I'm trying to find a suitable replacement for gore-tex membrane jackets and I've looked into ventile/cotton jackets. I want with as much natural fibers as possible and the least amount of plastics. Till now, the only 2 that kinda fit the bill are pic related, Sasta Peski Anorak and the new Fjallraven Singi X anorak. I read that the Singi has double taped seams while the sasta has none
Which brand is more reputable and of higher quality?
2/2 Fjallraven singi x anorak
Probably not what you're looking for but have you ever heard of Paramo?
I have never heard of anyone owning anything made by Paramo and I have looked as far as... Threads on PrepHole... To find reviews of it.
Not sure if you're taking the Michael but I have a couple of Paramo jackets. Well made and very waterproof wven when drenched. Don't rustle either and still work with small rips and holes. Great kit.
That said, I have my eye on some of that new Swiss made ventile
>swiss made ventile
Isn't just re-branded as ETA-DRY? Is there even anything on the market that uses it?
Eta-Proof is just rebranded ventile by Stotz. Maybe others produce similar fabrics, but Stotz owns the ventile brand. There's tons of manufacturers that use either the eta-proof or the ventile brand fabric. Eta-Dry is a less densely woven (=less water- and windproof) variant.
The only brand I researched that used Eta proof/eta dry was Klattermunsen. Now they used Kalta cotton which is similar to eta proof/dry
Hello. I don’t bother wasting my time mentioning paramo as goytex has apparently ruined everyone’s critical thinking abilities.
Empire Canvas is a small local shop here that makes some expedition level anoraks. They are real nice for real winter conditions but if you are looking for more of a general purpose mix precipitation shell they aren't designed for that. These kind of anoraks aren't that hard to sew yourself either, the fabric is pretty easy to obtain that the design is very forgiving so sewing skills don't need to be perfect.
rain jacket+pants+wool shirt+woolen overalls
get expensive brand gear if you want light or get inexpensive army gear if you want durable
then warm jacket and pants to put on top when you stop, remember the sweat and dampness is what kills you
also good winter rubber boots with felt inboots not that america -tier winter army boot bullshit seen in youtube
im sure ameribros will get their jimmies rustled by this post but the truth is you don´t even know what cold is over there
homie I lived in Fairbanks, AK for half my life. I know what the cold is. So do people who live near the Great Lakes.
If you want to forgo all synthetic materials, you have frankly very few options for rain protection.
>Ventile/ETA proof
Not fully waterproof, but sufficient if you're wearing enough wool underneath. Mind you, it eventually wets through and becomes cold. Again, wear enough wool underneath.
>Wool
Wool is water repellent to a certain degree. More so if it is treated with lanolin and the right kind of fabric - either densely woven gabardine, or densely felted and unidirectionally brushed melton (called strichloden in german). Traditionally, strichloden was worn as a cloak, not as a jacket - if the cloak gets wet, the layers underneath don't immediately absorb the water. Early trench coats were made of wool gabardine, maybe it works a bit better.
>Waxed cotton/natural rubber
Fully or almost fully waterproof. Better worn as a cloak, rather than a jacket, since it is also not very breathable.
On balance, if I had to make a choice I would wear wool as top layer, and treat it with lanolin to be a kind of softshell. Then I'd carry a waxed cotton poncho in case of rain. I wouldn't trust eta proof in extended rain, but I frankly don't have experience with it so maybe it does work after all.
check out the northernplayground last jacket
Gorka suits are usually pure cotton and exist both in anorak or jacket cut and with or without synthetic reinforcements. Leaving manchildren and larpers in the bin they belong to, these kind of windproof and water repellent suits are what was used in the mountains until the advent of membranes.
I've never seen a place that sells gorka suits that didn't seem like a front to steal credit card information
There used to be absolute assloads of russian gear on ebay maybe 10 years back.
I have a russian gorka somewhere and it has the worst quality fabric i have seen in my entire life.
No brand imitation?
Why would anyone make copies of super cheap russian trash?
This stuff was incredibly cheap pre 2014
I wouldn't be surprised if some chinese company was making gorka copies. And I wouldn't be surprised either if their quality was better than russian made ones.
Either way. Cotton shells were popular with mountaineers, for a while, but that's because it's windproof and durable (and the common wool uniforms of the time weren't) not because it's waterproof. Not without plenty of impregnation anyway.
The truly traditional "shell" of european mountaineers is the wool cloak.
There are many Russian companies making their own worse suits for cheaper than larger brands such as ANA or your SSO. What's wrong with the fabric?
Ventile is water resistant due to its weave, the cotton swells with water and that makes it relatively waterproof.
Is there really only five people not talking out of their best hole on the whole board?
>Ventile is water resistant
Ventile is the very apex of water resistant cotton, and it still only works so-so.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ventile
>L24/5620 and L19/5610 are made also in Organic[15] way, denominated 5620.1 RUC and 5610.1 RUC respectively, replacing the fluorocarbon of DWR with paraffin wax. With this change, three properties worsened:[14] Water absorption changed from 10% to 15%, Resistance to water hydrostatic head changed from 750mm to 600mm and Oil repellency changed from 5–6 to 0.
Read the article in your own link. The treated material is etaproof. They bought the old Ventile name and use it for marketing.
Read it yourself. Etaproof is the exact same thing as ventile, it's only rebranded.
You are illiterate.
You're an idiot who apparently thinks that WW2 era weavers knew secrets in making waterproof cotton that modern manufacturers don't.
Learn English.
That's DWR. It's a surface water repellent treatment, it doesn't make the fabric waterproof.
I'm tired of this board.
DWR increases the hydrostatic head, a sufficient value of which is the general definition of waterproofness. And yes, ventile is not waterproof by the usual definitions, even with impregnation. Which was my point all along. (Of course you could just slather wax on it until it becomes basically waxed cotton, but that's not the point of ventile).
https://www.outdoorgear.co.uk/hydrostatic-head.asp#:~:text=For%20any%20fabric%20to%20be,water%20is%20pressed%20against%20it.
>The hydrostatic head for a waterproof jacket varies from manufacturer to manufacturer and from fabric and technology used. The level of waterproofing depends on the requirements and design purpose of the jacket. As a rule of thumb guide an hydrostatic head of 3000 is decent waterproofing, however if the jacket is used with a rucksack a much higher value will be needed. e.g. Gore-tex which has a minimum rating 20,000 when the jacket is new.
My brother in Christ, stop. It's not a fight in between you and me. No one cares about your wounded ego and bizarre posts.
Textile water buckets didn't use DWR, it's useless but for light spraying. Neither did fire hoses, and not RAF exposure suits that generated the fabric in question.
Such weave doesn't let water through because it swells, that's it. You will get wet by contact, perhaps double Ventile will reduce that significantly at least according to old guys on forums (not this cesspit). You wear wool underneath.
The DWR crap peddled today is Ventile only in name. The truth is it's hard to find any cotton smock not soaked in crap, you'd know if you searched, bought and used the gear.
>No one cares about your wounded ego and bizarre posts.
Projection.
>What's wrong with the fabric?
You can actually see it in my picture, the fabric is lumpy. Much worse in other places and almost holes in one or two spots.
I also wore holes in it remarkably quickly.
Lumps are normal in tent canvas.
If I'll buy such a suit I'll write a review on the board.
Ventile is heavy, expensive, fragile and to top it off not very waterproof.
It's comfy though but not something I will buy again.