https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2023/04/19/future-lcs-cleveland-launches-strikes-tugboat/
0 days spent at sea. Already back in for comprehensive repairs.
The LCS is going out with a bang.
US Navy Ship Launches, Immediately Strikes Tugboat
https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2023/04/19/future-lcs-cleveland-launches-strikes-tugboat/
0 days spent at sea. Already back in for comprehensive repairs.
The LCS is going out with a bang.
And this are the people who were raging because Leopard 2 was damaged during training. Who even allows Americans to operate anything bigger than mobility scooter
hey, that's some heavy duty gear.
to lift an american you need heavy machinery indeed
>r/whoosh
>And this are the people
And these are the people who speak English as a second language. They are generally poor and live in authoritarian countries and secretly dream of one day living in America.
>people dream troony pedophiles and loud annoying Black folk
go back
>oh boy, today i'm gonna make so many western fight each other on a vietnamese penis painting forum.
>Who even allows Americans to operate anything bigger than mobility scooter
Me
>who were raging
Who?
Its pretty clear he meant Americans. Read the second sentence. His post is obviously meant to attack Americans and instigate shitflinging.
And these people still think they can oppose China?
hehe....
> Ship returned to port, there were no survivors.
I always wonder if that guy merely got concussed or if he died taking a metal plate powered by the ocean to the face
>hatches open inward
lol, lmao. Can bug people do ANYTHING right?
ITS SUPPOSED TO BE LIKE THAG GWAILO!
what's there to oppose?
hey, guy
it's lucky i caught you. i have a problem
i recently bought a sand timer from you people and it fails 3 times out of 10. sand clumps and stops pouring down, could you please send me a replacement asap. also please make sure it works correctly, because the ones i have now are 6-15 seconds off depending on the season.
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US ship can't sail for five minutes without hitting something.
> B-but CHYNA BAD!!!!
Is this mental illness?
Implessive. You have just invalidated the 20 aircraft carriers of the United States Navy with this single post. You have also managed to replace the millions of tons of grain imported from the United States that over 10% of chinsects will starve to death without. Very implessive.
>You have just invalidated the 20 aircraft carriers of the United States Navy
That's literally what China did with its hypersonic missiles
The US Navy wouldn't last a week against China
>That's literally what China did with its hypersonic missiles
The missiles that can't hit a moving target. Ok.
Even in chinese doctrine, they're used for wide area denial, not precision strikes against a moving target.
The idea being you launch 20-50 all in a small couple dozen kilometer wide area, the idea isn't that it WILL hit your carrier, the idea is that it's moving so fast that if it WERE to hit your carrier, you couldn't do anything about it, so to avoid even the 1% possibility of that happening, you'll just stay the frick out of that area of the ocean instead.
This has to be satire.
Nope, that's genuinely how china plans to use their hypersonic missiles currently.
They're for large area denial, not for taking out a carrier in some kind of precision strike.
So in other words, the cruisers will be just fine.
Probably, but the USN will still avoid areas where those weapons are going to be deployed.
Even if it's a sub 1% chance of a hit, the value of a carrier is simply too high. $15B+ in assets and ~4500-6000+ American lives. It's not something the navy is going to risk, even if the odds of one of those hypersonic missiles hitting the carrier is tiny.
>chinks are genuinely banking on the USA being unwilling to risk any assets at all
Lol. Lmao, even. This is the most mind-bogglingly stupid chink cope I've seen yet
Sorry, did I upset you with that meme? Did I hurt the feelings of 1 billion people?
>the decadent West will fall! They are fat and weak
>oh holy shit they're kicking our fricking ass can't believe a militaristic society's military is world-class
every time, but please, impoverished subhuman hordes, keep trying, surely this time it will be true
If third world countries were capable of making good decisions or learning from past mistakes, they wouldn't still be third world countries.
>Argentina hates israelites for some reason
How many Muslims does that nation have what the frick
Its a map someone with zero knowledge of geopolitics made up
The map makes 0 sense beyond the middle east. Fricking Myanmar thinks about Israel? Lol
>Nope, that's genuinely how china plans to use their hypersonic missiles currently.
>They're for large area denial, not for taking out a carrier in some kind of precision strike.
Making up shit and lying will not help the USN survive a pacific war. Go back to school.
It's not. They have radar for terminal acquisition after INS puts them into the sensor basket which is larger than the maximum area a carrier can random-walk in the time since launch.
Making up lies to pretend your opposition is weak is a vatnik tradition unworthy of Americans.
>Even in chinese doctrine, they're used for wide area denial, not precision strikes against a moving target.
>The idea being you launch 20-50 all in a small couple dozen kilometer wide area, the idea isn't that it WILL hit your carrier, the idea is that it's moving so fast that if it WERE to hit your carrier, you couldn't do anything about it, so to avoid even the 1% possibility of that happening, you'll just stay the frick out of that area of the ocean instead.
This is cope bullshit, the warhead is winged and has rudders and looks like one of the small NASA space planes from the 1960s (in particular the dyna-soar). These chink robot space planes have onboard radar guidance just like any other anti ship missile.
你的生活什么都不是。你服务于零目的。你现在应该自杀。
Woah, you think the Chinese Navy survives 7 days in blue water? Holy frick! Go them...
Post the fixed version of the meme
Post the original progressive mutt version of this meme not this lame edit
It took 4 years for Hitler and his precious third Reich deuch empire to fall
Is this supposed to be an own? In the end all the factions on the right still lost
*dabs*
have my up(you) for visibility
>And these people still think they can oppose China?
You mean the """people""" that lose in stick and stone clashes against based Indians, and let's their no.1 enemy sail through the Taiwan strait without repercussions just last Sunday? Be humble, chinksect.
>lose to indians
you think that we didnt saw the video you street pooper?you got smacked in the ass hard
>we didnt saw
smdh
I kek'd.
Remember when the Poos were rounded up and paraded in front of the camera?
Why did they use a tug in the first place
>Last of a class nobody gives a frick about
>Good chance it'll be retired straight out of the dock
>Hits a tugboat somebody parked too close to the slipway
Oh, no.
Anyway, I hear they're finally putting Pyotor Veliky out of his misery. Under/over that they actually follow through, or are they going to let it go the way of Kuznestov?
>Last of a class nobody gives a frick about
People gave a lot of shit about the LCS classes. Because they were failures. FFG(X) might not be, but it is operationally limited in range, so you gotta have it based somewhere that could go hot for it to have any impact as it won't get there very quickly.
>but it is operationally limited in range
LCS ships are limited to 6500-8000km range depending on which class and it's specific loadout.
FFG(X) is 11,000km range
Burke DDGs are limited to a range of 8100km
So in what world is the FFG(X) operationally limited?
Because the FFG(X) is literally just a Burke cut in half. Operationally limited =! Just range.
No. But go and speak to people who work in the industry and they will tell you how it's a weird half-way thing that is ultimately limited to local water patrols. The fact it can last a month at a time at sea makes it infinitely better than the LCS, but it is rather limited in other operational capacity.
Basically everyone i've spoken to about it seems to be singing it praises from the rafters.
Based on an existing design so most of the ground work is already done, uses existing off the shelf weapons/sensors/etc already in existing USN usage.
It's like the best parts of the burke with a smaller footprint and 1/2 the price tag.
It's literally a FREMM, my dude.
>So in what world is the FFG(X) operationally limited?
I think he meant it does not have the large missile magazine and high end radars of a Burke or Tico, so they are really only frigates, not pocket Burkes that can be sent on DDG missions. FFG(X) represents the american MIC giving up ship design since it is an euro design.
The Constellations have better radars than Ticos and any currently operational Burke. They're getting mini SPY-6s which are essentially just smaller versions of the radars going on the Flight III Burkes. As GAN AESA radars even the cut down version is a dramatic upgrade over the SPY-1Ds that the current Burkes and Ticos use. You could stick SM-3s on a frigate and do BMD with them if you really wanted.
>69 RMA
that seems like a joke, what's it intended for land-based installation or were they planning to build some massive floating radar like pic related?
Imagine being lost at sea with provisions finally out. In your raft you see that thing in the horizon moving to your direction, not knowing what the hell that thing is.
There were proposals for a BMD focused San Antonio variant at one point. The original concept art they showed had a radar that would probably have been significantly more than 69 RMAs.
69 RMAs isn't actually all that absurd in the grand scheme of things. DDG(X) is looking at using 57, and that's for a pretty standard ship.
in reality, in a CSG it means you can task your frigates for local point air defence, and leave your burke DDG for primarily BMD, ASAT, and maybe longer-range air defence roles.
So your burkes can have less ESSMs and more SM-3/6
Are you moronic?
This is sheer incompetence don't pretend this was nothing anon come on
Bro wtf happened to us?
We used to be king in ship building.
>Price controls on pay during WWII meant shipbuilding companies had to compete on benefits.
>Benefits meant average shipyard worker got more expensive.
>As rest of world economically recovered, building merchant shipping overseas becomes more attractive, better infrastructure is created.
>Stuck with legacy shipyards, that aren't as big and up to date, and the drawdown of USN contracts with the end of the cold war, US shipyards consolidate or close.
Welcome to the crumbles.
all of the money that needed to spent upgrading US shipyards was spent upgrading south korean and japanese and then eventually chinese shipyards instead so that your elites could take advantage of the lower wages in those countries.
as a result the US shipyards suffocated under the weight of their old and inadequate infrastructure until they finally, mercifully, died.
the people who knew how to build ships all left or died and no new ones were trained because why train shipbuilders in a country that doesn't build ships?
and so now the US is trying build ships in old, inadequate yards run by incompetent people, and it's failing.
there is no way to have a strong military industry without a strong civilian domestic industry because the people you bring into the army need to come from somewhere, and the things that build military equipment need side-gigs (main gigs, really) to make money at when they're not doing army work.
and it's not like the individual people are incompetent. all of the top naval designers and tech and everything are all right here on shore. the problem is that these brilliant plans run into problems: the yard can't handle X equipment, we can't hire enough of Y worker, and then compromises need to be made, and everyone says "if you don't spend more money on it to actually fix this problem you're going to end up with dogshit", and the money is never spent because it's not about cutting a cheque and accepting a delay it's about literally creating an entire industry out of whole cloth over decades, and so at the end you get dogshit. and you tweak the dogshit for ten, twenty, thirty years until it's the most finely polished turd in the world, and it's true that the west's mature designs ARE better, but they come late and in small numbers because we pay out the ass to make bad solutions work so that we don't have to pay out the ass to subsidise an uncompetitive industry.
p.s. this is what is going to happen with the subs in australia. i fully expect to see a moon colony before i see an australian-built nuclear sub in the water.
>all of the money that needed to spent upgrading US shipyards was spent upgrading south korean and japanese and then eventually chinese shipyards instead so that your elites could take advantage of the lower wages in those countries.
now THIS is what happens when a midwit gets completely and totally DEMORALIZED
He isn't wrong though
it's completely fricking wrong. Tell me a single time when the US military has bought ships, aircraft, AFVs, etc DIRECTLY from china.
that's not what i said you fricking moron.
of course the US military doesn't buy ships from china, or south korea, or japan. but who DO they buy ships from?
US ship builders? which ones? the tiny shit ones that are only kept afloat by subsidies because they're uncompetitive.
OH. RIGHT.
We don't buy directly from China, but we do pay far more than we should be and our ships take far longer to complete because basically every ship we build is a one-off work of art. China's shipyards use modern construction practices that enable true mass production of ships. They heavily subsidize their yards to make building cheaper, so they get plenty of commercial orders to keep their workers employed and sharp. The same happens with their navy ships. The US shipyards by comparison are in famine mode and barely get enough orders from the navy and government (Jones Act orders) to survive. I'd also argue it's a Bad Thing for us to be relying primarily on foreign ships and shipping companies when our wealth as a nation depends on overseas trade.
The other problem the US has is that we try to stuff far too much future weapon vaporware into our designs, and when those projects encounter issues or have to be completely redesigned, or worse scrapped, it fricks with the hull procurement as well. The iterative improvement philosophy on designs that we practiced up until the '90s is just gone. Instead we built the Zumwalts for railguns that never worked out, we built the Ford for EMALS when EMALS was still being developed and subject to change, we built the LCS for "modular mission modules" that didn't exist and then feature-creeped the hell out of it because everybody wanted it to be a Burke. The Burkes are basically the last thing we've done that have been incremental improvement on existing designs without trying to cram in experimental shit that hasn't been finalized for actual production.
FWIW I think the LCS could still be a decent vessel for officers getting their first command, it can run FONOPs and save the wear on the Burkes, and it can do mine warfare . All of that is useful and has real value to the USN, and I think it's a mistake to be retiring them so quickly when we need hulls as badly as we do, and the FFX project has barely even started.
>Thinks the AGS was a railgun
At a minimum, you should at least skim wikipedia before you form opinions on complex topics.
In his defense, they were considering putting railguns on the Zumis at one point, but that was after the AGS and they weren't "designed for railguns." It seems more like he just got his chronology mixed up than he thought the AGS itself was a railgun.
Correct and my apologies, though I that doesn't refute the point that for the past 3 decades the navy was trying to build ships without the weapons intended for those ships being finalized (VGAS, then AGS in the Zumwalt's case), causing delays and cost overruns.
You forgot corruption.
Newport News Shipbuilding tried building Double Eagle tankers a few years ago…it was a disaster.
The ships are okay, I guess, but Newport News is so far and so long on the Navy tit that they forgot how to build a ship in time and under budget.
We relaxed, thinking the Cold War was over.
We offshored our steel industry.
You can’t make shits wothout a lot of good steel at economic prices,
Then we offshored our shipyards, because Japanese will work better for less.
Urban real estate developers looked at shipyards and saw “waterfront shot ox condos” and bought them up.
Then we let the government issue endless waivers protecting our domestic trades to foreign flag companies.
Lastly, schools started looking at Blue Collar jobs as work for Losers, so nobody gets basic training in the trades anymore.
Now we’re fricked.
The US blue water privately owned merchant fleet is less than 90 ships.
>Bro wtf happened to us?
>We used to be king in ship building.
You're running out of wypipo. Only 40% of americans are of european heritage. Go and take a look at Brasil, thats your future in ten years. If there is any consolation, guns are necessary survival tools in Brasil, judging by all the gore videos of pardos and macacos getting magdumped.
>Only 40%
So, still like 140 million people? Can you point to a single other country with more 'european stock' than the USA?
Steelworkers stopped making steel and went all in on politics. The “good” steel isn’t what they use for ships, which is what the steel mills still in business make.
>what’s good steel anon
The shiny shit. There’s no need for shiny steel on a boat.
/Knives/ sure is having a hell of a time though, have you SEEN some of these steels coming out?
You fricking morons are so fricking easly trolled, holy shit, its unreal. One guy posts about china and you all bite.
why the frick are they even still building LCS. It has got to be the worst class of ship given the performance cost per tonnage
>why the frick are they even still building LCS. It has got to be the worst class of ship given the performance cost per tonnage
There is not just one class of LCS there are two and both are gimped by the insane speed requirement which leads to excessive weight savings which leads to the ship and onboard equipment simply breaking down because of structural deficiences.
>and both are gimped by the insane speed requirement which leads to excessive weight savings which leads to the ship and onboard equipment simply breaking down because of structural deficiences.
Please do research beyond clickbait article headlines before you open your mouth
It's literally over, the west is finished
Oh no, not the heckin tugboat. The west has surely fallen. How can we ever hope to compete with the mighty and prosperous peoples republic of china? I'M SO DEMORALIZED IM GOING INSANE
i bet the guy tilting it from the other end was NOT a certified forklift operator
Well since this is a shit thread, has anyone played limbus company?
GachaBlack folk should kill themselves. Played both LC and LoR but will never ever play Limbus
Can't fricking wait for the war with China. The /k/opening will be of epic proportions.
>already dropping R*ssia
Aw, come on little buddy they already legally control Bahkmut I'm sure if theu just stick with it America will collapse and you'll get your wheat fields and a sundress
>LCS
Just scrap the program for fricksake
They've committed to scrapping like a dozen of them.
The rest are still gonna be around for a little while at least though.
Noooooooooooooo the immediate catastrophic collapse of the Modern Roman Empire begins with this event how can anyone handle this GOD FRICKING DAMMIT KILL MUTTS GLOWING TRANNIES bot FEDS
>Marinette, WI
the likelihood of anyone being sober in this transaction is pretty low
lmao where did this happen?
This is China tier cringe. Stooping to that level reeks of desperation.
>Independence class
>0 results
>Freedom class
>0 results
>endless b***hing about how bad "the LCS" is
Y'all are complete idiots. Learn to differentiate between ship classes
Hint: One if them is the source of all the problems.
Super hint: Its the one they stopped production of and relegated to home waters and patrolling south america looking for drug smugglers.
>Wisconsin
probably drunk
>negative thread about american military followed by a dozen "oh no were so useless" posts
>64 posts, 46 users
thread IDs when
I don't really understand the point you are trying to make. Would you care to spell it out for me?
>not the first post from this IP
no.
Well, I genuinely was interested.
I it changes you mind at all this was my first post
oh, in that case
just meant that /k/ is constantly overrun by shitskin shills that brigade threads like this to demoralize people. Thread IDs would help spot samegays
I honestly think its people trolling just because they know it gets others riled up and cheap (you)s.
But yeah, IDs would be nice.
Or it's also actual informed Americans discussing real issues affecting our ability to fight a naval war against China. Anyone dismissing China out of hand is stuck in the '80s. Technologically we're still ahead, but it's a much narrower lead than it used to be and unlike us, China has the strategic depth necessary to outlast in a war of attrition. More ships, more shipyards, and faster construction times. If you want to fix a problem, first you have to admit it exists. Then you can identify the causes and start coming up with solutions.
>Technologically we're still ahead,
Technologically America is ahead in submarines but behind in DDGs and long range missiles. Seriously behind in long range missiles.
You chinks are currently showing off tech stolen from 40+ year old US miltech, stop huffing your own cope fumes holy shit. The US bombed Iraq with planes that flew out of the mainland USA lmao
>Ben doesn't even bother drawing the satellite right
Yeah, he really is getting worse over time.
It was the last side launch Marinette is doing, they had to end it with a bang.
Too much pup play on the bridge, they werent paying attention, could happen to any navy really, watch the vatniks come in a seethe about this
USN is looking to move 6 of the oldest LCSs (4 Freedom, 2 Indi) to Foreign Sales Inactive.
Restart the Ukraine Navy?
Eh, it really isn't as big a deal as the clickbait makes it out to be