So, if Ukraine ends this war as a NATO member, is the Ukraine-Russian border basically going to be a Korean DMZ situation?
"Ukraine's Place is in NATO"
So, if Ukraine ends this war as a NATO member, is the Ukraine-Russian border basically going to be a Korean DMZ situation?
>Add the poorest country in Europe to NATO just to bring the world closer to WW3
There is absolutely 0 chance Ukraine will realign with Russia. There is no reason to bother letting Ukraine into NATO. They will be a NATO affiliate but never an equal partner.
>Bring the world closer to WW3
Who would care? After this war, Russia will cease existing as a single unified country win or lose. China certainly won't give a frick, and the middle east is a continent away.
Yeah what could go wrong with multiple litteral who slavic potatoBlack person countries splitting up the world's largest nuclear stockpile? Splitting up Russia is a dumb decision. The entire war in Ukraine is literally because the Soviet Union split up. Splitting things up is obviously not a net improvement on the region
Doesn't matter when its an inevitability either way.
The soviets fricked themselves, now the russian federation is fricking themselves much the same way. Its the Post-Post-Commie-Apocalypse incoming.
Clearly anyone in the slavic region having any power was a mistake. The soviets were a mistake that we are still paying for as a species. The best solution is not to capitualte to slavic demands, but rather remove slavic abilities to do anything that could affect the rest of the planet or bring them forth from their soviet destitution to be productive members of global society. Russia doesn't want to better itself and so it will crumble, and we will all be better for it.
Should have let the nazis win, eh?
They were on good terms with all so-called "slavic nations" since they knew that a "slavic race" never existed
unironically yes
Yes
why do you hate me so much q.q
Russian nukes aren't floating around; they're stored at a limited number of bases. Material proliferation is a bigger risk, as the only people who can effectively maintain nukes are nuclear or near nuke powers themselves and Russia does have a PAL equivalent.
If things are to be believed about all of Russia's posturing with their nuclear stockpiles are are currently nukes stationed in Belarus (If Russia collapsed right now then Belarus just got free nukes) and their nuclear forces are on alert meaning theyve probably dispersed their road mobile launch systems meaning however the breakup goes there could be multiple nukes ending up in different territories should things balkanize
I unironically wouldn't be surprised if they were dispersed right to US glowies who have dispersed them into a nice, safe storage facility.
>The entire war in Ukraine is literally because the Soviet Union split up.
The Soviet Union isn't invading Germany & France exactly because the Soviet Union split up. Instead Russia fights a smaller war with smaller consequences. Obvious win for Europe; you have brain damage.
Smaller states can't afford to maintain as much of a nuclear stockpile, and are more likely to balkanize and nuke each-other than anywhere else. They also have reasons to affiliate with other powers, i.e. anyone but Moscow, so the net power of the guilty parties is reduced.
the war happened because Russia wasn't split up enough
War happened because Putin is a complete moron and Russians are low IQ monkeys who think country with weaker economy than Spain can be a world superpower.
Falling apart is the natural state of Russia, it always implodes ever so often.
Not much to done about it.
the ultimate objective of divide and conquer is gaining and maintaining power by breaking up groups/countries into smaller and less powerful ones.
By that logic, we should reform the British and French empires because their former colonies are all shitholes, fighting with their neighbours or antagonising the local area.
What's going on? people just suddenly spitting good ideas around here...
>
>Russia will cease existing as a single unified country win or lose
The fact that you glowBlack folk believe this shows you know nothing about Russia
We must right the wrongs of 1570 and comprehensively annihilate the moskowite domination of the Eastern rus.
Avenge Novgorod, Sack Moscow!
western intelligence stopped being staffed by clever but brainwashed zogbots, but instead 2nd generation morons who can't actually think
Kinda like you're replying to your own verbal diarrhea right now, petukhi. You're so embarrassing to watch.
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! WE MUST CAPITULATE TO RUSSIA!!!!!
Put the joint down you burnout
Appropriate that you are still using strawmen from the cold war, vatnik
>There is absolutely 0 chance Ukraine will realign with Russia.
Then there's no issue in Ukraine joining NATO, is there? It's never going back anyway, why would it bring us closer to WW3? Finland (another country that was never going to align itself with Russia) joined NATO and literally nothing happened.
NATO isn't about keeping countries from aligning with Russia.
The issue is that Ukraine is still under the delusion that it owns Crimea, the donbass, and a few other Russian territories
Uh-huh, and would you describe these territories as being "forever Russian?"
And you are under the delusion that Russia will keep any of it
Like Kherson right?
These are Kremlin talking points from before the war and were the justifications used for the invasion.
Ukraine is poor, wartorn, corrupt, low on the freedom index, almost entirely reliant on others for war materiel and have a long border with Russia that has little in terms of geographic barriers.
They bring very little to the table and put NATO on the hook for rebuilding and supplying them. Finland doesn't have any of the above baggage.
>Ukraine is poor, wartorn, corrupt, low on the freedom index, almost entirely reliant on others for war materiel
every single one of those are because of direct russian involvement and it's going to only get better from here.
NATO isn't UNICEF. You will be disappointed when you find out NATO doesn't run itself like a charity to compromise it's own security and effectiveness for some pet project in a post soviet slum
>What is Romania
>What is Poland
>What are the Baltics
Not wartorn, not the poorest countries in Europe, Not recognised human rights abusers and aren't currently claiming Russian territory
>aren't currently claiming Russian territory
And what russian territory is Ukraine claiming?
Crimea. And don't say it's actually Ukranian territory. That's not my point. We aren't letting Finland into NATO with the idea they're going to get reclaim Karalia. Letting Ukraine into NATO with a status quo border from before the war still makes the Crimean question a constant issue.
>going to get reclaim Karalia
So you know when NATO was founded you stupid frick? Also, NATO is a defensive alliance and members don't need to participate unless one of its members is attacked or of their are asked to join a conflict.
I don't even know what your point is. Speak english
>Oh no a saudi terrorist attacked us, now you have to be our airstrip while we harvest opium in Afghanistan for 20 years
>we’re a defensive alliance btw
>have to
That's the cool part, they can just say no if they don't feel like it
>And don't say it's actually Ukranian territory
No one who matters recognizes your bullshit annexations valddy
It is their territory. 100% legally and factually. But that wasn't my point you fricking moron
>Poland is German territory. 100% legally and factually.
>your moronic ass; circa 1943-'44
Wow that didn't take long
>historical comparisons aren't valid because they make me feel bad
Its my fault for not making it clearer I was saying Crimea is Ukraine's territory. I was in agreement with the statement but it wasn't the point I was making so I didn't care to put effort into my reply to make it clearer.
That's why I didnt want to get into it. You people constantly need others to walk on eggshells and prove to you that they're waving the correct flag at all times and its fricking annoying
If you have to constantly be careful not to get called a vatnik, then maybe the problem is with you? Because no one else is saying that besides false flagging or concern trolling vatniks themselves usually.
>muh false flagging
>muh concern trolling
You took an off hand remark saying "Don't say the land is Ukranian because it's not my point" as meaning "Dont say the land is Ukranian becaus it isn't". You people get upset over perceived dogwhistles like blue hairs. That's why I don't care to coddle your types so say and think whatever you want. Done replying to you
>>You took an off hand remark saying "Don't say the land is Ukranian because it's not my point" as meaning "Dont say the land is Ukranian becaus it isn't".
>wasn't clear about meaning
>it's other people's fault for not understanding me and reading my mind
You'd make a great politician I'll give you that much
Responding to me with the same shit twice doesn't change the fact that
>You people get upset over perceived dogwhistles like blue hairs
Was your own frickin fault.
It wasn't the other guy fricking up by not understanding your 'off-hand comment', it was you being unclear that caused it.
His
>>muh false flagging
>>muh concern trolling
response is understandable given how frickin vague you were
>Pretend to be Ukraine supporter
>Try to crack consensus
>Get called out on the details you got wrong
>Seethe about it and bring up gays/trannies
Not saying that is definitely what is happening here but the "blue hairs" remark is getting close.
>Its my fault for not making it clearer I was saying Crimea is Ukraine's territory
Yes it is
But Imma be real admitting it makes your original post that much more moronic, Ukraine and it's allies have no reason to give up on Crimea and the war won't end until it's reclaimed meaning Ukraine into NATO won't be a real conversation until it's reclaimed
Except r*ssia nailed the resemblance down right to the concentration camps, deportations and public capitol punishment.
>capitol
capital, why is this word so difficult? Capital city. Capital gains. Capital letter. Capitol means the legislative centre building.
Lol at the Godwin's Law moron
>biggest European conflict (since WWII) can't be compared to previous biggest European conflict (WWII)
I get 'Nazi' is a trigger word for you anon but your grasping at troony wieners right now to prove whatever your point is
Tell Putin he lost the war by invoking nazism and is therefore to withdraw his forces from Ukraine immediately.
So funny story, I just went into this thread and saw I had a (You). As far as I could remember, I've never been in this thread. When I go to check my you, I see that you crossthread quoted me. How butthurt are you from being BTFO in that thread that you had to quote me in a thread I haven't even been in. You homosexual. Absolute Black person that you are.
>We aren't letting Finland into NATO with the idea they're going to get reclaim Karalia
Not with that attitude. But I have hope.
>Finnish Karelia
>Polish Koenigsburg
>Japanese Karafuto
>Moldovan Transnistria
>Ukrainian Crimea
They can absolutely join NATO with "Hey this is Ukrainian territory and we're going to politicially bother you for the next century until you return it" as a term.
NATO is fricking gay and moronic, but NATO can also do whatever it wants, because nobody has the ability to enforce punishments for them choosing to break their own arbitrary charter.
Rules only matter if they're enforceable, there's nobody anyone can go cry to going "nooooo NATO's breaking the rules!"
>look at me I'm capitulating with the paid glavset bots am i a master of diplomacy or what
Great job, wienerbreath.
Want to try that again in English, and not buried under 4 layers of unintelligible sacrastic memespeak?
He said you're a homosexual
"Capitulating" isn't a meme word, heed your own advice and get your English in order.
It's not an issue at all, Crimea is part of Ukraine.
>And don't say it's actually Ukranian territory
You are either Cuban, Nicaraguan, Bolivian, Venezuelan, Sudanese, Armenian, Belarusian, Russian, or Zimbabwean (but I repeat myself). Not even Serbia supports your argument.
Crimea, Donetsk oblast, Luhansk oblast, Zaporozhia oblast and Kherson oblast
So i ask again, what russian territory is ukrain claiming?
Because I seem to remember Russia guaranteeing Ukrainian territorial integrity in exchange for its nukes.
>romania
>not the poorest countries in Europe
>Not recognised human rights abusers
ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooof
Adding Ukraine doesn’t compromise OTAN security. Security is not a consumable commodity. The concept of “we will band together to defend ourselves against hostile invasion” can’t be spread thin, because even a compromised rush still adds strength to the homosexual.
It’s an additive equation and negative contribution is impossible. France allied with Iceland isn’t more vulnerable than France not so allied, even if Iceland abolished its military.
Even if Ukraine sells all of its military to Thailand to service its debt and enrich its politicians, post-war, a future Russian attack on OTAN in OTAN Ukraine at least provides a place for France and Poland and the US to fight Russia without suffering damage to France, Poland, and the US.
This benefit is an incomparable treasure and not only is it free, but it’s also the very worst case.
In reality, OTAN Ukraine will at minimum provide a force of some tens to hundreds of thousands of soldiers and a great deal of heavy equipment for such a fight, not that such a fight will ever happen, because Puccia will never attack NATO.
Further, OTAN/EU alignment will help Ukraine become more prosperous and less corrupt.
The greatest benefit Ukraine could contribute to NATO is actually the compounded experience of fighting a large scale land war in the modern day using the limited resources against what the US considered the closest thing to a "peer" in military capabilities.
Right now Ukraine is being thaught how to use western equipment. Once the war is over it will be Ukrainians giving presentations on how to use this equipment effectively in combat scenarios against adversaries of NATO.
I don’t disagree, but I am intentionally arguing from the most pessimistic point of veiw, so as to show that Ukraine in the Western Sphere is a clear benefit even in the absolute most doomed timeline.
The frick does any of that have to do with bringing us closer to WW3?
Russia has never fought Finland. At least not since Soviet times. Russia is currently balls deep in Ukraine and clearly over commitied to the idea they own it. Put 2 and 2 together why they're different
Anon, they don't actually believe any of that. See the posturing after the initial conquest and annexation of Kherson and then the reaction to losing it.
They harped on for months about "Kherson with Russia forever" then when they got pressed on it for a month or two they simply left. And I know that you're going to say
>IT'S DIFFERENT!!
but I assure you it is not. It's infinitely more likely that the ukies frick up and simply aren't able to bring about the conditions to retake Crimea or Luhansk or whatever, than the Russians nuking Washington or Kyiv over losing a bunch of territory that nobody ever recognized as Russian.
>Russia has never fought Finland
They had already started setting up public support for a potential invasion with repeatedly talking about ''nazi past'' and ''unresolved crimes'' which even Soviets somehow had not managed to find. I'm so glad we're in NATO now, because being a small neutral country next to Russia is a code word for being invaded sooner or later.
>Russia has never fought Finland.
are you poorly educated, or have you memoryholed the TWO Finno-Russian Wars?
Is it is because Russia soundly lost both of them?
>Once the war is over it will be Ukrainians giving presentations on how to use this equipment effectively in combat scenarios against adversaries of NATO.
The current crop of Russians are currently attending a lecture called "Fricking Around, and Finding Out: Is My Hollowed-Out Rump-State in Any Condition to Fight a Country even 1/20th My Size? The Answer May Surprise You."
So what you're telling me is easy to mould, cheap labour and land costs initially that will draw in investment, and a steady increase in expectant good behaviour from good governance over time that will be embedded into future populations.
Wartime is the perfect time to remould a nation into a competent one. It has happened on more than one occasion thanks to western help in the past.
>They bring very little to the table
They bring a huge amount of manpower with strong will and determination to kill russians
Soon to be womanpower kek
Russia is the troon capital of the world
Really? How can I get a cute one?
you don't want it, Russia is also the HIV capital of the world
And that doesn't change by not letting them into NATO. They're in 0 danger of switching sides or taking up arms against NATO.
Why complicate things with binding treaties when you've pretty much already got exactly what you wanted?
>Manpower
>Experience
>Flatland leading into Russia
>More access to the Black Sea
>"Uhhh why let Ukraine into NATO? Too complicated hurr"
have a nice day
I know this is hard for you to understand because you are clearly brown and/or a VatBlack person and therefore can’t into honour, decency and open dealing, but using a nation as a human shield to soak an enemy bloc’s aggression when you have the option to bring them into the fold and gain mutual strength is perfidious and immoral
I would say have a nice day but your life expectancy is likely half of mine, and all of it will be spent in abject poverty and misery, so please continue to live so I can laugh at the absolute state of you
>poor, wartorn, corrupt, low on the freedom index, almost entirely reliant on others for war materiel and have a long border with Russia that has little in terms of geographic barriers
So South Korea 2.0, but at a fraction of the price and none of the casualties? You've convinced me, I'm sold.
>Thinks South Korea is in NATO
Please consult a map before posting again
you are moronic
It's also a huge agricultural power and has lots of mineral reserves.
>Ukraine is poor, wartorn, corrupt, low on the freedom index,
Sooooo we have another post-Soviet shithole being a post-Soviet shithole. Never forget:
-- 40 years ago Poland was a post-Soviet shithole and now it is a functioning society.
-- 40 years ago East Germany was a post-Soviet shithole and now it is an economic powerhouse.
-- 40 years ago the baltics were post-Soviet shitholes and now they all in the top 40 countries in on the Human Development Index.
I think we're starting to see a pattern here.
Give a post-Soviet shithole enough breathing room outside the "Russian Sphere of Influence" and within a generation, you have a functioning country.
So, sure, Ukraine IS poor, wartorn, corrupt and low on the freedom index....NOW....
Get back to me in 40 years. I suspect the pattern will repeat.
Why would unicorns be unattainable?
They share a trait with Russia's military prowess
It's because they rape people, isn't it?
I wonder if there have been any countries that were in a similar position as Ukraine in the past that aligned with NATO and became such incredible post-Cold War success stories that they cause inexorable seething in the Russian people because they surpassed their former masters in such a short time?
>They bring very little to the table
Having a place that russia can't have is already big enough of a benefit.
>closer to ww3
lmao russia will just piss and shit their pants and do nothing for the millionth time
They already Threatened Finland and Sweden with a "military response" if they tried to join NATO and they ended up doing jack shit.
Any Russian with a brain knows NATO would wipe the floor with them if they ever chomped out so they will do nothing
>the poorest country in Europe
That's Russia for more than a year now, pidorashka.
Wrong on every level
Also a reminder that every region of Russia has a higher HDI than every region of Ukraine. Even fricking Tuva oblast lives better than queef does
>ook ook we're gonna nook
Please do, we all know you don't have working nukes in any serious numbers, and one or two aren't gonna cause WW3. And no, the resulting dogpile on Russia isn't WW3.
Wypierdalaj czarnuchu
The morons are already crying and threatening the use of nukes, it's almost impossible for them to escalate further.
It would be very beneficial to Ukraine because it removes the threat of Russia continuing to attack them. Even if theres regime change in Russia and a peace treaty there's no saying down the line a revanchist government doesn't come into power in Moscow.
>because it removes the threat of Russia continuing to attack them.
Yeah, with the alternative being to like as a cucked slave state to Russia. What an alternative it is.
>t-this time we will start WW3...muh nukes......watch out NATO!
Russia's final warning, they're serious this time!
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61420185.amp
Imagine ruling over a populace wracked by fetal alcohol syndrome, willful criminal stupidity and religious strife.
Imagine having a military where men are forcibly conscripted and the "soldiers" rape each other senseless.
Imagine your fellow oligarchs have sold off your good military gear for a quick buck, leaving you with shit not even a Somalian with fetal alcohol syndrome would touch.
Now, imagine thinking your military will be able to get anything done.
>Russia
>WW3
LMAO it would last a week. Imagine still believing their nukes actually work.
> muh ww3
with fricking WHO?
Russia cannot take over a FRICKING UKRAINE armed with tiny piece of NATO arsenal. wtf are you talking about?
They can't take fricking bakhmut, and yet you expect it somehow to turn into WW3?
Somebody, please explain this shit to me once and for all.
>Somebody, please explain this shit to me once and for all.
morons generally seem to think that nuclear war=WW3. And also that the nukes alone would be enough so that actual soldiers and warfare is not needed.
Russia will have mighty Nicaragua and Eritrea on their side, cope westoid
>Russia can wage WW3
RUSSIA IS LITERALLY GETTING BTFO AT THEIR DOORSTEP IN A FRICKING PROXY WAR
RUSSIA IS LITERALLY WEAKER THAN MOST SOUTH AMERICAN ARMIES
The only WW3 scenario happen here is NATO Desert Storm'ing Russia to oblivion with California being nuked.
I don't see any downside
Ukraine was able to stump Russia with NATO gently pressing its thumb on the scales, so militarily they are a worthwhile addition. Economically, they hope to develop with the help of the EU, which in turn may also alleviate the widespread corruption in the country. While they don't have as much natural gas as Russia, they could serve as the gas station of Europe for a time while the EU gets its reliance on natural gas sorted out. Within that time, the Ukrainians may be able to use that excess money along with EU gibs to diversify their economy. Either way, another Eastern Euro success story would go a long way in rebuilding confidence in the US and the liberal democratic order.
Lol nope. WW3 isn’t going to happen because we send 50 year old weapons to Ukraine homosexual. No amount of fear mongering will change this. As bad as Russians have it, the Muscovites are smart enough to know that OOK OOK NOOOOOK is a terrible idea. No one can stand up to a conventional western army. So no one will. It’s done, it’s over. NATO won the war in Afghanistan in two fricking months. Compare that to the decade the USSR spent, just to collapse.
REMINDER TO ALL PUCCIAN SHILLS!!!!
The USA could take on the entirety of the CSTO and BRICS without any direct military intervention from its own Allies/partners/NATO (though economic support, intelligence sharing, etc. would happen nonetheless so there’s no sense pretending the USA wouldn’t have it) and win… HANDILY.
But the thing is, we wouldn’t have to go it alone. The USA has many defense partners for a reason lol.
Now for some fun facts:
(2021 GDP to follow, in USD)
GDP of China: 17.73 Trillion
GDP of all other BRICS nations (BRIS): 7 Trillion
GDP of CSTO: 2.075 Trillion (includes Puccia)
GDP of CSTO - Puccia: 296.46 Billion
GDP of America: 23.33 Trillion
GDP of Japan: 4.941 Trillion
GDP of SK: 1.811 Trillion
GDP of NATO: a frick ton holy shit
GDP of the EU: 17.177 Trillion
GDP of Five Eyes: 30.25 Trillion
(Not bothering to do the math of subtracting USA from 5eyes or NATO lol, do it yourself vatnig, same for UK and Canada for 5is)
The USA will bury any adversary militarily, economically, and politically.
No amount of disinfo, dedollarisation cope, shilling, or seething will change that FACT
Browns lost
Turd world lost
Puccia lost
China lost
Tankie lost
Russia is lost
Commies lost
OPEC lost
Iran lost
>Add the poorest country in Europe to NATO just to bring the world closer to WW3
sounds good homie
Funny Cartoon.
England has less then a full football stadium worth of military personnel.
France is in a similar position personal wise but France is totally broke financially Robbed by the israelites again!
Poland is going to get nuked then immediately surrender to Russia when they realize there is no Nato and no one is coming to save them!.
Berlin in two weeks then?
Russia is losing to Ukraine
>England has less then a full football stadium worth of military personnel.
That's probably enough to defeat russia. Remember, Anglo-Saxons are a superior race - a race of warriors. Russians are a race of peasants and serfs.
Based western powers telling virgin walk russia to get fricked
Poorest country is moldova but ok
Don't you mean Novo-Transnistria
>Trans
not a real country
>bring the world closer to WW3
Countries like Russia, China and North Korea are doing that through their belligerent and aggressive actions. The free world has to be strong. Only through strength can peace be maintained
If Ukraine isn't a NATO member in full, there is a 100% chance they will develop nuclear weapons to prevent this war from happening again. It's either/or
Russia and NATO already share a 'border'.
This. OP is some kind of homosexual vatnik concern troll.
Hopefully this is your last post of the shift you little internet research centre fricking russiabot.
>So, if Ukraine ends this war as a NATO member
lol
>is the Ukraine-Russian border basically going to be a Korean DMZ situation?
Everything west of Dneiper and north of Odessa will end up like Belarus 2.0
That line is completely out of reach for your homosexuals, pidor.
Ukraine can’t join NATO without renouncing its claim to Crimea at the very least
>b…but they’ll take it back by force
With what? 5 tanks that they can’t drive without ripping the turret off of one? Lmao
And you've said the same shit about every inch they've reclaimed so far so frick off
One side has gained ground in this war, and it’s not Ukraine
>only one side has gained ground in this war and its not the allies
>your moronic ass; circa 1943-44
So Kherson, Zaporozhye, Donetsk and Luhansk aren't russian territory? Cause Ukraine holds the majority of most of these "russian" territories.
does that russian knock off of poland ball have a name, I need to refill my stock of vatnig cope
Cтpaнo Шapы
thank you, anon
Russians will leave Crimea when they run out of water in ooh... ~4 months, maybe 5. By the end of the year there will only be a thirsty, smelly garrison of emaciated soldiers there, praying that the next supply ship makes it through the gauntlet without a visit from neptune.
Russia will bomb the sluice gate before they abandon Crimea.
The US will build Ukraine a better one.
Russia will have stopped NATO expansion by ensuring its almost entire western border is with NATO. And let's be honest with a weakened Russia unable to help him, Luka's days are numbered.
It's too late for that shit after you've already invaded, frickface. If anything, all the countries bordering Russia that joined NATO in the 90s and 00s can feel really good about their decision.
Yeah, you can really see when countries like Estonia broke free of the communist yoke and became proud members of NATO
yeah, lowering birthrates are a problem in WESTERN countries due to raised standards of living
You should see the Russian chart.
>their war against the separatists
Hmm, and how did that war start may I ask?
>>I'm not even going to get into the right and wrong of that but you have to admit the situation is complicated and baggage like that is not advantageous to have.
>buy a new lock on the house
>Black person outside: NOOOOOOOOO YOU ARE EXPANDING ON MY WASHING MACHINE I AM GONNA (N)OOOOOOOOOK
You are literally assaulting that man by denying him is deserved reparations. You committed an unforgivable crime by inserting your credit card into the self-checkout machine to purchase that "lock" (kkkkkkkkkcapitalism machine) at Home Depot.
Nobody cares about Russia's concerns anymore, even the few times they're actually genuine and not all lies. You could do the most unfair humiliating shit to them and the world would laugh at them being cuck bottom homosexuals for taking it. They've lost the right to consideration, but that's natural when you act like subhuman monkeys.
I wish the donbabawe toddler genocide was real. The world would point and laugh now.
>So, if Ukraine ends this war as a NATO member, is the Ukraine-Russian border basically going to be a Korean DMZ situation?
you seriously think the Ukis are going to relax next to russia again?
expect tons of barbwire and landmines
granded it might not go THAT bad, because unlike north korea, russia and Ukraine have had economic ties in the past and for the sake of economic developed its probably both sides might be interested on rebuilding some of those ties in the future
so it will become DMZ-lite shortly after the wat, with the possibility of de-escalation later
>unlike north korea, russia and Ukraine have had economic ties in the past
>He thinks North Korea had no pre-existing economic ties to South Korea.
I think we'll see a repeat of West/East Germany, personally.
Same as it ever was.
>agreement was that Ukraine would agree never to align with NATO.
Could you point this anywhere in the Budapest memorandum out for me, anon?
Most likely. Russia cannot be anything different while isolation will preserve boyars and tsar.
Containment facilitated Warsaw Pact implosion and fall of USSR. The Russian Federation can't even wear teh USSRs rotting skinsuit convincingly. It can preside over continuing Russian decline into irrelevance.
>Jackson Hinkle
>some commie grifter
>HEIGHT 4'11
Lol, lmao even. When will they finally learn?
He's the last sane American out there. He was marching along side based Ron Paul during the anti hohol march
You're in full meltdown right now, subhuman.
When did Ireland get kicked out of the EU?
I actually completed a secret coup yesterday and pulled out of the EU after I was declared Ardrí na hÉireann
I’d have a lot more respect for you fricking Black folk if you did
Idiots think that Ireland is part of the UK. I mean it should be, just to help my map autism, but it won't ever be.
Ey frick you
If anything Northern Ireland needs to rejoin the whole
But no one wants to relitigate The Troubles right now, so the stalemate holds.
But no as far as the UK goes, there will be no more kings, no queens, no lords and no masters. We will not be ruled again.
Ah yes, the famous Axis invasions of Gibraltar and Cyprus and notable WW2 combatant, Spain.
they have bombed Kiev a bunch of times, maybe that's what he meant
This. Russians, and based western supporters of Russia are fighting for the white race
>twitter homosexual says x so if you defend your country you also think x
and then you wonder why people want you of this board
Given how Russians always lie and literally blame their enemies for what they themselves are doing, does that mean all Russians are trannies?
>losing a war to a country that doesn't exist
Russia gets more pathetic every day.
Your bait got ignored and I feel sad so have this one (You) on the house.
Ukraine can't become a member of NATO before the war is over due to NATO's own policy.
Turkey and Greece are in NATO
Turkish and Greek contemporary shit flinging over the Aegean Sea started after they had joined NATO in 1952, in the middle of the Cold War.
Ukraine is currently in a border conflict with Russia. It's an entirely different situation.
Technically speaking those rules and policies are just guidelines, and if all NATO countries agree they can be broken as they like.
Getting the whole bunch to agree is a whole another matter obviously.
>Entirety of /misc/ is laughing
oh, the humanity!
>Entirety of /misc/ is laughing at you
Damn, if only I gave a shit about the opinions of morons and homosexuals
>Entirety of /misc/ is laughing
And there you have it.
I was on /misc/ before you and your reddit shit flood 2016 refugees ever came over
I cheered on Moterola because he wanted his own people to have their own state not a part of Ukraine and not a part of russia
and the russians chewed him up, spat him up and killed him
and now that there are neo-nazi battalions fighting russians aziatic hordes waving the red banner of judeo bolshevism you side with the ex kgb operative to save the white race and traditional values? I and all the other old /misc/acs spit on you onions addled trany fetishist
>shitty opinion
>lazy meme
Brown hands typed this
I am unsure if your lazy troll attempts deserve continued mockery or not. Probably not, since they aren't even creative.
>While in reality
Reality has an anti Russian bias and God hates the Russian people
it’s funny, even the version of “leak” which shows low Ukrainian casualties is still hundreds per day. They used to say the Intel Slava Z posts about eliminating hundreds of enemy fighters per day were fake
Mate, the leak you are talking about shows the Russians taking a frankly embarrassing amount of killed and wounded per Ukrainian killed and wounded. If the numbers are so good for Russia, vatnigs such as yourself wouldn't have the need to make lazy fake version by flipping the numbers around.
It’s funny that the version you’re referring to still requires the vatnik telegram posts about eliminating hundreds of enemy fighters per day to be true.
No, not necessarily. The leaks were post Kherson when the Ukrainians just did a month long grind to kick Russia out of the only major metro area it managed to capture. It makes sense that the Ukrainians would have heightened casualties and the Russians and Ukrainians probably had about equal WIA with Russians just edging out the Ukrainians in KIA because Russian military medicine sucks and their WIA quickly become KIA. The Russians have already massively skewed the balance against themselves with their moronic pushes in the Donbass region again with little to show for it.
supporting russian wannabee communist untremensch makes you a race traitor.
I know it, you know it and the millions that died fighting them in the second world war know it.
russians are little more than fair skinned Black folk their lands of no more value that they could be populated by more worthy people from a not mongol rape race.
the only people that cheer on putin are people to weak, lazy and cowardly to go out there and do real political activism for the white race and instead like some anime homosexual have to wait and dream about some big strong dommy "mommy" to come and save them. Rejects not worthy of the men they claim to aspire and the true death of the white race. For while the israelite may kill us in the material it is weaklings like you whom are killing the burning spirit of White Pride from within.
And even if you would consider that trash made by centuries of step asian rape to be your equals, then al you are doing is cheering on the instigators of a brother war, the spilling of "white" blood for the israelites
>never align with NATO
First of all it says that nowhere, secondly any such amendment would basically be;
>hey we want to have control over your political allegiances forever and in exchange we will graciously agree NOT to ape out and attack you like a violent Black person
have a nice day
I know that you are mad that Ukraine just undid 2 weeks of Russian progress in 1 day, but you need to calm down with the coping. You're making others worried for your mental health.
Threads like these actually make me want to point some nukes towards New-Dehli. These traiterous rats shall pay for their constant intellifence-insulting R*ssian propaganda.
You realise Russians have been captured - at least 4 times this war - performing gay sex, right?
>russian gay sex: based, you get a new friend out of it (AIDS or a VOG)
>western gay sex: unbased, too clean and safe
I can't believe Russia is losing to trannies. They must be really weak.
What percentage of the guys on the right are dead now lmao
LMFAO YOU FRICKING CURRYBlack person NEED CULLING SHUT THE FRICK UP YOU CANNOT EVEN KEEP YOUR FRICKING RIVERS CLEAN LMAO FRICKING GENETIC WASTE. GRIND 100K POOPJEETS INTO A RED ALERT 2: YR BASED MEATGRINDER AND YOU WILL RECEIVE ONE (1) FRICKING RECRUIT FROM THE SOVIET ARMY.
you have already lost
you admit that you can not refute me
and you have already submitted to those that want to destroy you
from within you can no longer love your race because all you can think about is gays and trannies
from without you are worshiping lesser races and pin your hopes on them, you would rather be slave to some turdies than fight to be free yourself
it is good then that we do not need to rely on "men" such as you
the post that made vatni/k/s seethe
>all the deleted posts from the vatroon samegayging
I love to see it
>if Ukraine ends this war as a NATO member
They wouldnt. NATO = US, nobody else opinion matters here, and US keeps ignoring their pleas. Ukraine could be used as a military pawn already, they have no choice at all, so why bother?
Nah. By that time there will be nobody left in Russia to care.
The US thinks otherwise. That's the problem with playing Might Makes Right as your main political argument, you can't try to claim moral authority when the REAL big boys show up.
>The US thinks otherwise. That's the problem with playing Might Makes Right as your main political argument, you can't try to claim moral authority when the REAL big boys show up.
Yeah that has to be one of the most moronic bits of /misc/homosexualry:
>heh heh we don't have to care about international treaties or our promises or common decency or laws of war or anything cuz WEAK SHUD FEER DA STRONG!
>Oh, so it's fine then if NATO intervenes and beats Russia with force then?
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO NAFO TRANNIES gayS RUSKA DINDU NUFFIN JUST DEFENDING
Every fricking time.
NATO isn't intervening, the khohols are kicking the living shit out of your Russian wienerscukers. Now THAT's the most moronic bit of /misc/troonism that you're gleefully barking out of stupidity.
NATO has intervened already. US and UK special forces have been not only sighted and recorded in Ukraine, but also captured as POWs. There is no point in lying anymore. The world knows that NATO is waging war against Russia.
Except we know there are special forces there, they've been training Ukrainians for years. This isn't new.
This is completely false, go back to peddling your horseshit on vkontakte, petukhi.
the worst part of this war is morbidly obese american transvestites doing the slavic version of spanglish
The worst part are the morbidly obese magaturds presenting themselves to the glavset like baboons in heat. They're the most obsequious creatures on the planet.
Tucker's right about all these things, as usual.
It's funny, I've never watched a single episode of his, and only hear about him when some leftytroon goes "CARLSON SPREADS DISINFORMATION CONSPIRACY THEORY ABOUT [thing that was already confirmed weeks ago]"
He's peddling Kremlin horseshit, as usual, kinda like you're trying to do but with an audience.
Why are you so worthless, and does this ever work out for you?
Everything he said had been the position of every administration, both Democrat and Republican, stretching back before you were born.
Ukraine is not strategically important to the U.S.
It's only strategically important to pedophile politicians at the federal level for the explicit purpose of laundering taxpayer dollars.
yeah zelensky will bomb the vatican any day now
wait... he is right, but you've never watched him>?
>as usual
god the American far right is fricking stupid
You could have read the next sentence and saved yourself the embarrassment of posting that.
Steelegay no matter how hard you try to false flag and be so absurdly annoying in hopes of making ring wing patriots support the HIV capital of the world, your efforts are futile. Heil Azov, Slava Ukraini!
>US and UK special forces have been not only sighted and recorded in Ukraine
The recording:
Hello, Steve American from Houston Oblast and am glad that HATO special forces are being shown way of error by russian military
I chortl'd
bump
Sounds like an Alaskan accent, maybe around Sarah Palin’s area
Why are you such a demented frickup, anon?
Is little joke my friend :^)
>US and UK special forces have been not only sighted and recorded in Ukraine, but also captured as POWs.
May I see them?
These are elite special forces using 6th Gen western stealth technology, so they are invisible and intangible. Mighty Rossia has defeated them regardless. Please right to your Congressman to cease all aid to Banderite Nazi Ukraine, so as to save your SAS Green Seals lives, and to avoid war with the bear of the East.
I think you replied to the wrong post, friend. The Anon you replied to, who was replying to me, was joining me in a jolly good laugh at vatniks' expense.
I'm not opposed to bringing Ukraine into NATO, but they have to get the Donbass back. If the war is left unfinished, it sets the stage for another one. Bringing them into NATO when they have unfinished business with Russia raises the stakes too high for everyone. This is most likely a bluff to get future concessions feom Russia.
Agreements made under duress do not have the force of law. Cope.
You mean the ones with a Russian hand up their ass, those separatists? You broke the deal, you pay the price, and now you get no Burger King, no sugar, and have NATO on your border. So much for collectivist authoritarian countries being strong and good at war!
Why the duck should the us give two flying fricks about Ukraine. They're too corrupt to really be called democratic. Russia is too weak to pose a threat to anyone out eastern Europe. Ukraine is too poor, weak, and corrupt to be a great ally. I don't see why the us or Brittan keeps sending so much money and weapons to Ukraine.
>Russia is too weak to pose a threat to anyone out eastern Europe.
the USSR was. Russia wants to conquer the former USSR. Think about this for more than 0 seconds anon
Have u seen how pathetic they have performed in this war? There is a reason most countries that had previously purchased war equipment from Russia are now looking to replace it with US equipment. Also they have so few gun and ammo they have literally started to field WW1 weapons. Ukraine is able to hold it's own despite very limited training to it's troops. If Russia can't take on Ukraine how is supposed to take on a country with an actual military like Poland let alone Turkey, France, Brittan, or the US?
We signed on the dotted line to help secure their Sovereignty.
If you think spending 0.00303% of our GDP is 'too much' you are a anti American SOB that wants a weaker US with less influence on the world.
>This was is a rounding error
>We get to see the end of Russian image as a country in our life times.
> Soon they will be less relevant as Nigeria in world politics and economic power
We could have funded over 13 southern border walls across the entire border of the U.S. with the >$100,000,000,000 that's being laundered, and neither slavic shithole on the other side of the planet is relevent in any way.
Then why didn't we anon? How do you explain it if we had the money?
Because all of America's enemies are domestic, and the worst of them are in the federal government.
Unironically correct. The republican party are traitors to the people of the US.
>flees to red state
>t. NPC
At the bare minimum you should understand that majority of both parties are out to frick over the public. Spoiler alert: the dems are worse than the reps.
Jannies tongue my anus
>they're worse cuz uh... uhmm and uhhh
Wow, I'm taking all my political opinions from you from now on. What a scholar.
>ORANGE MAN BAD!!! OOK OOK!!!
Everything in this image is an incorrect assertion. The cropped screenshots don't help at all.
>nooooo I can't ad hominem unless you tell me who wrote it!
rofl
>proof is a wojak
Why don't they send better people instead of this garbage?
Walls are moronic, they frick with animals and don't stop people. Just prosecute the people who employ illegals, cut off the gibs spigot, and end the war on drugs.
Because we can cheaply delete a regional rival. It's a good deal, the best deal.
Watch it, the ADD kid is deleting his own posts to pretend they were removed.
into the trash it goes
Russia is going to conquer Ukraine and sentence all gay nazis to death camps. So no, that won't happen
They're going to sentence themselves?
>is the Ukraine-Russian border basically going to be a Korean DMZ situation?
Yeah, but only because Russians can't be trusted.
nothing is "rightful"
there are no "rights"
you get what you have the power to take and hold
Ukraine is done for. Rothchilds wrote off the loses and will have the average French person pay them off through there delayed Pensions.
As for the country of Ukaine, The western area will be taken over by Poland and the mid center of whats left of Ukraine will be a no mans farming district.
The insurgency will carry on for 25 more years and the name Ukraine will be forgotten like the people killed trying to save it
deploying US troops in Ukraine before the invasion could have prevented this war. Biden is a coward
The Soviet Union kept the Iron Curtain up with the help of client states in Eastern Europe. They NATO now. Russia doesn't have the manpower or resources to maintain a Wall on their own.
>3%
Still some work to be done.
NATO should have been disbanded in 1991 when the Soviet Union collapsed. The only reason t=its still alive is the Military Industrial Complex if the USA. Plain and Simple as that!
>They are not protecting anything but thier bottom line, as soon as Ukraine borrows more then thier gold reserve and national assets can pay for. Its all over adn the media will shut its door on them, which is coming real soon!
>NATO should have been disbanded in 1991
Now wouldn't that be convenient for you, subhuman?
You aren't part of NATO, your a fat unemployed troony.
*you're
Speak English, subhuman.
The reason NATO exists is because russia is still an aggressive shithole that wants to drag its neighbours down to its level.
russia and its neighbors are all equally irrelevant shitholes
>le both sides
This has literally never worked out for you, yet you keep trying. Are you moronic, kid?
There's only one side, which is "slavic countries are subhuman and irrelevant", you're only pretending otherwise because your television told you to.
It's also why you don't behave this way about the dozen Black person wars going on in Africs right now.
You've been barking it for a year like a well trained mutt, yet it's evident nobody likes your Russian trash, and everyone is willing to support their extermination.
But you keep trying, like the obsequious little prostitute you are.
Put down the HRT and take your real meds.
Stop obsessing over trannies, they're not going to frick you.
The state department is giving talks on decolonizing Russia. They want to break the country up entirely.
Of course they aren't, but maybe they should be giving these talks. It's the least you could do with that malignant tumor.
They are. They’re run through the z Helsinki Commission. You can find them on YouTube.
> You can find them on YouTube.
Why can't you, then? Some cognitive dissonance issue?
takes a real special kinda piece of shit to type youtube as YouTube here
>Why don't they send better people instead of this garbage?
>"Ukraine's Place is in NATO"
>Ukraine's Place is in the dustbin of history"
correct
Why aren't they part of a modern military alliance, like the CSTO?
>CSTO
have you never seen a ukrainian?
I've seen Russians. Why are you trying to change the subject?
>Stop obsessing over trannies, they're not going to frick you
>12 year old spamming wojaks
That's /chug/ for you.
Don't mock him too much, he might shoot up his school
and miss everyone lol
ziggers tongue my anus
Is this what vatBlack folk mean by saying Ukraine should know it's place?
As an American, frick Ukraine, frick Russia, and frick NATO. But most of all, frick the globohomos and their hermaphrodite idol Lucifer. Burn in hell you wiener suckers.
t. Sequoya Smith from Ohio Oblast.
Yes, and the unwashed Russians will occasionally try to run across it.
>Starts a war to prevent Ukraine from joining NATO
>It makes Ukraine want to join NATO and makes NATO want to accept Ukraine as a member
>So, if Ukraine ends this war as a NATO member, is the Ukraine-Russian border basically going to be a Korean DMZ situation?
No. The new countries made up from Russia will be friendly and we'll all prosper together.
No more than the Finnish-Russian border lol. Puccia is a decrepit rump state that will fracture even further after this war is concluded. Georgia and Chechnya will take back their lands, the CSTO will dissolve, and China will exert more influence over Russia and the Stans
This. Karelia will either form it's own state or join Finland, potentially taking the kola peninsula with it as well. Caucasus will shatter into a bunch of warlords all looking to expand their territory. Ural area will make it's own state after getting tired by being cucked by m*scovy all the time. China will claim the far-east for itself. Kaliningrad either joins Germany, Poland, Latvia, Czechs or become independent.
And a cherry on top St. Peters might become a Singapore style independent city-state.