
What do you expect the US to do?
>Send weapons
Okay, but where should those weapons be pointed? At mobniks, who will just be replaced with more mobniks? Russia has a higher population than Ukraine. Raw attrition won't win the war. Ukraine is RIGHTLY attacking Russia where it hurts, but this causes global disruption and potential escalation of the war; which the US government doesn't want because why would it?
>This is GOING to lead to every nation greater than Liechtenstein to (secretly) develop nuclear technology, since that's the only thing that will keep you safe.
And they should, because that's the only thing that will. The fact is the United States is not going to save anyone from Russia, China, or Iran unless one of those three countries gets the bright idea of attacking US/NATO forces first.
>Okay, but where should those weapons be pointed?
Bradleys are mincing vatBlack folk on the frontline, tomahawks are ruining their oil&military industry.
Is this such a difficult concept for senile rulers of murrica?
>Is this such a difficult concept for senile rulers of murrica?
I'm not that anon, but yes it is. For starters you can't put it in a excel spreadsheet.
God imagine reading that sentence a decade ago and trying to understand it kek
It doesn't matter if Russia wins or loses, it'll hold together so long as Putin's alive. No sense in worrying about upsetting the populace by making them lose.
>it'll hold together so long as Putin's alive
Lol. No. Russia will have ceased to exist in 3 years
>because of American whining.
or what will they do? Stop sending military aid?
In the last interview, Zelensky said that if America doesn't provide any military aid they will strike more targets
I wonder if Budanov planned this droning campaign ahead of time in case aid dried up
Plz tell details.
Drones aren't going to win Ukraine the war, only be a minor nuisance and prolong it.
>Drones are useless
>SO STOP BLOWING US UP NOW NOW NOW
Ahem
Without oil and gas, Russia is pretty much dead
Now point to the items on that graph that are downstream of refineries, dipshit.
Everything that requires transport via fossil fuel powered vehicles....so everything
Imagine being so stupid as to unironically believe that Russian rail is powered by gasoline and diesel.
I'll have to imagine it, since nowhere in in my post did I mention rail. Speaking of, last mile transport? never heard of it? I personally collect my mail from my apartment's railway station.
Anon, they do use diesel to power their train engines...
TE10 is one of the most common freight locos in Russia.
Anon, can you explain to the audience what a diesel locomotive is?
Don't care. It's kino.
Someone should take the moment of the OP freezeframe and make the wings flap, like Shoigu's response to being asked if russia will win.
Kazakhs are responsible
kin o
Seems like it hit a wrong building.
>send another one
It hit the dormitories where all the workers live which I imagine would be a issue.
How do you know where they live?
Pity. Do it again.
what the frick is wrong with Russia's AD? shouldn't pantsirs absolutely destroy shit like fricking cesnas? holy shit even shilkas or guys in ww2 AA guns would have helped here.
>pantsirs
Are shit
Kinda weird that local shills aren't pushing the "Ukraine bombed a dorm filled with literal teens" angle.
What, and admit that they've been using child slaves all this time?
That's a rather large drone. Air defence where?
near the border
>Scare Russia into sending all their AD near the front lines by saying you'll be using F16s any day now
>Opens up corridors to attack infrastructure deep with Russia with large suicide drones
Based.
Rich of you to assume they ever bothered to put any ADs around the Kursk border to begin with.
>Scare Russia into sending all their AD near the front lines by saying you'll be using F16s any day now
Saw ukie propaganda online saying F16s are in Ukraine, russia clearly took the bait
>they're getting bigger
airliner cruise missile when?
Not now, Mohammed
Slow and low baby
Holy frick I remember watching that episode on broadcast TV when it was new
It might well have been a decade since I've watched any Simpsons episodes, and its still fricking going...
I don't believe you.
Motherfricker I'm old.
Ahem. I'm old enough to remember watching Like Father like Clown (season 3) while at a friend's house on a crappy portable tv. It aired October 24, 1991. I also remember watching Sideshow Bob's Last Gleaming (November 26, 1995) when it aired as well. Strange, that it was only 4 years apart but it felt like forever.
I remember watching Who shot Mr Burns and entering the competition to guess who did it
Holy frick I remember the build up to that airing, they promoted the frick out of that episode. Remember back when TV networks spent fricking huge to get magazine column inches about upcoming episodes?
imagine, being slow is an advantage
Fairey Swordfish
>Scourge of the fancy German AA gun on boats, sinker of most tonnage in the Mediterranean and wrecker of Italian fleet
>mfw ruskies use child slave labours to make shahsneed drones
The slave trade will stop
>Cessna bypassing all the russian air defense
A classic.
>tfw a converted civi aircraft gets turned into a one way cruise missile
>Russian sources report that the 12 victims of the drone strike in Yelabuga are students. They were "forcibly" compelled to assemble Shahed drones - Dozhd Russian TV channel
>Students are threatened with expulsion for refusing to work;
>They are paid about 30-40 thousand rubles a month;
>Among the students are citizens of South Sudan, Zimbabwe, Rwanda and Nigeria;
>They have to work 24 hours a day, sometimes without breaks;
>Disclosure of information about production is punishable by a fine of up to 2 million rubles;
>In early 2023, two college students committed suicide.
>In the video, Alabuga's CEO flashed the enterprise in one of the news stories a year ago. InformNapalm, an international intelligence community, reminded Timur Shagivaleev, general director of the Alabuga Special Economic Zone, who claimed that a peaceful dormitory was attacked, how a year ago he demonstrated to local journalists the production of attack drones at this location.
>"Today, Shagivaleev is paltering with truth, telling us that a 'student's dormitory was attacked.' Students who have been assembling weapons to kill Ukrainians for a year. So it is important not to be confused about cause-and-effect relationships," InformNapalm analysts noted.
https://twitter.com/gerashchenko_en/status/1775137156215853312?t=rmEeUn68HhlFHGKbTPQr_A