Video of newly captured Russian positions. They fortified well (had a year...). Left ammo behind.
Caption says that Russians qualitatively strengthened their position before abandoning.
https://t.me/operativnoZSU/100718
Video of newly captured Russian positions. They fortified well (had a year...). Left ammo behind.
Those tress are not cut long, look at the ends of them
Are you blind? They're like a foot across and likely spanning the width of whatever room they're covering, of course they're cut long.
He means recently, the lumber is still fresh.
I think
meant "haven't been cut for long".
Because the logs are still very bright when they would normally start decaying (meaning they would start to go dark) as fungi start breaking it apart. That would usually only take a few weeks or months to visibly darken.
But they're still very bright meaning they must have been cut like one or two months ago or something.
Decaying in a year? Lmao, do you ever get outside? Wood holds up much longer than that, especially when you take precautions to keep it dryish.
Do you really think that a mobik has been going around the entrenchment with a hair dryer in hand making sure the lumber stays dry?
Not the exposed wood moron. And we're not talking about complete rot, were talking about how the ends still look fresh. That shit will grey in a matter of weeks from sun and water exposure. I work at a lumber yard and I see it all the time.
Do YOU ever go outside? They’re clearly talking about the ends. That wood does not look a year old.
That's pine, so it very well May be cut a year ago
I think that's rot. Wood tends to darken when you leave to the elements
If these conifers are anything like eastern white pine, that cut could be 2 years old
>t. Grandad made me chop wood when I visited
Look at the splits in the end of the logs from either the cold or the wood drying out. It was cut at least a few months ago for it to dry to that point.
It's also what stopped the wood from rotting.
Shoigu?
Could you explain to those of us who do not frick trees for a living why your comment is even relevant?
There's an entire comment chain debating on the age of the logs, why? Why does that matter?
Age of the emplacement you moron. You can deduce when this particular pillbox was made, especially since Russians have been in control of this area for a year now.
And? Who cares if someone decided to build emplacements at one particular time?
OP asserts that they "fortified well (had a year)" but forestry anon is saying that these fortifications were built very recently instead
"Forestry anon" also doesn't know what he's talking about.
Someone photoshop Shoigu onto that guy.
Why does it matter how long the fortifications have been there? The lines have been stagnant for a while in that region. It makes no difference if vatniks decided to build them a year ago or recently. It's not as if they would bother with anything more than dirt and logs. Were people seriously expecting the shoigfried line?
>who cares when precisely
Because it's an interesting data point to try and interpret. If they had 9-12 months and the resources of the Russian Armed Forces at their disposal, what does this recent construction imply? My best guess is that in the buildup to the counteroffensive, they got nervous about the potential strength of the push and tried to add some extra protection.
Similarly, the ammo being left behind suggests that the Russians in this position left in a hurry rather than as a methodical, purposeful withdrawal. I've seen reports that Russian ammo quality has been degrading, and channels like WarGonzo have been making allusions to "if the MoD gets vitally needed supplies to the frontline".
>the shoigfried line
nice.
>/k/- Forestry and Logging
So homosexual Gaykraine lying as usual about capturing Russian fortifications? Wow I am so shocked anon.
>had a year to hunker down
>wooden pillboxes
guess they can't afford concrete
Unfortunately all of the concrete pillboxes have been strategically reallocated to the VDV to help in their defence of the Moskva.
Thanks for reminding me of the best name for the fornication fortification.
>filename
Lel
Why is it rectangular? Easier to put together in a shitty factory?
They probably just pour their shit into wood forms and let's it dry in the open.
small indie superpower
>Russia has run out of septic tank bunkers
It's OVER.
Is it me, or did they just cut some doors and slits into a septic tank?
russia doesn't have septic tanks
Use of wood is a sign of loyalty to shoigu
>Nato dog uses concrete and steel, all of which produce tons of CO2
>Sensible Russian uses wood, cutting down the CO2 emissions of the war, saving the people and the planet in one fell swoop
Kinda surprised Russians haven't tried this cope yet.
Somehow I don't think the ziggers and their thirdie shills live well enough to have time for issues like that.
I think even they know trees absorb CO2 or simply don't care about green policies.
Doesn't matter. Ukraine is going up against heavy defenses and is doing so while outnumbered
>Russians are fully committed
>Ukrainians are not fully committed
I've seen this before
where are the cuck cubes?
In crimea or belgorod?
>they were empty
>no victims
Do russians ever get tired of lying?
How do you know if a russian is lying?
He opens his mouth
>bunkers
Holy shit is this ww2? What happened to maneuver warfare?
They are far too moronic to perform elastic defense in depth. You ask too much of these poor subanimals.
it died with the russians stock of "modern" armor and ifv
from what we have seen from other russian defensive works in concrete, both the mix and the pour are so shit that dirt and longs are probaly a safer bet
>both the mix and the pour are so shit that dirt and longs are probaly a safer bet
this. a lot of the concrete fortifications poured by russians have that characteristic beige tint that comes from having your aggregate contaminated with excessive amounts of dirt.
turns out even when mixing concrete you need to maintain some level of neatness/cleanliness or your concrete will start falling apart from the rain and frost alone. not to mention that there is actually some method to rebar - you don't just chuck in random bits of rusted metal into your formwork.
I had a cement floor that was poured during the vatnik union come from under some flooring. Thing is it dusted like crazy. Like it kicked up a dust cloud whenever you tried to brush it
After digging around turns out during kolhoz (state farm) days the cement trucks doubled as cargo trucks for carrying ash to the fields. They never cleaned it up and the ash got intermixed with the cement contaminating the whole thing
Estonia?
Commies -- Soviet and otherwise -- really seemed to love building everything they could out of concrete, yet paradoxically didn't seem to know too much about how to make good quality concrete. Not enough water/lime/sand? Eh, just eyeball the proportions and add some ash or whatever to round things out. Weird to see all this Brutalist architecture that was supposed to stand the test of time and it was already crumbling back in the 80s/90s.
The pillars on the Kerch Bridge appear to be in keeping with tradition in this regard.
You mix special rust inhibitors inside to protect the steel bars feom rusting and cracking the structure.
HAHAH BANANAHEIM LINE.
>Day 476
>Russians learned to avoid drones using some roofs.
Give it a year and they might hear about radios. That's when the gloves come off.
I guess the Thug Shaker General leaks included the top secret roof plans.
Needs more layers of dirt.
>"What's this then?"
>"I dunno, must be their best defensive positions."
>"Why?"
>"It doesn't have trash all over it."
Actually looks like a decent setup, and it has a whole lot of weapons and anti-tank stuff lying about.
But to me it doesn't look like there was a lot of fighting there. Did they retreat early from that position or something? Did they surrender?
Probably they had to abandon it when defence line started collapsing elsewhere.
There was no point to stay in a lost position. And all equipment they left must been there for resupply guys that ran away. So they took what they could carry and gtfo.
NOooo, but some /misc/tard told me yesterday that when you break through an enemy's defensive line, then you have to haul all your minesweeping equipment back to the start but 500 meters across and do it all over again along the entire 1000 mile long front.
What are these HATO-ISIS tactics you speak of "exploitation"? No such thing.
And this right here is the main weakness of static defences.
You spend all that effort making them and it just takes one breakthrough somewhere else and the whole thing has to be abandooned. Sure, if there's no breakthrough and no weak points then they're fantastic, but how often does that really happen?
Am I the only one who seems confused by the total contrast of Russian offensive and defensive methods in this war? Any position they want captured it becomes "Urraa!! No sacrifice too great!! To the last man!!" But inversely, they have no issues with retreating from positions when the situation is untenable. Seems like they have it backwards, if they can't be so fervent with both.
Looking at what they are doing, I think they are going for the WW1 German Defence-in-Depth, where you lightly defend the first line, bombard it whilst your troops pull back once they've made contact with the enemy and then go in for an aggressive counter-attack to push them out and follow through with your own attack.
Of course, this relies on the guys in the second line of the defence to actually launch the counterattack and not just sit there waiting for the enemy to come to them...
You still have to actually resist at the front for defense in depth. You don’t just rout and retreat to the next line.
>"Just retreat if it looks bad"
>Mobiks look out, see approaching Ukies, think "that looks bad", so they retreat
All sides did that in WW1. The Russians must have found some old Tsarist-era textbook on the subject in a museum somewhere.
That's because they're following the strategy of layered defence. Who cares if one line gets broken? Just fall back to the next one. Of course, the "fall back" part is where the potential for catastrophe lies. Apparently there have already been instances of some Russian units falling back in good order while others frick it up and get caught, which is to be expected when their forces are a professional/mobik mystery meat.
At some point in layered defense though, you have to actually start pushing back.
That's what the blocking battalion is for!
But yes, I fully expect them to shoot their own retreating soldiers, both thinking they're cowards, or thinking they're Ukrainian.
i have mates into camping and bushcrafting that could make better fortifications
Honestly. I'm a fat lazy piece of shit, but if you gave me a week and three or four buddies I could have done just as good if not better.
>Hole in a ground with wooden roof piled with dirt
YouTube recommends me click bait from "survivalist" shelters some guy clobbers in a day.
If this was something I build to protect my life... God damn.
Is there a webm, I don't want to make a telegram account.
every single basic field fortifications handbook for every single western army has more complete and better designs for fortifications. The fact that these are the result of a year of russian fortifications tells its own story.
What are people going on about? When Ukie trenches were posted early in the war: shallow slits with little dugouts at the ends covered with like plastic sheets, I don’t recall anons thinking it was laughable.
Except this is the result of over six months of effort on a static front that hasn't seen much fighting.
this better not have taken them more than 2 days to set up
>the one position that actually had some effort put into it
>immediately abandoned with no fight
why are they like this.
probably because their flanks were swiss cheese and they didn't want to be left holding the bag.
They just wanted to make a cool bunker fort, not fight
90% of the fun in squad is building cool bases with your friends and then packing up and leaving
too many buildergays on their team
All of that is wrong haha what
I'm with you in spirit but if you could show fresh trees it would require fresh fortification. The logic is there.
Probably not relevant, not to mention this is the top layer. The overarching point is they had time to fortify, which they did, so who cares when precisely.
Don't they got satellites and planes what could see trees getting chopped down
There are some smart Russians out there.
Smart enough to protect their lives, smart enough to run for their lives.
Thats the first line of impact
When the fortifications turns concrete, turns the hohols back to Kiev
I thought the Soviet doctrine was to have lightly defended first and second lines of impact to try and lure the enemy into a position where defenders could flank. The pushback of the RuAF 127th Motor Rifle Brigade suggests that the AFU is now 10km or less from those heavier 3rd-line concrete fortifications. And in this sector, it looks like the 4th line is just outside Berdyansk, so things are definitely heating up.
Indeed. The playbook is from 1600s but still...west falls for it.
russomutts have never won a war in the past 60 years
USA has lost to
Vietnam
Afganistan
You can keep saying that cope but it won't start being true, nor will it change that Russia's track record in war is really fricking shitty
Well, it changes here as ukraina will give russia 100 000 km^2 best lands.
Ukraine will be stopped soon, and the counter counter offensive starts.
When?
>Well, it changes here
Good, so you admit Russia has only ever been shit at war. That's progress. Given this now-agreed-upon shitty track record, what makes you think it's going to be any different or less embarassing this time around?
I mean it's more than a century of back-to-back clusterfricks
I know lol, and it figures the scummy little ratnik/pajeet doesn't have the stones to reply. They cope, they distract, they prevarificate, but they can't deny that the corrupt shithole they try to defend has been a byword for martial inadequacy for a fricking century kek
Russia won in Syria, USA lost all their wars since WW2.
Russians lost in Afghanistan worse than the burgers did you vatBlack person, at least the us conquered the country even if they failed at the uplifting
Anon, literally EVERYBODY loses to Vietnam. It's the geopolitical equivalent of drag racing against the ultimate sleeper build.
hilarious analogy
Do you have a higher-resolution map of the observed fortifications that extends further (particularly, further east)? I'm curious to see if I can cross-reference something.
So, "trap their wiener with our ass and squeeze them with the mighty Russian sphincter" but unironically?
>sit there for a year
>start hearing real talk about a counterattack
>quickly throw together some fortifications
>abandon at the first sight of real enemy contact
>leave behind your non-self exploding ammunition
Defence in the depths of moronation. Surely they have a more fortified line with serious fortification behind this one, right? They can't be that stupid.
I have written "they can't be that stupid" a lot this past year though.
maybe a logger or forester?
Anyone who cuts their own firewood can tell this stuff at a glance, i'm from Northern Maine and most 10 year olds up here would tell you the exact same no forestry degree required.
Those are good emplacements. I always like seeing well built defences.
The biggest tragedy of this war is the environmental destruction. Don't really care about the humans.
Is this the third first defensive line or the fourth first defensive line?
Shit, that looks like a lot of work. They couldn't have more than 2 lines to this standard?
Prepared defences is 100% absolutely what you need a hands-on junior office and NCO corps for. Unfortunately any fricking idiot can expend a lot of effort and resources doing it badly. The reality is you can't expect even a small group of men to dig themselves proper foxholes without at least some supervision from someone that cares if they are doing it right.
This is a structural problem. Ask yourself if Russia ever gave the impression it could do stuff like this in any conflict.
>Russians qualitatively strengthened their position before abandoning.
What's the tactical advantage of leaving your dzots and supplies to the enemy?
The vaunted Ziggfried Line.
>Left ammo behind
LoL no. Russia is out of ammo.