>in the parades and recruitment ads
That's the whole point. They were supposed to be hyped about so much, that any enemy would just surrender their weapons mere seconds after hearing a distant "Veh-Deh-Veh!".
Nobody ever thought about the scenario, if the enemy doesn't surrender, so nobody bothered to actually train them properly. They are the potyomkin villages of the military world.
>Gostomel was a success >a decent track record overall before the war in Ukraine
Why do you separate their track record on "before" and "after" Ukraine, if Gostomel was a success?
>bringing up r*ddit when nobody mentioned r*ddit
That's r*ddit AF, vatBlack person.
Also they clearly didn't succeed, they lost. Only the first wave landed successfully, they couldn't secure the air base and they couldn't break out. That's a failure in the most basic sense.
Yeah it's fun. Look at US airborne troops. Or the even more extremely incompetent western European "armies" (more like anti riot forces) of france, gerpoor and uk.
It looks like Russia-s takeover of Gostomel was unironically the most impressive special operation in human history, only comparable with Gran Sasso Raid, mabey
Russia send a few hundred VDVs to take the most important airport in it-s enemy-s capital, they took it fast, and without any kind of significant support they hold it for two days until land forces arrive
Russians destroyed every attemp of the ukrainians to retake it in that two days, there were at least 4 attemps by the hohols, all failed and the VDVs obliterate them in every oportunity
In total 13 VDVs died, 2 were captured of 140 VDVs that took and hold the airport
Bravo
>Gostomel was a success on the part of the VDV
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Pact_invasion_of_Czechoslovakia
Was successful VDV operation, when 4 hours after war start VDV rushed B, reached government building in the Prague and arrested entire Czechoslovakia government. GG war won.
Hostomel was clear cosplay of Czechoslovakia and it ended as uter failure.
To answer the question, it’s not really the VDV’s fault their leaders are a bunch of fricking morons with no regard for their lives. They did the best they could under horrifically non-ideal circumstances.
>Gostomel was a success on the part of the VDV
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Pact_invasion_of_Czechoslovakia
Was successful VDV operation, when 4 hours after war start VDV rushed B, reached government building in the Prague and arrested entire Czechoslovakia government. GG war won.
Hostomel was clear cosplay of Czechoslovakia and it ended as uter failure.
I hear they are among the more competent personnel in the Russian military
The problem is that it doesn't matter how competent you are if your commander is moronic
Take Hostomel for example. If all the soldiers dropped in were Delta Force operators, I doubt the end result would have been much different. Once they found themselves 60 miles deep behind enemy lines, surrounded, and with no armored support, they were pretty much done for
I agree with this. I still think that VDV is only somewhat better trained and equipped than your average conscript, and compared to airborne forces of major Western powers - weak, but replace Hostomel invasion with Seals or Delta or SAS or whatever elite unit you can think of and result would be more or less same.
it is a hypothetical scenario, very unlikely, but you can't dismiss the fact unsupported light infantry can't survive vs. regular infantry with heavy vehicle support and artillery. the result would be the same even.
>it is a hypothetical scenario
It's misconstrued. They wouldn't have found themselves in that situation, because that's not something you approach with paratroopers only.
indeed, but that's besides the point of the argument
2 years ago
Anonymous
It's the fundamental point of the argument, my dude. It was a massacre not because the capability of the troopers, but because what a tactical frickup it was. That speaks to the incompetence of their command, and demerits their branch as a whole.
2 years ago
Anonymous
indeed, so we agree on all points except the way his argument should be structured c:
America can, and pretty sure they did, see Afghanistan invasion, goes for the Soviet VDV as well. Hostomel was not a fail for the VDV it was a fail for high command, air force, and most importantly logistics.
I believe I saw something where Putin had spent like $5 billion in training and recruiting a partisan force that would have provided support for those paratroopers.
Turns out, it all got stolen and people at every level just made shit up.
I forget the guy's name but the dude who tried to say "Let's not invade" during Putin's little round-table and got dressed down was apparently the guy in charge of that.
He knew all the reports were bullshit and Putin was basing his decision to invade on a mountain of bullshit.
Yes, the best and brightest 10%, along with all of its military academy instructors and all of its modern weapons. If Russia called a mobilization the country would collapse.
>why did they turn out to be such a joke?
Everyone is focusing on the VDV being a joke while missing out on the Guards regiments being just as bad but the real gem is the entire Rosgvardiya turning out to be evil drug addict drunk Mr. Bean does war. Pic related is the moronic useless object in charge of them
this homie looks like such a goofy homeless alcoholic, I was surprised to see he is personally involved with Kadyrov and was deep in some nasty business in Chechnya
>Two Putin cronies are involved >Suprised
Zolotov, the upstart metal worker, is Putins right hand man or atleast his confidant. Kadyrov is the biggest Putin wienersucker on the planet. He loves Putin because Putin lets him play God with the money from the Russian government (taxpayers). Literally everyone hates Kadyrov, but Putin helps him flush out his enemies to keep him in power. In return Kadyrov keeps the islamist extremism at the mininum. It's really moronic situation where everyone are humiliated.
Russians hate Chechens and Chechens hate Russians. During start of the war when Kadyrovsky got droned and Kadyrov made that video where he b***hed about the war being different, he propably got reprimanded because his tune changed back to be even more cartoonish. Rumor has it that they were droned so fast because the FSB leaked their location to Ukraine out of revenge for years of dead and maimed FSB agents in Chechenia, but after seeing Russias (and FSBs) performance in every field in this war, I'm not sure anymore.
Also apparently Kadyrov is a pedophile (he's a muslim, so obviously Lmao)
and a murderer, while Zolotov is just a murdering c**t. There was a rumor that Kadyrov fricked his own niece or daughter inorder to be closer to the prophet. But there's also more damning evidence, Kadyrov had a birthday party at a yacht in the Caspian Sea with many influential Russian politicians and oligarchs. The party had literal child strippers.
>But there's also more damning evidence, Kadyrov had a birthday party at a yacht in the Caspian Sea with many influential Russian politicians and oligarchs. The party had literal child strippers.
I'd ask for proofs, but I really don't want to actually see it
The irony is he's supposed to be one of the best individual bodyguards on the planet. That's how he caught Putin's (and Yeltsin's) favor - he's a fricking elite bodyman and hand-to-hand combatant and personal security officer.
But he's the Russian embodiment of the Peter Principle.
You know "bodyguard" in Russia means hitman right? That guy propably isn't a good bodyguard, but propably very loyal and semi-competent hitman. That's why Putin keeps him close.
Their personnel is very well trained but high command and intelligence is shit thats why gostomel become such a shit show but ill give them credit because after they got btfoed in first assault vdv retook it and held it untill ivans withdrawed from northern Ukraine
Because as seems to be the way with the Russian military they weren't used probably. You can have the best paratroopers in the world but if you drop them too far behind enemy lines for the ground units to reach and then don't manage to send them supplies they'll eventually get overwhelmed. Light infantry is still light infantry.
They did pretty well overall...BUT, they were ultimatly doomed by the systemic failures of the russian army as a whole. Good soldiers can make a diffrence, but if their support structure is rotten to its core, they are nothing but meatbags waiting to be turned in to fine red mist by the enemies big guns.
Good soldiers with poor support can get you far. But mediocre soldiers with strong support turn in to an unstoppable juggernaut of pure ballsack crushing superiority
That's because you don't understand the true purpose of VDV. They are meant to be a political compliance shock troops. Russia is a huge country, very diverse ethnically. VDV is a tool made to make any kind of a rebellion or secession unthinkable. Hence the need for great mobility, fearsome reputation and special privileges so they stay loyal.
Honestly, it's a bit complicated.
We know for a fact that Ukrainian SOFs engaged the VDV a Hostomel. We have strong indicators, that TDF played a fixing role. We also have Russian claims (POWs) that they were struck by Aviation, artillery and missiles.
I remember that some OSINT guy made a pretty explicit list of units involved in Hostomel and it was actually very short.
Look. This whole shitfest doesn't have to be "le other side bad and lying". We know the Ukrainian SOFs have been heavily reformed after 2014. Krivonos has been especially important for this. Canadian and UK trainers specifically talk about their use.
Throughout the entire conflict, we've had written and visual confirmation of Ukrop SOFs operating in the Russian rear.
This does not mean they are some weird Delta-Air Service-Berret shit, it just means that the Ukies are emplying SOFs. Just like the Russians do.
Why is that even a controversial statement?
Look. This whole shitfest doesn't have to be "le other side bad and lying". We know the Ukrainian SOFs have been heavily reformed after 2014. Krivonos has been especially important for this. Canadian and UK trainers specifically talk about their use.
Throughout the entire conflict, we've had written and visual confirmation of Ukrop SOFs operating in the Russian rear.
This does not mean they are some weird Delta-Air Service-Berret shit, it just means that the Ukies are emplying SOFs. Just like the Russians do.
Why is that even a controversial statement?
Ukrainian SOF has had 8 years of the finest NATO glowie training. They're the real deal.
Then again, pretty much everybody's special forces are kind of on the same level, it just comes down to individual experience in actually executing successful missions
Vid related, I believe this was Ukie SOF just outside of Hostomel.
..video of military origin.. wow..
americanes only understand combat from tv and movie, where hero survived everything.. reality is in military there is an expectency to die.. you simply follow orders and vdv does this politely, without screaming shouting up and down "character" of the hysteric amercanes and their puppetes that kiev marauders are imitating... while they created tiktok video.. vdv created succesful mission
>vdv created succesful mission
vid related, pal. look at all these successful feints and diversions!
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Ukrainian SOF has had 8 years of the finest NATO glowie training. They're the real deal.
Then again, pretty much everybody's special forces are kind of on the same level, it just comes down to individual experience in actually executing successful missions
Vid related, I believe this was Ukie SOF just outside of Hostomel.
[...] >vdv created succesful mission
vid related, pal. look at all these successful feints and diversions!
>vdv had some really nice shit
Check out the RT vid
For those that don't know why so many Vatniks in here are trying to rewrite history;
RT just had a big video about VDV in Homostal. Of course it's all very Pro RU and shows no losses and only positive things.
lots of AK12's with RDS, even grenade launchers. Stuff you never see again.
people treat SOF like they're holy and special to THEIR nation. truth is most nations are big enough to afford pouring money and time into selecting, training and equipping a couple hundred guys to an extreme level. the major factor that defines SOF reliability and consistency in ops is just experience and even then they're only humans.
the tiresome western lies make it a strain to make comment but "on the fingers"
1) this idea of "conscripts".. there is no conscripts taking place in operation....
2) hostomel was completely sucess in the main achievements of objective, the kiev marauders become tied down giving the "main effort" easy access
3) VDV are elite.. meeting them is extremely rare.... if they are bad then why does everyone know about them lol.. a smally deployed unit with large shadow
4) "on the shoulders" of vdv sucess north of kiev, besides main efforts, addiotional objectives were undertaken to completely denazifi along the borders.. this is little talked about
5) using only fraction of available capability, russia tied down the entire nato "high alert" in europe..giving option to expand towards alaska.. vdv alone created this opertunity
..video of military origin.. wow..
americanes only understand combat from tv and movie, where hero survived everything.. reality is in military there is an expectency to die.. you simply follow orders and vdv does this politely, without screaming shouting up and down "character" of the hysteric amercanes and their puppetes that kiev marauders are imitating... while they created tiktok video.. vdv created succesful mission
the tiresome western lies make it a strain to make comment but "on the fingers"
1) this idea of "conscripts".. there is no conscripts taking place in operation....
2) hostomel was completely sucess in the main achievements of objective, the kiev marauders become tied down giving the "main effort" easy access
3) VDV are elite.. meeting them is extremely rare.... if they are bad then why does everyone know about them lol.. a smally deployed unit with large shadow
4) "on the shoulders" of vdv sucess north of kiev, besides main efforts, addiotional objectives were undertaken to completely denazifi along the borders.. this is little talked about
5) using only fraction of available capability, russia tied down the entire nato "high alert" in europe..giving option to expand towards alaska.. vdv alone created this opertunity
This is a genuinely good vatnik impression, well done
>4) "on the shoulders" of vdv sucess north of kiev, besides main efforts, addiotional objectives were undertaken to completely denazifi along the borders.. this is little talked about
You mean... the Kharkiv rout?
>5) using only fraction of available capability
T14 armatas when?
Probably nothing honestly. But it's funny that 4 dudes all loaded up going to who knows what...
Mostly it just brings up memories of BF4 and trying to catch a sneaky flank on Metro only to get slaughtered by a whole squad camping the exit with mad explosive spam.
Yeah i remember seeing this fat RU dude talking to CNN or RT or something when they first dropped. Then in that BBC vid you can see his portrait in the dead. They got fricked real hard on that, and seeing RU try to turn it into this big deal epic operation is pretty funny.
For those that don't know why so many Vatniks in here are trying to rewrite history;
RT just had a big video about VDV in Homostal. Of course it's all very Pro RU and shows no losses and only positive things.
They aren't. The VDV is one of the few functional units of the Russian armed forces, alongside the marine infantry. It's just that they were thrown into hopeless situations and expected to pull off a miracle.
Airborne operations are notoriously dangerous and complex. The reason why American or British airborne units do well is because, unlike the VDV, they have extensive support from the other branches of the military, instead of just being thrown into poorly planned operations, way too deep into enemy land and in contested airspace.
Russians just love projecting. Given that trannies live rent-free in their heads it is probably fair to assume that a number of them are autogynophiles.
They probably are better than the average infantry unit. But that doesn't really matter if they aren't properly used. Using airborne shock troops to capture key areas ahead of your main advance is a good idea. But light infantry with limited ammunition and heavy weapons cannot hold that position for long. So you have to be realistic in your expectations of how quickly you can relieve them and plan accordingly.
Their failures during the initial advance on Kiev seem to me to stem from poor operational planning, and in that case you can't really blame the guys on the ground.
Operationally the plan made sense on paper. Surprise air assault a bunch of VDV to seize the airport. Ground forces thrust from the North and link-up. Follow on forces to be air transported in, and now you've started a great chokehold on Kiev.
Problem lays with Russian planning staff vastly underestimating the requirements to realistically support all of this. The completely underestimated the tenacity of the Ukrainians both at Hostemel, and to the north (which is pretty stupid as they know these guys are defending their capital). They completely underestimated the CSS requirements for the ground force, ensuring if the Ukrainians didn't stop them from linking-up, their lack of supplies would. Further, they did not create a sufficiently clear air corridor, leading to the initial wave off of the follow-on forces, and shooting down of several IL-76s.
Another massive factor is they didn't reveal their Op to the lads until the flight there; meaning no battle planning at the lower levels. This undoubtedly is the main reason why they were a bag of hammers, because no one other than their officer cadre had a clue what the frick was going on, what their task, purpose was, contingencies if shit went south, etc. Based on the interview on a dude that got captured there, they were just along for the ride and got mucked.
You understand that nobody but officers actually have authority in the russian military, right? Them not telling the enlised and NCOs nothing is actually very normal and almost expected coming rom the russian armed forces, their NCOs are already glorified enlisted men.
I do understand that, and the lack of lower level leadership is a huge hole in the Russian Armed Forces that has led to strategic level impacts. The idea of not briefing your guys on what you are doing until you are in the midst of doing it (despite having ample time to give them a quick rundown) is insanely moronic. The Russian Armed Forces will forever be third world tier until they get away from the wholesome centralization of command and control. They'll lose less key decision makers on the front lines that way.
Apparently there are still enough VDV left alive for them to be active Kherson. https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1547823043354828803 I wonder if they fare any better than the last patch.
individually and as a cohort they're probably pretty good, but so are a troupe of circus acrobats.
the truth is that strongman governments always have weak militaries and use "elite units" as part of their propaganda routines to pretend to be strong. It's far easier to train a couple hundred braindead motards to perform on command and look sharp in a parade than it is to fix systemic operational issues in your crippled top heavy crapsack military.
Look at the difference: VDV get put on display doing party tricks and shown on state TV whenever the Army is mentioned- Iran's Takavar or France's COS you never hear about until they sink some israeli fishing boats or rock out on a bunch of bush Black folks in some shithole in Africa.
Whenever you hear about some specops team doing wild shit like hanging by their ballsacks from a bridge for 48 hours or eating tarantulas etc it is ALWAYS from a shithole country with a shithouse military >pic related >circus clowns
shit like this totally glances over the fact that before Ukraine, the VDV was an absolute workhorse for the russians. The VDV did unbelievable things in Afghanistan but it doesn't really matter how good the unit is if command is sending them directly into suicide
The VDV, especially its mechanised infantry make a lot of sense in a low to medium intensity conflict, Operation Storm-333 style operation into a failed states political centre. But they really aren't good enough for peer to peer conflict as it turns out.
Form the few times we saw them actually fight they seemed to do decently. You know except for the part where light infantry doesn't do well against massed armor and artillery. Or when they have to jump without a parachute because planes don't like S300s, or land in freezing water, or just get left in the middle of hostile territory and forgotten about, ect.
If they are tasked with doing paratrooper things and given clear objectives and plans while well supported by other branches, then yes they are very good.
Unfortunately, for a great many russian mothers, this is not the case during the war for Ukraine
>in the parades and recruitment ads
That's the whole point. They were supposed to be hyped about so much, that any enemy would just surrender their weapons mere seconds after hearing a distant "Veh-Deh-Veh!".
Nobody ever thought about the scenario, if the enemy doesn't surrender, so nobody bothered to actually train them properly. They are the potyomkin villages of the military world.
>Nobody ever thought about the scenario, if the enemy doesn't surrender
Joke? I think they are a nice boy band. Have some respect!
They didn't.
Gostomel was a success on the part of the VDV and the VDV have a decent track record overall before the war in Ukraine
Stop falling for memes you see on reddit
>Gostomel was a success
>a decent track record overall before the war in Ukraine
Why do you separate their track record on "before" and "after" Ukraine, if Gostomel was a success?
>bringing up r*ddit when nobody mentioned r*ddit
That's r*ddit AF, vatBlack person.
Also they clearly didn't succeed, they lost. Only the first wave landed successfully, they couldn't secure the air base and they couldn't break out. That's a failure in the most basic sense.
Yeah it's fun. Look at US airborne troops. Or the even more extremely incompetent western European "armies" (more like anti riot forces) of france, gerpoor and uk.
It looks like Russia-s takeover of Gostomel was unironically the most impressive special operation in human history, only comparable with Gran Sasso Raid, mabey
Russia send a few hundred VDVs to take the most important airport in it-s enemy-s capital, they took it fast, and without any kind of significant support they hold it for two days until land forces arrive
Russians destroyed every attemp of the ukrainians to retake it in that two days, there were at least 4 attemps by the hohols, all failed and the VDVs obliterate them in every oportunity
In total 13 VDVs died, 2 were captured of 140 VDVs that took and hold the airport
Bravo
Yeah under the sea
and what happened next? they all died. that's right anon, they all just died.
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have you seen interviews with survivors? they literally hid there for 2 days being gradually killed off
why isn't the VDV still in gostomel after such a magnificent victory?
Many of them are, helping to regrow the grass.
No job is too much for the VEH DEH VEH
Their mom called the to return for a dinner.
Wtong
>muh reddit
To answer the question, it’s not really the VDV’s fault their leaders are a bunch of fricking morons with no regard for their lives. They did the best they could under horrifically non-ideal circumstances.
was a success on the part of the VDV
one could argue it was, the airport at least. they did seem to hold it at huge pointless cost
they couldn't hold the surrounding area as well though. they needed to capture a huge area around the airport to make it safe and usable (they didn't)
>Gostomel was a success on the part of the VDV
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Pact_invasion_of_Czechoslovakia
Was successful VDV operation, when 4 hours after war start VDV rushed B, reached government building in the Prague and arrested entire Czechoslovakia government. GG war won.
Hostomel was clear cosplay of Czechoslovakia and it ended as uter failure.
If VDV were successful why are they all dead?
They're not dead, they're resting. They're... pining for the Urals.
last time i posted the piles of dead VDV at Gostomel here i was banned for a week kek
One banan has been deposited into your account.
Thank you for your service, and prepare yourself to be sent with the next wave
I hear they are among the more competent personnel in the Russian military
The problem is that it doesn't matter how competent you are if your commander is moronic
Take Hostomel for example. If all the soldiers dropped in were Delta Force operators, I doubt the end result would have been much different. Once they found themselves 60 miles deep behind enemy lines, surrounded, and with no armored support, they were pretty much done for
I agree with this. I still think that VDV is only somewhat better trained and equipped than your average conscript, and compared to airborne forces of major Western powers - weak, but replace Hostomel invasion with Seals or Delta or SAS or whatever elite unit you can think of and result would be more or less same.
They wouldn't have sent paratroopers to take an airport without fire support to begin with. That's why your analogy doesn't work.
it is a hypothetical scenario, very unlikely, but you can't dismiss the fact unsupported light infantry can't survive vs. regular infantry with heavy vehicle support and artillery. the result would be the same even.
>it is a hypothetical scenario
It's misconstrued. They wouldn't have found themselves in that situation, because that's not something you approach with paratroopers only.
indeed, but that's besides the point of the argument
It's the fundamental point of the argument, my dude. It was a massacre not because the capability of the troopers, but because what a tactical frickup it was. That speaks to the incompetence of their command, and demerits their branch as a whole.
indeed, so we agree on all points except the way his argument should be structured c:
It's stupid because Western militaries wouldn't ever make such a stupid decision to send him paratroopers with no support to begin with.
America can, and pretty sure they did, see Afghanistan invasion, goes for the Soviet VDV as well. Hostomel was not a fail for the VDV it was a fail for high command, air force, and most importantly logistics.
>Hostomel was not a fail for the VDV it was a fail for high command, air force, and most importantly logistics.
And what was the failure?
I believe I saw something where Putin had spent like $5 billion in training and recruiting a partisan force that would have provided support for those paratroopers.
Turns out, it all got stolen and people at every level just made shit up.
I forget the guy's name but the dude who tried to say "Let's not invade" during Putin's little round-table and got dressed down was apparently the guy in charge of that.
He knew all the reports were bullshit and Putin was basing his decision to invade on a mountain of bullshit.
>Joke
Russia is using 10% of its military to defeat the entirety of NATO and Ukrainian nationalists.
When the glove will finally come off, the rest of the world will be shocked to see no hand underneath.
>i'm only using 10% of my power
>Ukraine is the entirety of HATO
Vatniks truly live in bizarro world
>use 10% of military power
>lose 50% of active inventory tanks
By all means, do use the rest.
Russia is using the entirety of its deployable army against a shithole like Ukraine and still getting nowhere*
Yes, the best and brightest 10%, along with all of its military academy instructors and all of its modern weapons. If Russia called a mobilization the country would collapse.
Their job is to intimidate locals, not to function as a combat force.
>why did they turn out to be such a joke?
Everyone is focusing on the VDV being a joke while missing out on the Guards regiments being just as bad but the real gem is the entire Rosgvardiya turning out to be evil drug addict drunk Mr. Bean does war. Pic related is the moronic useless object in charge of them
this homie looks like such a goofy homeless alcoholic, I was surprised to see he is personally involved with Kadyrov and was deep in some nasty business in Chechnya
>this homie looks like such a goofy homeless alcoholic
Yes we already knew hes russian before you even posted
Lel
>Two Putin cronies are involved
>Suprised
Zolotov, the upstart metal worker, is Putins right hand man or atleast his confidant. Kadyrov is the biggest Putin wienersucker on the planet. He loves Putin because Putin lets him play God with the money from the Russian government (taxpayers). Literally everyone hates Kadyrov, but Putin helps him flush out his enemies to keep him in power. In return Kadyrov keeps the islamist extremism at the mininum. It's really moronic situation where everyone are humiliated.
Russians hate Chechens and Chechens hate Russians. During start of the war when Kadyrovsky got droned and Kadyrov made that video where he b***hed about the war being different, he propably got reprimanded because his tune changed back to be even more cartoonish. Rumor has it that they were droned so fast because the FSB leaked their location to Ukraine out of revenge for years of dead and maimed FSB agents in Chechenia, but after seeing Russias (and FSBs) performance in every field in this war, I'm not sure anymore.
Also apparently Kadyrov is a pedophile (he's a muslim, so obviously Lmao)
and a murderer, while Zolotov is just a murdering c**t. There was a rumor that Kadyrov fricked his own niece or daughter inorder to be closer to the prophet. But there's also more damning evidence, Kadyrov had a birthday party at a yacht in the Caspian Sea with many influential Russian politicians and oligarchs. The party had literal child strippers.
>Kadyrov is a pedophile
Those goats are all of legal age.
>But there's also more damning evidence, Kadyrov had a birthday party at a yacht in the Caspian Sea with many influential Russian politicians and oligarchs. The party had literal child strippers.
I'd ask for proofs, but I really don't want to actually see it
The Human Rodent.
The irony is he's supposed to be one of the best individual bodyguards on the planet. That's how he caught Putin's (and Yeltsin's) favor - he's a fricking elite bodyman and hand-to-hand combatant and personal security officer.
But he's the Russian embodiment of the Peter Principle.
You know "bodyguard" in Russia means hitman right? That guy propably isn't a good bodyguard, but propably very loyal and semi-competent hitman. That's why Putin keeps him close.
Their personnel is very well trained but high command and intelligence is shit thats why gostomel become such a shit show but ill give them credit because after they got btfoed in first assault vdv retook it and held it untill ivans withdrawed from northern Ukraine
Because third world shit holes care more about parading their military than their soldiers ability to actually function in war.
Because as seems to be the way with the Russian military they weren't used probably. You can have the best paratroopers in the world but if you drop them too far behind enemy lines for the ground units to reach and then don't manage to send them supplies they'll eventually get overwhelmed. Light infantry is still light infantry.
They did pretty well overall...BUT, they were ultimatly doomed by the systemic failures of the russian army as a whole. Good soldiers can make a diffrence, but if their support structure is rotten to its core, they are nothing but meatbags waiting to be turned in to fine red mist by the enemies big guns.
Good soldiers with poor support can get you far. But mediocre soldiers with strong support turn in to an unstoppable juggernaut of pure ballsack crushing superiority
they captured the airbase and defended it for some time. it's not their fault the invasion failed.
That's because you don't understand the true purpose of VDV. They are meant to be a political compliance shock troops. Russia is a huge country, very diverse ethnically. VDV is a tool made to make any kind of a rebellion or secession unthinkable. Hence the need for great mobility, fearsome reputation and special privileges so they stay loyal.
Eyebrow? Raised
Cauldron? Boiled
Banan? Peeled
Cum? Chugged
Russian leadership is a joke
What unit(s) stopped the VDV at the airport anyway?
Don't go OPSEC, this is ancient history by the war's standards, lol.
Honestly, it's a bit complicated.
We know for a fact that Ukrainian SOFs engaged the VDV a Hostomel. We have strong indicators, that TDF played a fixing role. We also have Russian claims (POWs) that they were struck by Aviation, artillery and missiles.
I remember that some OSINT guy made a pretty explicit list of units involved in Hostomel and it was actually very short.
>Ukrainian SOF
Like fricking Delta Force-tier I bet.
Look. This whole shitfest doesn't have to be "le other side bad and lying". We know the Ukrainian SOFs have been heavily reformed after 2014. Krivonos has been especially important for this. Canadian and UK trainers specifically talk about their use.
Throughout the entire conflict, we've had written and visual confirmation of Ukrop SOFs operating in the Russian rear.
This does not mean they are some weird Delta-Air Service-Berret shit, it just means that the Ukies are emplying SOFs. Just like the Russians do.
Why is that even a controversial statement?
>Krivonos
KRIVONOS!
Ukrainian SOF has had 8 years of the finest NATO glowie training. They're the real deal.
Then again, pretty much everybody's special forces are kind of on the same level, it just comes down to individual experience in actually executing successful missions
Vid related, I believe this was Ukie SOF just outside of Hostomel.
>vdv created succesful mission
vid related, pal. look at all these successful feints and diversions!
Here have the more gruesome part 2 WEBM.
Look how polite they are
>stacked and destroyed pallets in the middle of the street
so thats the true casus belli behind this whole war...
Where is VDV_smashed_1.webm?
see
this one vid is so incredibly kino and cinematic
also looking back, vdv had some really nice shit
>vdv had some really nice shit
Check out the RT vid
lots of AK12's with RDS, even grenade launchers. Stuff you never see again.
>Vid related, I believe this was Ukie SOF just outside of Hostomel.
That's in Irpin.
people treat SOF like they're holy and special to THEIR nation. truth is most nations are big enough to afford pouring money and time into selecting, training and equipping a couple hundred guys to an extreme level. the major factor that defines SOF reliability and consistency in ops is just experience and even then they're only humans.
WE WILL NEVER SEE DRONE FOOTAGE FROM THIS ANONS I CANT TAKE IT
I think it was mostly local national guards and reservist units and some Ukrainian SOF.
VDV are the best trained and equipped paratroopers in the world. It would be easy for them to liberate Japan and Alaska in a single week.
the tiresome western lies make it a strain to make comment but "on the fingers"
1) this idea of "conscripts".. there is no conscripts taking place in operation....
2) hostomel was completely sucess in the main achievements of objective, the kiev marauders become tied down giving the "main effort" easy access
3) VDV are elite.. meeting them is extremely rare.... if they are bad then why does everyone know about them lol.. a smally deployed unit with large shadow
4) "on the shoulders" of vdv sucess north of kiev, besides main efforts, addiotional objectives were undertaken to completely denazifi along the borders.. this is little talked about
5) using only fraction of available capability, russia tied down the entire nato "high alert" in europe..giving option to expand towards alaska.. vdv alone created this opertunity
Half of them are still swimming to the OBJ
..video of military origin.. wow..
americanes only understand combat from tv and movie, where hero survived everything.. reality is in military there is an expectency to die.. you simply follow orders and vdv does this politely, without screaming shouting up and down "character" of the hysteric amercanes and their puppetes that kiev marauders are imitating... while they created tiktok video.. vdv created succesful mission
8/10
Successful underwater mission, is there anything vehdehveh can't do? They even die politely!
This is a genuinely good vatnik impression, well done
Routing is great success, western pigs will never understand
>4) "on the shoulders" of vdv sucess north of kiev, besides main efforts, addiotional objectives were undertaken to completely denazifi along the borders.. this is little talked about
You mean... the Kharkiv rout?
>5) using only fraction of available capability
T14 armatas when?
i am not even going to address the other points
>VDV are elite.. meeting them is extremely rare
it is now
I thought this was real until Alaska was mentioned. Overall 9/10 bait. Good job anon.
>meeting them is extremely rare
Make that 81
The other half are still trapped in the elevator waiting for the c4, SMAWs, and impact grenades at the top.
C4 + claymore combo too OP, fricking hohol campers
Dafq happend in that elevator?
Probably nothing honestly. But it's funny that 4 dudes all loaded up going to who knows what...
Mostly it just brings up memories of BF4 and trying to catch a sneaky flank on Metro only to get slaughtered by a whole squad camping the exit with mad explosive spam.
LOL
Yeah i remember seeing this fat RU dude talking to CNN or RT or something when they first dropped. Then in that BBC vid you can see his portrait in the dead. They got fricked real hard on that, and seeing RU try to turn it into this big deal epic operation is pretty funny.
Anybody who still believes Okraina retook the airport on day 1 is probably clinically moronic.
>it wasn't a defeat because we held onto it for a few days before retreating
>few weeks until the Kievan withdrawal happened
Fix'd it for you.
For those that don't know why so many Vatniks in here are trying to rewrite history;
RT just had a big video about VDV in Homostal. Of course it's all very Pro RU and shows no losses and only positive things.
They aren't. The VDV is one of the few functional units of the Russian armed forces, alongside the marine infantry. It's just that they were thrown into hopeless situations and expected to pull off a miracle.
Airborne operations are notoriously dangerous and complex. The reason why American or British airborne units do well is because, unlike the VDV, they have extensive support from the other branches of the military, instead of just being thrown into poorly planned operations, way too deep into enemy land and in contested airspace.
Was one of the few...
This is from April 1st trying to track losses of the 303rd guard.
shouldn't be guarding russian ammo depots with all the other morons teenagers
VDV bros it really doesn't look good. Holding a airfield for two days and then loosing 80% of your manpower to real SOF is not an "elite force".
Why are you vatBlack folk always so obsessed with "Muh troonydick"?
Have you tried to go one day without always drooling over wiener anon?
Russians just love projecting. Given that trannies live rent-free in their heads it is probably fair to assume that a number of them are autogynophiles.
Badly misused in the early stages of the war, now presumably there aren't enough of them left to matter.
>VEH
They probably are better than the average infantry unit. But that doesn't really matter if they aren't properly used. Using airborne shock troops to capture key areas ahead of your main advance is a good idea. But light infantry with limited ammunition and heavy weapons cannot hold that position for long. So you have to be realistic in your expectations of how quickly you can relieve them and plan accordingly.
Their failures during the initial advance on Kiev seem to me to stem from poor operational planning, and in that case you can't really blame the guys on the ground.
Operationally the plan made sense on paper. Surprise air assault a bunch of VDV to seize the airport. Ground forces thrust from the North and link-up. Follow on forces to be air transported in, and now you've started a great chokehold on Kiev.
Problem lays with Russian planning staff vastly underestimating the requirements to realistically support all of this. The completely underestimated the tenacity of the Ukrainians both at Hostemel, and to the north (which is pretty stupid as they know these guys are defending their capital). They completely underestimated the CSS requirements for the ground force, ensuring if the Ukrainians didn't stop them from linking-up, their lack of supplies would. Further, they did not create a sufficiently clear air corridor, leading to the initial wave off of the follow-on forces, and shooting down of several IL-76s.
Another massive factor is they didn't reveal their Op to the lads until the flight there; meaning no battle planning at the lower levels. This undoubtedly is the main reason why they were a bag of hammers, because no one other than their officer cadre had a clue what the frick was going on, what their task, purpose was, contingencies if shit went south, etc. Based on the interview on a dude that got captured there, they were just along for the ride and got mucked.
You understand that nobody but officers actually have authority in the russian military, right? Them not telling the enlised and NCOs nothing is actually very normal and almost expected coming rom the russian armed forces, their NCOs are already glorified enlisted men.
I do understand that, and the lack of lower level leadership is a huge hole in the Russian Armed Forces that has led to strategic level impacts. The idea of not briefing your guys on what you are doing until you are in the midst of doing it (despite having ample time to give them a quick rundown) is insanely moronic. The Russian Armed Forces will forever be third world tier until they get away from the wholesome centralization of command and control. They'll lose less key decision makers on the front lines that way.
Apparently there are still enough VDV left alive for them to be active Kherson. https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1547823043354828803 I wonder if they fare any better than the last patch.
individually and as a cohort they're probably pretty good, but so are a troupe of circus acrobats.
the truth is that strongman governments always have weak militaries and use "elite units" as part of their propaganda routines to pretend to be strong. It's far easier to train a couple hundred braindead motards to perform on command and look sharp in a parade than it is to fix systemic operational issues in your crippled top heavy crapsack military.
Look at the difference: VDV get put on display doing party tricks and shown on state TV whenever the Army is mentioned- Iran's Takavar or France's COS you never hear about until they sink some israeli fishing boats or rock out on a bunch of bush Black folks in some shithole in Africa.
Whenever you hear about some specops team doing wild shit like hanging by their ballsacks from a bridge for 48 hours or eating tarantulas etc it is ALWAYS from a shithole country with a shithouse military
>pic related
>circus clowns
shit like this totally glances over the fact that before Ukraine, the VDV was an absolute workhorse for the russians. The VDV did unbelievable things in Afghanistan but it doesn't really matter how good the unit is if command is sending them directly into suicide
The VDV, especially its mechanised infantry make a lot of sense in a low to medium intensity conflict, Operation Storm-333 style operation into a failed states political centre. But they really aren't good enough for peer to peer conflict as it turns out.
Puccians are only good murdering innocent civilians. Things get complicated when they have to face real warriors.
because anon, they are made for gachimuchi. They are lovers, not fighters
Form the few times we saw them actually fight they seemed to do decently. You know except for the part where light infantry doesn't do well against massed armor and artillery. Or when they have to jump without a parachute because planes don't like S300s, or land in freezing water, or just get left in the middle of hostile territory and forgotten about, ect.
Holhols refuse to fight fair and line up for a tomahawk backflip attack.
literally nothing wrong with VDV
If they are tasked with doing paratrooper things and given clear objectives and plans while well supported by other branches, then yes they are very good.
Unfortunately, for a great many russian mothers, this is not the case during the war for Ukraine
too much dedovschina