that'll be the coup de grace on this whole war when they give the security council seat to ukraine (China might even be able to get talked into it because they took it from Taiwan in the 70s)
I mean, ussr under each вoждь is basically a different country. stalin's ussr isn't the same as 60s, or late 70s to 80s and is almost completely different from NEP times.
>All of USSR's achievements were usually due to Ukraine
This is some fricking bullshit. The Western parts were generally wealthier and the Ukrainians were a large portion of the population, but this doesn't take away from the fact that Russians alone had more population than the other republics combined and was the undisputable center of power. Think a little before posting literal NAFO tier takes.
You seem to have omitted the gargantuan difference in size, population, and natural resources between both countries. One of which was bombed to shit and lost huge amounts of industry during WW2.
I think the british had a slightly firmer grip on canada and india than the US does on argentina, ghana and laos. That's the most disingenuous map I've ever seen, and I don't even like bongistan
How many of those countries does the USA collect taxes from, how many Americans sit in their parliaments/government buildings, how many American viceroys rule those territories and govern domestic policy.
A military presence that can be asked to leave at anytime does not an empire make.
Motherfricker, the US has a military presence in one spot in Cuba that technically isn't Cuba and a small logistics outpost in Colombia and nothing else. What the frick is this map
Nigeria literally has a future as long as they play ball with the international community. Oil money to fund their development, infrastructure, and hopefully improvements to democracy and standard of living.
i think this meme needs a a bit of work, for example the first satellite >Sputnik 1
launched 4. october 1957 in orbit for 92 days >Sputnik 2
launched 3. november 1957 in orbit for 162 days >Explorer 1
launched 1. february 1958 in orbit for over 12 years
what i am getting at is that the soviet union launched trash into space so they can claim first place
>what i am getting at is that the soviet union launched trash into space so they can claim first place
This is exactly what happened, because they got info the US mission was almost ready. But first is first.
The first woman in space is an extreme example of this when you read what they did
>us mentions sending a woman into space >USSR panics and picks random factory workers to train for a few weeks to be sent >korolov et all know that this isn't a good idea as these women don't have the background for serious flight and they all are doing worse on training than previous cosmonauts so they make the orbiter 100% ground controlled >don't even give her the override in case anything happens like they did with Gagarin (who didn't need to use it) >decide to make the primary tests conducted to be about her health since that requires nothing on her part than existing >send her up >she immediately starts complaining the controls don't work when she's not told to do anything yet >doesn't eat on time or do any of the things she's told to report on >keeps unplugging her bio monitoring devices >lands and they find out she had a cold during this, making what data they did get worthless since it was entirely about getting baseline measurements for a healthy female in space and how it effects them >can't just sweep it under the rug because its been made into a political spectacle >have to wait until the USSR falls to tell the world what a waste the endeavor was all because the politburo wanted something done immediately instead of correctly
The Vostok capsule didn't need a trained pilot. Yuri Gagarin's flight was 100% controlled from the ground, from start to finish. The Vostok capsule landed via parachute, but it impacted with more force than the occupant could safely endure. Instead, the cosmonaut bailed out at an altitude of 4 miles and landed separately from the craft. So when the Soviets wanted to send a woman into space, they picked a "random factory worker" who also happened to be a competitive skydiver.
a cold wouldnt alter anything but maybe temperature and puls/breathing frequency. why would that data not be useful? they proved a woman can survive in space for some time. and what else would they "biomonitor" in the 60s?
she also did not eat her rations properly (i.e, eat all of meal one and not like the desert out of 4 of them) and also gave away the remainder to random that were in the nearby village
then went onto being incompetent in their government. the soviet space race was all moronic posturing.
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Calling russia snow-nigeria is an insult to nigeria.
How "factual" is that image is
Because i really want to save it to post whenever someone quetches about USSR>USA. But dont want to look like a fool if its literally a meme
alothough I do agree the US won the space race, USSR did land on venus and take pictures, which took the US 12 years to acomplish, but beside this they got BTFO.
>what i am getting at is that the soviet union launched trash into space so they can claim first place
You're pretty much right on the money.
The USSR would do something, then the US would do it in a way they knew wasn't going to blow up and proceed to collect actually useful data from the event.
The USSR's first space walk nearly ended in disaster with the cosmonaut's suit growing exceptionally stiff and hard to move in, to the point where they had to desperately vent the pressure or risk being completely unable to get back into the ship.
Laika, the first dog in space, was supposed to die when they ate the poison they'd left in her food for when she got to space, but instead, sensor readings showed slowly increasing temperatures and signs of panic, before temperatures rose to unsurvivable levels and she flatlined, with most of the data they gathered being more or less worthless anyways.
That's not to say the US never had issues with it's space program, but that is to say that they, at the very least, learned from those problems and took steps to overcome them, all while actually producing useful scientific data and minimizing the potential danger to the people they sent up.
>Laika was found as a stray wandering the streets of Moscow a week before the launch.
lmao even what the frick Russia
>At peak acceleration, Laika's respiration increased to between three and four times the pre-launch rate.[6] The sensors showed her heart rate was 103 beats/min before launch and increased to 240 beats/min during the early acceleration. After reaching orbit, Sputnik 2's nose cone was jettisoned successfully; however, the "Block A" core did not separate as planned, preventing the thermal control system from operating correctly. Some of the thermal insulation tore loose, raising the cabin temperature to 40 °C (104 °F).[12] After three hours of weightlessness, Laika's pulse rate had settled back to 102 beats/min,[20] three times longer than it had taken during earlier ground tests, an indication of the stress she was under. The early telemetry indicated that Laika was agitated but eating her food.[12] After approximately five to seven hours into the flight, no further signs of life were received from the spacecraft.[6]
poor dog tho
How "factual" is that image is
Because i really want to save it to post whenever someone quetches about USSR>USA. But dont want to look like a fool if its literally a meme
it's pretty factual. As others said the USSR landed on Venus which is pretty cool.
But you really don't need any other argument besides the moon landing. Nothing really comes even close to that, the scope and scale of that achievement is monumental, the greatest thing mankind has ever achieved to date. Then you throw in the fact no lives were lost (if you don't count apollo 1, which was a training accident), and it's even more incredible.
To use a metaphor, Yuri Gagarin was some guy on a fishing boat floating off the coast of spain never out of view of land. Neil Armstrong (and the other apollo guys) were Christopher fricking Columbus. Then of course you consider the fact Neil Armstrong landed MANUALLY, I'll say that again, he landed manually on the moon, and it's mind blowing. Soviets never achieved anything even remotely close.
There's a reason no other country has landed on the moon since the 1970s, and probably won't again until at least the 2070s. Although I'd give a China a pretty good chance, we'll see. Russia never will though.
Russians will never step foot on the moon, ever, unless a chink or american feels bad and decides to let them come.
Venus is the easy one honestly, you don't need to come in at any funny angles like on Mars (and thus risk slamming into the ground due to low atmosphere), you just need to build one strong enough to not inwardly collapse from the pressure (This happened as they built the last one that hit to only 45 atmospheres, but at least sent back confirmed CO2 detecion data) and have a thick as frick heatsheild, aim enough of them at the planet, then deploy a small parachute and GG.
Their first one to land after several failed attempts at launching to venus at all (Yes, several, almost a dozen failed to even do flybys bar one) to land was a fun time too >Venera 7's parachute failed shortly before landing very close to the surface. It impacted at 17 metres per second (56 ft/s) and toppled over, but survived >It's instruments failed and was only able to transmit temperature data >The world was able to gather atmospheric data via interferometry >Its batteries last 23 minutes doing this.
Overall I'm not impressed as they were basically throwing shit at the wall.
>There's a reason no other country has landed on the moon since the 1970s, and probably won't again until at least the 2070s.
I'm betting Elon Musk can do it by 2040. If the fricking Biden administration doesn't destroy his company, anyway.
The reason is that nobody really cares. Aside from dick waving rights, there isn’t much reason to put boots on the moon when a robot is much cheaper
https://i.imgur.com/sPeEWd4.png
>a brit made the internet while americans made literally what crap
Oh, you're talking about the WWW? Tim Berners-Lee built on a few dozen prior hypertext systems, the first of which ("memex") was conceptualized by Vannevar Bush (Amerifat) in the mid-1940s.
But "the internet" long predated the WWW. "The internet" has been a thing since the 1970s, and was created by DARPA. Here's a map of "the internet" in 1973.
As I said, “literally what” proto-internet tech. Stop wewuzzing, it’s embarrassing
Everything is slightly off about it, first animal in space? Americans experimenting with V2s sending chimps to their deaths in the late 40s.
First man in space was indeed caught up in one month, but what this overlooks is that the Soviet flight did several orbits, while the American one was a suborbital cope flight. The first american Orbital was almost a year later.
It also omits many soviet feats comperable to the american ones listed - probes to mercury, and venus for example, or their remarkable success with space stations like mir that paved the way to the ISS.
Overall it has the right idea though, pretending the soviets were leading in the space race after about 1963 is pure cope.
How "factual" is that image is
Because i really want to save it to post whenever someone quetches about USSR>USA. But dont want to look like a fool if its literally a meme
That list is omitting this one for some reason.
>On December 15, 1970 an unmanned Soviet spacecraft, Venera 7, became the first spacecraft to land on another planet.
Soviets technically beat us to Venus but the probe didnt last long seeing as how Venus is a caustic, acidic, and inhospitable hellscape. The footage was pretty cool though.
You say this as if they expected it or last long in the first place. My understanding is it lasted a bit longer than expected and gathered a shit ton of scientific data, genuinely an impressive feat of science and engineering.
>Calling russia snow-nigeria is an insult to nigeria.
Russia is called Snowmalia or Snowsamique possibly Snowdanga or Snongo. My favority is Snogo though.
Losing the space race doesn't make them comparable to a Black person-infested shithole. Some of yall are so carried away with hating vatniks it makes me worried about your health.
Every statistic on that list is either irrelevant (why is the population relevant?), wrong (male life expectancy isn’t that) or not that bad (if you want to see an atrocious gini index, look at the usa)
>I want to dismiss facts but I don't have anything to counter them. Better just call them irrelevant.
Even your bots are fricking disgustingly stupid, Russia. Get your shit together.
Sure, it’s a fact that 140 million or so people live in Russia. But, who the hell cares? The size of a country doesn’t have much to do with whether it’s a shithole.
You may as well bring up how many roadwheels russia and nigeria have at this point
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Anonymous
>trying to restart moronic nationalistic arguments just to bump your thread
talk about planes, lazy ass
You left out the nazis, who reached space first with the V2. Technically, the nazi engineers and scientists were also instrumental in both the Soviet and American space programs, with von Braun leading the Apollo program, and the Germans basically kickstarting and leading the Soviet space program until the early 50s.
And they've been using the same rocket since. Their one attempt at revolution collapsed along with the neglected hangar because there is no better description of Russia than [pretending past glories imply current dominance]. Not an empire, not a mighty union- a sham with a cheap facade.
That just makes it even funnier.
The guys who put first satellite, dog and man into orbit are now struggling technologically against the rest of the planet.
The only impressive thing the Soviets ever did was make a successful lander probe mission to Venus. Everything else they did was useless or irrelevant for the scientific community. Same thing with Soviet stealth technology, it took American engineers to realize an actual stealth plane while the Soviets just shit out a who cares concept and claimed they were the pioneers of stealth tech.
Weren't those the only way US astronauts could get to and back from the ISS for, like, a decade after the Space Shuttle was phased out? And currently only by purchasing the service from the private sector, with the Soyuz still remaining as the backbone of the project to this day?
Oldspace frickery. Last Space Shuttle mission was in 2011, and there already were attempts to switch to private providers, but first program to complement/replace the Shuttle from 2002 got nowhere, and Constellation got cancelled in 2010. Not to mention the whole deal with cancellation of X-33 in 2001, and X-38 in 2002 respectively.
First Dragon from Space X was already delivering cargo in 2010, but it took a decade before NASA got satisfied with Crew Dragon enough to launch a manned mission. Boeing Starliner didn't launched with any manned mission to this day. And Sierra Space spent past decade converting their Dream Chaser to delivery cargo (biggest NASA/BOEING crime of the 21st century).
X-38 Crew Return Vehicle, they are slowly restoring her in some hangar in Texas (after NASA let her rot outside for years).
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Anonymous
>slowly restoring her
I mean, that's great news compared to soviet super shuttles that can pilot themselves rotting in Kazakhstan or whatever until the roof collapses in upon them
That's literal ruin-dwellers tier
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Anonymous
That's nothing, there are still two more in Kazakhstan, that their owner only wants to exchange for the skull of some Kazakh kang.
And both X-34 spaceplanes that were meant to get restored and displayed in museum, are instead rotting on scrapyard in Commiefornia and every time someone tries to do something about it, lawyer appears and threatens them with a lawsuit.
Sorry, the “first interstellar junk award” goes to a different NASA probe. For the record, I’m not saying that it was junk from the start, but that it would become virtually useless before or “soon after” leaving the solar system
>Literally the opposite of the truth. In reality, most soviet republics were “welfare states” in that they got more than they gave back. They’re similar to certain american red states in that way
tThe majority of actually important work happened in places like Jena, far from the russian core.
>Gnns isn’t exclusive to america
GLONASS is substantially worse than everything else on the market. GPS >> Galileo > Starlink > Beidou > GLONASS.
>The internet wasn’t an American invention
it is.
http://enwp.org/List_of_Internet_pioneers
>places like jena (???) >glonass LE BAD because… umm.. it just is okay??? >a brit made the internet while americans made literally what crap
[...] >In reality, most soviet republics were “welfare states” in that they got more than they gave back.
Then why didn't Russia grow more powerful and successful after the leaches left?
Russia has gotten better, modulo privatization which ruined things for a while
Also keep in mind that most soviet republics are even worse off >Ukraine
Went to shit, but unlike russia, never recovered >moldova
Absolutely fricked >central asian micronations
Reverted to bride kidnapping >the baltics
Everyone is getting out, even to this day
No kidding, look up the net migration rates of latvia, lithuania and estonia
>a brit made the internet while americans made literally what crap
Oh, you're talking about the WWW? Tim Berners-Lee built on a few dozen prior hypertext systems, the first of which ("memex") was conceptualized by Vannevar Bush (Amerifat) in the mid-1940s.
But "the internet" long predated the WWW. "The internet" has been a thing since the 1970s, and was created by DARPA. Here's a map of "the internet" in 1973.
>places like jena (???)
Computing work was heavily concentrated in east germany. This was often true of other military-industrial r&d areas as well.
>glonass LE BAD because… umm.. it just is okay???
It has a lower node count (satellites in orbit) and lower accuracy than all those other constellations I listed. It is also notoriously unreliable. It is not LE BAD. It is utter shit, and this is objective fact.
>a brit made the internet while americans made literally what crap
The World Wide Web is not "the internet" and even timbl himself wouldn't agree with you about this. Hypertext was in development from 1945 onward.
It is clear that you do not know enough about the history of technology to be an effective troll here.
like jena (???) >Computing work was heavily concentrated in east germany. This was often true of other military-industrial r&d areas as well.
it wasn't though
LE BAD because… umm.. it just is okay??? >It has a lower node count (satellites in orbit) and lower accuracy than all those other constellations I listed. It is also notoriously unreliable. It is not LE BAD. It is utter shit, and this is objective fact.
fewer satellites - sure, but what impact does this have? the end user doesn't directly notice this
lower accuracy - try to do more research than skimming wikipedia articles until you run into a number. GNSS accuracy isn't as simple as "you always get such-and-such accuracy"
lack of reliability - even today? nope, stop making shit up
stop being a moron >>a brit made the internet while americans made literally what crap >The World Wide Web is not "the internet" and even timbl himself wouldn't agree with you about this. Hypertext was in development from 1945 onward.
very true sister! we americans created some networks nobody cares about (e.g. arpanet) irrelevant hypertext standards (e.g. project xanadu), therefore we wuz internet n sheit >It is clear that you do not know enough about the history of technology to be an effective troll here.
ironic coming from your stupid redditspacing ass
>fewer satellites - sure, but what impact does this have?
lower positioning resolution with higher uncertainty and latency, spotty coverage over many regions of the world.
>the end user doesn't directly notice this
they do, moments before they take the eternal flight.
>lack of reliability - even today? nope, stop making shit up
yes.
>stop being a moron
never speak for a decade or more. you'll learn something.
>very true sister!
you couldn't even pretend to respond to the content of the claim. pathetic. i should message tim and get him to record you a clip telling you how much of a fricktard you are.
>ironic coming from your stupid redditspacing ass
you are a moron, a loser, and nobody worth remembering. your trolling is unworthy of even the most limited level of recognition, because you actually want the things you're saying to be true. you failed the only essential precondition of the task: believe nothing. https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/58998239/#q58999321
>Everyone is getting out, even to this day >No kidding, look up the net migration rates of latvia, lithuania and estonia
Trends have reversed in last the few years, its positive now. And russia is in the negative, whoops.
The Czech Republic has well over twice the GDP per capita Russia does these days, but sure, the other Soviet Republics were totally just holding them back!
>Everyone is getting out, even to this day
They're getting out in droves because living in a small-frick-as-territory with SRBMs constantly pointed at their heads tends to scare people away, specially since they're painfully aware that they don't have the economy to amass a proper military force and the few people they have in their armies are gonna get steamrolled within hours by the biggest legion of moronic rapists since the Mongol Horde.
>In reality, most soviet republics were “welfare states” in that they got more than they gave back.
Then why didn't Russia grow more powerful and successful after the leaches left?
>The internet wasn’t an American invention >literally created by DARPA to network U.S. military communications in the event of a Soviet attack
sure thing Dmitri
>Calling Korolev “Ukrainian” is a stretch. Also what’s wrong with a country using its citizens?
Literally from my home city - Zhytomyr, Ukraine. We have his statute at the centre of the city for this reason.
I think your mind had to stretch far more to gobble so much reality bending.
All Russians did to Korolev was cripple him in gulags to the point where his jaw didn't work right. That's before his contributions to science btw.
Fricking Lysenkov piece of shit.
Ethnically, he was a mutt. You could call him Ukrainian, but calling him Russian, Polish, Belarusian or even Greek is equally credible. Him being born in Ukraine means very little unless you subscribe to the magic soil theory.
It’s astonishing how hard you people wewuz to claim that everyone and everything was ukrainian. Except for Lysenko, of course
Camera broke in the 2000s, but it still reports back with what it can.
> On Sept. 5, 2017, NASA marked the 40th anniversary of its launch, as it continues to communicate with NASA’s Deep Space Network and send data back from four still-functioning instruments—the cosmic ray telescope, the low-energy charged particles experiment, the magnetometer, and the plasma waves experiment.
Since it evolved into a space thread, let's talk about satellites constellations. We've seen the importance of SpaceX's Starlink for the war in Ukraine. USA is first to this, will China follow suit? And I know space is big, obviously, but is there even enough "space" if a may say so for many competitive sat constellations from various countries? I'm not talking about collisions or whatever, but more in terms of usable frequencies and shit. How many competitive constellations are doable?
the post above is bait
dont get baited you my fellow amerimutts
Hardened shelters for aviation? Unheard of!
What's that? Not F-16 definitely, some MiG/Su?
Su-24
is that some home depot caulk on the windows?
Yes. It just werks.
Nyet, avionics grade cosmoline. The good stuff that was never exported to the west.
Russia is not the Soviet Union no matter how much it wishes it was
Russia was the founding member and recognized successor state of the Soviet Union
The Soviet Union was a global super power and Russia is barely a regional power
>The Soviet Union was a global super power
I genuinely question this. Were they ever capable of conducting large scale operations abroad? I think not.
Still isn't the Sovet Union.
should have given it to ukraine. All of USSR's achievements were usually due to Ukraine. Not the Russian region.
that'll be the coup de grace on this whole war when they give the security council seat to ukraine (China might even be able to get talked into it because they took it from Taiwan in the 70s)
>should have given it to ukraine
Too much bloody baggage. We don't want it.
Perfect. It is yours
nooooooo
I mean, ussr under each вoждь is basically a different country. stalin's ussr isn't the same as 60s, or late 70s to 80s and is almost completely different from NEP times.
always has been an enforced slave nation, no matter who was at the top. We clearly see where that heritage is atm.
>All of USSR's achievements were usually due to Ukraine
This is some fricking bullshit. The Western parts were generally wealthier and the Ukrainians were a large portion of the population, but this doesn't take away from the fact that Russians alone had more population than the other republics combined and was the undisputable center of power. Think a little before posting literal NAFO tier takes.
>the Ukrainians were smarter than us
>but we had more meat
The T72 vs T80 is more proof that Russians are idiots.
>we dumb, but we many
orks
And the UK owned a third of the world. So what?
Cute!
Miltary base present =/= owning the whole country its people and resources.
>Afghanistan
>Yemen
>Syria
kek. Grasping at straws in a lot of that pink. Colonial authority is quite different from military 'presence'.
There are no US troops in France since 1966.
You seem to have omitted the gargantuan difference in size, population, and natural resources between both countries. One of which was bombed to shit and lost huge amounts of industry during WW2.
I think the british had a slightly firmer grip on canada and india than the US does on argentina, ghana and laos. That's the most disingenuous map I've ever seen, and I don't even like bongistan
How many of those countries does the USA collect taxes from, how many Americans sit in their parliaments/government buildings, how many American viceroys rule those territories and govern domestic policy.
A military presence that can be asked to leave at anytime does not an empire make.
Motherfricker, the US has a military presence in one spot in Cuba that technically isn't Cuba and a small logistics outpost in Colombia and nothing else. What the frick is this map
The USSR was an empire consisting of Russia stealing everything from all the other members while oppressing them and giving nothing in return.
which one? the hangar or the ladder?
Yes
Calling russia snow-nigeria is an insult to nigeria.
Nigeria literally has a future as long as they play ball with the international community. Oil money to fund their development, infrastructure, and hopefully improvements to democracy and standard of living.
i think this meme needs a a bit of work, for example the first satellite
>Sputnik 1
launched 4. october 1957 in orbit for 92 days
>Sputnik 2
launched 3. november 1957 in orbit for 162 days
>Explorer 1
launched 1. february 1958 in orbit for over 12 years
what i am getting at is that the soviet union launched trash into space so they can claim first place
>what i am getting at is that the soviet union launched trash into space so they can claim first place
This is exactly what happened, because they got info the US mission was almost ready. But first is first.
The first woman in space is an extreme example of this when you read what they did
>us mentions sending a woman into space
>USSR panics and picks random factory workers to train for a few weeks to be sent
>korolov et all know that this isn't a good idea as these women don't have the background for serious flight and they all are doing worse on training than previous cosmonauts so they make the orbiter 100% ground controlled
>don't even give her the override in case anything happens like they did with Gagarin (who didn't need to use it)
>decide to make the primary tests conducted to be about her health since that requires nothing on her part than existing
>send her up
>she immediately starts complaining the controls don't work when she's not told to do anything yet
>doesn't eat on time or do any of the things she's told to report on
>keeps unplugging her bio monitoring devices
>lands and they find out she had a cold during this, making what data they did get worthless since it was entirely about getting baseline measurements for a healthy female in space and how it effects them
>can't just sweep it under the rug because its been made into a political spectacle
>have to wait until the USSR falls to tell the world what a waste the endeavor was all because the politburo wanted something done immediately instead of correctly
The Vostok capsule didn't need a trained pilot. Yuri Gagarin's flight was 100% controlled from the ground, from start to finish. The Vostok capsule landed via parachute, but it impacted with more force than the occupant could safely endure. Instead, the cosmonaut bailed out at an altitude of 4 miles and landed separately from the craft. So when the Soviets wanted to send a woman into space, they picked a "random factory worker" who also happened to be a competitive skydiver.
Huh. She's still alive.
>In 2022, she voted for the Russian invasion of Ukraine, which led to numerous Western sanctions against her.
what a c**t
Yeah she was 100% a PR stunt that flew up and down more or less on autopilot.
The face of a Disney villain.
That's just Russian women over 40 in general.
>Disney villain.
Seriously, the first thing I thought of when I saw that image of her was "that's Cruella!"
>they find out she had a cold during this
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a cold wouldnt alter anything but maybe temperature and puls/breathing frequency. why would that data not be useful? they proved a woman can survive in space for some time. and what else would they "biomonitor" in the 60s?
she also did not eat her rations properly (i.e, eat all of meal one and not like the desert out of 4 of them) and also gave away the remainder to random that were in the nearby village
then went onto being incompetent in their government. the soviet space race was all moronic posturing.
alothough I do agree the US won the space race, USSR did land on venus and take pictures, which took the US 12 years to acomplish, but beside this they got BTFO.
It is what it is.
>what i am getting at is that the soviet union launched trash into space so they can claim first place
You're pretty much right on the money.
The USSR would do something, then the US would do it in a way they knew wasn't going to blow up and proceed to collect actually useful data from the event.
The USSR's first space walk nearly ended in disaster with the cosmonaut's suit growing exceptionally stiff and hard to move in, to the point where they had to desperately vent the pressure or risk being completely unable to get back into the ship.
Laika, the first dog in space, was supposed to die when they ate the poison they'd left in her food for when she got to space, but instead, sensor readings showed slowly increasing temperatures and signs of panic, before temperatures rose to unsurvivable levels and she flatlined, with most of the data they gathered being more or less worthless anyways.
That's not to say the US never had issues with it's space program, but that is to say that they, at the very least, learned from those problems and took steps to overcome them, all while actually producing useful scientific data and minimizing the potential danger to the people they sent up.
Sputnik 2 produced useful scientific data though
>Laika
>Laika was found as a stray wandering the streets of Moscow a week before the launch.
lmao even what the frick Russia
>At peak acceleration, Laika's respiration increased to between three and four times the pre-launch rate.[6] The sensors showed her heart rate was 103 beats/min before launch and increased to 240 beats/min during the early acceleration. After reaching orbit, Sputnik 2's nose cone was jettisoned successfully; however, the "Block A" core did not separate as planned, preventing the thermal control system from operating correctly. Some of the thermal insulation tore loose, raising the cabin temperature to 40 °C (104 °F).[12] After three hours of weightlessness, Laika's pulse rate had settled back to 102 beats/min,[20] three times longer than it had taken during earlier ground tests, an indication of the stress she was under. The early telemetry indicated that Laika was agitated but eating her food.[12] After approximately five to seven hours into the flight, no further signs of life were received from the spacecraft.[6]
poor dog tho
Forst space station is actually important. Otherwise agreed.
How "factual" is that image is
Because i really want to save it to post whenever someone quetches about USSR>USA. But dont want to look like a fool if its literally a meme
it's pretty factual. As others said the USSR landed on Venus which is pretty cool.
But you really don't need any other argument besides the moon landing. Nothing really comes even close to that, the scope and scale of that achievement is monumental, the greatest thing mankind has ever achieved to date. Then you throw in the fact no lives were lost (if you don't count apollo 1, which was a training accident), and it's even more incredible.
To use a metaphor, Yuri Gagarin was some guy on a fishing boat floating off the coast of spain never out of view of land. Neil Armstrong (and the other apollo guys) were Christopher fricking Columbus. Then of course you consider the fact Neil Armstrong landed MANUALLY, I'll say that again, he landed manually on the moon, and it's mind blowing. Soviets never achieved anything even remotely close.
There's a reason no other country has landed on the moon since the 1970s, and probably won't again until at least the 2070s. Although I'd give a China a pretty good chance, we'll see. Russia never will though.
Russians will never step foot on the moon, ever, unless a chink or american feels bad and decides to let them come.
>Mankind achieved
No America achieved the rest of the world had no part of it
Think in terms of species. Not nations.
Nah the third world isn't my equal in any way shape or form. And I won't pretend that the people that hate me are worthy of my time and praise
If you wanna go about it like that, ok
Yep everyone is tired of your pets
Venus is the easy one honestly, you don't need to come in at any funny angles like on Mars (and thus risk slamming into the ground due to low atmosphere), you just need to build one strong enough to not inwardly collapse from the pressure (This happened as they built the last one that hit to only 45 atmospheres, but at least sent back confirmed CO2 detecion data) and have a thick as frick heatsheild, aim enough of them at the planet, then deploy a small parachute and GG.
Their first one to land after several failed attempts at launching to venus at all (Yes, several, almost a dozen failed to even do flybys bar one) to land was a fun time too
>Venera 7's parachute failed shortly before landing very close to the surface. It impacted at 17 metres per second (56 ft/s) and toppled over, but survived
>It's instruments failed and was only able to transmit temperature data
>The world was able to gather atmospheric data via interferometry
>Its batteries last 23 minutes doing this.
Overall I'm not impressed as they were basically throwing shit at the wall.
>There's a reason no other country has landed on the moon since the 1970s, and probably won't again until at least the 2070s.
I'm betting Elon Musk can do it by 2040. If the fricking Biden administration doesn't destroy his company, anyway.
The reason is that nobody really cares. Aside from dick waving rights, there isn’t much reason to put boots on the moon when a robot is much cheaper
As I said, “literally what” proto-internet tech. Stop wewuzzing, it’s embarrassing
Everything is slightly off about it, first animal in space? Americans experimenting with V2s sending chimps to their deaths in the late 40s.
First man in space was indeed caught up in one month, but what this overlooks is that the Soviet flight did several orbits, while the American one was a suborbital cope flight. The first american Orbital was almost a year later.
It also omits many soviet feats comperable to the american ones listed - probes to mercury, and venus for example, or their remarkable success with space stations like mir that paved the way to the ISS.
Overall it has the right idea though, pretending the soviets were leading in the space race after about 1963 is pure cope.
That list is omitting this one for some reason.
>On December 15, 1970 an unmanned Soviet spacecraft, Venera 7, became the first spacecraft to land on another planet.
Soviets technically beat us to Venus but the probe didnt last long seeing as how Venus is a caustic, acidic, and inhospitable hellscape. The footage was pretty cool though.
>Venus is a caustic, acidic, and inhospitable hellscape
>russia sent probes to the only place in the solar system worse than russia
You say this as if they expected it or last long in the first place. My understanding is it lasted a bit longer than expected and gathered a shit ton of scientific data, genuinely an impressive feat of science and engineering.
The Venera program was cursed as hell. What's impressive is that they continued to throw money at it until it finally gave results.
It annoys me that people don't acknowledge venera and vega
>first to Uranus
They shouldve put a chechen in charge of the soviet space program, they wouldve sent a chechen to uranus in 1969
to make it even more funny, USSR only got soo far by literally getting a Ukrainian from gulag
not to mention that he got sent to gulag by his russian rival in the first place
>Calling russia snow-nigeria is an insult to nigeria.
Russia is called Snowmalia or Snowsamique possibly Snowdanga or Snongo. My favority is Snogo though.
>Pogo in Snogo
This unironically. If you ever been to Nairaland, you would notice that they are not much different from white people, unlike russians.
Losing the space race doesn't make them comparable to a Black person-infested shithole. Some of yall are so carried away with hating vatniks it makes me worried about your health.
You're right. It's a plethora of things
Every statistic on that list is either irrelevant (why is the population relevant?), wrong (male life expectancy isn’t that) or not that bad (if you want to see an atrocious gini index, look at the usa)
>I want to dismiss facts but I don't have anything to counter them. Better just call them irrelevant.
Even your bots are fricking disgustingly stupid, Russia. Get your shit together.
Sure, it’s a fact that 140 million or so people live in Russia. But, who the hell cares? The size of a country doesn’t have much to do with whether it’s a shithole.
You may as well bring up how many roadwheels russia and nigeria have at this point
>trying to restart moronic nationalistic arguments just to bump your thread
talk about planes, lazy ass
>first to uranus
oi, my anus is still virgin, you russian double-agent
You left out the nazis, who reached space first with the V2. Technically, the nazi engineers and scientists were also instrumental in both the Soviet and American space programs, with von Braun leading the Apollo program, and the Germans basically kickstarting and leading the Soviet space program until the early 50s.
And they've been using the same rocket since. Their one attempt at revolution collapsed along with the neglected hangar because there is no better description of Russia than [pretending past glories imply current dominance]. Not an empire, not a mighty union- a sham with a cheap facade.
That just makes it even funnier.
The guys who put first satellite, dog and man into orbit are now struggling technologically against the rest of the planet.
The only impressive thing the Soviets ever did was make a successful lander probe mission to Venus. Everything else they did was useless or irrelevant for the scientific community. Same thing with Soviet stealth technology, it took American engineers to realize an actual stealth plane while the Soviets just shit out a who cares concept and claimed they were the pioneers of stealth tech.
Ukraine won the space race
Korolov was Ukrainian
America mogged Russia in space regarding everything that's actually useful (GPS, weather, communication, etc)
This is a Soviet spacecraft (1967)
Weren't those the only way US astronauts could get to and back from the ISS for, like, a decade after the Space Shuttle was phased out? And currently only by purchasing the service from the private sector, with the Soyuz still remaining as the backbone of the project to this day?
Oldspace frickery. Last Space Shuttle mission was in 2011, and there already were attempts to switch to private providers, but first program to complement/replace the Shuttle from 2002 got nowhere, and Constellation got cancelled in 2010. Not to mention the whole deal with cancellation of X-33 in 2001, and X-38 in 2002 respectively.
First Dragon from Space X was already delivering cargo in 2010, but it took a decade before NASA got satisfied with Crew Dragon enough to launch a manned mission. Boeing Starliner didn't launched with any manned mission to this day. And Sierra Space spent past decade converting their Dream Chaser to delivery cargo (biggest NASA/BOEING crime of the 21st century).
>cancelled at 90%
I will never not be mad
Which project is this?
X-38 Crew Return Vehicle, they are slowly restoring her in some hangar in Texas (after NASA let her rot outside for years).
>slowly restoring her
I mean, that's great news compared to soviet super shuttles that can pilot themselves rotting in Kazakhstan or whatever until the roof collapses in upon them
That's literal ruin-dwellers tier
That's nothing, there are still two more in Kazakhstan, that their owner only wants to exchange for the skull of some Kazakh kang.
And both X-34 spaceplanes that were meant to get restored and displayed in museum, are instead rotting on scrapyard in Commiefornia and every time someone tries to do something about it, lawyer appears and threatens them with a lawsuit.
This is a Russian spacecraft (2024)
Sorry, the “first interstellar junk award” goes to a different NASA probe. For the record, I’m not saying that it was junk from the start, but that it would become virtually useless before or “soon after” leaving the solar system
>Literally the opposite of the truth. In reality, most soviet republics were “welfare states” in that they got more than they gave back. They’re similar to certain american red states in that way
tThe majority of actually important work happened in places like Jena, far from the russian core.
>Gnns isn’t exclusive to america
GLONASS is substantially worse than everything else on the market. GPS >> Galileo > Starlink > Beidou > GLONASS.
>The internet wasn’t an American invention
it is.
http://enwp.org/List_of_Internet_pioneers
>places like jena (???)
>glonass LE BAD because… umm.. it just is okay???
>a brit made the internet while americans made literally what crap
Russia has gotten better, modulo privatization which ruined things for a while
Also keep in mind that most soviet republics are even worse off
>Ukraine
Went to shit, but unlike russia, never recovered
>moldova
Absolutely fricked
>central asian micronations
Reverted to bride kidnapping
>the baltics
Everyone is getting out, even to this day
No kidding, look up the net migration rates of latvia, lithuania and estonia
>a brit made the internet while americans made literally what crap
Oh, you're talking about the WWW? Tim Berners-Lee built on a few dozen prior hypertext systems, the first of which ("memex") was conceptualized by Vannevar Bush (Amerifat) in the mid-1940s.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_hypertext
But "the internet" long predated the WWW. "The internet" has been a thing since the 1970s, and was created by DARPA. Here's a map of "the internet" in 1973.
>places like jena (???)
Computing work was heavily concentrated in east germany. This was often true of other military-industrial r&d areas as well.
>glonass LE BAD because… umm.. it just is okay???
It has a lower node count (satellites in orbit) and lower accuracy than all those other constellations I listed. It is also notoriously unreliable. It is not LE BAD. It is utter shit, and this is objective fact.
>a brit made the internet while americans made literally what crap
The World Wide Web is not "the internet" and even timbl himself wouldn't agree with you about this. Hypertext was in development from 1945 onward.
It is clear that you do not know enough about the history of technology to be an effective troll here.
like jena (???)
>Computing work was heavily concentrated in east germany. This was often true of other military-industrial r&d areas as well.
it wasn't though
LE BAD because… umm.. it just is okay???
>It has a lower node count (satellites in orbit) and lower accuracy than all those other constellations I listed. It is also notoriously unreliable. It is not LE BAD. It is utter shit, and this is objective fact.
fewer satellites - sure, but what impact does this have? the end user doesn't directly notice this
lower accuracy - try to do more research than skimming wikipedia articles until you run into a number. GNSS accuracy isn't as simple as "you always get such-and-such accuracy"
lack of reliability - even today? nope, stop making shit up
stop being a moron
>>a brit made the internet while americans made literally what crap
>The World Wide Web is not "the internet" and even timbl himself wouldn't agree with you about this. Hypertext was in development from 1945 onward.
very true sister! we americans created some networks nobody cares about (e.g. arpanet) irrelevant hypertext standards (e.g. project xanadu), therefore we wuz internet n sheit
>It is clear that you do not know enough about the history of technology to be an effective troll here.
ironic coming from your stupid redditspacing ass
>it wasn't though
it was.
>fewer satellites - sure, but what impact does this have?
lower positioning resolution with higher uncertainty and latency, spotty coverage over many regions of the world.
>the end user doesn't directly notice this
they do, moments before they take the eternal flight.
>lack of reliability - even today? nope, stop making shit up
yes.
>stop being a moron
never speak for a decade or more. you'll learn something.
>very true sister!
you couldn't even pretend to respond to the content of the claim. pathetic. i should message tim and get him to record you a clip telling you how much of a fricktard you are.
>ironic coming from your stupid redditspacing ass
you are a moron, a loser, and nobody worth remembering. your trolling is unworthy of even the most limited level of recognition, because you actually want the things you're saying to be true. you failed the only essential precondition of the task: believe nothing. https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/58998239/#q58999321
homosexual
>Everyone is getting out, even to this day
>No kidding, look up the net migration rates of latvia, lithuania and estonia
Trends have reversed in last the few years, its positive now. And russia is in the negative, whoops.
The Czech Republic has well over twice the GDP per capita Russia does these days, but sure, the other Soviet Republics were totally just holding them back!
>The Baltics
Yeah, because people have easy access to the likes of Norway. Lithuania's GDP per capita is more than twice that of Russia's.
>Everyone is getting out, even to this day
They're getting out in droves because living in a small-frick-as-territory with SRBMs constantly pointed at their heads tends to scare people away, specially since they're painfully aware that they don't have the economy to amass a proper military force and the few people they have in their armies are gonna get steamrolled within hours by the biggest legion of moronic rapists since the Mongol Horde.
>In reality, most soviet republics were “welfare states” in that they got more than they gave back.
Then why didn't Russia grow more powerful and successful after the leaches left?
>bee has only four legs
blyaaaaat
>The internet wasn’t an American invention
>literally created by DARPA to network U.S. military communications in the event of a Soviet attack
sure thing Dmitri
Not just that, modern electronics flow directly from American inventions. America build the modern world, foreigners. Bow down to your Senpai.
NTI (not the internet)
And Indians created decimal numbers and arabs created algebra. I don’t see you bowing down to streetshitters and goatfrickers though
We honor all great geniuses of all places. However, that is your past, America is your present and your future. There is no alternative to America.
Black person as much as you'd like it, us =/= western culture
It is
>Calling Korolev “Ukrainian” is a stretch. Also what’s wrong with a country using its citizens?
Literally from my home city - Zhytomyr, Ukraine. We have his statute at the centre of the city for this reason.
I think your mind had to stretch far more to gobble so much reality bending.
All Russians did to Korolev was cripple him in gulags to the point where his jaw didn't work right. That's before his contributions to science btw.
Fricking Lysenkov piece of shit.
Ethnically, he was a mutt. You could call him Ukrainian, but calling him Russian, Polish, Belarusian or even Greek is equally credible. Him being born in Ukraine means very little unless you subscribe to the magic soil theory.
It’s astonishing how hard you people wewuz to claim that everyone and everything was ukrainian. Except for Lysenko, of course
Do you think Igor Sikorsky was Ukrainian because he was born in Kyiv?
Stalin was Georgian, and Khrushchev was Russian. Deal with it.
>voyager 1
>space junk
unironically kys, we still recieve info from VOY1
isn’t it, like, a picture of the earth being a small blue pixel? It’s something but not much more than nothing
Camera broke in the 2000s, but it still reports back with what it can.
> On Sept. 5, 2017, NASA marked the 40th anniversary of its launch, as it continues to communicate with NASA’s Deep Space Network and send data back from four still-functioning instruments—the cosmic ray telescope, the low-energy charged particles experiment, the magnetometer, and the plasma waves experiment.
Since it evolved into a space thread, let's talk about satellites constellations. We've seen the importance of SpaceX's Starlink for the war in Ukraine. USA is first to this, will China follow suit? And I know space is big, obviously, but is there even enough "space" if a may say so for many competitive sat constellations from various countries? I'm not talking about collisions or whatever, but more in terms of usable frequencies and shit. How many competitive constellations are doable?
implessive
"lol", said the US bunker buster bomb, "lmao"