It isn't bullshit
The US deliberately damaged a structurally critical welded titanium box so iran can't get them
And nobody right now makes welded titanium stuff like that so none will ever fly again
>one of the most expensive airframes in modern times, specifically designed for carrier operations (can't even start under own power) >no stores of phoenixes available so you either retrofit AMRAAMs or stick with sparrows and sidewinders >not to mention, no stores of actual tomcats in any flyable or near-flyable condition
It's the exact opposite of the T-55 as far as logistics go
>Couldn't you just not give Iran the parts?
You'd think so, but Iran has proven a tempting trade partner before
>if there's any servicable ones left they're squirrelled away and haven't been seen in years.
go watch Top Gun 2. There's at least one. Would be spoilers I guess, except that a papparazzo took a pic of Cruise getting into a Tomcat during filming and pasted it all over the internet.
>go watch Top Gun 2. There's at least one
you need to be at least 12 to post here. an engineless shell from the San Diego Air and Space Museum is not an airworthy F-14 in the Year of Our Lord 2023
F-14 in Top Gun 2 is CGI unlike most of the Super Hornet stuff. I think by that point of the movie you're so used to real practical footage you accept the minimal CGI.
> there is minimal cgi in Top Gun 2
Correct. “Minimal” is not “none”
The F-14 in flight is CGI because all the important bits have long since been shredded.
Personally, since the enemy in TG2 was Totally-Not-Iran, I would have fricking loved if the Tomcat in the movie had carried those kino ghetto-rigged HAWK missiles
>Literally no working f14s in number in the US. >in number
Nice choice of words since literally all of America knows the fact that there's at least one flying thanks to pic related.
>Literally no working f14s in number in the US. >in number
Nice choice of words since literally all of America knows the fact that there's at least one flying thanks to pic related.
Since the plane was retired and too expensive to run to sell or give to a trusted ally, destroying vital components to keep them from eventually getting into mudslime hands seemed reasonable.
Iran had been paying moronic soldiers to steal parts for them for years before the US got fed up with dealing with cases as they occur and just destroyed everything that Iran could ever possibly want.
It was never about Iran, the US military knew about the meme potential of the F-14 and they didn't want it turning into another A-10 with Congress going "I JUST WATCHED TOP GUN AGAIN AND I THINK WE SHOULD STOP BUILDING F-35S AND BRING THE F-14 BACK!"
The new talking point is F/A-18's being way better because of cost, availability, and superior radar as well speed and armament relevant to the Russo-Ukraine war.
The Ukraine needs Gripens, not any U.S. plane. Right now, they're operating their MiGs and Sus from literal roads, as all their airfields are under fire. The Gripen was designed for that situation and is way better suited for the war they have.
And frick whoever greenlit melting down our old F-14s instead of putting them in the boneyard.
Not enough Gripens. Technically, I hear you, it's just super unlikely.
But look at the Gripens, and the reasons people think they're ideal: the F/A-18 does most of the same shit.
Actually weird how until now the conversation wasn't happening.
yes, but with F/A-18s
we literally do not use them for anything but stupid halftime airshows
just fricking blow these piece of shit soviet knockoffs OUT OF THE SKY!
we want to see them be used for what they were designed to do before they all get retired
it's just such a colossal waste of money to build thousands of planes and then never truly use them in war.
They are weapons of war, they're not expensive toys for air shows.
I mean, if we're talking really pie-in-the-sky, slap your fat chode on the table type plays... We do have an aircraft carrier currently in Virginia that is going to be decommissioned soon. Ike's seen some shit, but it might be a nice retirement present for him to fight the Russkies like he was built to.
Imagine it, HIMARS with ATACMS capabilities, F-35s and F/A-18 Super Hornets, unnerfed Abrams, and a fricking aircraftcarrier as the backbone.
The war would end in a month, tops.
moron and how will Ukraine man that carrier? By pulling away people from the front and giving them training in carriers something they have historically never done since the soviet union(Russians being known for having a very good naval tradition as proven by the 2nd pacific squadron's feat of killing over 9000 torpedo boats)? Not only that but American carriers and Soviets carriers have vastly different doctrines of usages, the Americans ones are less armed since they operate in massive task forces that can protect them which demand more sailors and more training that they can't do domestically.
If you want a carrier just rebuild the An-225 and use it as an airborne carrier for drones or parasite fighters, bonus point for using a nuclear jet engine to be able to constantly stay airborne and big dick move of taking the russians under hostage if they decide to shoot it down.
>why give them something we're retiring when we can just rebuild the largest plane, add feasible nuclear jet tech, and pioneer airborne aircraft carriers
checks out
F/A-18 would do better, Aussies, Fins and Leafs could give enough for 2-3 squadrones
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/australias-mothballed-f-a-18-hornets-should-be-given-to-ukraine
They're shitboxes that'll probably get buried or melted down anyways. Especially the CF-18s which are totally clapped out. I'd be more concerned that a legacy Hornet with AMRAAM still really isn't a match for MiG 31
the MiG 31 is used like the F-14 in Fleet Defense Mission. >biggest radar they can fit >biggest semi-active missile they can fit >spam missiles from as far away as possible
the F-14 would mog the legacy Hornet in the same situation, but would carry even more Phoenixes than the -31 can carry R-37s >a plane that is 20% radar by weight, long-endurance, with a missile that goes 100 miles, overmatches a small fighter with AMRAAMs in BVR
say it ain't so
>there will never be a community of old granpa vets maintaining their demilitarized F-14 and taking it out for nostalgia flights on July 4 like there are for B-52s
Why even get old
Maybe we’ll be able to 3D print some new ones. Titanium will be hard to get ahold of, but maybe 3D printing would allow us to make structures out of steel that are just as strong
Based
This is bullshit but I believe it
It isn't bullshit
The US deliberately damaged a structurally critical welded titanium box so iran can't get them
And nobody right now makes welded titanium stuff like that so none will ever fly again
It could easily be 3d printed now with SLS Ti or Inconel
Literally no working f14s in number in the US.
We melted all the parts so Iran can't get their hands on it.
It would've been so much cooler to just destroy Iran.
Good goyim
Good goy!
Shalom, Rabbi.
Republicans want to keep Iran around, unfortunately.
This but it would be an awesome reverse card if they were lobbing phoenixes against r37m lobbers
Why did you have to destroy them? Couldn't you just not give Iran the parts?
It was frustrating having one of our enemies bragging about having operating versions of what was formerly one of our top jets.
>one of the most expensive airframes in modern times, specifically designed for carrier operations (can't even start under own power)
>no stores of phoenixes available so you either retrofit AMRAAMs or stick with sparrows and sidewinders
>not to mention, no stores of actual tomcats in any flyable or near-flyable condition
It's the exact opposite of the T-55 as far as logistics go
>Couldn't you just not give Iran the parts?
You'd think so, but Iran has proven a tempting trade partner before
They had a whole parts stealing operation set up.
you'll see Russia use hand-me-down Iranian tomcats before Ukraine getting their hands on American ones kek
it's not happening. if there's any servicable ones left they're squirrelled away and haven't been seen in years.
>We melted all the parts so Iran can't get their hands on it.
not exactly
>if there's any servicable ones left they're squirrelled away and haven't been seen in years.
go watch Top Gun 2. There's at least one. Would be spoilers I guess, except that a papparazzo took a pic of Cruise getting into a Tomcat during filming and pasted it all over the internet.
>go watch Top Gun 2. There's at least one
you need to be at least 12 to post here. an engineless shell from the San Diego Air and Space Museum is not an airworthy F-14 in the Year of Our Lord 2023
You see it in flight Black person
>c-cgi
there is minimal cgi in Top Gun 2, that's why it looks so fricking good.
F-14 in Top Gun 2 is CGI unlike most of the Super Hornet stuff. I think by that point of the movie you're so used to real practical footage you accept the minimal CGI.
> there is minimal cgi in Top Gun 2
Correct. “Minimal” is not “none”
The F-14 in flight is CGI because all the important bits have long since been shredded.
Personally, since the enemy in TG2 was Totally-Not-Iran, I would have fricking loved if the Tomcat in the movie had carried those kino ghetto-rigged HAWK missiles
Top gun 2 is 80% cgi
>there is minimal cgi in Top Gun 2, that's why it looks so fricking good.
You can't possibly be this moronic.
>Literally no working f14s in number in the US.
>in number
Nice choice of words since literally all of America knows the fact that there's at least one flying thanks to pic related.
Did they expect Iran to steal them or something?
Since the plane was retired and too expensive to run to sell or give to a trusted ally, destroying vital components to keep them from eventually getting into mudslime hands seemed reasonable.
You sell F35s to Muslims all the time
Iran had been paying moronic soldiers to steal parts for them for years before the US got fed up with dealing with cases as they occur and just destroyed everything that Iran could ever possibly want.
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1985-07-16-mn-6840-story.html
>They deliberately destroyed all F-14 so Iran couldn't get spare parts for theirs.
No way, the ZOG is really petty in that unique israeli way lmaooooo
It was never about Iran, the US military knew about the meme potential of the F-14 and they didn't want it turning into another A-10 with Congress going "I JUST WATCHED TOP GUN AGAIN AND I THINK WE SHOULD STOP BUILDING F-35S AND BRING THE F-14 BACK!"
They deliberately destroyed all F-14 so Iran couldn't get spare parts for theirs.
Shame, because the F-14 was the coolest of the 4th generation fighters.
The new talking point is F/A-18's being way better because of cost, availability, and superior radar as well speed and armament relevant to the Russo-Ukraine war.
There was one at SNF a few weeks ago
The few remaining airframe in museum or private hands are heavily demillitarized husks.
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2007-mar-07-me-jets7-story.html
The Ukraine needs Gripens, not any U.S. plane. Right now, they're operating their MiGs and Sus from literal roads, as all their airfields are under fire. The Gripen was designed for that situation and is way better suited for the war they have.
And frick whoever greenlit melting down our old F-14s instead of putting them in the boneyard.
Not enough Gripens. Technically, I hear you, it's just super unlikely.
But look at the Gripens, and the reasons people think they're ideal: the F/A-18 does most of the same shit.
Actually weird how until now the conversation wasn't happening.
yes, but with F/A-18s
we literally do not use them for anything but stupid halftime airshows
just fricking blow these piece of shit soviet knockoffs OUT OF THE SKY!
What's with people putting forward western dogfighters anyway?
They're cool
we want to see them be used for what they were designed to do before they all get retired
it's just such a colossal waste of money to build thousands of planes and then never truly use them in war.
They are weapons of war, they're not expensive toys for air shows.
MIC wanting to earn more big bux
Daily reminder that the F-16V line is too long that even countries who need them will get them in the late 20s
If a regular old F-16C blows up a couple of Su-30s or Su-34s it will increase the price tenfold and countries will be willing to paypig for it
Yeah this has been one gigantic advertising campaign for the F-16.
There are no F-14 in working condition in USA, moron.
Just give them 6 f35s and watch heads melt
Air superiority would probably be achieved in like a few days.
I mean, if we're talking really pie-in-the-sky, slap your fat chode on the table type plays... We do have an aircraft carrier currently in Virginia that is going to be decommissioned soon. Ike's seen some shit, but it might be a nice retirement present for him to fight the Russkies like he was built to.
Imagine it, HIMARS with ATACMS capabilities, F-35s and F/A-18 Super Hornets, unnerfed Abrams, and a fricking aircraftcarrier as the backbone.
The war would end in a month, tops.
moron and how will Ukraine man that carrier? By pulling away people from the front and giving them training in carriers something they have historically never done since the soviet union(Russians being known for having a very good naval tradition as proven by the 2nd pacific squadron's feat of killing over 9000 torpedo boats)? Not only that but American carriers and Soviets carriers have vastly different doctrines of usages, the Americans ones are less armed since they operate in massive task forces that can protect them which demand more sailors and more training that they can't do domestically.
If you want a carrier just rebuild the An-225 and use it as an airborne carrier for drones or parasite fighters, bonus point for using a nuclear jet engine to be able to constantly stay airborne and big dick move of taking the russians under hostage if they decide to shoot it down.
>why give them something we're retiring when we can just rebuild the largest plane, add feasible nuclear jet tech, and pioneer airborne aircraft carriers
checks out
>Russians being known for having a very good naval tradition
Next level cope.
>he doesn't know about the Kamtchaka
Kneel before your master, peon
It's so weird, I remember when this was just a projected ship in the fleet. Retiring now ... sigh.
I just love the F-14.
Personally I love the Su-27 look.
Would be cool but it looks like the plane is taking a shit.
what the frick is that
you cant see behind you
>it would be great to see them flying again
Iran should have
Sorry anon, gabby giffords and her homosexual husband already destroyed them all
F/A-18 would do better, Aussies, Fins and Leafs could give enough for 2-3 squadrones
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/australias-mothballed-f-a-18-hornets-should-be-given-to-ukraine
donate? frick that, they can pay for them.
They're shitboxes that'll probably get buried or melted down anyways. Especially the CF-18s which are totally clapped out. I'd be more concerned that a legacy Hornet with AMRAAM still really isn't a match for MiG 31
the MiG 31 is used like the F-14 in Fleet Defense Mission.
>biggest radar they can fit
>biggest semi-active missile they can fit
>spam missiles from as far away as possible
the F-14 would mog the legacy Hornet in the same situation, but would carry even more Phoenixes than the -31 can carry R-37s
>a plane that is 20% radar by weight, long-endurance, with a missile that goes 100 miles, overmatches a small fighter with AMRAAMs in BVR
say it ain't so
This would literally be the worst choice of aircraft lol.
>there will never be a community of old granpa vets maintaining their demilitarized F-14 and taking it out for nostalgia flights on July 4 like there are for B-52s
Why even get old
Maybe we’ll be able to 3D print some new ones. Titanium will be hard to get ahold of, but maybe 3D printing would allow us to make structures out of steel that are just as strong
Should send them A-10s too since the US is retiring about 20 of them.
A-10 would have done amazing work on the Kiev convoy but would be less than useless now.
YOu should give your home and sister to Ukraine, Your not using them!
There are none.
>Good goyim
No, give Ukraine the F-35s, I want to use F-14s again.
Can we give one to Tom Cruise so we can have one left?
when the Ukranian Ayatollah declares Muslim Revolution then they shall be turned against the american Imperialists again. such is the wheel of History
why? just send any 4th gen fighter, planes with no stealth are useless anyways so why keep them
if one were to modern F14s where would they start?
>Weaponry; get some AIM-120 variants on it
>Engine; get it the newest GE 110
>AESA radar
Start with the Super Tomcat 21 and add some LO features like the Super Hornet, and bobs your uncle