On the contrary, Ukraine controls both capitals of Kherson and Zaporizhzhia Oblasts. Since these are Russian clay, Ukraine controls way more land beyond what Russia legally recognizes as Ukrainian.
>Ukraine controls both capitals of Kherson and Zaporizhzhia Oblasts.
Most of the oblasts are occupied. The kherson counteroffensyiv never liberated most of the oblast or even half of it for that matter. They just took the capital and called it quits as if Russia isn't 5km away from it
>grand prize of 2km of empty farmland
Arable farmland is a very valuable commodity. Even after all the barbarity russians did there it can still be used to grow food. Fricker.
Imageine after long, grueling fighting russia destroy 100% of it, and they breathe a sign of relief.
Then the numbers go above 101...102... and it never stops, because they just repair them, a foreign concept in russia
Isn't losing 10% of the tanks you receive like two weeks into an offensive that has only taken a few villages actually pretty high? If there were swathes of territory taken then sure but so far it's barely noticeable changes that have forced Ukraine to stop and re-adjust right?
Unironically it's not terrible. Unfortunately some of the losses were preventable, my guess is they are going over lessons learnedbeforethe next big push. The key now will be securing the high ground and getting artillery cover of their supply lines. When that is secured we will get a lot of kino all at once
Ukraine is losing less than Russia while being on the offensive. Also, contrary to the spam about le crumple zones and first lines of defense moving more southward every day, right now they're facing the toughest opposition in both fortification and material, with Russians throwing their most elite units they have left into defense and counter-attacks. These losses are unironically below the expectations.
Most of the losses will be at the beginning, when encountering the strongest defenses. The progress will also be slowest at first because of this.
That's exactly what we're seeing now. Slow but steady gains and comparatively high losses. Once the stronger defenses are broken the ground gained will accelerate and the losses will reduce.
bakhmut has been steadily LOSING territory. it was supposed to be a staging ground for assaults on the rest of donetsk and they couldn't even consolidate the position
How wide (as in: front to back of your defensive structures) do you think a defensive line is? Do you think it would even show up on a satellite image that's over 500x500km?
And do you assume the russians have constructed trenches, dugouts and laid mines evenly for several hundred kilometers?
You would need to zoom in a whole before you'd even begin to see actual fortifications, because they are each only a few hundred meters. Minefields may be slightly larger, but they'd still be still single pixel lines on your map.
I mean what is the counter argument here? That the ukrainians would advance evenly, day by day taking roughly the same amount of land? Are you moronic?
>Most of the losses will be at the beginning, when encountering the strongest defenses
they literally havent even got to the strongest defenses yet
And as far as we know they haven't committed most of their brigades yet.
>only
10% is still a lot
But yes, they did not lose hundreds of vehicles and everybody in Russia was laughing at Putin when he not only organized a meeting with random bloggers, but then spent most of it telling them how many tanks Ukraine has lost.
>10% is still a lot
No it isn't, this is full scale war where Russia lost visually confirmed 60% of its pre-war working tanks
It all depends on what results we see in the end.
If Ukraine didn't push another inch then it would be a waste of 10% of the tanks pretty much.
But the operations so far are a first stage towards a wider offensive that has mostly not happened yet. If Ukraine had to spend even 50% of the tanks received so far to take Melitopol that would be a very good deal for Ukraine.
Less than 10% of donated IFVs and APCs too?
Huh, and 10% of donated artillery, both towed and self-propelled
>not one Caesar
>not one HIMARS
kek
shoot n scoot good
>shoot n scoot good
Self prop artillery is just cool and I love using them in Starcraft. If only they had those hydrallic stabilizers.
CAESAR does, maybe not as impressively as a siege tank but the whole back end lifts up
Correct but it doesn't have tank treads, thus lacking that "tank" look.
Come on, even Oryx records losses for both models.
May I see it
0 PZH2000?
One was lightly damaged and got repaired, that's the closest they got to destroying one.
yeah I remember the lancet vid being spammed. Luckily it was one of those lancets with a special 4th of july load which is basically just fireworks.
yes, all for the grand prize of 2km of empty farmland. well worth the price!
slavo oinkraine!
God and that’s still more than Russia has made in the last year
russia controls 20% of the entire ukranian landmass
>20%
Jesus how’s last year man?
12% at best moron
well i guess 2km of gains equals 8% in the mind of an oinker
Based moron
whoosh
On the contrary, Ukraine controls both capitals of Kherson and Zaporizhzhia Oblasts. Since these are Russian clay, Ukraine controls way more land beyond what Russia legally recognizes as Ukrainian.
>Ukraine controls both capitals of Kherson and Zaporizhzhia Oblasts.
Most of the oblasts are occupied. The kherson counteroffensyiv never liberated most of the oblast or even half of it for that matter. They just took the capital and called it quits as if Russia isn't 5km away from it
It was 40% 1 year ago. Vatniks call this process "winning".
>grand prize of 2km of empty farmland
Arable farmland is a very valuable commodity. Even after all the barbarity russians did there it can still be used to grow food. Fricker.
Imageine after long, grueling fighting russia destroy 100% of it, and they breathe a sign of relief.
Then the numbers go above 101...102... and it never stops, because they just repair them, a foreign concept in russia
It's possible some of them were hit but didn't get photographed, oryx numbers are only a proven minimum. This also applies to Russian losses.
Where can I see delivered by russia?
in the Russian losses, under abandoned/captured
numbers are wild
false, 117% of tanks sent were destroyed, comrade.
Isn't losing 10% of the tanks you receive like two weeks into an offensive that has only taken a few villages actually pretty high? If there were swathes of territory taken then sure but so far it's barely noticeable changes that have forced Ukraine to stop and re-adjust right?
Unironically it's not terrible. Unfortunately some of the losses were preventable, my guess is they are going over lessons learnedbeforethe next big push. The key now will be securing the high ground and getting artillery cover of their supply lines. When that is secured we will get a lot of kino all at once
America lost nearly every one of the DD tanks it deployed to Operation Overlord. 10% losses would have been a miracle.
it's all time losses, anon
It is from the whole war
Imagine if this goes on for 20 weeks. Think the russian lines can hold tokmak/melitopol that long?
Ukraine is losing less than Russia while being on the offensive. Also, contrary to the spam about le crumple zones and first lines of defense moving more southward every day, right now they're facing the toughest opposition in both fortification and material, with Russians throwing their most elite units they have left into defense and counter-attacks. These losses are unironically below the expectations.
Most of the losses will be at the beginning, when encountering the strongest defenses. The progress will also be slowest at first because of this.
That's exactly what we're seeing now. Slow but steady gains and comparatively high losses. Once the stronger defenses are broken the ground gained will accelerate and the losses will reduce.
>e
Russians know this right? They seem to be giving hints of wanting to flee. They don't seem confident at all.
>the steady gains in question
pictured: more gain than russia has made in 14 months
Bakhmut alone mogs their entire ''gains'' it took 1k dead hohols a day to achieve
bakhmut has been steadily LOSING territory. it was supposed to be a staging ground for assaults on the rest of donetsk and they couldn't even consolidate the position
mathematically incorrect
How wide (as in: front to back of your defensive structures) do you think a defensive line is? Do you think it would even show up on a satellite image that's over 500x500km?
And do you assume the russians have constructed trenches, dugouts and laid mines evenly for several hundred kilometers?
You would need to zoom in a whole before you'd even begin to see actual fortifications, because they are each only a few hundred meters. Minefields may be slightly larger, but they'd still be still single pixel lines on your map.
I mean what is the counter argument here? That the ukrainians would advance evenly, day by day taking roughly the same amount of land? Are you moronic?
And as far as we know they haven't committed most of their brigades yet.
Ukraine liberated area equal to three Bakhmuts during the past three weeks.
>Most of the losses will be at the beginning, when encountering the strongest defenses
they literally havent even got to the strongest defenses yet
Half of those can be recovered.
>only
10% is still a lot
But yes, they did not lose hundreds of vehicles and everybody in Russia was laughing at Putin when he not only organized a meeting with random bloggers, but then spent most of it telling them how many tanks Ukraine has lost.
>10% is still a lot
No it isn't, this is full scale war where Russia lost visually confirmed 60% of its pre-war working tanks
It all depends on what results we see in the end.
If Ukraine didn't push another inch then it would be a waste of 10% of the tanks pretty much.
But the operations so far are a first stage towards a wider offensive that has mostly not happened yet. If Ukraine had to spend even 50% of the tanks received so far to take Melitopol that would be a very good deal for Ukraine.
can WE all just agree that this thread would be MUCH better talking about plinking with our tight nubile nephews with .22s?!
>nubile nephews
>nephews
Anon wtf? Nieces I would get nubile is a fitting word but nephews? This isn't/fit/.
https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/switzerland-takes-step-towards-sale-25-leopard-2-tanks-back-germany-2023-05-24/
Taking all bets - will Switzerland transfer some Leopards to Germany? Will they end up in Ukraine?
Maybe
https://www.nzz.ch/schweiz/panzerwagen-aus-der-schweiz-sind-im-krieg-in-der-ukraine-im-einsatz-ld.1731703?reduced=true
noob team !