Simple and cheap rocket artillery that flies farther than mortars and saturates an area in a small amount of time.
Inferior to western derivatives and guided weapons but there is a reason why much of the world still uses these things, including some NATO nations.
I stated NATO nations, not western.
Of course poorgay and former east-bloc nations would still use these things. It’s also not like many of them have the resources to developed newer and better alternatives that won’t break the bank or can complete with something else.
Just look at how many HIMARS and worst Korean knock-offs Poland is purchasing. The BM-21 and similar systems are inferior to new western stuff, like I stated, but they are still “justasgood” for some countries.
A BM-21 has 40 tubes. >(50/700)^2 = 0.005 >.995^40 = 0.82
A BM-21 barrage (ignoring cluster munition) covers 1.5 sqkm and within that a kill zone of 18%, not negligible but useless against a non-WW2/1 war. Just a single one.
It's better as AD than to kill effectively but it still can be catastrophic.
>yes sir, only one hmmv again. >Weird, and they had ladders taped to a rack again >Yeah, 8th time this week, should we...
I refuse to do math I'm not paid for so no, but while the dispersal of launch sites, even if relatively close to each other, could really frick the kz, not to mention salvos possibly missing entirely.
It'd be cool to see them acting as a mobile screening platforms for a push extended over a certain area.
Say 4 in a column advancing in line with others, attempting to either lay smoke or a rolling barrage for advancing mech inf and armor on thermals, but manning and shit.
why would you assume the hmmwvgrad would be used like bm-21? They will probably roll up a few hundred yards away and direct fire them. I know that wont make it any more effective, but it will make it a lot cooler to watch
It depends on the quality of the rockets and the type of target. It should work against some not-so-much-protected positions. Vietnamese did some damage to the US airfields even with a single rocket tube.
what in the frick is it with Eastern euros and goddamn grads?
There has been HMMVs with rocKet launch systems mounted on them in the past and into the present, namely in Iraq and some other Arab locales.
Turns out a HMMV is a more capable chassis to mount a MLRS that your typical Hilux or Mazda pick up.
it was the main(and almost only) self-propelled artillery system of the soviet union during their most active years, they were making those rockets by the million so everyone has them and they cost like artillery shells.
same story with the 2S1s and D-12s - they got mass produced during the 70s and stayed into the 80s and post collapse so they are everywhere unlike the later on systems that soviets made in late 70s and 80s as those have still been stuck in russin inventory until the current war and they were produced in more limited numbers due to greater size, cost and the economic downturn of the 80s.
Gradually you will also become a grad. Why do you think they say congradulations at graduations? You are already on the gradient. I hope you will be a PrSM capable chad grad, not a craft built sad grad, but a rad grad.
>warno
This war basically already is warno, from the kit used to the soul-draining static attritional warfare. Except that in warno the fact that it's no longer fun is the French's fault rather than the Russians.
ok
How effective are Grad's anyway these days?
Simple and cheap rocket artillery that flies farther than mortars and saturates an area in a small amount of time.
Inferior to western derivatives and guided weapons but there is a reason why much of the world still uses these things, including some NATO nations.
the "western nations" that use Grads are extremely limited in number and exclusively poorgay formerly Warpact nations
I stated NATO nations, not western.
Of course poorgay and former east-bloc nations would still use these things. It’s also not like many of them have the resources to developed newer and better alternatives that won’t break the bank or can complete with something else.
Just look at how many HIMARS and worst Korean knock-offs Poland is purchasing. The BM-21 and similar systems are inferior to new western stuff, like I stated, but they are still “justasgood” for some countries.
it has 700m CEP, a rocket has 50m kill radius
you can calculate its effectiveness yourself
A BM-21 has 40 tubes.
>(50/700)^2 = 0.005
>.995^40 = 0.82
A BM-21 barrage (ignoring cluster munition) covers 1.5 sqkm and within that a kill zone of 18%, not negligible but useless against a non-WW2/1 war. Just a single one.
It's better as AD than to kill effectively but it still can be catastrophic.
One last thing, the real CEP for unguided rockets is around 1%. Nowadays with drones and GPS helps you can aim without wasting 40 missiles.
For arty (in good condition) is 0.3-0.5%. (iirc)
>yes sir, only one hmmv again.
>Weird, and they had ladders taped to a rack again
>Yeah, 8th time this week, should we...
I refuse to do math I'm not paid for so no, but while the dispersal of launch sites, even if relatively close to each other, could really frick the kz, not to mention salvos possibly missing entirely.
It'd be cool to see them acting as a mobile screening platforms for a push extended over a certain area.
Say 4 in a column advancing in line with others, attempting to either lay smoke or a rolling barrage for advancing mech inf and armor on thermals, but manning and shit.
why would you assume the hmmwvgrad would be used like bm-21? They will probably roll up a few hundred yards away and direct fire them. I know that wont make it any more effective, but it will make it a lot cooler to watch
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It depends on the quality of the rockets and the type of target. It should work against some not-so-much-protected positions. Vietnamese did some damage to the US airfields even with a single rocket tube.
What a time to be alive
There has been HMMVs with rocKet launch systems mounted on them in the past and into the present, namely in Iraq and some other Arab locales.
Turns out a HMMV is a more capable chassis to mount a MLRS that your typical Hilux or Mazda pick up.
much more cleanly done than any of the russian/donwabian abominations
nebelwerfer 2020
That “nebelwerfer” has been around for 60 years. Standard issue among poor and developing countries.
what in the frick is it with Eastern euros and goddamn grads?
They inherited a lot of them, no really wants to buy em, they aren't totally useless, nor are they very vulnerable, might as well use em.
it was the main(and almost only) self-propelled artillery system of the soviet union during their most active years, they were making those rockets by the million so everyone has them and they cost like artillery shells.
same story with the 2S1s and D-12s - they got mass produced during the 70s and stayed into the 80s and post collapse so they are everywhere unlike the later on systems that soviets made in late 70s and 80s as those have still been stuck in russin inventory until the current war and they were produced in more limited numbers due to greater size, cost and the economic downturn of the 80s.
Gradually you will also become a grad. Why do you think they say congradulations at graduations? You are already on the gradient. I hope you will be a PrSM capable chad grad, not a craft built sad grad, but a rad grad.
I don't hate it.
just like the good ole days with the bm13 rockets on the Studebaker chassis
This war is so fricking kno for a warno type game
Imagine the meme decks
>warno
This war basically already is warno, from the kit used to the soul-draining static attritional warfare. Except that in warno the fact that it's no longer fun is the French's fault rather than the Russians.