I remember a thread 6 months ago.that used similar footage. Do we know if this thing is even real or if it's just a larp. Reminds me of a mech warrior overlay rly.
wtf looks like bullet drop to ground in 3 meters?
what is this? exactly ? what model?
It's a dude's project for airsoft/toy guns
Source: https://twitter.com/EXCEL__
I remember a thread 6 months ago.that used similar footage. Do we know if this thing is even real or if it's just a larp. Reminds me of a mech warrior overlay rly.
did you not actually watch it?
[...]
he said they suck and aren't good lol
(thank god he did, i don't want people getting into roller guns like me)
So let's see him do the same with AK's - you can do far more autistic modifications to them than HK knockoffs which is basically his whole shindig. >"this grip is half an inch too far forward and interferces with my sling mount and the light switch gives me blisters and..."
He could fix all kinds of problems he makes content out of with the countless mods developed over decades for the platform.
I did - yet despite that he just kept tweaking them. He likes a good challenge and I think an AK mini series would serve him well, even if he says hates it just like the HKs (which he says he'll sell and doesn't).
further evidence that youtubers are not to be trusted.
anyone who knows anything about guns knows the AK is a superior design.
if you can't tell why the AK is better by just looking at this picture, you're too stupid to own guns.
You can keep an AR running indefinitely just spraying lube into the BCG without ever taking it apart, but for the rest of us, taking an AR's BCG down that far is a normal enough part of maintenance that people have developed superstitions about the importance of always putting the cam pin back in the same way, whereas taking the AK down further than the picture shows is so uncommon that I've never actually seen a demonstration of how to remove the firing pin from its bolt.
That doesn't make either better than the other—it just means that Stoner and Kalashikov had different priorites that led them to make different compromises when they were designing their rifles.
>bigger, indestructible bolt and extractor >simpler field strip >less tiny parts total >superior cam track prevents early engagement of bolt >SIMPLE
you can tell stoner was an aerospace engineer first and a gun designer second
>simpler field strip
I swear to God I'm not defending the AR—not on purpose, anyway—but how easy a rifle is to field strip—beyond a very basic "do you need tools y/N level—as a metric of quality is a meme. Disassembling the BCG on my AUG is just as "it's fine once you get used to it" as everything else on the gun but it *is* fine once you get used to it; I wouldn't want to take apart the BCG at night in a muddy trench but realistically you would never need to. The AK was designed to be easy to strip as deep as you'd ever reasonably need to because it was designed for malnourished, probably illiterate peasants overthrowing their bourgeois oppressors; the AR and other NATO rifles were designed for well-trained professional or semi-professional armies and requires a corresponding amount of mental engagement—neither is wrong or bad.
2 years ago
Anonymous
there is no benefit to requiring the removal of many tiny parts for basic maintenance.
it is lazy and creates an unnecessary parts loss hazard, as well as increasing cost and weakening all the parts involved. stoner was too dumb to do more with less.
it's inferior. at best you could say you don't care, but it is absolutely not equal or a matter of weighing benefits and drawbacks.
fundamentally, the reason the bolt carrier of the AR is so fricked up is because it was ripped from the johnson LMG which he pasted the internal piston system on to, overcomplicating it in the process. that's the only thing he actually came up with.
in the original johnson LMG, the cam pin was actually part of the bolt. stoner just fricked it up.
of course the johnson LMG had plenty of moronic tiny parts and an overly-involved disassembly process of its own.
2 years ago
Anonymous
That's wrong moron. The AK is much harder to field strip. You can accidentally drop and lose your fricking bolt just by removing the bcg. AK a shit design from a user serviceability standpoint.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>ARgay talking about how AKs have small easy to lose parts
Black person how are you accidentally rotating the bolt 180 degrees?
and how do you lose a piece of chromed steel bigger than your thumb? you have to TRY to frick that up.
meanwhile soldiers keep an entire spare BCG for their M4s because they know they'll lose parts if they ever have to clean it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>ignores every AK with an optic ever >unironically thinks soldiers carrying spare parts is a myth
dude just pack it in
>he carries a spare bolt and nothing else
I was a soldier. I would have gotten an article 15 if I had tried to replace the BCG in my rifle in the Army.
2 years ago
Anonymous
tanks for you're cervix
2 years ago
Anonymous
I'm sorry to hear that coked-up African children are better at basic gun maintenance than you. I hope you get better soon.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Damn you’re moronic if you can’t even field strip an AK without fricking up. Why are you field stripping an AK anyway? It’s not like you have to clean it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>ARgay talking about how AKs have small easy to lose parts
Black person how are you accidentally rotating the bolt 180 degrees?
and how do you lose a piece of chromed steel bigger than your thumb? you have to TRY to frick that up.
meanwhile soldiers keep an entire spare BCG for their M4s because they know they'll lose parts if they ever have to clean it.
So what both of you gays are saying is that the G3 is the superior rifle with respect to rifle maintenance?
2 years ago
Anonymous
we aren't agreeing to begin with dummy
2 years ago
Anonymous
AR and AK gays never agree. But their mutual b***hing makes all the battle rifle chads happy.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>disrespecting AR and AK battle rifles like that
2 years ago
Anonymous
>at best you could say you don't care
I don't care. Soldiers have been cleaning their M16s and M4s in all kinds of conditions for half a century and the fineness of the BCG field strip has never been a problem. It's a difference that makes no difference.
You're just making up dumb bullshit.
>within obvious and reasonable limits, skill is more important than gear >"You're just making up dumb bullshit."
okay moron
2 years ago
Anonymous
No amount of skill can overcome the other guy having an ACOG and your rifle being unable to mount decent optics. >while the AR feels like a second job that costs you money and you'll make all kinds of excuses to not shoot
This is dumb bullshit made up by a moron trying to justify dogshit gear.
>ARgay talking about how AKs have small easy to lose parts
Black person how are you accidentally rotating the bolt 180 degrees?
and how do you lose a piece of chromed steel bigger than your thumb? you have to TRY to frick that up.
meanwhile soldiers keep an entire spare BCG for their M4s because they know they'll lose parts if they ever have to clean it.
>makling up dumb bullshit still
lmao
2 years ago
Anonymous
>ignores every AK with an optic ever >unironically thinks soldiers carrying spare parts is a myth
dude just pack it in
2 years ago
Anonymous
every AK with an optic ever
Indeed I am, because every AK mounted optic sucks and every AK optics mount sucks.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>still just making shit up
you don't know anything about ARs or AKs dude just stop posting and educate yourself
2 years ago
Anonymous
Dogshit AK mounts are fine because I like the AK and will tolerate bullshit in order to keep shooting it, isn't a viable argument anon.
2 years ago
Anonymous
m8 we went over this, something isn't bad just because you say so.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Indeed. It's bad because it's less reliable, more expensive, harder to user service, less accurate, heavier, and has worse ergonomics.
>rifle is fine >but it's actually shit because I, personally, am not invested in it enough to make it work for me
Yes, let the hate flow through you—soon you will understand how I feel about the AR platform.
>I like the aesthetics so it's a good gun!
Not an argument.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>I like it, therefore I'm intrisically motivated to git gud with it, therefore it's a better rifle for me than one that's better on paper but that just gathers dust in my safe because I can't be bothered
Yes, that is an argument, and it's an argument that you've refused to engage with at all in favor of pretending that how easy a rifle is to accessorize or how easy a rifle is to disassemble for cleaning has anything to do with how useful it is to any particular end user.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>how easy a rifle is to accessorize or how easy a rifle is to disassemble for cleaning has anything to do with how useful it is to any particular end user.
Nah, that's just responding to AKtards that think bolts break in the field all the time. My argument is the AR is lighter, more reliable, cheaper, more accurate, and has vastly superior ergonomics and manual of arms.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>My argument is the AR is lighter, [...] cheaper, more accurate, and has vastly superior ergonomics and manual of arms.
And that's true, but my argument is that none of that matters if you buy your AR, shoot it once to zero your irons or optic, and then ignore it in favor of other guns that you actually give a shit about.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>My argument is the AR is lighter, more reliable, cheaper, more accurate, and has vastly superior ergonomics and manual of arms.
Literally none of that is true aside from ~maybe weight if you’re not using a quadrail AR.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>unreliable, expensive, hard to service, heavy, inaccurate, bad ergos
pulled straight out of your ass. your typical quad rail AR is heavier than a regular AK.
you get what you pay for with accuracy. get a galil ace if you think how fast you can flick a safety matters (it doesn't you dumbass gamer)
2 years ago
Anonymous
>This is dumb bullshit made up by a moron trying to justify dogshit gear.
This is my lived experience with my Glock and AR vs my Beretta and AUG. "It just works" is only a selling point if all you want is mere functionality.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Meanwhile if you want to improve your AK you get to use shitty chinesium garbage, admit it just works (poorly), or import overpriced slavshit garbage zenitco and have it seized by customs. Pretending one is a money pit and the other isn't is moronic.
2 years ago
Anonymous
If you just want a dot, light, and sling a gas tube rail is fine. If you want a magnified optic, you can use a side rail mount. If you want an MFAL and a white light and a day optic or passive NV aiming setup then yeah, you're on your own because you're the one guy with NODs and an AK.
Nobody said that running a rifle you actually like in a world set up for AR gays is easy, but you're the only one saying that it's effectively impossible.
2 years ago
Anonymous
AKs have siderails which in turn can mount anything that goes on Picatinny
AK cleaning kit literally comes with a punch to get the firing pin and extractor out moron. If you don't clean those in the field with any gun, then god help you.
2 years ago
Anonymous
the AK is still better in that regard because it has an indestructible fixed extractor
2 years ago
Anonymous
>AK cleaning kit literally comes with a punch to get the firing pin and extractor out moron.
Meanwhile training manuals tell you (implying you're a dumbfrick conscript) not to do that unless it's had enough rounds through it that it stops moving correctly.
In practice this means it's never fricked with.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Mine didn't. And neither was it taught to disassemble the bolt, I suspect that if someone had decided to do that they'd have gotten an earful. We sprayed oil inside the bolt and wiggled it to make sure the firing pin moves. Due to its flat shape any foreign objects trapped inside will simply fall out.
>AK >non captive parts, takes longer to disassemble and re-assemble >poorly manufactured, parts interchangeability even from the same manufacturer is uncommon, worse technology than US manufacturers in the 1800s >overbuilt parts rarely require replacement >costs significantly more than an AR of greater quality
AR >captive parts for quick disassembly and re-assembly >parts almost always interchange correctly >parts will break over the course of tens of thousands of rounds, replacements are abundant and cheap; AKgays couldn't afford to shoot this many rounds anyway, but will screech about battlefield vegas regardless
I'm not seeing it champ, care to explain your position?
>>non-captive parts
the only thing captive on an AR is the takedown pins, which the AK doesn't need in the first place because it uses the far simpler and more elegant method of holding the gun together with the oprod. >>poor quality
you get what you pay for like anything else, not that complicated >>i-it's actually good that the AR beats itself to death!
holy sour grapes
Then why do only goatfrickers and moronic slavs still use them?
>"it's so simple, a child could use it. and they do."
that makes it good dummy. how does it feel knowing a literal child has more combat experience than the average AR owner?
>>>i-it's actually good that the AR beats itself to death! >holy sour grapes >omg after 10,000 rounds I need to replace a $50 part, this is unbelievable!
kek
Also yes, it is a good thing. The AR bolt breaks because it has multiple small lugs. Those make the AR more accurate. It is not simply a failure with no benefit. Further, the vast majority of AR owners will never even possess enough ammo to break their gun.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>The AR bolt breaks because it has multiple small lugs. Those make the AR more accurate.
Actual precision rifles:
2 years ago
Anonymous
>actual precision rifles
Have better machining than slavshit.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Granted—what's the AR15's excuse?
2 years ago
Anonymous
so you admit you: >don't know why the AR has a 7 lug bolt >don't know what makes a gun accurate >are sour grapes
2 years ago
Anonymous
So you admit >the AK is a dogshit design >is so bad that Russia has spent the last 60 years copying the AR >still simp for a bad gun because it's cool in movies and videogames
2 years ago
Anonymous
>it's bad >why? >.....BECAUSE I SAID SO!
enjoy losing your retaining pin in the field after your bolt breaks.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>enjoy losing your retaining pin in the field after your bolt breaks.
This comment really puts into focus your lack of experience.
If your bolt breaks, losing the retaining pin doesn't really matter.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>he doesn't carry spare parts
this shows YOUR lack of experience
2 years ago
Anonymous
That's right. I don't. If my SR-15 that cost me less than a Russian AK would ever breaks, I'll be sure to let you know.
I'm sorry to hear that coked-up African children are better at basic gun maintenance than you. I hope you get better soon.
Coked up child soldiers don't do maintenance, and they don't kill anybody either. Otherwise Africa wouldn't have an overpopulation problem still. I'm glad you have a rolemodel you can emulate and reach the skill level of though, maybe if you study real hard you'll be at the level of an illiterate 10 year old African soon.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Africa has an overpopulation problem, but only inasmuch as the number of Africans living there is more that zero—the census numbers the UN cites in their doom-and-gloom population reports are based on totally unverifiable metrics like asking villagers how many people they know in the surrounding area, which naturally inflates estimates of rural populations in places like Africa and China. The idea that there will be one or two billion Africans in Africa by 2050 is preposterous, although if it gets Bill Gates to mass-sterilize them for the good of the planet I'm willing to pretend it's not.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>deliberately handicapoing yourself out of pride
hypercope
2 years ago
Anonymous
How am I handicapping myself exactly?
2 years ago
Anonymous
you don't carry spare parts for your gun. dumb as all hell. you'll regret it when you accidentally bump your hat holding all those tiny parts
Neither of those guns is shooting sub-MOA, the DD is. Definitely more reliable too. DDM4v7 can be had under $1500, neither of the others can. Everything I said was true, you just don't like it.
[...] >pulled straight out of your ass. your typical quad rail AR is heavier than a regular AK.
Not even true. Even a DDM4a1 with a heavy ass RIS II weighs less than a typical AK. Even if your argument was true, an AK with rails to bring it up to parity with an AR weighs even more still. >get what you pay for
And you get it at a better rate with an AR. >get a galil ace if you think how fast you can flick a safety matters (it doesn't you dumbass gamer)
I shoot rifles left handed so that pile of crap is even worse. How fast you actuate a safety does matter, mag reload matters even more. AR is faster for both.
[...]
All of it is true and comparing a quadrail AR to an AK with no rail is moronic cope only an AKgay could come up with. You're so used to the rifle sucking, you are always ready to come up with excuses for it.
i don't care what lucas buttplug told you, flat range drills are not gonna make a difference in a fight, that fact that you think they will is further proof of moronation.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>you don't carry spare parts for your gun.
Why would I? >flat range drills are not gonna make a difference in a fight
No matter what convoluted logic you try to pull, the AR-15 is faster to reload and that matters in a firefight.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>and that matters in a firefight.
[citation needed]
2 years ago
Anonymous
Every study of small arms effectiveness ever conducted has concluded volume of fire is the most important factor to determining hit probability. Therefore the higher rate of fire provided by a faster magazine change is very important. >b-but I don't like facts I like AK aesthetics!
That's fine
the convoluted logic is real life is not a fricking video game, you really have no goddamn clue. i bet you even own a micro rig.
my hand grenades and friends giving suppressive fire don't care about your reload speed. my IED doesn't care about your up drill.
congrats, you and your child soldier friends will be hunted like rats because I can afford night vision and you cannot.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Cite a study where the 1-second difference between mag-drop reloads on the AR vs AK was significant at a p-value of .05 or better. I'm sure that you're talking about studies comparing assault rifles against each other, and not comparing assault rifles to battle rifles, or bolt guns, or anything else that wouldn't be material to the present discussion.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>noo it doesn't count because, uh, I'm not even going to make an argument!
Very cool
Cite a study that demonstrates lower rate of fire and carrying more weight is superior 🙂
2 years ago
Anonymous
>it doesn't count because you made a bullshit claim that you can't back up
Yes. With all the confounding variables intrinsic in actual combat conditions, I have no reason to believe that how fast a soldier can change magazines (while hiding behind cover, while his squadmates are filling in any gaps in the volume of fire his magazine change might cause) matters at all, and you don't seem interested in chaging my mind by any means besides bare assertion.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>empirical data ends where my feelings begin
lmao
2 years ago
Anonymous
What empirical data? Can you even show me results from a 3 Gun match where someone's reload speed allowed them to edge out one of their competitors?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Literally ever combat study the US military has ever done. Did you forget what we're arguing about or are you a newcomer to the argument?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>All of these studies that are common knowledge, but are apparently classified or lost in the mists of time since you can't specifically reference a single one of them
2 years ago
Anonymous
>hit probability studies
do you even know what maneuver warfare is? or air support? you have no clue how war is fought stfu
this is besides the fact that reload speed doesn't mean dick for volume of fire. get a fricking belt fed you dipshit
2 years ago
Anonymous
the convoluted logic is real life is not a fricking video game, you really have no goddamn clue. i bet you even own a micro rig.
my hand grenades and friends giving suppressive fire don't care about your reload speed. my IED doesn't care about your up drill.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Tell us more about all the firefights you’ve won.
Every study of small arms effectiveness ever conducted has concluded volume of fire is the most important factor to determining hit probability. Therefore the higher rate of fire provided by a faster magazine change is very important. >b-but I don't like facts I like AK aesthetics!
That's fine
[...]
congrats, you and your child soldier friends will be hunted like rats because I can afford night vision and you cannot.
But I thought you said AKs were too expensive. Now you’re trying to deflect and brag about having night vision. Are you a poorgay or not?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>But I thought you said AKs were too expensive.
They are. They cost more than superior guns. That's bad. >Now you’re trying to deflect and brag about having night vision
Says the guy trying to deflect by pretending he has friends and explosives. >Are you a poorgay or not?
I dunno, I have an SR-15 and night vision, so by /k/ standards probably not. I just like getting value for my dollar. >Tell us more about all the firefights you’ve won.
ok, I shot at some guys 400m away and they died. I didn't. M4a1 confirmed good gun, AKM confirmed dogshit.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>noo it doesn't count because, uh, I'm not even going to make an argument!
Very cool
Cite a study that demonstrates lower rate of fire and carrying more weight is superior 🙂
If you really believed what you said, you would sell your SR-15 and buy an AUG. It’s lighter, cheaper, and just as accurate. :^)
2 years ago
Anonymous
It's accurate enough - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSX9UN8RTjo - and it feels lighter because it has a superior weight distribution (despite being over a pound heavier), but at least you're right about it being less expensive.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I like the AUG but the trigger wall is atrocious
2 years ago
Anonymous
It doesn't make you think "Damn, that's a nice trigger" while you're dry-firing, but it doesn't get in the way when you're actually shooting so I don't care.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Have you done anything to it? I shot one with the sear yesterday, wall was bad. Still managed to make a 1moa group but it was way more difficult to maintain a straight trigger pull through the wall compared to something like an mbt2s
2 years ago
Anonymous
>wall was bad
2 years ago
Anonymous
No, I just accept that it's about as good as a really good Nerf gun trigger and try to git as gud with it as possible.
2 years ago
Anonymous
https://i.imgur.com/z7D6g2I.png
>wall was bad
To be fair, there's no reason for the AUG's trigger to be bad; the 1911's trigger works the same way and everyone loves those.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Aftermarket metal triggers improves it to such a degree it baffles me that Steyr even offers the gun without such an upgrade as standard.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Steyr are a bunch of morons living in the past.
European companies in general just hate money.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Steyr is damn near as irrelevant as Saab.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Have you been asleep the last couple of months? SAAB is doing just fine. Russia is currently running the best advertisement campaign they could dream of, for free.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>lighter
It is not. >cheaper
It's pretty much the same as I paid for my SR-15 >just as accurate
Not with that trigger it's not
I'm also just not a fan of bullpup ergonomics, and shoot wrong-handed. I'd have to pay more to get left-handed parts, and then nobody else I know would be able to use the gun. Not really interested at all. Nicer than an AK though!
2 years ago
Anonymous
>I'd have to pay more to get left-handed parts, and then nobody else I know would be able to use the gun.
case deflector's like $125, less than the cost of getting the version that takes AR mags
2 years ago
Anonymous
Meanwhile if you want to improve your AK you get to use shitty chinesium garbage, admit it just works (poorly), or import overpriced slavshit garbage zenitco and have it seized by customs. Pretending one is a money pit and the other isn't is moronic.
Poor zoomies missed the boat on cheap imports and think that means the AK itself is bad. No sweatie you’re just late to the party.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I got the cheap imports though. I sold them because none of them did anything better than a WASR but AKtards will pay $2k for the same gun with a different stamp on it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yep and ARtards will pay $2k for the same gun with a different rollmark. We’re not so different, you and I.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>he carries a spare bolt and nothing else
2 years ago
Anonymous
>it's ok to lose parts, i did it on purpose!
how about we just get a better gun AND spare parts? wouldn't that be nice?
the spare is there for an emergency, it's not meant to be something used with any frequency. you should not EXPECT to need it.
I suspect that the only people who hate AKs are zoomers and other Johnny-come-latelys who were priced out of them thanks to Obongo’s sanctions. That’s how you get nonsensical posts like this: . I don’t know how old Hop is, but most of the big guntubers who have been around since 2010 or earlier like Hickok45 and IraqVeteran1488 love AKs. I think most people who claim to hate them have either never shot them, or they overpaid for piece of shit WASRs. Only someone who is comparing the price of a WASR or ZPAP to an absolute bottom-tier AR like PSA would think that AKs are more expensive than ARs. By the way, it’s not 2012 anymore. AKs can be modernized with optics, railz, gucci triggers, etc. just fine. People who claim that AKs are unergonomic are morons, since they have giant controls that literal children with undeveloped fingers can operate. AK haters are just a bunch of sour grapes gays.
I love AKs. They're just shit guns, objectively. They're also at shitty prices now. My $500 wasr is fine. The same gun at ~$1000 is insane.
Granted—what's the AR15's excuse?
The AR doesn't need excuses, on account of being good.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>WASR owner >thinks AKs are shit guns
Like pottery. Thinking that Romyshit is the standard measure for AKs is like thinking that PSA is the standard for ARs. Compare an $1800 AK to an $1800 AR, and the perceived differences in quality and craftmanship magically disappear.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Compare an $1800 AK to an $1800 AR, and the perceived differences in quality and craftmanship magically disappear.
I've done so. My Arsenal was worse than my WASR, thus I sold it. My SR-15 shits on both. So I kept the cheap blaster, because the one and only thing AKs are good for is fun. Compare an $1800 AR to a $1800 AK and the AR wins. Compare a $1000 AR to a $1000 AK and the AR wins. Compare a $600 AR to...well there aren't any $600 AKs anymore.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>my $3k SR-15 is better than a WASR or SGL >therefore AKs are shit
kek ARgays are funny. Compare a DDM4V7 to something like a Galil ACE or SAM7SF if you want to be fair. Any modern rifle that retails in the $1600-$1800 range or higher is going to be fine. It’s just a matter of personal preference. I don’t own an SR-15, but I own an LMT New Zealand, and I wouldn’t say it’s miles ahead of any other modern rifle I own. After a certain point you, are just paying for the brand’s reputation and quality control. The machining on the LMT is great, but it’s also great on the IWI ACE. If you prefer to shoot ARs, then that’s fine, but your preference doesn’t mean that AKs or other designs are inherently bad.
2 years ago
Anonymous
No anon, my SR-15 cost me about $1800 and is superior to every $1800-2000 AK I've shot. >DDM4V7 to something like a Galil ACE or SAM7S
Ok, the DDM4v7 is better. It's more reliable, accurate, lighter, and costs less. Done.
If you just want a dot, light, and sling a gas tube rail is fine. If you want a magnified optic, you can use a side rail mount. If you want an MFAL and a white light and a day optic or passive NV aiming setup then yeah, you're on your own because you're the one guy with NODs and an AK.
Nobody said that running a rifle you actually like in a world set up for AR gays is easy, but you're the only one saying that it's effectively impossible.
>rifle is worse >but it's not actually worse!
anon pls
2 years ago
Anonymous
>rifle is fine >but it's actually shit because I, personally, am not invested in it enough to make it work for me
Yes, let the hate flow through you—soon you will understand how I feel about the AR platform.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Ok, the DDM4v7 is better. It's more reliable, accurate, lighter, and costs less. Done.
Lighter, yes. Everything else, no.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Neither of those guns is shooting sub-MOA, the DD is. Definitely more reliable too. DDM4v7 can be had under $1500, neither of the others can. Everything I said was true, you just don't like it.
>unreliable, expensive, hard to service, heavy, inaccurate, bad ergos
pulled straight out of your ass. your typical quad rail AR is heavier than a regular AK.
you get what you pay for with accuracy. get a galil ace if you think how fast you can flick a safety matters (it doesn't you dumbass gamer)
>pulled straight out of your ass. your typical quad rail AR is heavier than a regular AK.
Not even true. Even a DDM4a1 with a heavy ass RIS II weighs less than a typical AK. Even if your argument was true, an AK with rails to bring it up to parity with an AR weighs even more still. >get what you pay for
And you get it at a better rate with an AR. >get a galil ace if you think how fast you can flick a safety matters (it doesn't you dumbass gamer)
I shoot rifles left handed so that pile of crap is even worse. How fast you actuate a safety does matter, mag reload matters even more. AR is faster for both.
https://i.imgur.com/wk8RqOU.png
>My argument is the AR is lighter, more reliable, cheaper, more accurate, and has vastly superior ergonomics and manual of arms.
Literally none of that is true aside from ~maybe weight if you’re not using a quadrail AR.
All of it is true and comparing a quadrail AR to an AK with no rail is moronic cope only an AKgay could come up with. You're so used to the rifle sucking, you are always ready to come up with excuses for it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
DDM4V7 and Galil ACE can both be had for about $1700 right now according to gun.deals, so at the end of the day you are getting high and mighty over the roughly 2 lbs of weight advantage and maybe 1moa accuracy the AR has over the AK. They are about equal in every other respect.
2 years ago
Anonymous
https://www.familyfirearms.com/product/daniel-defense-ddm4-v7-5.56-nato-16-301-black-hard-coat-anodized-6-position-wsofttouch-overmolding-stock
$1469.99 after adding to cart 🙂 >2 lbs and 1 MOA
Those are both massive advantages.
I have an SGL-21 got it for $700 when Arsenal first started importing them. A $700 AR at the time was a better buy by a wide margin. Now it's a no brainer.
I like shooting the AK because it's honestly satisfying to shoot and people always have fun with it. The metal on metal clacking, the look of it, etc.
But I do believe a modern AR is better than a modern AK. I feel like a well built AK is still only worth $500 today, but at that price you can only get dogshit quality. Meanwhile a $500 AR from PSA would be better.
Like having a given a budget, as a civilian, within the the US, to get one SHTF gun you'd be a moron getting an AK. If you have money to blow on a frick around gun an AK is fine.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Like having a given a budget, as a civilian, within the the US, to get one SHTF gun you'd be a moron getting an AK.
Getting an AR when you want an AK, and the AK is a rifle you'll consistently practice with and achieve and maintain a high level of proficiency with, while the AR feels like a second job that costs you money and you'll make all kinds of excuses to not shoot—now that's moronic. There just isn't that much difference between the two platforms for it to matter as much as you seem to think it does.
Im 21 and think both platforms have their value. If anything I think the best kind of ak you could get is one in 5.56 or (If you could still fricking get it) 5.45. 7.62x39 is fine but it's out paced by the other two calibers.
Modernize your AK all you won't, it won't be as accurate, low-recoiling or as ergonomic as an AR. Seethe.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Milspec AK74 and M4 basically have the same MOA if you want to actually have apples-apples comparisons. And not really, the aftermarket has fixed virtually all recoil and ergo problems with the AK platform. At the end of the day, people just like AR's because they' can be cheaper and not as front weight biased.
2 years ago
Anonymous
LOLOL hell no, they ain't the same MOA. AR15s can do sub moa, AKs can only dream of 5 MOA.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>can do
More like can cope amirite. The milspec for an M4 is literally 4 MOA. Which AK are you talking about? You are clearly in expert them, so please go on.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>The milspec for an M4 is literally 4 MOA
This doesn't mean what you think it means. That's not mechanical accuracy, that's an extremely loose performance parameter. If it manages to be 4 MOA, or under, it passes. This does not mean 4 MOA is all it is capable of.
2 years ago
Anonymous
you have to be 18 to post here nogunz
2 years ago
Anonymous
You are so deluded it's genuinely funny.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>the aftermarket has fixed virtually all recoil and ergo problems with the AK platform
No, and I say this as someone with three AKs. What aftermarket gives the AK an AR's capability to drop a mag with just a finger-pressed button that doesn't require any hand movement? What aftermarket has the AK's safety within reach of your thumb and can be actuated without, again, removing your hand?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>thinking these things matter
yes you can get extended mag releases, different styles of safety, or other minor quality of life modifications. but if you think that matters in war you're a dumbass
2 years ago
Anonymous
>AK aftermarket has eliminated all ergonomic issues it had >So it fixed these issues? >Those don't matter.
Black person.
2 years ago
Anonymous
i just fricking said it did. but it's a non-issue in the firstplace you b***h
2 years ago
Anonymous
>i just fricking said it did.
You're moronic, extending the paddle release doesn't turn it into a finger-actuated button, and it's mechanically impossible to turn a standard AK safety into anything resembling an AR one. > it's a non-issue in the firstplace you b***h
You're moronic.
2 years ago
Anonymous
hit the paddle with your trigger finger dumbass.
real life is not a video game, taking an extra second to reload won't get you killed. that's what cover fire is for
2 years ago
Anonymous
>real life is not a video game >that's what cover fire is for
lmfao
2 years ago
Anonymous
>i have been consistently proven wrong >i am out of my depth >time to hit em with the LMFAO
2 years ago
Anonymous
NTA but that safety is moronic, you can only flick it to safe from fire with your thumb and it's something of a joke to VEPR owners
2 years ago
Anonymous
>hit the paddle with your trigger finger dumbass.
For the third time, you are moronic. You are not exerting enough force to drop the mag with just your trigger finger, you have to move your hand, grip the mag, depress the paddle with your thumb, and then pull the mag out. Have you ever used an AK before? >real life is not a video game, taking an extra second to reload won't get you killed.
You're just coping now, you made a bullshit claim, you got called out and now you're saying any deficiencies don't matter and acting like you have a squad on backup. have a nice day.
2 years ago
Anonymous
you can just say you don't know what you're talking about and leave it at that.
if you're relying on speed reloads you will die.
you have no fricking idea what you're doing. sell your guns and save yourself the trouble
2 years ago
Anonymous
>USE AN EXTENDED PADDLE RELEASE >That's not a finger-actuated button that also drops the mag >JUST PUSH IT WITH YOUR FINGER >You can't get the force needed to push with just your finger and you still have to grip the mag to remove it >*posts pic of a different Black person-rigged cope that still doesn't allow the mag to drop free*
I wonder if you even own guns at this point.
You don't own an AK. Stop posting.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>>say use an extended mag release with finger >>post extended mag release being used with finger >"UM AKSHUALLY UR DUMB LMAO"
dude what is your damage
2 years ago
Anonymous
You're moronic and you don't own an AK.
2 years ago
Anonymous
you're a whiney gamer who thinks everything is about 1R1 drills. you think a 40mm grenade cares about how fast you can shoot from low ready? stop watching lucas buttplug videos
2 years ago
Anonymous
I'm a guy who actually owns AKs and knows what he's talking about and not some underaged commieboo moron with delusions because he watched Lord of War too many times. Suck on it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
no you don't. in any case solutions to your problems exist and are well known, get a fricking krebs safety and mag release instead of b***hing
2 years ago
MilSurpDude
Tell me you're not commenting on shit you don't actually own anon, that'd be embarrassing.
2 years ago
MilSurpDude
LMFAO do not post that shit if you're wanting to use an example of an ambi AK safety, holy shit is that garbage. Literally just pretend the left side doesn't exist and stick with the regular right lever.
2 years ago
MilSurpDude
> At the end of the day, people just like AR's because they' can be cheaper and not as front weight biased.
This thread is amazing.
2 years ago
Anonymous
If you're an AK proponent in this day and age you have to be on some serious copium
2 years ago
MilSurpDude
It's honestly breathtaking. Just look at it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I'll buy it from you, $500 yeah?
2 years ago
MilSurpDude
Funny that's about what I paid for it 8 years ago when PSA was clearing them out. Every time I want a laugh I looks for much they're selling for now.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Goddamn, dont remind me
I got into guns a month or so after that sale ended
2 years ago
Anonymous
Well I own both and I like both. Simple as. You dont own any guns
2 years ago
Anonymous
he's an AR gay who only owns other rifles ironically
ignore him
2 years ago
Anonymous
Anyone who is so pedantic, egocentric and criticizes like that does not own any guns whatsoever. Many such cases
2 years ago
MilSurpDude
It's funny because I owned AKs for years before I even got my first AR.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I used to own a NO4. It wasn't bad, but finding ammo fir it was like trying to find Atlantis, and when you did, it like 50 cal prices
2 years ago
MilSurpDude
It's awful now if you're not wanting to pay for SP hunting rounds. I shot it for the first time in a decade a couple weeks ago and I only have ten rounds of PPU FMJ left.
>I suspect that the only people who hate AKs are zoomers and other Johnny-come-latelys who were priced out of them thanks to Obongo’s sanctions. >AK haters are just a bunch of sour grapes gays.
Nah. I just recognize the shortcoming in comparison to the AR.
I don't hate AKs, I collect them because I think they're sexy as frick.
I also acknowledge they're profoundly inferior to modern ARs, practically speaking.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>filename
Post your own
2 years ago
Anonymous
>nooo you can't repost pics of your guns that you already posted on 4chongs nooooo
What a weird hill to die on.
I like AK's but they suffer from not keeping up with the times. There's no reason they shouldn't have figured out a better more modern and easier way to assemble them like AR15's. There's no reason they should be pressed together.
Being pressed together is a high volume requirement. You plain just don't see guns made this way anymore because armies don't need new guns cranked out by the hundreds every day.
Truthfully, I think milled AK's make more sense for the civilian market: the volumes are lower and they reduce the BOM size since you technically can mill the trunions in the receiver. The price of them today is inflated by perception and precedent, but really they're the cheaper way to make firearms if you don't have the tooling for stamped guns.
The amount of reciprocating mass in a gun is generally determined by reliability concerns. The reason all militaries aren't running competition bolt carriers etc. is that they want their guns to run reliably, some more reliably than others.
Diy scope with ballistic computer for airsoft, made by some jap guy.
Funny thing, he made a batch of these and wanted to sell them, but backed off when Shinzo Abe was killed
Reminds me of that asiatic that mad a hologram sight by spinning a few LED’s really fast and timing on/off cycle to minimize the bleed and so it can actually look like floating orbs of light.
you can clearly see its calculating the path for 3 seconds of flight for whatever type of round its set for. the one projected seems entirely reasonable
Everything about this screems fake
I know from seeing a few fakes in my time.
Way to fine and sharp a display.
Anyone that has used a HUD would know this.
Worst of it is the drop line.
A grenade launcher would not have that much drop AND it simply would not give any left right sway AAND the sway it is giving is in the wrong direction AAAND the sway is too much for the subtle movements made
Best you could do would be to use a distance laser and give an estimated drop. A completely useless feature under 400 yards for a bullet and so would never be put on an optic that didn’t have magnification
The beautiful thing about that skinny man child Hop is that everyone who references his ignorant opinions and shit takes outs themselves as inexperienced zoomer morons for the rest of us. You love to hate that twink for that.
Because like 1/3 of their R&D department are veterans who know what the DoD needs because they saw the gaps in their service. SIG is dragging the industry forward from people like COLT who rode their contracts so hard that they drove their company into the ground instead of innovating while still on top.
Lighter, more accurate, more modular design, swappable to different calibers, people will want to use it instead of leaving it in the arms room.
2 years ago
Anonymous
So it's a battle rifle developed by a favored contractor, adopted under questionable pretenses, designed in the year of our Lord 2019? 21st Century–M14.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>So it's a battle rifle developed by a favored contractor
SIG was literally the least favored to win the NGSW, lmao. What the frick is this cope?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>the company that's won basically every nu-Army contract, one right ater another, isn't "favored"
Ron Cohen cries out in pain as he strikes you.
I liked the part where the 12-year-old girl reassured us multiple times that she didn't have any CQB training. Nothing suspiciously specific or weird about that at all.
She's reading a teleprompter screen.
Kid looks fine, she's not being weird with the CQB training, she's just saying she's not an expert.
Fathers the one doing the arm flapping.
Chill the frick out not everything is pedo shit. If I as the father I'd get her at least wearing less revealing clothes, but whatever kids wear this shit.
So you're telling me if you had a daughter you'd be okay with doing this? Putting her online in little skimpy clothing knowing damn well what the target audience is?
They offer the most comprehensive package on the market to LEO/govs >Sig ammo >Sig suppressor >Sig optics >Sig holster >Sig rifle >sig pistol
The only things they dont make are a light or infrared laser to my knowledge in terms of common AR Larperator add-ons. Who else has that level of vertical integration? Beretta, maybe? S&W? But S&W and Beretta lost the pistol trial, S&W didnt even participate in the rifle trial, and Beretta was loosely involved in 1 of them. And they lost to the Spear anyway
How much does that vertical integration actually matter to a buyer that's never going to interact with their customer service depatment? Other than kickbacks from ~~*Ron Cohen*~~, what does the military get from buying all their shit from one company?
Well seeing as Sig sold their p320 for $210 a pop or something I imagine they can cut down cost especially on their own home brand holsters and accessories. Easy to deal with 1 supplier and not 10
How much does that vertical integration actually matter to a buyer that's never going to interact with their customer service depatment? Other than kickbacks from ~~*Ron Cohen*~~, what does the military get from buying all their shit from one company?
tax tax tax
since pretty much everything is state side, much tax goes straight back to the big G, you also employ Americans while stimulating the economy at the same time
Some 34-38 year old guy that manages to seem like a zoomer male and a PNW Lesbian all at the same time. He is loosely associated with this place and basically should be ignored.
Here’s how the majority of the red dot market works. There are about a dozen chinese electro optics companies. One comes up with a design. They approach american optics companies to see if they want to market it for them. If the American company thinks they can sell it they do one of two things. They buy it and sell it in the US or they buy the components and assemble it in the US and then sell it. Many companies essentially sell the same optic from the same chinese company.
Hop needs to make videos at a higher tempo. Right now he's getting owned by Brass Facts because that guy is putting out videos consistently, which the algorithm likes.
Brass is alright but he's not putting out the kind of videos that I enjoy watching like the way Hop does. As much as I dislike Hop, he's very clear cut and well spoken which is a fricking rare trait in the gun circles.
Brass is alright but he's not putting out the kind of videos that I enjoy watching like the way Hop does. As much as I dislike Hop, he's very clear cut and well spoken which is a fricking rare trait in the gun circles.
Hop is the best guntuber lesbian and Brass is a gay; Brassgays. They deserve each other
>Eotech gays btfo!
It's not even in the same category as EOTech, it's not a holographic site. Just because an optic has a square-ish housing doesn't make it an EOTech competitor.
what kind of display array is this?
It's a dude's project for airsoft/toy guns
Source: https://twitter.com/EXCEL__
>airshit
frick, does that mean these things will shatter on real funs?
I remember a thread 6 months ago.that used similar footage. Do we know if this thing is even real or if it's just a larp. Reminds me of a mech warrior overlay rly.
it's not a secret bro
Very impressive. I knew someone would do that shot geotagging thing soon.
thats just insane
>Military is replacing 20+ year old optics
Wow
I hate hop so much its unreal
hop is based he shits on akgays
he's my dude, the only gun youtuber person i can stand to watch
he's /our troony/
>"I hate AK's - they're outdated trash!!"
>mods rollerdelay clones for multiple episodes
What did he mean by this
And the conclusion he came to was the PTR sucks too.
everything sucks except for muh gunbuilder legos gun
larpers should not be taken seriously
well anon there's a reason every single new gun is an AR-18 variant or an AR-15 variant. It's because Stoner had the right idea.
So let's see him do the same with AK's - you can do far more autistic modifications to them than HK knockoffs which is basically his whole shindig.
>"this grip is half an inch too far forward and interferces with my sling mount and the light switch gives me blisters and..."
He could fix all kinds of problems he makes content out of with the countless mods developed over decades for the platform.
He said they suck to modernize into post cold war fighting rifles. They're fine weapons, just not fit for the modern battlefield.
did you not actually watch it?
he said they suck and aren't good lol
(thank god he did, i don't want people getting into roller guns like me)
I did - yet despite that he just kept tweaking them. He likes a good challenge and I think an AK mini series would serve him well, even if he says hates it just like the HKs (which he says he'll sell and doesn't).
>hop said
He should go back to reviewing shovelware games.
further evidence that youtubers are not to be trusted.
anyone who knows anything about guns knows the AK is a superior design.
if you can't tell why the AK is better by just looking at this picture, you're too stupid to own guns.
>AK recoil spring is 3 parts
>AK bolt is 6 parts
>AK BCG is 3 parts
That picture is a little disingenuous and you know it.
You can keep an AR running indefinitely just spraying lube into the BCG without ever taking it apart, but for the rest of us, taking an AR's BCG down that far is a normal enough part of maintenance that people have developed superstitions about the importance of always putting the cam pin back in the same way, whereas taking the AK down further than the picture shows is so uncommon that I've never actually seen a demonstration of how to remove the firing pin from its bolt.
That doesn't make either better than the other—it just means that Stoner and Kalashikov had different priorites that led them to make different compromises when they were designing their rifles.
Someone with a brain on /k/? That’s rare.
>bigger, indestructible bolt and extractor
>simpler field strip
>less tiny parts total
>superior cam track prevents early engagement of bolt
>SIMPLE
you can tell stoner was an aerospace engineer first and a gun designer second
>simpler field strip
I swear to God I'm not defending the AR—not on purpose, anyway—but how easy a rifle is to field strip—beyond a very basic "do you need tools y/N level—as a metric of quality is a meme. Disassembling the BCG on my AUG is just as "it's fine once you get used to it" as everything else on the gun but it *is* fine once you get used to it; I wouldn't want to take apart the BCG at night in a muddy trench but realistically you would never need to. The AK was designed to be easy to strip as deep as you'd ever reasonably need to because it was designed for malnourished, probably illiterate peasants overthrowing their bourgeois oppressors; the AR and other NATO rifles were designed for well-trained professional or semi-professional armies and requires a corresponding amount of mental engagement—neither is wrong or bad.
there is no benefit to requiring the removal of many tiny parts for basic maintenance.
it is lazy and creates an unnecessary parts loss hazard, as well as increasing cost and weakening all the parts involved. stoner was too dumb to do more with less.
it's inferior. at best you could say you don't care, but it is absolutely not equal or a matter of weighing benefits and drawbacks.
fundamentally, the reason the bolt carrier of the AR is so fricked up is because it was ripped from the johnson LMG which he pasted the internal piston system on to, overcomplicating it in the process. that's the only thing he actually came up with.
in the original johnson LMG, the cam pin was actually part of the bolt. stoner just fricked it up.
of course the johnson LMG had plenty of moronic tiny parts and an overly-involved disassembly process of its own.
That's wrong moron. The AK is much harder to field strip. You can accidentally drop and lose your fricking bolt just by removing the bcg. AK a shit design from a user serviceability standpoint.
>ARgay talking about how AKs have small easy to lose parts
Black person how are you accidentally rotating the bolt 180 degrees?
and how do you lose a piece of chromed steel bigger than your thumb? you have to TRY to frick that up.
meanwhile soldiers keep an entire spare BCG for their M4s because they know they'll lose parts if they ever have to clean it.
I was a soldier. I would have gotten an article 15 if I had tried to replace the BCG in my rifle in the Army.
tanks for you're cervix
I'm sorry to hear that coked-up African children are better at basic gun maintenance than you. I hope you get better soon.
Damn you’re moronic if you can’t even field strip an AK without fricking up. Why are you field stripping an AK anyway? It’s not like you have to clean it.
So what both of you gays are saying is that the G3 is the superior rifle with respect to rifle maintenance?
we aren't agreeing to begin with dummy
AR and AK gays never agree. But their mutual b***hing makes all the battle rifle chads happy.
>disrespecting AR and AK battle rifles like that
>at best you could say you don't care
I don't care. Soldiers have been cleaning their M16s and M4s in all kinds of conditions for half a century and the fineness of the BCG field strip has never been a problem. It's a difference that makes no difference.
>within obvious and reasonable limits, skill is more important than gear
>"You're just making up dumb bullshit."
okay moron
No amount of skill can overcome the other guy having an ACOG and your rifle being unable to mount decent optics.
>while the AR feels like a second job that costs you money and you'll make all kinds of excuses to not shoot
This is dumb bullshit made up by a moron trying to justify dogshit gear.
>makling up dumb bullshit still
lmao
>ignores every AK with an optic ever
>unironically thinks soldiers carrying spare parts is a myth
dude just pack it in
every AK with an optic ever
Indeed I am, because every AK mounted optic sucks and every AK optics mount sucks.
>still just making shit up
you don't know anything about ARs or AKs dude just stop posting and educate yourself
Dogshit AK mounts are fine because I like the AK and will tolerate bullshit in order to keep shooting it, isn't a viable argument anon.
m8 we went over this, something isn't bad just because you say so.
Indeed. It's bad because it's less reliable, more expensive, harder to user service, less accurate, heavier, and has worse ergonomics.
>I like the aesthetics so it's a good gun!
Not an argument.
>I like it, therefore I'm intrisically motivated to git gud with it, therefore it's a better rifle for me than one that's better on paper but that just gathers dust in my safe because I can't be bothered
Yes, that is an argument, and it's an argument that you've refused to engage with at all in favor of pretending that how easy a rifle is to accessorize or how easy a rifle is to disassemble for cleaning has anything to do with how useful it is to any particular end user.
>how easy a rifle is to accessorize or how easy a rifle is to disassemble for cleaning has anything to do with how useful it is to any particular end user.
Nah, that's just responding to AKtards that think bolts break in the field all the time. My argument is the AR is lighter, more reliable, cheaper, more accurate, and has vastly superior ergonomics and manual of arms.
>My argument is the AR is lighter, [...] cheaper, more accurate, and has vastly superior ergonomics and manual of arms.
And that's true, but my argument is that none of that matters if you buy your AR, shoot it once to zero your irons or optic, and then ignore it in favor of other guns that you actually give a shit about.
>My argument is the AR is lighter, more reliable, cheaper, more accurate, and has vastly superior ergonomics and manual of arms.
Literally none of that is true aside from ~maybe weight if you’re not using a quadrail AR.
>unreliable, expensive, hard to service, heavy, inaccurate, bad ergos
pulled straight out of your ass. your typical quad rail AR is heavier than a regular AK.
you get what you pay for with accuracy. get a galil ace if you think how fast you can flick a safety matters (it doesn't you dumbass gamer)
>This is dumb bullshit made up by a moron trying to justify dogshit gear.
This is my lived experience with my Glock and AR vs my Beretta and AUG. "It just works" is only a selling point if all you want is mere functionality.
Meanwhile if you want to improve your AK you get to use shitty chinesium garbage, admit it just works (poorly), or import overpriced slavshit garbage zenitco and have it seized by customs. Pretending one is a money pit and the other isn't is moronic.
If you just want a dot, light, and sling a gas tube rail is fine. If you want a magnified optic, you can use a side rail mount. If you want an MFAL and a white light and a day optic or passive NV aiming setup then yeah, you're on your own because you're the one guy with NODs and an AK.
Nobody said that running a rifle you actually like in a world set up for AR gays is easy, but you're the only one saying that it's effectively impossible.
AKs have siderails which in turn can mount anything that goes on Picatinny
That picture shows disassembly to the level of average field strip for both guns dipshit.
AK cleaning kit literally comes with a punch to get the firing pin and extractor out moron. If you don't clean those in the field with any gun, then god help you.
the AK is still better in that regard because it has an indestructible fixed extractor
>AK cleaning kit literally comes with a punch to get the firing pin and extractor out moron.
Meanwhile training manuals tell you (implying you're a dumbfrick conscript) not to do that unless it's had enough rounds through it that it stops moving correctly.
In practice this means it's never fricked with.
Mine didn't. And neither was it taught to disassemble the bolt, I suspect that if someone had decided to do that they'd have gotten an earful. We sprayed oil inside the bolt and wiggled it to make sure the firing pin moves. Due to its flat shape any foreign objects trapped inside will simply fall out.
>AK
>non captive parts, takes longer to disassemble and re-assemble
>poorly manufactured, parts interchangeability even from the same manufacturer is uncommon, worse technology than US manufacturers in the 1800s
>overbuilt parts rarely require replacement
>costs significantly more than an AR of greater quality
AR
>captive parts for quick disassembly and re-assembly
>parts almost always interchange correctly
>parts will break over the course of tens of thousands of rounds, replacements are abundant and cheap; AKgays couldn't afford to shoot this many rounds anyway, but will screech about battlefield vegas regardless
I'm not seeing it champ, care to explain your position?
>>non-captive parts
the only thing captive on an AR is the takedown pins, which the AK doesn't need in the first place because it uses the far simpler and more elegant method of holding the gun together with the oprod.
>>poor quality
you get what you pay for like anything else, not that complicated
>>i-it's actually good that the AR beats itself to death!
holy sour grapes
>"it's so simple, a child could use it. and they do."
that makes it good dummy. how does it feel knowing a literal child has more combat experience than the average AR owner?
>>>i-it's actually good that the AR beats itself to death!
>holy sour grapes
>omg after 10,000 rounds I need to replace a $50 part, this is unbelievable!
kek
Also yes, it is a good thing. The AR bolt breaks because it has multiple small lugs. Those make the AR more accurate. It is not simply a failure with no benefit. Further, the vast majority of AR owners will never even possess enough ammo to break their gun.
>The AR bolt breaks because it has multiple small lugs. Those make the AR more accurate.
Actual precision rifles:
>actual precision rifles
Have better machining than slavshit.
Granted—what's the AR15's excuse?
so you admit you:
>don't know why the AR has a 7 lug bolt
>don't know what makes a gun accurate
>are sour grapes
So you admit
>the AK is a dogshit design
>is so bad that Russia has spent the last 60 years copying the AR
>still simp for a bad gun because it's cool in movies and videogames
>it's bad
>why?
>.....BECAUSE I SAID SO!
enjoy losing your retaining pin in the field after your bolt breaks.
>enjoy losing your retaining pin in the field after your bolt breaks.
This comment really puts into focus your lack of experience.
If your bolt breaks, losing the retaining pin doesn't really matter.
>he doesn't carry spare parts
this shows YOUR lack of experience
That's right. I don't. If my SR-15 that cost me less than a Russian AK would ever breaks, I'll be sure to let you know.
Coked up child soldiers don't do maintenance, and they don't kill anybody either. Otherwise Africa wouldn't have an overpopulation problem still. I'm glad you have a rolemodel you can emulate and reach the skill level of though, maybe if you study real hard you'll be at the level of an illiterate 10 year old African soon.
Africa has an overpopulation problem, but only inasmuch as the number of Africans living there is more that zero—the census numbers the UN cites in their doom-and-gloom population reports are based on totally unverifiable metrics like asking villagers how many people they know in the surrounding area, which naturally inflates estimates of rural populations in places like Africa and China. The idea that there will be one or two billion Africans in Africa by 2050 is preposterous, although if it gets Bill Gates to mass-sterilize them for the good of the planet I'm willing to pretend it's not.
>deliberately handicapoing yourself out of pride
hypercope
How am I handicapping myself exactly?
you don't carry spare parts for your gun. dumb as all hell. you'll regret it when you accidentally bump your hat holding all those tiny parts
i don't care what lucas buttplug told you, flat range drills are not gonna make a difference in a fight, that fact that you think they will is further proof of moronation.
>you don't carry spare parts for your gun.
Why would I?
>flat range drills are not gonna make a difference in a fight
No matter what convoluted logic you try to pull, the AR-15 is faster to reload and that matters in a firefight.
>and that matters in a firefight.
[citation needed]
Every study of small arms effectiveness ever conducted has concluded volume of fire is the most important factor to determining hit probability. Therefore the higher rate of fire provided by a faster magazine change is very important.
>b-but I don't like facts I like AK aesthetics!
That's fine
congrats, you and your child soldier friends will be hunted like rats because I can afford night vision and you cannot.
Cite a study where the 1-second difference between mag-drop reloads on the AR vs AK was significant at a p-value of .05 or better. I'm sure that you're talking about studies comparing assault rifles against each other, and not comparing assault rifles to battle rifles, or bolt guns, or anything else that wouldn't be material to the present discussion.
>noo it doesn't count because, uh, I'm not even going to make an argument!
Very cool
Cite a study that demonstrates lower rate of fire and carrying more weight is superior 🙂
>it doesn't count because you made a bullshit claim that you can't back up
Yes. With all the confounding variables intrinsic in actual combat conditions, I have no reason to believe that how fast a soldier can change magazines (while hiding behind cover, while his squadmates are filling in any gaps in the volume of fire his magazine change might cause) matters at all, and you don't seem interested in chaging my mind by any means besides bare assertion.
>empirical data ends where my feelings begin
lmao
What empirical data? Can you even show me results from a 3 Gun match where someone's reload speed allowed them to edge out one of their competitors?
Literally ever combat study the US military has ever done. Did you forget what we're arguing about or are you a newcomer to the argument?
>All of these studies that are common knowledge, but are apparently classified or lost in the mists of time since you can't specifically reference a single one of them
>hit probability studies
do you even know what maneuver warfare is? or air support? you have no clue how war is fought stfu
this is besides the fact that reload speed doesn't mean dick for volume of fire. get a fricking belt fed you dipshit
the convoluted logic is real life is not a fricking video game, you really have no goddamn clue. i bet you even own a micro rig.
my hand grenades and friends giving suppressive fire don't care about your reload speed. my IED doesn't care about your up drill.
Tell us more about all the firefights you’ve won.
But I thought you said AKs were too expensive. Now you’re trying to deflect and brag about having night vision. Are you a poorgay or not?
>But I thought you said AKs were too expensive.
They are. They cost more than superior guns. That's bad.
>Now you’re trying to deflect and brag about having night vision
Says the guy trying to deflect by pretending he has friends and explosives.
>Are you a poorgay or not?
I dunno, I have an SR-15 and night vision, so by /k/ standards probably not. I just like getting value for my dollar.
>Tell us more about all the firefights you’ve won.
ok, I shot at some guys 400m away and they died. I didn't. M4a1 confirmed good gun, AKM confirmed dogshit.
If you really believed what you said, you would sell your SR-15 and buy an AUG. It’s lighter, cheaper, and just as accurate. :^)
It's accurate enough - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSX9UN8RTjo - and it feels lighter because it has a superior weight distribution (despite being over a pound heavier), but at least you're right about it being less expensive.
I like the AUG but the trigger wall is atrocious
It doesn't make you think "Damn, that's a nice trigger" while you're dry-firing, but it doesn't get in the way when you're actually shooting so I don't care.
Have you done anything to it? I shot one with the sear yesterday, wall was bad. Still managed to make a 1moa group but it was way more difficult to maintain a straight trigger pull through the wall compared to something like an mbt2s
>wall was bad
No, I just accept that it's about as good as a really good Nerf gun trigger and try to git as gud with it as possible.
To be fair, there's no reason for the AUG's trigger to be bad; the 1911's trigger works the same way and everyone loves those.
Aftermarket metal triggers improves it to such a degree it baffles me that Steyr even offers the gun without such an upgrade as standard.
Steyr are a bunch of morons living in the past.
European companies in general just hate money.
Steyr is damn near as irrelevant as Saab.
Have you been asleep the last couple of months? SAAB is doing just fine. Russia is currently running the best advertisement campaign they could dream of, for free.
>lighter
It is not.
>cheaper
It's pretty much the same as I paid for my SR-15
>just as accurate
Not with that trigger it's not
I'm also just not a fan of bullpup ergonomics, and shoot wrong-handed. I'd have to pay more to get left-handed parts, and then nobody else I know would be able to use the gun. Not really interested at all. Nicer than an AK though!
>I'd have to pay more to get left-handed parts, and then nobody else I know would be able to use the gun.
case deflector's like $125, less than the cost of getting the version that takes AR mags
Poor zoomies missed the boat on cheap imports and think that means the AK itself is bad. No sweatie you’re just late to the party.
I got the cheap imports though. I sold them because none of them did anything better than a WASR but AKtards will pay $2k for the same gun with a different stamp on it.
Yep and ARtards will pay $2k for the same gun with a different rollmark. We’re not so different, you and I.
>he carries a spare bolt and nothing else
>it's ok to lose parts, i did it on purpose!
how about we just get a better gun AND spare parts? wouldn't that be nice?
the spare is there for an emergency, it's not meant to be something used with any frequency. you should not EXPECT to need it.
That kid is going to get thrown around by that stock less g3
I suspect that the only people who hate AKs are zoomers and other Johnny-come-latelys who were priced out of them thanks to Obongo’s sanctions. That’s how you get nonsensical posts like this: . I don’t know how old Hop is, but most of the big guntubers who have been around since 2010 or earlier like Hickok45 and IraqVeteran1488 love AKs. I think most people who claim to hate them have either never shot them, or they overpaid for piece of shit WASRs. Only someone who is comparing the price of a WASR or ZPAP to an absolute bottom-tier AR like PSA would think that AKs are more expensive than ARs. By the way, it’s not 2012 anymore. AKs can be modernized with optics, railz, gucci triggers, etc. just fine. People who claim that AKs are unergonomic are morons, since they have giant controls that literal children with undeveloped fingers can operate. AK haters are just a bunch of sour grapes gays.
I love AKs. They're just shit guns, objectively. They're also at shitty prices now. My $500 wasr is fine. The same gun at ~$1000 is insane.
The AR doesn't need excuses, on account of being good.
>WASR owner
>thinks AKs are shit guns
Like pottery. Thinking that Romyshit is the standard measure for AKs is like thinking that PSA is the standard for ARs. Compare an $1800 AK to an $1800 AR, and the perceived differences in quality and craftmanship magically disappear.
>Compare an $1800 AK to an $1800 AR, and the perceived differences in quality and craftmanship magically disappear.
I've done so. My Arsenal was worse than my WASR, thus I sold it. My SR-15 shits on both. So I kept the cheap blaster, because the one and only thing AKs are good for is fun. Compare an $1800 AR to a $1800 AK and the AR wins. Compare a $1000 AR to a $1000 AK and the AR wins. Compare a $600 AR to...well there aren't any $600 AKs anymore.
>my $3k SR-15 is better than a WASR or SGL
>therefore AKs are shit
kek ARgays are funny. Compare a DDM4V7 to something like a Galil ACE or SAM7SF if you want to be fair. Any modern rifle that retails in the $1600-$1800 range or higher is going to be fine. It’s just a matter of personal preference. I don’t own an SR-15, but I own an LMT New Zealand, and I wouldn’t say it’s miles ahead of any other modern rifle I own. After a certain point you, are just paying for the brand’s reputation and quality control. The machining on the LMT is great, but it’s also great on the IWI ACE. If you prefer to shoot ARs, then that’s fine, but your preference doesn’t mean that AKs or other designs are inherently bad.
No anon, my SR-15 cost me about $1800 and is superior to every $1800-2000 AK I've shot.
>DDM4V7 to something like a Galil ACE or SAM7S
Ok, the DDM4v7 is better. It's more reliable, accurate, lighter, and costs less. Done.
>rifle is worse
>but it's not actually worse!
anon pls
>rifle is fine
>but it's actually shit because I, personally, am not invested in it enough to make it work for me
Yes, let the hate flow through you—soon you will understand how I feel about the AR platform.
>Ok, the DDM4v7 is better. It's more reliable, accurate, lighter, and costs less. Done.
Lighter, yes. Everything else, no.
Neither of those guns is shooting sub-MOA, the DD is. Definitely more reliable too. DDM4v7 can be had under $1500, neither of the others can. Everything I said was true, you just don't like it.
>pulled straight out of your ass. your typical quad rail AR is heavier than a regular AK.
Not even true. Even a DDM4a1 with a heavy ass RIS II weighs less than a typical AK. Even if your argument was true, an AK with rails to bring it up to parity with an AR weighs even more still.
>get what you pay for
And you get it at a better rate with an AR.
>get a galil ace if you think how fast you can flick a safety matters (it doesn't you dumbass gamer)
I shoot rifles left handed so that pile of crap is even worse. How fast you actuate a safety does matter, mag reload matters even more. AR is faster for both.
All of it is true and comparing a quadrail AR to an AK with no rail is moronic cope only an AKgay could come up with. You're so used to the rifle sucking, you are always ready to come up with excuses for it.
DDM4V7 and Galil ACE can both be had for about $1700 right now according to gun.deals, so at the end of the day you are getting high and mighty over the roughly 2 lbs of weight advantage and maybe 1moa accuracy the AR has over the AK. They are about equal in every other respect.
https://www.familyfirearms.com/product/daniel-defense-ddm4-v7-5.56-nato-16-301-black-hard-coat-anodized-6-position-wsofttouch-overmolding-stock
$1469.99 after adding to cart 🙂
>2 lbs and 1 MOA
Those are both massive advantages.
I have an SGL-21 got it for $700 when Arsenal first started importing them. A $700 AR at the time was a better buy by a wide margin. Now it's a no brainer.
I like shooting the AK because it's honestly satisfying to shoot and people always have fun with it. The metal on metal clacking, the look of it, etc.
But I do believe a modern AR is better than a modern AK. I feel like a well built AK is still only worth $500 today, but at that price you can only get dogshit quality. Meanwhile a $500 AR from PSA would be better.
Like having a given a budget, as a civilian, within the the US, to get one SHTF gun you'd be a moron getting an AK. If you have money to blow on a frick around gun an AK is fine.
>Like having a given a budget, as a civilian, within the the US, to get one SHTF gun you'd be a moron getting an AK.
Getting an AR when you want an AK, and the AK is a rifle you'll consistently practice with and achieve and maintain a high level of proficiency with, while the AR feels like a second job that costs you money and you'll make all kinds of excuses to not shoot—now that's moronic. There just isn't that much difference between the two platforms for it to matter as much as you seem to think it does.
You're just making up dumb bullshit.
>I don’t know how old Hop is,
I'd believe anything between 25 and 40.
Im 21 and think both platforms have their value. If anything I think the best kind of ak you could get is one in 5.56 or (If you could still fricking get it) 5.45. 7.62x39 is fine but it's out paced by the other two calibers.
Modernize your AK all you won't, it won't be as accurate, low-recoiling or as ergonomic as an AR. Seethe.
Milspec AK74 and M4 basically have the same MOA if you want to actually have apples-apples comparisons. And not really, the aftermarket has fixed virtually all recoil and ergo problems with the AK platform. At the end of the day, people just like AR's because they' can be cheaper and not as front weight biased.
LOLOL hell no, they ain't the same MOA. AR15s can do sub moa, AKs can only dream of 5 MOA.
>can do
More like can cope amirite. The milspec for an M4 is literally 4 MOA. Which AK are you talking about? You are clearly in expert them, so please go on.
>The milspec for an M4 is literally 4 MOA
This doesn't mean what you think it means. That's not mechanical accuracy, that's an extremely loose performance parameter. If it manages to be 4 MOA, or under, it passes. This does not mean 4 MOA is all it is capable of.
you have to be 18 to post here nogunz
You are so deluded it's genuinely funny.
>the aftermarket has fixed virtually all recoil and ergo problems with the AK platform
No, and I say this as someone with three AKs. What aftermarket gives the AK an AR's capability to drop a mag with just a finger-pressed button that doesn't require any hand movement? What aftermarket has the AK's safety within reach of your thumb and can be actuated without, again, removing your hand?
>thinking these things matter
yes you can get extended mag releases, different styles of safety, or other minor quality of life modifications. but if you think that matters in war you're a dumbass
>AK aftermarket has eliminated all ergonomic issues it had
>So it fixed these issues?
>Those don't matter.
Black person.
i just fricking said it did. but it's a non-issue in the firstplace you b***h
>i just fricking said it did.
You're moronic, extending the paddle release doesn't turn it into a finger-actuated button, and it's mechanically impossible to turn a standard AK safety into anything resembling an AR one.
> it's a non-issue in the firstplace you b***h
You're moronic.
hit the paddle with your trigger finger dumbass.
real life is not a video game, taking an extra second to reload won't get you killed. that's what cover fire is for
>real life is not a video game
>that's what cover fire is for
lmfao
>i have been consistently proven wrong
>i am out of my depth
>time to hit em with the LMFAO
NTA but that safety is moronic, you can only flick it to safe from fire with your thumb and it's something of a joke to VEPR owners
>hit the paddle with your trigger finger dumbass.
For the third time, you are moronic. You are not exerting enough force to drop the mag with just your trigger finger, you have to move your hand, grip the mag, depress the paddle with your thumb, and then pull the mag out. Have you ever used an AK before?
>real life is not a video game, taking an extra second to reload won't get you killed.
You're just coping now, you made a bullshit claim, you got called out and now you're saying any deficiencies don't matter and acting like you have a squad on backup. have a nice day.
you can just say you don't know what you're talking about and leave it at that.
if you're relying on speed reloads you will die.
you have no fricking idea what you're doing. sell your guns and save yourself the trouble
>USE AN EXTENDED PADDLE RELEASE
>That's not a finger-actuated button that also drops the mag
>JUST PUSH IT WITH YOUR FINGER
>You can't get the force needed to push with just your finger and you still have to grip the mag to remove it
>*posts pic of a different Black person-rigged cope that still doesn't allow the mag to drop free*
I wonder if you even own guns at this point.
You don't own an AK. Stop posting.
>>say use an extended mag release with finger
>>post extended mag release being used with finger
>"UM AKSHUALLY UR DUMB LMAO"
dude what is your damage
You're moronic and you don't own an AK.
you're a whiney gamer who thinks everything is about 1R1 drills. you think a 40mm grenade cares about how fast you can shoot from low ready? stop watching lucas buttplug videos
I'm a guy who actually owns AKs and knows what he's talking about and not some underaged commieboo moron with delusions because he watched Lord of War too many times. Suck on it.
no you don't. in any case solutions to your problems exist and are well known, get a fricking krebs safety and mag release instead of b***hing
Tell me you're not commenting on shit you don't actually own anon, that'd be embarrassing.
LMFAO do not post that shit if you're wanting to use an example of an ambi AK safety, holy shit is that garbage. Literally just pretend the left side doesn't exist and stick with the regular right lever.
> At the end of the day, people just like AR's because they' can be cheaper and not as front weight biased.
This thread is amazing.
If you're an AK proponent in this day and age you have to be on some serious copium
It's honestly breathtaking. Just look at it.
I'll buy it from you, $500 yeah?
Funny that's about what I paid for it 8 years ago when PSA was clearing them out. Every time I want a laugh I looks for much they're selling for now.
Goddamn, dont remind me
I got into guns a month or so after that sale ended
Well I own both and I like both. Simple as. You dont own any guns
he's an AR gay who only owns other rifles ironically
ignore him
Anyone who is so pedantic, egocentric and criticizes like that does not own any guns whatsoever. Many such cases
It's funny because I owned AKs for years before I even got my first AR.
I used to own a NO4. It wasn't bad, but finding ammo fir it was like trying to find Atlantis, and when you did, it like 50 cal prices
It's awful now if you're not wanting to pay for SP hunting rounds. I shot it for the first time in a decade a couple weeks ago and I only have ten rounds of PPU FMJ left.
>I suspect that the only people who hate AKs are zoomers and other Johnny-come-latelys who were priced out of them thanks to Obongo’s sanctions.
>AK haters are just a bunch of sour grapes gays.
Nah. I just recognize the shortcoming in comparison to the AR.
I don't hate AKs, I collect them because I think they're sexy as frick.
I also acknowledge they're profoundly inferior to modern ARs, practically speaking.
>filename
Post your own
>nooo you can't repost pics of your guns that you already posted on 4chongs nooooo
What a weird hill to die on.
In my experience zoomers like AKs quite a bit
Then why do only goatfrickers and moronic slavs still use them?
Typical AR enthusiast: can't run 5280 feet in a row, fantasizes about overthrowing his government somehow anyway
Average AK enjoyer:
bruh are you saying some no stock balding homosexual drinking tea is based? jfc read the bible or something
Not that anon but the ak is a side folder and he looks pretty based to me.
many such cases.
I like AK's but they suffer from not keeping up with the times. There's no reason they shouldn't have figured out a better more modern and easier way to assemble them like AR15's. There's no reason they should be pressed together.
Being pressed together is a high volume requirement. You plain just don't see guns made this way anymore because armies don't need new guns cranked out by the hundreds every day.
Truthfully, I think milled AK's make more sense for the civilian market: the volumes are lower and they reduce the BOM size since you technically can mill the trunions in the receiver. The price of them today is inflated by perception and precedent, but really they're the cheaper way to make firearms if you don't have the tooling for stamped guns.
it does not fricking matter.
>all that reciprocating mass on the AK
kek
>tfw no more titan bolt carriers
Feelsbadman
The amount of reciprocating mass in a gun is generally determined by reliability concerns. The reason all militaries aren't running competition bolt carriers etc. is that they want their guns to run reliably, some more reliably than others.
And here you are shitting the thread up as usual. I wish youd go back to wherever you came from homosexual
Mil Surplus soon H'uH H'uH H'uh?
A brave man.
>for SIG
Do you really think this is due to merit?
lol no you think you're getting them?
If it doesn't have thermal augmented reality, it is outdated. So yeah
ok
>all systems nominal
Wtf is this shit, Captain?
the future
get with the times grandpa
What gaem ?
boundry
there was an open beta a couple of months back its pretty fun
Looks rad, thanks.
Man I wish Shattered Horizon took off
frick i miss that game.
Call of Duty: Ghosts
Diy scope with ballistic computer for airsoft, made by some jap guy.
Funny thing, he made a batch of these and wanted to sell them, but backed off when Shinzo Abe was killed
Probably a good idea the jap government probably still wants to cave some skulls
frick does shinzo have to do with airsoft optic
Reminds me of that asiatic that mad a hologram sight by spinning a few LED’s really fast and timing on/off cycle to minimize the bleed and so it can actually look like floating orbs of light.
I don't see how this is useful in the slightest.
I think it's supposed to be fun not practical
>Reactor Online
wtf looks like bullet drop to ground in 3 meters?
you can clearly see its calculating the path for 3 seconds of flight for whatever type of round its set for. the one projected seems entirely reasonable
this thing is gonna shoot a bullet of fart a ping pong ball on the floor?
>pee mode engaged
what is this? exactly ? what model?
Xeno hunting mode
It’s like a HUD on a jet fighter
I am in love
https://nitter.net/EXCEL__
its some jap airsoft anime autist
>Optics are going to be really cool just in time for me to retire and be able to afford it all.
its an extremely simple system that some airsoft hobbyist built for pocket change
Exactly. That means the real thing can't be more than a decade behind.
It only costs $10,000, what are you, poor?
This is way too complicated for practical use. Would be great for those dedicated grenade launchers though.
Everything about this screems fake
I know from seeing a few fakes in my time.
Way to fine and sharp a display.
Anyone that has used a HUD would know this.
Worst of it is the drop line.
A grenade launcher would not have that much drop AND it simply would not give any left right sway AAND the sway it is giving is in the wrong direction AAAND the sway is too much for the subtle movements made
Best you could do would be to use a distance laser and give an estimated drop. A completely useless feature under 400 yards for a bullet and so would never be put on an optic that didn’t have magnification
Was it revealed to you in a dream? Or is there an actual source
>source: I made it up
The beautiful thing about that skinny man child Hop is that everyone who references his ignorant opinions and shit takes outs themselves as inexperienced zoomer morons for the rest of us. You love to hate that twink for that.
thats because sig doesnt make any optics. they rebrand.
Surplus where?
The US military finally embracing Holosun? Based dare I say.
Based in ignorance of Berry Compliance I'd say.
As an Eotech gay with a EXPS3 & G45, I’m now demoralized…
Sig is israeliteing their way into the DoD so fricking hard it makes me sick
Because like 1/3 of their R&D department are veterans who know what the DoD needs because they saw the gaps in their service. SIG is dragging the industry forward from people like COLT who rode their contracts so hard that they drove their company into the ground instead of innovating while still on top.
na sig is israelites and the dod is probably israelites
>dragging the industry forward by equipping the Army with Not-A-Glock and 21st Century–M14
yeah
>21st Century–M14
Just say you're moronic.
refute me, coward
Lighter, more accurate, more modular design, swappable to different calibers, people will want to use it instead of leaving it in the arms room.
So it's a battle rifle developed by a favored contractor, adopted under questionable pretenses, designed in the year of our Lord 2019? 21st Century–M14.
>So it's a battle rifle developed by a favored contractor
SIG was literally the least favored to win the NGSW, lmao. What the frick is this cope?
>the company that's won basically every nu-Army contract, one right ater another, isn't "favored"
Ron Cohen cries out in pain as he strikes you.
when do we get cheap surplus Eotechs?
its hard not to be a proud sigger these days
How many Eotech threads is this today?
They all seem to have the same low level writing ability too.
>US military goes with lowest bidder
>sigger shills try and claim this is a win
which one of you did this
hmm...
ironically that vid has some of the better footage on youtube looking through the actual optic
right, who is the target market for a equipment that you cant even buy and why this girl soo young ?
what a mess
Looks 18 to me
Beretta what are you doing?
>Age of Consent in Italy: 14yrs
Fair enough
UOHHHHHHHHH
this guy knows exactly what he's doing...
getting free gear
they had to send it back, it was just for review
>believing anything a teenage girl says
yeah I'm sure they gave a ~5k piece of gear to a 12 year old with 200 subscribers for free
just keep it and say you sent it back
MSRP for the CQT is $9999—is Steiner really that bad off that street price is 50% MSRP?
its a "civilian" version or something idk
It's a blemished or refurb unit.
No it's being discontinued for the gen 2 variant.
>Teenage girl
That ain't no teen
Even better.
RAPE RAPE RAPE RAPE RAPE
all the couch needs is fabric with a gaudy pattern on it
I liked the part where the 12-year-old girl reassured us multiple times that she didn't have any CQB training. Nothing suspiciously specific or weird about that at all.
da frick, this looks like abuse
the casting couch vibes are mad sus, no cap
yeah her dad should be shot
also idk what you mean by casting couch but i assume it's porn
She's reading a teleprompter screen.
Kid looks fine, she's not being weird with the CQB training, she's just saying she's not an expert.
Fathers the one doing the arm flapping.
Chill the frick out not everything is pedo shit. If I as the father I'd get her at least wearing less revealing clothes, but whatever kids wear this shit.
So you're telling me if you had a daughter you'd be okay with doing this? Putting her online in little skimpy clothing knowing damn well what the target audience is?
>comments disabled
they got 5 or 6 UOHHHHHHHHHs and realized that showing their daughter's legs to the Internet was a bad move
Imagine having a daughter and then whoring her online to fricking larper neckbeards and boomers. There's a reason the comments are off
Is this that casting couch from Facial Abuse or BLACKED?
So is Sig Sauer really the best weapons manufacturer right now or is there some other reason they're getting every military contract?
Look up their upper management.
>government mandates they go with the cheapest bidder
>thinks this probes sig is the best
minimum viable product
They offer the most comprehensive package on the market to LEO/govs
>Sig ammo
>Sig suppressor
>Sig optics
>Sig holster
>Sig rifle
>sig pistol
The only things they dont make are a light or infrared laser to my knowledge in terms of common AR Larperator add-ons. Who else has that level of vertical integration? Beretta, maybe? S&W? But S&W and Beretta lost the pistol trial, S&W didnt even participate in the rifle trial, and Beretta was loosely involved in 1 of them. And they lost to the Spear anyway
How much does that vertical integration actually matter to a buyer that's never going to interact with their customer service depatment? Other than kickbacks from ~~*Ron Cohen*~~, what does the military get from buying all their shit from one company?
Well seeing as Sig sold their p320 for $210 a pop or something I imagine they can cut down cost especially on their own home brand holsters and accessories. Easy to deal with 1 supplier and not 10
regulatory capture
tax tax tax
since pretty much everything is state side, much tax goes straight back to the big G, you also employ Americans while stimulating the economy at the same time
sort of related concepts
Careful, you might get Triji/EO delaminaters on you.
WTF is this Hop person? Not that twink who got thrown around by the Sig Spear right?
Some 34-38 year old guy that manages to seem like a zoomer male and a PNW Lesbian all at the same time. He is loosely associated with this place and basically should be ignored.
your moronic there is no connection between sig and holosun other than sig also being made in china. they are not both made by holosun.
yes they is
They have the same chinese supplier.
Here’s how the majority of the red dot market works. There are about a dozen chinese electro optics companies. One comes up with a design. They approach american optics companies to see if they want to market it for them. If the American company thinks they can sell it they do one of two things. They buy it and sell it in the US or they buy the components and assemble it in the US and then sell it. Many companies essentially sell the same optic from the same chinese company.
If only they'd buy the best for once.
they did
Heh, that's the one I still have on my rifle
>falls from 2 feet
>breaks
Hop needs to make videos at a higher tempo. Right now he's getting owned by Brass Facts because that guy is putting out videos consistently, which the algorithm likes.
Brass is alright but he's not putting out the kind of videos that I enjoy watching like the way Hop does. As much as I dislike Hop, he's very clear cut and well spoken which is a fricking rare trait in the gun circles.
Being literate enough to write a decent script and proofread and practice before editing the final product is rare among Americans in general.
It’s always hot record and say whatever comes to mind.
>It’s always hot record and say whatever comes to mind.
Hop is the best guntuber lesbian and Brass is a gay; Brassgays. They deserve each other
God it's so entertaining to watch AR and AK pissing matches
Anybody want some popcorn?
chad modernized AK
SIG has gotten a few very large military contracts.
>this kills the AR user
>not knowing the 3 second solution to this rare malfunction
>indian made optics
oh no no no
>Sig manages to sell chinkshit optics to the US military and they eat it up like good goys
Lmao what's next
Eotechs will always look cooler
No
this is obviously some kind of israelite backroom deal going on
>Eotech gays btfo!
It's not even in the same category as EOTech, it's not a holographic site. Just because an optic has a square-ish housing doesn't make it an EOTech competitor.