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I really like it. Its like a mini-M249.
Why are SAWs generally so huge even in calibers like 5.56? Just overbuilt to maintain a massive volume of fire?
Not him, but what exactly needs to be big and heavy in an MG to sustain a high ROF? It’s just the barrel right? Maybe a slightly overbuilt bolt and carrier, but that’s adding a couple ounces at most. So where does the rest of the weight (over their standard rifle counterparts) come from?
To some extend, everything. Bigger bolt carrier means more reciprocating mass, means a strengthened receiver to handle it. More rounds fired quickly means more heat being dumped into the gas system, so that needs beefed too. The belt feed adds weight too since mag feeding on a rifle just involves a spring. Issued MGs reach round counts in a year that issued rifles can take decades to reach, so the whole gun is reinforced to accommodate that.
Yes, the SAW is extremely overbuilt for 5.56.
There were lighter 5.56 MGs before the M249 was even in testing. And many others have been made since.
The M249 is just the most durable.
The SAW was originally designed for .308, anon. They revamped it for .223 to meet the US Army's requirements for a light MG. The new version can be chambered for either with a conversion kit.
The latest generation/batch of 5.56 MGs aren’t all that big or heavy. Check out the KAC LAMG and the FN evolys. The LAMG is sub 10 pounds. Sig’s xm250 in 6.8x51 is something like 13lbs IIRC. So yeah, no reason MGs have to be big and heavy in current year. We could probably even unify the MG with the automatic rifle into a universal service weapon with a heavy barrel, constant recoil, and fed from Quattro-15 style quad stack ~60-80rd mags.
Ukraine didn't have barrel manufacturing before the war. Only Mayak(former tape recorder factory) and KBA could do it, but only halvanically in Mayak case+the barrel has to fit into halvanic bath built for PCBs, and KBA specialises mainly on automatic cannons, so not exactly their caliber, and they can only make relatively small batches. That is why any new barrel manufacturing is good.
Stoner didn't trust the Army to be fair in testing for the SAW trials, because they had their own gun in the running.
Turned out the Army's MG lost anyhow because Ford Engineers fricked it up after a production hand-off, so the FN Minimi won anyhow and Stoner screwed himself for no reason.
>thinking that the Stoner 63 had a snowballs chance in hell
The Stoner 63 was a hunk of shit, there's a reason why nobody ever adopted it. >Stoner >long stroke piston >Marine testing found that the rifle was less reliable than the M16A1 >Marine testing found the MG was less reliable than the M60 >two of the most unreliable weapons in US military history and you frick up even worse
HOW.
>Marine testing
They ordered something like 300,000 of them IIRC, until MacNamara and the Army said no, you're going to use the same bang stick as everyone else. I recall reading this in an interview with James Sullivan, who assisted Stoner in the design. Where do you recall reading about the Marines finding the Stoner 63 was such a dog?
>Where do you recall reading about the Marines finding the Stoner 63 was such a dog?
Source: his ass, the Stoner 63 was considered outstandingly reliable if only a little complex by the Navy Seals who were putting these guns through a lot more use than the Marines. They were literally just too expensive and had too many parts for moronic marines. Sour grapes at its finest.
Assuming this is even domestic which I don't believe it is, I think maybe they need to focus on making one thing. They utterly failed to mass issue the Tavor and Negev even though they had a full decade, even in brigades that are meant to be 100% tavor they're still mixed with AK74s and its seems like barely anybody is using the Negev. So maybe forget knocking off obscure failed american designs or at least save it until the war is over.
tom segura?
You mean an ARES Shrike from like 20 years ago?
It's probably a Ukrainian domestic copy, being very similar in layout but all the proportions are kinda wonky
No, looks like a fairly normal MCR upper which is what the strike morphed into when they were bought out
>ARES Shrike
damn. now I want to play Jagged Alliance 2 again.
Or an MCR upper
send. to me I will testing of
fricking ESL idiot
hehe u mad but they send to me an email wherein they said to ship it to my for test
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grandpa hes joking calm down take your meds
>being this fricking new
Kys zoomer moron.
5.45 chuds on suicide watch
>barrel carry handle for a 5.56
oh look at mr asbestos hands over here too cool for handles
>oh look at mr asbestos hands over here too cool for handles
>oh look at mr asbestos hands over here too cool for handles
It's for quick detach barrel replacement
It's needed for a full auto
Who are you the original m60 machine gun designer who also owned an asbestos glove company
It might be the handle you twist to change out the barrel
homie its not a carry handle
Dual-purpose.
pkm doesnt have a quick change barrel
>carry handle so far forward its not even close to the center of balance
clearly not a carry handle moron
Make a belt fed AR-15
Many such cases
Looks comfy as frick
Welp, found the next bonus weapon in the inevitable Ukraine War video game.
I really like it. Its like a mini-M249.
Why are SAWs generally so huge even in calibers like 5.56? Just overbuilt to maintain a massive volume of fire?
>just overbuilt to maintain a massive volume of fire
This and only this. Machine guns sustain outrageous amounts of abuse
Not him, but what exactly needs to be big and heavy in an MG to sustain a high ROF? It’s just the barrel right? Maybe a slightly overbuilt bolt and carrier, but that’s adding a couple ounces at most. So where does the rest of the weight (over their standard rifle counterparts) come from?
To some extend, everything. Bigger bolt carrier means more reciprocating mass, means a strengthened receiver to handle it. More rounds fired quickly means more heat being dumped into the gas system, so that needs beefed too. The belt feed adds weight too since mag feeding on a rifle just involves a spring. Issued MGs reach round counts in a year that issued rifles can take decades to reach, so the whole gun is reinforced to accommodate that.
Yes, the SAW is extremely overbuilt for 5.56.
There were lighter 5.56 MGs before the M249 was even in testing. And many others have been made since.
The M249 is just the most durable.
The SAW was originally designed for .308, anon. They revamped it for .223 to meet the US Army's requirements for a light MG. The new version can be chambered for either with a conversion kit.
The latest generation/batch of 5.56 MGs aren’t all that big or heavy. Check out the KAC LAMG and the FN evolys. The LAMG is sub 10 pounds. Sig’s xm250 in 6.8x51 is something like 13lbs IIRC. So yeah, no reason MGs have to be big and heavy in current year. We could probably even unify the MG with the automatic rifle into a universal service weapon with a heavy barrel, constant recoil, and fed from Quattro-15 style quad stack ~60-80rd mags.
>prototype of something that's been done 1000 times
wow!
Ukraine didn't have barrel manufacturing before the war. Only Mayak(former tape recorder factory) and KBA could do it, but only halvanically in Mayak case+the barrel has to fit into halvanic bath built for PCBs, and KBA specialises mainly on automatic cannons, so not exactly their caliber, and they can only make relatively small batches. That is why any new barrel manufacturing is good.
Where do Fort get their barrels?
No sl*v or eurogay designed garbage will ever compare to the one true SAW
My ancestor 🙂
Pure sex. Best MG ever made.
dubs confirms
Im hoping someone adopts them to replace their aging minimis/m249 $20 says the muhreens will do it
Doesn't it have reliability issues?
why did the stoner always get the short end of the stick? isn't it supposed to be an amazing saw?
Stoner didn't trust the Army to be fair in testing for the SAW trials, because they had their own gun in the running.
Turned out the Army's MG lost anyhow because Ford Engineers fricked it up after a production hand-off, so the FN Minimi won anyhow and Stoner screwed himself for no reason.
>thinking that the Stoner 63 had a snowballs chance in hell
The Stoner 63 was a hunk of shit, there's a reason why nobody ever adopted it.
>Stoner
>long stroke piston
>Marine testing found that the rifle was less reliable than the M16A1
>Marine testing found the MG was less reliable than the M60
>two of the most unreliable weapons in US military history and you frick up even worse
HOW.
>Marine testing
They ordered something like 300,000 of them IIRC, until MacNamara and the Army said no, you're going to use the same bang stick as everyone else. I recall reading this in an interview with James Sullivan, who assisted Stoner in the design. Where do you recall reading about the Marines finding the Stoner 63 was such a dog?
>Where do you recall reading about the Marines finding the Stoner 63 was such a dog?
Source: his ass, the Stoner 63 was considered outstandingly reliable if only a little complex by the Navy Seals who were putting these guns through a lot more use than the Marines. They were literally just too expensive and had too many parts for moronic marines. Sour grapes at its finest.
>absolute lemon that even got SEALs killed because of its unreliability
It's a cool concept but wasn't used much for a reason
Saw has already reached its final form, it's called lamg
>Allegedly a prototype
knockoff*
They could've used the billions of ameribux to buy real ones.
Ukraine has a rich history of building literally anything of note that the Soviets actually used. Not surprised they want domestic production.
Assuming this is even domestic which I don't believe it is, I think maybe they need to focus on making one thing. They utterly failed to mass issue the Tavor and Negev even though they had a full decade, even in brigades that are meant to be 100% tavor they're still mixed with AK74s and its seems like barely anybody is using the Negev. So maybe forget knocking off obscure failed american designs or at least save it until the war is over.
Where is my Ultimax