What's /k/'s choice for urban stealth missions inside enemy territory? I'm thinking an extremely heavy siege crossbow firing some sort of wide broad-head (6" or more) would be ideal. Why aren't things like this being made any more?
Urban Stealth Weaponry
OP here. I've been thinking about this some more. Why haven't we seen electrically wound steel siege crossbows with some kind of rangefinder system that adjusts the elevation of the shot to compensate for gravity? You could probably get such a device up to 2500lbs and with the right targeting system have it be accurate up to 700m and silent (except for the noise of the string, which can be mitigated). Reloading would probably take a maximum of five seconds. What would the drawbacks be to a system like this? Normally you would have to worry about wind and what not, but presumably with a 0.16lb projectile this wouldn't be a problem.
>right targeting system have it be accurate up to 700m
Try like 200-300m
>What would the drawbacks be to a system like this?
Arrow speed and flight time. You are drastically underestimating how much wind and drop affects arrows. Even at such a strong draw weight it’s much much slower than bullets and will be affected quite a bit. The other issue is accuracy (leading to a quick kill) now to be honest I don’t know how easily this could be fixed but I don’t think it has the inherent accuracy of a rifle at extreme distances. A bolt through the chest will kill you but not before making a fuss. Headshots = quiet if that’s what you want. Headshots mean a high degree of repeatable accuracy. Another issue is weight between battery, motor, strong limbs for that draw weight, etc.
All that being said, I don’t want to shit on your parade and I like the idea. I would be extremely curious to see where it could go.
Small crossbow
Because the advantage you're assuming to have - killing someone instantly without him making a sound - does not exist. He will scream, therefore you might as well use a gun.
I think you missed the part about 6" wide broadheads. OP is going to be partially severing dudes heads off with every bolt. And with his magic self winding system, he'll be able to take a platoon out in minutes.
As long as he never gets seen, he can't be caught.
Helmets, kevlar collars. Weight of the damn electrically powered siege crossbow and its ammo. The bolt still makes a loud sound when it goes through a person and when it hits a surface. Especially if it has the power to decapitate. Direction of the shot can be assertained from the direction the bolt is sticking in something. Bulk of such devices. You still might end up in a firefight. Which means another weapon and ammo for it. Standard is overwatch sniper / snipers / drones/ planes covering a squad or squads getting in , doing as much damage as possible and getting out , also sabotaging pursuit vehicles, or having explosives ruin the roads/ paths behind you. Special forces level of fitness is higher because they are supposed to be able to outrun and evade regular infantry
Because the FiveSeven and FN F2000 exist. You can take out cameras with the former, and incapacitate or kill enemies with the latter.
crossbows are the most moronic idea in the modern age
>Giant ass suppressor
>like 3 baffles in the entire thing.
>tfw i found out that stealth missions as depicted in video games and movies arent actually possible in real life
They are, though. There's tons and tons of "urban explorer" videos on youtube where youths film themselves sneaking into guarded areas, evade guards/cameras and climb up to the top of cranes.
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Oooh, they snuck into some random building site? And have you seen the ones where people tier one operator their way into abandoned military bunkers that haven't seen hide nor hair of any guard or other active security measure for over thirty years? These guys could just waltz straight into the Pentagon I'm telling you!
You lose.
there's no sneaking here. it's just two people walking past employees that don't give enough of a frick to stop them
HOW DOES THIS NOT TELL YOU THAT SPLINTER CELLS ARE VIABLE? If sneaking into guarded places with cameras and guards is something two kids can do, it's something a trained agent with loads of support can do.
it's not sneaking. it's black teenagers dressed up in shiesties in NYC. approaching them for any reason has a shockingly high chance of ending up with a firearm being discharged. loss prevention doesn't get paid enough to confront a couple of Black folk not causing any trouble that could very well ape out at a moment's notice.
you should look into how stealth works in real world tactical applications
First of all, only one of them is a blacky. Secondly, sneaking into places where nobody expects someone of their calibre only adds to the viability of SCs. An SC wouldn't be dressed in an all black wetsuit most of the time. They'd be someone with location appropriate clothing, fake ID, an earpiece and shitloads of prior knowledge about where they are and what their target is. If the kids in those videos knew about the wiring of the place, they could have tapped an ethernet cable, for instance.
The MO of SCs is that they obtain information that can't be accessed wirelessly. Printed docs, person to person conversations and air-gapped networks. All that means is stuff like taking photos, installing microphones and physically accessing network hardware.
Yes, anon. Physical pentesting is a thing people do.
>quietly strolling past rent-a-cops to climb empty construction equipment
Truly an infiltration mission for the history books.
There was that time in the 80s when Dick Marcinko and a bunch of ex SEAL team 6 guys got really high and got to pretend to be commies and terrorists sneaking onto and breaking into all sorts of bases across the US and Europe.
I loved reading rogue warrior, but I would take most everything Marcinko said with a grain of salt.
Dude was the definition of “don’t let the truth get in the way of a good story.”
Wait you’re telling me this is true?
There are probably Predator tier stealth suits and materials, live to 100 and maybe some of it will be public domain.
>Urban Stealth Weaponry
>suggests some bulky weapon that would be impossible to conceal and would be distinctly visible to any of the massive number of inhabitants that urban areas typically contain, who would then quickly contact the authorities because they'd think you're some psycho for running around with a fricking crossbow
It bugs the shit out of me when people don't realize this. Video games need to start having NPCs react to rifles or other larger, highly visible weapons beyond if you have one at the ready or pointed at them so maybe this will finally click in people's brains.
Doesn't seem too practical, maybe try a flying guillotine instead.
suppressed .38 takedown lever-action
quiet as a whisper but with enough power to actually take somebody down, you might fire it pretty quickly if you need to
then bail
A suppressed handgun firing heavy subsonics
Honestly if you're on an infiltration mission and are forced to use your weapon, you've already fricked up
These plus 6 months mma training maybe a smatchet
>TWO WORLD WARS KEEPS WINNING .45 BROS
a bomb
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Boil some coffee and get ready to do a little tweaking. You're gonna want to install the widescreen patch.
Nailgun, pistol and meat clever
A modified fire extinguisher.
Been reading “Fry The Brain” and the vss is the only purpose built weapon of its kind at the time it was written. Now a days you can could build a really quiet 300blk equivalent. With an mcx you can even fold and qd a suppressor so it could be pretty discreet. Some companies even make subsonic “hunting” ammo, but I doubt your getting much more performance than a subsonic pistol round idk. Suppressed 9mm carbine up close would be solid as well, basically anything suppressed and subsonic would be good for killing sentries Sam fisher style.
I would go with a surpresed pistol with folding stock so you can switch between tight hallways and open spaces and a kabar
On the point of heavy crossbow they arent that great for any past hunting or open combat against someone with a sword
Fry the brain was a good book
>stealth game
>guard A and guard B have routes that pass within earshot
>take out guard A silently
>make entirely normal sound in guard A's area like opening a door
>guard B: "who's there?!"
>investigates the area, finds nothing
>"must have been the wind"
>absence of guard A unnoticed
Guards in splinter cell will notice one of them is gone if they're supposed to have a scripted conversation with that guard.
It's funny how they get spooked by just the sound of someone walking behind them in a scenario where that's normal, though. The boots of their friends don't alarm them but yours do.
If I was being generous I'd argue that after working guard duty with someone for a while you subconsciously recognize their form of walking, so you could conceivably think "Hey those footsteps don't sound like Ivan's"
Just learn a few choices and a sub sonic rifle
Give me 3 valid reasons why this wouldn't work as a stealth weapon.
1 - Its a bow and bows that small fricking suck. All the reason you need.
You could use poison of course or use something akin to a wrist rocket.
Or that moronic spy pistol punching glive from the 60's.
Reason #829 why splinter cell blacklist fricking sucks:
The mission where sam changes into his full sneaking wetsuit with rifle strapped on his back and goggles on his head, in the middle of a city in broad daylight, then proceeds to sneak through the alleyways instead of just wearing normal clothes and walking
Can I get some recommendations for this sort of modern ninja game?
I've played Chaos Theory, MGSV, and the open world Ghost Recons.
Pistol needs to be smaller like Glock 19 or P365XL sized and you'd want a dedicated thermal monocular. Also a PVS-14 with skull crusher mount.
Some kind of stock adapter for the pistol like a recover tactical 2020 or flix raider would be even better than a pistol. You can conceal it under a jacket
Lock picks and a leather man as well
T-shirt, Jeans, Boilersuit with A/C or elevator repair company logo on the back, the smallest fully silenced pistol I can get, and a durr huntin’ rifle hidden in my trunk. It’s easier to just walk by people and look like you are supposed to be there than it is to sneak around like you don’t belong with a fricking crossbow.
OSS tried many things to create a silent sentry-killer, from poison darts to quite-functional suppressed firearms. Aside from a bullet placed very carefully fored from an integrally suppressed bolt-action, very little can accomplish a quick, effective kill that doesn't alert others. An arrow/bolt doesn't give advantage over what can be accomplished by a firearm purpose-built for the task, with numerous drawbacks, and possibly more noise. Even with a knife, it is tricky to do unless you know where and how to cut. People don't die so easy, or quietly. A subsonic pill to the head or heart are about as good as it gets.
Because every person has a microphone and a camera on them
I recommend the broadsword
Anon siege crossbows are still very loud. You might as well just use a suppressed subsonic pistol at that point.