Why? Neither the Challenger or the Abrams are what their respective countries use. They are not equipped with the defensive upgrades that their respective countries use. Export Abrams (which these essentially are) have been lost plenty of times. As have Leopards. Dunno if Oman has lost any Challengers.
What? The challengers are the exact same as the British army uses.
The Abrams are gonna be M1A1SA as well which is what the National Guard uses, only with "monkey model" turret cheeks
>the optics
Yid detected.
moronic yid too. Leopards and abrams have been lost plenty of times in the hands of non-whites. At least in Ukrainian hands they're simply damaged and recoverable.
if last week started with a footage of destroyed abrams instead of leos poor janny would have to close the board /qa/ style because cope levels would be surreal
>if last week started with a footage of destroyed abrams instead of leos poor janny would have to close the board /qa/ style because cope levels would be surreal
its that but it would be worse,
imagine the optics of intact abrams "abandoned" in empty fricking fields, in the crumplezone, not the 3rd or even 2nd or 1st actual defense zone, but the literal shock absorber zone
an abrams being 'towed away' would be as bad as an F16 getting 'defected' to Russia or something
its simply never going to happen, and germany and the uk took the bait
>empty cornfields and wild grass hill-land
so what strategic value did the land where those vehicles objectively went down in, have?
they werent lost in urban combat, they hit fricking mines.....in an obvious minefield......
a literal fricking cornfield, or a literal fricking pastoral hillside, not a structure in site
a pre-sighted killing field, of elastic proportions
why deny this?
it happened, so how could it have *not* happened?
>it happened, so how could it have *not* happened?
Impossible to prevent driving on mines, so Western tanks are made to resist mines and save both the crew and the vehicle, which is working well as can be seen in this case.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>so Western tanks are made to resist mines and save both the crew and the vehicle, which is working well as can be seen in this case.
lol what?
the mines disabled the vehicles, or caused so much fear, the vehicle was abandoned (wich is arguably worse... why not retreat with it...?)
you arent supposed to use your (elite nato equipment) as the vanguard mine-clearing unit, you do realize that right?
the banzai charge should probably follow AT LEAST clearing the mines with lower value units
11 months ago
Anonymous
>you arent supposed to use your (elite nato equipment) as the vanguard mine-clearing unit, you do realize that right?
That's been a thing for over half a century now.
11 months ago
Anonymous
this is for clearing anti infantry mines though. An anti vehicle mine is going to frick you up, clearing device or not
11 months ago
Anonymous
They just use farm combines with Shields welded on anon. It's incredibly easy and fast to de mine massive areas. Just fricking duh.
11 months ago
Anonymous
You wouldn't need the flail to clear anti-personnel mines. You could just drive the tank over them.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>the mines disabled the vehicles, or caused so much fear, the vehicle was abandoned (wich is arguably worse... why not retreat with it...?)
Do you know what a mobility kill is, you moron? Most of the crew survived, and most of the vehicles are recoverable and repairable since the front moved forward. I've yet to see any destruction footage of immobilized tanks.
Also >must preserve elite nato equipment >lead with lower value units
Third world brown subhuman thinking. This is how human wave assaults are made.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Most of the crew survived, and most of the vehicles are recoverable and repairable since the front moved forward. I've yet to see any destruction footage of immobilized tanks.
the crew survived to do what? use what equipment next? with what training?
and do you really think orx left the leopard in any condition to be 'recovered'?
how?
Regional commanders were told to attack and then the greenness of the foreign trained battalions did the rest.
It seems that the Leopard trained boys are especially careless, though it should also be noticed that Tokmak is probably the most viciously defended part in the entirity of Ukraine by simple virtue of Tokmak being a greenzone spelling the end of all military ambitions for Russia in the Kherson oblast. And possibly make Crimea untenable if Ukraine decides to double tap the bridge
>Regional commanders were told to attack and then the greenness of the foreign trained battalions did the rest.
this had to have been known before hand..why give that order, knowing the execution would never work?
Regional commanders were told to attack and then the greenness of the foreign trained battalions did the rest.
It seems that the Leopard trained boys are especially careless, though it should also be noticed that Tokmak is probably the most viciously defended part in the entirity of Ukraine by simple virtue of Tokmak being a greenzone spelling the end of all military ambitions for Russia in the Kherson oblast. And possibly make Crimea untenable if Ukraine decides to double tap the bridge
>It seems that the Leopard trained boys are especially careless
why train your most *optical* hearts&minds winning unit with the particularly foolish or careless operators?
I dont doubt any else of what you said
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Answer me this, once they break through the lines, when will they ever need mine clearing leopards again?
all over the 1000mile+ front you absolute fricking dipshit
>If you're gonna lose 4 tanks to take an objective, you take 5 along.
you took no objectives and were obliterated in random pastoral field#4
if I was a Fin, a German or whoever the frick else got conned into this humiliation charge, I would be pissed >show me the factory still producing the equipment lost
oh..wait....
>you took no objectives and were obliterated in random pastoral field#4
Seems not.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I read as Ork Hive, ha
11 months ago
Anonymous
>the crew survived to do what? use what equipment next? with what training?
I know it matters not to third world brown subhumans, but while the manpower pool on both sides are great, the amount of men who are motivated, well trained, and experienced are limited. Just like Japanese pilots in WW2. For example, the major loss in the Battle of Midway for the Japanese weren't the carriers, which were replaced later, but the pilots, weren't.
But to specifically answer your question, these particular crews will be back in their tanks once the tracks get fixed.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>and do you really think orx left the leopard in any condition to be 'recovered'? >how?
They didn't have a choice the Ukrainians took that region and the damaged tanks are now behind their lines
Again, it seems people are in fricking denial of how defensive lines work in modern warfare.
A prepared defensive line just means more trenches and less shit dugouts. Thats it. The actual thing that makes a modern defensive line dangerous; terrain detoriation, hundreds of hidden shooting nests across the terrain, mines on known chokepoints, pre-sighted artillery; all of this comes from a battle-hardened defensive line, not a prepared defensive line.
In a sense "Nothing which is inspection ready is battle ready" is far more true for modern static defenses than anything else, because pretty much all assault strategy is designed around ripping through a prepared defensive line instantly. Once you allow yourself to get bogged down in a region, and you get the chaotic clusterfrick of trenches forming while every fallen tree hides a new machine gun nest and the only roads not bombed into untraversable craters are filled with mines, thats when you have a b***h on your hand.
Anyone who genuinely thinks that a defensive line that hasn't moved for 8 months in the midst of a hot conflict isn't by its very nature the most hardened line out of the bunch is a fricking moron. follow up lines are for breaking the momentum of a breakthrough, not for actually preventing it.
You don't mine future defensive lines (With AT mines) because you have no idea what the most dangerous off-road approaches are until the enemy is actually on the approach (Because it will depend on the circumstances, power and direction of their forces) and you don't put it on road because THATS WHERE YOUR LOGISTICS RUN YOU FRICKING moron.
I guess we agree, because major serious western equipment was lost in meaningless pastoral farmland, not in some infra-red battle at night deep in some urban combat zone, where, *presumably* actual gains will be made
how? how was *this* plan ok'd by "upper command"
the counteroffensive will be remembered as: >"The 200"
as if by design
>You are such a disingenuous mongoloid
what is your argument then?
why risk this equipment in the initial charge through the hedge?
why not save it for urban combat? or anything where bradury optics or leopard targeting could be a force multiplier?
Regional commanders were told to attack and then the greenness of the foreign trained battalions did the rest.
It seems that the Leopard trained boys are especially careless, though it should also be noticed that Tokmak is probably the most viciously defended part in the entirity of Ukraine by simple virtue of Tokmak being a greenzone spelling the end of all military ambitions for Russia in the Kherson oblast. And possibly make Crimea untenable if Ukraine decides to double tap the bridge
you can see the tanks that got btfo but that's hardly indicative of some mass failure overall; you don't really have any idea how many vehicles got thru, what losses the russians have suffered, or what objectives were realized otherwise.
i lament the destruction of those vehicles also - hopefully the crews made it out ok and they can be recovered and put back into service.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>you don't really have any idea how many vehicles got thru
In this specific area, there's no indication that any vehicles got through.
>deep in some urban combat zone
If western tanks and ifvs were lost in urban combat zones, you'd be kvetching about the reasoning of sending armor into urban defenses. I know your ~~*kind*~~.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Exactly this. Basically, subhumans can spin anything into a victory. They lost the war but scratched a tank? Victory. Had your country balkanized but shot down one(1) plane? Victory. Lost millions of soldiers but forced 1 marine regiment to retreat for a bit? Victory. It's the only thing preventing them from killing themselves for their subhumanity and inferiority. It's the DNA's self-preservation mechanism.
>and germany and the uk took the bait
UK was the one who donated tanks first. They didn't do it 'if the US sent tanks'. They just sent tanks. This then made Germany go 'We will only send tanks if the US send tanks' after saying they wouldn't send tanks unless Western MBTs were sent, after saying they wouldn't send tanks unless Western tanks were sent (then France sent their 'light tanks' so Germany had to back out).
So there is no 'took the bait' here from the Bongs. They seem to be the only nation that ultimately does not care about 'PR' and just wants to try and help Ukraine to win. Which is why they keep sending shit first. Even the F-16's being sent are because they started buying up F-16's from Western nations to train Ukrainians on and essentially forced USA to agree to it.
That's because the British are aware that the rest of the world knows their equipment sucks donkey balls, so they've got nothing left to lose. The US and Germany are still hoping not to get found out.
Yeah man that's why Poland signed a multibillion dollar deal with the Bongs for military equipment, why the Ukrainians keep asking for more stuff from the UK and why there are smoking accidents every time Storm Shadows are nearby. Weird coincidence. While the M777 is one of the most donated artillery pieces, or the M119... Weird!
As for 'rest of the world' knows it sucks? Frick. Better tell the USA. They buy an awful lot of BAE stuff.
The NLAW is British is it not? Seemed pretty effective to me. In fact as a whole this war has been a huge boon for the reputations of both the British arms industry and Britain as a foreign policy partner. Germans cucked out of sending significant lethal aid until their arm was twisted, France basically cucked out by buying the Russian line about an invasion not happening up until the very last moment but the UK stepped up first minute.
>They seem to be the only nation that ultimately does not care about 'PR' and just wants to try and help Ukraine to win.
Because the UK is acutely aware of what happened last time they, and the rest of Europe, cucked to a dictator with imperial aspirations
>bunkertroony spam would be cleared either way, there's nothing particular an abrams has over the leo.
that can be true, and still change nothing
this is an OPTICS thing as:
Out of curiosity any finnbros know what their government is thinking about this? I imagine they must be infuriated
>Out of curiosity any finnbros know what their government is thinking about this? I imagine they must be infuriated
has pointed out. this was tantamount to deliberate humiliation to sign off on using this equipment this way.
i mean come on: >you specially trained the units abroad >especially prepped them in theatre >.....then just let them 'go to town'... no guidance, no leadership...none of that none of the 40 years of manuever warfare in the desert could help... i mean the desert was WIDE open field all the same....... what didnt translate here?
>that time when isis goat frickers would pop iraqi monkey model abos with russian AT weapons left and right
I remember when that was the proof of abos being inferior to the T series even when the footage clearly shown the blast panels working and making the crew survive during a catastrophic ammo fire.
Absolutely NOTHING can restore even a shred of perceived might that russia held in its armor force after it funneled down entire columns of armor on a single road nearby thick forests, to be deleted by basic b***h AT4s and RPGs that ukrainians had lying around
So what happened to the celebrated - vaunted, even - counterbattery artillery supplied by NATO? Why didn't the ukrainians allocate a single himars or caesar to help cover their most well-equipped and trained assault brigade on the most critical axis of this attack?
Well, seems to me they had a couple failed pushes then made leaps and bounds of progress in the days after. I can only guess that counterbattery fire had something to do with it.
>mineclearing vehicles >tanks
Nothing. Its easy to disable a vehicle like a tank when its busy doing something else. Mine clearing in hostile environments is tricky.
This. One does not simply plow the Finnish soil.
Looks like they did an ok job with the black earth of Ukraine, at least until they got plowed themselves.
You asked that at 3 AM in Finland. At least wait until daybreak and for it to break into mainstream news first.
In any case the reaction is going to be one of mild disappointment, not anger.
Yes we are very angry, about Russians that is. The reality is that we can't send enough because there are still people thinking about the bottom line and what if muh trade resumes
>there are still people thinking about the bottom line and what if muh trade resumes
Genuinely wondering finnbro, who are these people in your country? In mine it's typically the far left and far right who are worried about "provoking" russia; on the left trannies who think Russia is communist and on the right Trump-poisoned Cucker Tarlson gays who think Russia is muh based trad and redpilled tsardom. Is it the same in Finland?
>on the right Trump-poisoned Cucker Tarlson gays who think Russia is muh based trad and redpilled tsardom
no i just take a cursory, non-second glance at my own country and military and see >total.gay.domination
and think: >"frick that forever"
its really that simple
>how come homophobia and antisemitism are fine by you, but not racism?
because I dont hate Chinese people
and I dont hate Russians >"I have no enemies"
the other two bullshit you described was "a choice"
11 months ago
Anonymous
nice english
11 months ago
Anonymous
If you hate gays then you should hate ryssians because the only russians who don't regularly frick men and boys in the ass are the women
11 months ago
Anonymous
>If you hate gays
lmfao, i dont "hate gays"
I dont even think about them untill they spawn in my face
lol I dont "hate" anyone,
how mal-adjusted are ~~*you*~~ people?
11 months ago
Anonymous
you've been going on about them all thread
11 months ago
Anonymous
>"an effective arguing technique must not be your actual stance"
t. sun zoo chpt 33.33
11 months ago
Anonymous
But that is true. Are you moronic?
techniques != stances
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Are you moronic?
without a doubt, at least to some extent
11 months ago
Anonymous
he was only pretending to say each and every ukrainian infant deserves to be maimed or killed
11 months ago
Anonymous
oh so you were only pretending to support russia because of "total gay domination" of the US
11 months ago
Anonymous
what if I "support Russia" over the price of bannanas'? what does it matter one way or the other?
he was only pretending to say each and every ukrainian infant deserves to be maimed or killed
but every /ugore/ video was a non-human...right?
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Why does the reason I have this particular position matter?
That is a great example of how third world people think and why you can't develop yourselves.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>That is a great example of how third world people think and why you can't develop yourselves.
I live in Indiana in pharonic luxury
I have no idea why you keep saying >"show hands" >'do not redeem ranjeet" >"wumao chang" >'~~*insert racist*~~) thing
when Im a 6ft tall, 3ft hair (34D gf), own a home, a 6speed manual truck.
you name it
its....funny I guess
11 months ago
Anonymous
How do you find time to earn a living when you post about bags full of shit all day?
11 months ago
Anonymous
>How do you find time to earn a living when you post about bags full of shit all day?
what would your logical guess be?
11 months ago
Anonymous
>a 6speed manual truck
Post it
>I live in Indiana
Then post passport
11 months ago
Anonymous
>not even putting effort anymore
You know vranyo is not a thing in anywhere BUT Russia right?
11 months ago
Anonymous
yo >"vranyo"
lol someone called me a : >"peterdorskie"
and i have no clue what it means.. still!
11 months ago
Anonymous
>3ft hair
Stop posting anytime, Sasquatch
11 months ago
Anonymous
leave the kids out of it you fricking nonce
11 months ago
Anonymous
>leave the kids out of it you fricking nonce
they have been "in it" since day-1
optics or not
11 months ago
Anonymous
Lmao. Are back into your Indiana persona?
11 months ago
Anonymous
no I really am that.
cant you idiots pull my IP and mess with my life or whatever your threats are? I dont even use a VPN FFS
11 months ago
Anonymous
Post your passport
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Post your passport
11 months ago
Anonymous
Apparently you hate books too.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Apparently you hate books too.
particularly anything in the "richard dawkins" adjacent section
Oh, right, so you're a cucker tarlson gay who lets trannies live in his head rent-free, my mistake. Compared to buttrape russia "total.gay.domination" sounds like paradise.
>no i just take a cursory, non-second glance at my own country and military and see
Ok, now try spending time in and around the military instead of listening to moronic PR posts and Russian funded shills.
I will grant you though the US Navy has a massive Black person problem, but their continued insane deployment tempos that drive out anyone worth a damn did more for that than any diversity programs.
Mostly, but also moderates on both sides. Lefties because they're the children and disciples of tankies and think NATO bad warmonger but ignore shit like the Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia and Afghanistan because Kekkonen ignored them too. Righties because what about muh trade and muh personal enrichment
The FDF brass debated whether to send a platoon of normal Leos but decided every MBT is needed at home. We sent our handful of obsolete engineering vehicles instead.
Personally I'm happy every time a tank is destroyed in a war instead of being sold for scrap. Why would anyone be infuriated? A donated vehicle is free to be deployed by Ukies as they please.
No one cares. Leo 2Rs were donated to Ukraine and they can waste then how ever they like. Leo 2R didn't work during winter so it was basically useless in Finland.
Answer me this, once they break through the lines, when will they ever need mine clearing leopards again? Tanks are like hand grenades, does it really matter how many grenades you use to clear a building? Especially if it saves the lives of guys who would otherwise have to CQB through every room?
If you're gonna lose 4 tanks to take an objective, you take 5 along.
According Russian reports Ukrainians have advanced 20kms and there's 15km left to Tokmak, after which it's tempo time.
>Answer me this, once they break through the lines, when will they ever need mine clearing leopards again?
all over the 1000mile+ front you absolute fricking dipshit
>If you're gonna lose 4 tanks to take an objective, you take 5 along.
you took no objectives and were obliterated in random pastoral field#4
if I was a Fin, a German or whoever the frick else got conned into this humiliation charge, I would be pissed >show me the factory still producing the equipment lost
oh..wait....
>all over the 1000mile+ front you absolute fricking dipshit >He thinks they need to break through all over the entire frontline and he's calling me a dipshit
Holy frick you're moronic. You see if I break through into your rear areas your frontal units have to fall back or else I'm just going to roll around and destroy their supplies and come at them from behind, isolate them and defeat them in detail. I don't need to roll back to the start line 500 meters down the line and do it all over again.
You must be the smartest /misc/ strategist. No wonder you fricking morons think Russia is winning.
You fricking moron. You Black person gorilla animal.
>all over the 1000mile+ front you absolute fricking dipshit
Nope. Mine clearing vehicles were used in the Gulf War to break through the minefield at the border. After that their role was virtually done.
Oh noes, a few vehicles were lightly damaged in the process of overrunning another russian position and will have to be recovered and repaired in a day or two. Such catastrophe. Much yikes.
Is there anything that has actually proven to be good at mine clearing?
This is making me think the future of warfare will just be mine spam lobbing under cover of loitering munition
>board about weapons >post weapons >>n-n-not those o-ones!
lol
on PrepHole? a place where literally millions of people post every day? holy frick.
[...]
I think it's because they have some personal take in the conflict whereas others don't give a shit. I just like weapons, don't care if they're shredding commies or ukies.
Gonna post the other ones too since they're really cool.
Da! With this military and technological victory we can't keep supplying ukraine anymore. Lets cut our losses.
It's just projection. >all we can do is refurbish from stockpiles >as you can seem all the Americans are doing is also refurbishing from stockpiles >that means new tanks cannot be built
With that said, replacing specialized vehicles would be impossible on short notice. It will take months at the very least, but the more likely answer is "never" because no Western country has shifted to wartime production. The only ones that have kicked up are Bulgarian, Serbian, Czech and Polish small arms and ammo manufacturers.
>Donate front line vehicle to country currently at war >It ends up destroyed >WAIT WE WON'T GET IT BACK?!
I'm pretty sure the Fins are well aware of what a 'donation' is.
>I'm pretty sure the Fins are well aware of what a 'donation' is.
perhaps 'donations' of this caliber should be treated as 'priority' rather than "triviality"? no?
>sending drips and drabs piecemeal >lost the same way
They can get serious or Poland & co. are just going to send in 'foreign legion' volonteers en masse.
I find it funny that people keep going >haha look Ukraine lost stuff attacking Russia! hahaha!
But surely Russia shouldn't be in this position in the first place? Surely the 2nd army in the world should not be in a situation where the Ukranians have managed to petition, get, train, form and then execute an attack on weapon systems from dozens of different countries AND make progress against the second army in the world.
Why have we gone from >Warsaw in 3 days >Berlin in 2 weeks >Paris in a month >London in 2 months
To >Well Moscow haven't fallen yet! Haha! We're WINNING!
putting three mine-rollers into a situation where they can be disabled artillery is certainly a mistake. but yeah, having cruise missiles but failing to put an end to your enemy's military preparedness in week 1 is a pretty poor show for a "superpower."
>you absolutely took the bait, the US said >and German isnta-shipped leopards
NTA but he's literally saying the same thing about the Germans except with the UK in the loop baiting them as well.
So far we've had some footage of the same few engagements in fields and some Ukrainians raising flags in villages so at this point we can't draw any significant conclusions. Well other than the fact Russia really needs some drones with cameras from this century.
>we can't draw any significant conclusions.
however, the conclusions we CAN DRAW are >no nato waffles lost in urban combat >no nato waffles lost at night, using thermals, near anything resembling a military objective >nothing urban/nothing at night
Why are so obsessed woth urban combat?
Everyone (except you) already knows why we don't get footage of night fighting but I'm curious as to why you think Ukraine should be diving into urban combat during the manoeuvre phase of a major offensive push?
things I learned as a "flyover™burger" >cornfields dont vote >only cities matter >~~*the governemnt*~~ has nukes so i should give up my rifle
urban combat is like..
its like....
when you take over a city...
....you know?
...a region?
doing donuts and burnouts in cornfields is cool ... but...
11 months ago
Anonymous
You need to work on you reading anon
I didn't ask WHAT urban combat is, I asked WHY Ukraine would seek to engage in urban combat during a major offensive manoeuvre
Now try again but actually read the question this time
11 months ago
Anonymous
>~~**~~
Racist.
11 months ago
Anonymous
post guns
11 months ago
Anonymous
I am a confirmed Catholic™ and I abhor all violence
my Confirmed name is "Thomas" as in "Thomas Aquinas" and I am not smart, and dont know anything ok, i just dont
11 months ago
Anonymous
you love violence against children
11 months ago
Anonymous
I was a witness
=/=
learn "irony"
learn "self reflection"
11 months ago
Anonymous
you think this schizo babble somehow excuses what you said?
11 months ago
Anonymous
>"without lights or...without you!"
was a complete failure of a campaign, and got more children killed than it saved
I remember: >"shelters of invincibility"
that were fricking honda generators and little-league baseball free-coffee
what exactly point are you trying to make?
I was with you the whole time...dont you see?
haha sweet man livin the nomad life! they should live the vanlife, just get a sweet Sprinter and outfit it with some bunkies and room for their mountain bikes, they probably wouldn't even have to use most of their trust funds
The thread is still here. You pajeet russian shills need to understand that combat footage or threads about weapons never get deleted but you morons always open the threads with your stupid shill speech NATO troony TANKS DESTROYED ALL BY GLORIOUS RUSSIA ITS OVER FOR israeliteLINSKY yadda yadda
people are just tired of your propaganda.
btw yes, this is the same column of the first fricking day, already geolocated but you obviously dont care about that.
So with Ukraine's first 'probe' they went in with one mine clearer (which makes the tank very heavy and slow) so when that tank got disabled they had to retreat. When they did, Russia re-minded the tracks and you can guess what happened. It looks like they learned their lesson and put mine clearers on all the tanks making them all slow and easy targets.
I can't wait to see what they try next to impress Papa Biden.
Trying to give Slavic people advanced weapons and expecting them to use them correctly is like giving Black folk in Africa advanced western shit when their racial warrior ethos calls for white toyota technicals.
Slavs fight with AKs, RPGs, T-72s, and human wave tactics. There is no middle ground and no adapting them to western methods. That is the warrior ethos of their race.
As an unironic Ukraine supporter, I think at least one company (the ones that wasted the 3 mine-rollers) was just poorly trained. Hopefully it provides an abject lesson to the rest of them; trials by fire are painful, but they can be worth it if you actually learn from even the most crippling mistakes.
No it wasn't. Yeah I'll admit the money might have been wasted on those guys specifically but judging from the villages Ukraine has taken the other units are performing better.
>trust me bro ukraine intentionally gave their most valuable mine clearing tanks to some random unit
I realize you're just coping, but you're really not making the ukrainians look any more competent/less corrupt, anon.
As an unironic Ukraine supporter, I think at least one company (the ones that wasted the 3 mine-rollers) was just poorly trained. Hopefully it provides an abject lesson to the rest of them; trials by fire are painful, but they can be worth it if you actually learn from even the most crippling mistakes.
that was their best trained unit. feel free to think about what that implies about where the foreign aid actually went.
So glad we donated 8 of our Leopard II's so they could needlessly get blown up by morons who don't know how to drive them and don't give a shit because everyone just keeps giving them free shit.
It's like a spoiled brat, no respect for anything because they don't pay for anything themselves.
I have literally never posted those before now, I just saw them in a thread yesterday and saved them. You are fricking bananas holy shit.Take your meds, seriously, not all of us spend 24/7 on 4chinz
11 months ago
Anonymous
If you say the same things someone said yesterday and post the same webm's its not unreasonable to assume you are the same person.
11 months ago
Anonymous
on PrepHole? a place where literally millions of people post every day? holy frick.
weird how mad they get just over posting ruskie drone videos
I think it's because they have some personal take in the conflict whereas others don't give a shit. I just like weapons, don't care if they're shredding commies or ukies.
Gonna post the other ones too since they're really cool.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>millions of people post every day >PrepHole
11 months ago
Anonymous
>my behavior fits a pattern >near identical >how dare you draw conclusions from it
Same vids. Same argument. Same dude.
Post guns.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>post guns
gonna post an exploding drone instead, stay mad you schizophrenic moron
11 months ago
Anonymous
>not even pretending anymore
That is why you are only paid 5 rubles per hour.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Pretending what? Do you post anything weapons related or just cry and whine about Ukies getting blown up? It's a war you b***hmade pussy.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>paid 5 rupees per hour
ftfy.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Yep, case closed.
>NOOO YOU CAN'T POST VIDS OF RUSSIAN VICTORIES!!!1111
back to r*ddit with you
Get real.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>NOOO YOU CAN'T POST VIDS OF RUSSIAN VICTORIES!!!1111
back to r*ddit with you
11 months ago
Anonymous
You totally doesn't look like a tourist.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Yep, case closed.
[...]
Get real.
>stop posting those videos, they hurt my feelings!!!!11
lmfao you people are fricking pathetic
/k/ is a shithole
11 months ago
Anonymous
>/k/ is a shithole
Then go back to wherever you came from
11 months ago
Anonymous
not before I'm done pissing in your mouth
11 months ago
Anonymous
He already pantsed you and now you're standing in front of everyone with your little dick out. Just go, Red.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Come on, don't say it like that, you have been here for just a few hours. You haven't even met armatard yet.
11 months ago
Anonymous
weird how mad they get just over posting ruskie drone videos
im an American from Indiana, I have too many to do that, or post my hands.. however, if you search the catalog, you will find my picture, and other things that a *post hands* or *post guns* poster would ask for
we used to sign our posts with "Frick ya mudda" but... we the stand-up meetings had too many off-topic points
Yeah the Russians just wasted over 15 million mines. Minefields don't just work by themselves. Hahaha its not like a haunted house. You can just run a giant combine over it with chains and detonate a couple hundred kilometers of mines easy in a day with one. Fricking thirdies I swear I love them same with with white trash. Cracks me up
>Because it shows the best equipped and trained brigade that nato could field getting utterly raped by drunk russian mobiks, and that's the sort of thing that might get people asking awkward questions. >MUH STONK DRUNK RUSSIANS
snow Black folk are already mostly dead, oh no you thirdies finally got a couple of tnaks blown up, congrats, first win you've gotten in almost two years.
I hope wherever you live you get dysentery and drop dead so we don't have to deal with your shit stained subhuman IQ shitposting.
We’ve had this same conversation 1,000 times already. In the age of cheap, effective ATGMs and drones, MBTs become mobile coffins without stupid amounts of surrounding infantry support, which counters the reasons you would want them in the first place.
Assuming you're the guy who made all those tank bad threads, a big part of the pushback came from the word 'tank' being way too broad a concept for everything it covers to be obsolete. However, when you compare the difference between a spitfire/f35 and panther/leopard2, MBTs really haven't moved much since WWII and the first country to design its ground superiority vehicle around the current threat environment is going to have a big land warfare advantage.
>how could vehicle losses happen in a war zone?!? This is outrageous, these 3 destroyed tanks prove Ukraine will never defeat Russia and the line will hold!
>best equipped and trained brigade that nato could field >rushed through training with cold war era surplus and tanks stripped of modern upgrades
ok pidor.
And the jannies deleted my thread for pointing out it was stupid for Ukraine to attack without sufficient airpower and the promised delivery of hundreds of Abrams.
A lot of good Ukrainian soldiers are going to die because the civilian leadership was impatient and couldn't wait to shoot their load.
>A lot of good Ukrainian soldiers are going to die because the civilian leadership was impatient and couldn't wait to shoot their load.
Honestly I think there was pressure from some of the donor countries too, the economy isn't great and sending materiel without results was starting to look bad to the electorate
>Honestly I think there was pressure from some of the donor countries too
No, it's been the other way around. We're the ones who have been telling Ukraine, "Wait - Wait for the cruise missiles, tanks, and fighter jets, wait to build up your army".
We said this before Kharkiv/Kherson, we said it during Bakhmut when we advised the Ukrainians to abandon the town months before it became a horrible salient after Soledar fell.
I understand why Ukraine is attacking. It's not our cities being burned, not our children being kidnapped and brainwashed, it's not our people being forcefully deported and stripped of citizenship to be drafted as cannon fodder, if not outright murdered, but all that doesn't make it sound and wise to attack. Not when the fate of your people ride on the account.
They had 6 Leopard 2Rs. We know they they've lost half.
They have a hundred Western MBTs. They've already lost 10% of that.
the donated Bradleys are probably another 10% loss as well, if not more on account of being less armoured.
The war of attrition has actually been in Ukraine's favour, and they have forced Russia to hold two rounds of conscription already they have struggled with. They should have waited, until they could deliver the real knock-out blow like we did in the Gulf War. The Russians are the ones who are obligated to attack to end the war, and were more than willing to oblige with their meatwaves at Avdiivka and Vuhledar because Ukraine has been expanding the war to Russia itself, and the Russian public has been, just like the USA in Vietnam, willing to put up with the war so long as it didn't inconvenience them
Will Ukraine win? Yeah, probably. WIll they lose more men than they should? Definitely.
What would Ukraine be waiting for? Western fighter jets? Even if they get a couple dozen F-16s and a couple dozen F-18s they are unlikely to gain NATO-style air dominance, and that's a long road to get there.
>What would Ukraine be waiting for?
hundreds of Abrams, jets, the million artillery shells quota the EU has promised, LAVs, and AA systems, rifles, machineguns, mortars, missiles of all type, soldiers that have more than 1 month bootcamp before being sent into battle, or in the case of Bakhmut, TDFs that had little to no training and were expected to hold the line (Yes, this did happen. Yes, Western media outlets like the Washington Post covered it) >they are unlikely to gain NATO-style air dominance,
The RuAF has already conceded the skies over Ukraine because they no longer have access to the parts necessary to maintain their platforms. Ukraine has been winning the war of attrition in the air. the Russian Airforce can not afford losses. There is no replacement for every helicopter and plane shot down. They can't even replace civilian planes anymore. their number of sorties has incessantly dwindled as time goes on.
Once again, we are expecting the UAF to fight a war like we would without the key component: overwhelming airpower to neutralize the enemy's superiority in artillery, and logistics.
That makes sense friend anon. That said, I also think another reason for them to attack ASAP is because the more time the Russians have, the better fortified they can make their positions. The ukies are having a lot of trouble now because these defensive positions are actually established, since the Russians were allowed to for like a year or so. If we had started training Ukrainian forces on the tanks and the aircraft and sent them over at the start of the war, Ukraine could have crushed Russia entirely during the Kharkiv TEMPO TEMPO TEMPO. But of course thats hindsight being 20/20, nobody knew Kyiv would actually last so long. It does still suck tho.
Oh hey, it's this zigger concern troll BS again.
Meanwhile the ukies don't give a frick and have so far suffered ridiculously light losses for a multi-brigade offensive that has already taken back in a week more ground than the Russians took over the last 10 months.
>Meanwhile the ukies don't give a frick and have so far suffered ridiculously light losses for a multi-brigade offensive
You don't know this to be true. You have no evidence either for or against the reported number of casualties. So shut the frick up. No better or different than Bahgdad Bob. >Oh hey, it's this zigger concern troll BS again.
Yes, I am a concern troll that wants Ukraine to win without unecessary casualties. Of course.
Its AI generated lmfao. Look at how the wheels are like melting into themselves.
But this image is not AI-generated with vehicles and effects added later in Photoshop, amirite?
Totally normal texture of land, flat paths of vehicles, cloned mesh of trees on the side, visual artifacts. 100% legit
This is unironically concerning to me. Obviously mine-clearing vehicles will suffer huge losses which is normal and expected when performing something as dangerous and fraught as a breach, but I don't know if ukraine has enough of this things to be burning through them at this rate. They still have a frick ton of minefield to clear before they break through to russian defensive lines so they can't be losing three vehicles to a single minefield. Although they have more than just these 6 2Rs obviously, I wonder how many mine-clearing vehicles they have in total.
Can't you put a plow on any tank? With Ukraine advancing they could recover the plows from the disabled tanks pictured and bolt to another working tank.
the 100 or so Leopard 1a5s they're receiving from us are modular and have the capability to be used for mine clearance, as well as other engineering work. They will most likely be used ASAP to replace the losses monkeys like this guy
Oh hey, it's this zigger concern troll BS again.
Meanwhile the ukies don't give a frick and have so far suffered ridiculously light losses for a multi-brigade offensive that has already taken back in a week more ground than the Russians took over the last 10 months.
want to pretend are not happening.
I thought originally they would be intended for bridge laying and crossing the Dnieper, but if the Zaporizhia groups are losing their demining vehicles this quickly, they will be sent there instead.
I don't know if I'd want to be demining in a 1A5. Not as much armour and does the engine even have enough horsepower to do the "safe" form of demining where it ploughs all the soil up and digs under the mines?
Once Ukraine is through, they're through. Russia is likely not in a fit state to mount an offensive and regain lost land. If it takes 500 tanks to break the land bridge, so be it. I'm mote concerned about the crews than the kit.
Is it just me or do the zignogs seem more butthurt now than a year ago during the tactical gesture of goodwill at Kharkiv? Must be really bad this time.
So many fricking idiots in this thread that's even impressive, do we have here atleast someone competent who know how mine-clearing works???
From what i understood - all those mine-clearing vehicles have their resource, you can't just slap a plow to it and involnurably go through 99999999999 mines
Again, from what i heard plough on soviet tanks can take only couple of mines, after that mechamic-driver gets cuncussions and is fricked, probably the same for leos too, they just expanded their mine-clearing resource
no (this thread will be deleted)
Wait why? It's about weapons
Already a thread up
Oh my bad. I didn't know
Sure you didn't
There's no thread regarding HMBV's. 1 more week and they'll be fully extinct.
1 more week and they'll still have suffered 0 non-recoverable losses, you mean.
The vehicle on fire to the right of that picture is a German-made recovery vehicle.
why even write an article like that, it's misleading and pointless
>expecting quality journalism from David Hax
Because /k/ cannot handle Ukraine losing
>Because /k/ cannot handle Ukraine losing
What a bunch of moronic Piggers. Should have used a drone with a metal detector hanging from it, sweep the area and arty any mine locations.
>already spamming board with multiple threads
Good Lord this has awakened something in me
Heterosexuality?
Coom
ZOG employees have been spamming this board with reddit-tier garbage until it is 50-75% propaganda for the last year. Dont cry.
>Please ignore how i havent used all the other threads about it or the QTDDTOT thread.
Leopards are junk. Ukraine should resume tactics it used in previous counteroffensives for better results.
>mine clearing vehicle
>lost to mines
is it because leopards are trash or because they were badly used?
slowly crossing a field that arty has pre sighted is quite tricky
Are you moronic or just russian?
Those are the old mine-clearing tanks Finland gave them because they don't work.
Honestly a real shame they weren't just given Abrams from the beginning.
the optics of what that will inevitably look like, is exactly why the leopard and the challenger get to humiliate themselves first
the US is gunna *nope* out on that folley
Why? Neither the Challenger or the Abrams are what their respective countries use. They are not equipped with the defensive upgrades that their respective countries use. Export Abrams (which these essentially are) have been lost plenty of times. As have Leopards. Dunno if Oman has lost any Challengers.
What? The challengers are the exact same as the British army uses.
The Abrams are gonna be M1A1SA as well which is what the National Guard uses, only with "monkey model" turret cheeks
>the optics
Yid detected.
moronic yid too. Leopards and abrams have been lost plenty of times in the hands of non-whites. At least in Ukrainian hands they're simply damaged and recoverable.
if last week started with a footage of destroyed abrams instead of leos poor janny would have to close the board /qa/ style because cope levels would be surreal
>if last week started with a footage of destroyed abrams instead of leos poor janny would have to close the board /qa/ style because cope levels would be surreal
its that but it would be worse,
imagine the optics of intact abrams "abandoned" in empty fricking fields, in the crumplezone, not the 3rd or even 2nd or 1st actual defense zone, but the literal shock absorber zone
an abrams being 'towed away' would be as bad as an F16 getting 'defected' to Russia or something
its simply never going to happen, and germany and the uk took the bait
>the crumplezone, not the 3rd or even 2nd or 1st actual defense zone
this is zigger cope
>empty cornfields and wild grass hill-land
so what strategic value did the land where those vehicles objectively went down in, have?
they werent lost in urban combat, they hit fricking mines.....in an obvious minefield......
a literal fricking cornfield, or a literal fricking pastoral hillside, not a structure in site
a pre-sighted killing field, of elastic proportions
why deny this?
it happened, so how could it have *not* happened?
>it happened, so how could it have *not* happened?
Impossible to prevent driving on mines, so Western tanks are made to resist mines and save both the crew and the vehicle, which is working well as can be seen in this case.
>so Western tanks are made to resist mines and save both the crew and the vehicle, which is working well as can be seen in this case.
lol what?
the mines disabled the vehicles, or caused so much fear, the vehicle was abandoned (wich is arguably worse... why not retreat with it...?)
you arent supposed to use your (elite nato equipment) as the vanguard mine-clearing unit, you do realize that right?
the banzai charge should probably follow AT LEAST clearing the mines with lower value units
>you arent supposed to use your (elite nato equipment) as the vanguard mine-clearing unit, you do realize that right?
That's been a thing for over half a century now.
this is for clearing anti infantry mines though. An anti vehicle mine is going to frick you up, clearing device or not
They just use farm combines with Shields welded on anon. It's incredibly easy and fast to de mine massive areas. Just fricking duh.
You wouldn't need the flail to clear anti-personnel mines. You could just drive the tank over them.
>the mines disabled the vehicles, or caused so much fear, the vehicle was abandoned (wich is arguably worse... why not retreat with it...?)
Do you know what a mobility kill is, you moron? Most of the crew survived, and most of the vehicles are recoverable and repairable since the front moved forward. I've yet to see any destruction footage of immobilized tanks.
Also
>must preserve elite nato equipment
>lead with lower value units
Third world brown subhuman thinking. This is how human wave assaults are made.
>Most of the crew survived, and most of the vehicles are recoverable and repairable since the front moved forward. I've yet to see any destruction footage of immobilized tanks.
the crew survived to do what? use what equipment next? with what training?
and do you really think orx left the leopard in any condition to be 'recovered'?
how?
>Regional commanders were told to attack and then the greenness of the foreign trained battalions did the rest.
this had to have been known before hand..why give that order, knowing the execution would never work?
>It seems that the Leopard trained boys are especially careless
why train your most *optical* hearts&minds winning unit with the particularly foolish or careless operators?
I dont doubt any else of what you said
>you took no objectives and were obliterated in random pastoral field#4
Seems not.
I read as Ork Hive, ha
>the crew survived to do what? use what equipment next? with what training?
I know it matters not to third world brown subhumans, but while the manpower pool on both sides are great, the amount of men who are motivated, well trained, and experienced are limited. Just like Japanese pilots in WW2. For example, the major loss in the Battle of Midway for the Japanese weren't the carriers, which were replaced later, but the pilots, weren't.
But to specifically answer your question, these particular crews will be back in their tanks once the tracks get fixed.
>and do you really think orx left the leopard in any condition to be 'recovered'?
>how?
They didn't have a choice the Ukrainians took that region and the damaged tanks are now behind their lines
>this is zigger cope
47.4872004, 35.8877279 is where leos got fricked
look that place up before screeching about ZIGGER COPE, pigger coper
>UK
Lol they delayed the arrival of their tanks, probably for this reason
Again, it seems people are in fricking denial of how defensive lines work in modern warfare.
A prepared defensive line just means more trenches and less shit dugouts. Thats it. The actual thing that makes a modern defensive line dangerous; terrain detoriation, hundreds of hidden shooting nests across the terrain, mines on known chokepoints, pre-sighted artillery; all of this comes from a battle-hardened defensive line, not a prepared defensive line.
In a sense "Nothing which is inspection ready is battle ready" is far more true for modern static defenses than anything else, because pretty much all assault strategy is designed around ripping through a prepared defensive line instantly. Once you allow yourself to get bogged down in a region, and you get the chaotic clusterfrick of trenches forming while every fallen tree hides a new machine gun nest and the only roads not bombed into untraversable craters are filled with mines, thats when you have a b***h on your hand.
Anyone who genuinely thinks that a defensive line that hasn't moved for 8 months in the midst of a hot conflict isn't by its very nature the most hardened line out of the bunch is a fricking moron. follow up lines are for breaking the momentum of a breakthrough, not for actually preventing it.
And anciliary to this
You don't mine future defensive lines (With AT mines) because you have no idea what the most dangerous off-road approaches are until the enemy is actually on the approach (Because it will depend on the circumstances, power and direction of their forces) and you don't put it on road because THATS WHERE YOUR LOGISTICS RUN YOU FRICKING moron.
I guess we agree, because major serious western equipment was lost in meaningless pastoral farmland, not in some infra-red battle at night deep in some urban combat zone, where, *presumably* actual gains will be made
how? how was *this* plan ok'd by "upper command"
the counteroffensive will be remembered as: >"The 200"
as if by design
You are such a disingenuous mongoloid
>You are such a disingenuous mongoloid
what is your argument then?
why risk this equipment in the initial charge through the hedge?
why not save it for urban combat? or anything where bradury optics or leopard targeting could be a force multiplier?
Regional commanders were told to attack and then the greenness of the foreign trained battalions did the rest.
It seems that the Leopard trained boys are especially careless, though it should also be noticed that Tokmak is probably the most viciously defended part in the entirity of Ukraine by simple virtue of Tokmak being a greenzone spelling the end of all military ambitions for Russia in the Kherson oblast. And possibly make Crimea untenable if Ukraine decides to double tap the bridge
>where, *presumably* actual gains will be made
you can see the tanks that got btfo but that's hardly indicative of some mass failure overall; you don't really have any idea how many vehicles got thru, what losses the russians have suffered, or what objectives were realized otherwise.
i lament the destruction of those vehicles also - hopefully the crews made it out ok and they can be recovered and put back into service.
>you don't really have any idea how many vehicles got thru
In this specific area, there's no indication that any vehicles got through.
>deep in some urban combat zone
If western tanks and ifvs were lost in urban combat zones, you'd be kvetching about the reasoning of sending armor into urban defenses. I know your ~~*kind*~~.
Exactly this. Basically, subhumans can spin anything into a victory. They lost the war but scratched a tank? Victory. Had your country balkanized but shot down one(1) plane? Victory. Lost millions of soldiers but forced 1 marine regiment to retreat for a bit? Victory. It's the only thing preventing them from killing themselves for their subhumanity and inferiority. It's the DNA's self-preservation mechanism.
>and germany and the uk took the bait
UK was the one who donated tanks first. They didn't do it 'if the US sent tanks'. They just sent tanks. This then made Germany go 'We will only send tanks if the US send tanks' after saying they wouldn't send tanks unless Western MBTs were sent, after saying they wouldn't send tanks unless Western tanks were sent (then France sent their 'light tanks' so Germany had to back out).
So there is no 'took the bait' here from the Bongs. They seem to be the only nation that ultimately does not care about 'PR' and just wants to try and help Ukraine to win. Which is why they keep sending shit first. Even the F-16's being sent are because they started buying up F-16's from Western nations to train Ukrainians on and essentially forced USA to agree to it.
That's because the British are aware that the rest of the world knows their equipment sucks donkey balls, so they've got nothing left to lose. The US and Germany are still hoping not to get found out.
yes, please stop sending the useless equipment, nato
Yeah man that's why Poland signed a multibillion dollar deal with the Bongs for military equipment, why the Ukrainians keep asking for more stuff from the UK and why there are smoking accidents every time Storm Shadows are nearby. Weird coincidence. While the M777 is one of the most donated artillery pieces, or the M119... Weird!
As for 'rest of the world' knows it sucks? Frick. Better tell the USA. They buy an awful lot of BAE stuff.
Better tell BAE that because that is some weird ass stock price rising after the war started then.
The NLAW is British is it not? Seemed pretty effective to me. In fact as a whole this war has been a huge boon for the reputations of both the British arms industry and Britain as a foreign policy partner. Germans cucked out of sending significant lethal aid until their arm was twisted, France basically cucked out by buying the Russian line about an invasion not happening up until the very last moment but the UK stepped up first minute.
Brimstone is too. As is Storm Shadow.
>They seem to be the only nation that ultimately does not care about 'PR' and just wants to try and help Ukraine to win.
Because the UK is acutely aware of what happened last time they, and the rest of Europe, cucked to a dictator with imperial aspirations
>close the board /qa/ style
What happened?
the board was mostly unmoderated
one day a single poster from there wiped 3 pages of /lgbt/ spamming troonjaks and then the mods killed the board
bunkertroony spam would be cleared either way, there's nothing particular an abrams has over the leo.
>bunkertroony spam would be cleared either way, there's nothing particular an abrams has over the leo.
that can be true, and still change nothing
this is an OPTICS thing as:
>Out of curiosity any finnbros know what their government is thinking about this? I imagine they must be infuriated
has pointed out. this was tantamount to deliberate humiliation to sign off on using this equipment this way.
i mean come on:
>you specially trained the units abroad
>especially prepped them in theatre
>.....then just let them 'go to town'... no guidance, no leadership...none of that none of the 40 years of manuever warfare in the desert could help... i mean the desert was WIDE open field all the same....... what didnt translate here?
You get this completely wrong.
>You get this completely wrong.
? how?
an abrams abandoned in a cornfield is going to look ..uh.. not good
>that time when isis goat frickers would pop iraqi monkey model abos with russian AT weapons left and right
I remember when that was the proof of abos being inferior to the T series even when the footage clearly shown the blast panels working and making the crew survive during a catastrophic ammo fire.
Absolutely NOTHING can restore even a shred of perceived might that russia held in its armor force after it funneled down entire columns of armor on a single road nearby thick forests, to be deleted by basic b***h AT4s and RPGs that ukrainians had lying around
It's fricking moronic how we are drip feeding the heavy equipment to Ukraine.
Sorry, but we're saving our gear for important stuff like defending israel or capturing some oil fields.
>T-90s get fricked
>Leopards get fricked
What if MBTs just suck?
The Russians are saying it was drone corrected artillery fire. I'd almost bet driving across a field while focused by arty just sucks
So what happened to the celebrated - vaunted, even - counterbattery artillery supplied by NATO? Why didn't the ukrainians allocate a single himars or caesar to help cover their most well-equipped and trained assault brigade on the most critical axis of this attack?
Well, seems to me they had a couple failed pushes then made leaps and bounds of progress in the days after. I can only guess that counterbattery fire had something to do with it.
Maybe. German engineering has never been good.
>mineclearing vehicles
>tanks
Nothing. Its easy to disable a vehicle like a tank when its busy doing something else. Mine clearing in hostile environments is tricky.
A SECOND thread on this. I take it the zigger telegrams are doomposting in Russian and compensate by spamming this.
Out of curiosity any finnbros know what their government is thinking about this? I imagine they must be infuriated
Leo 2R was so useless that Finland wanted to get rid of them anyway.
This. One does not simply plow the Finnish soil.
Looks like they did an ok job with the black earth of Ukraine, at least until they got plowed themselves.
You asked that at 3 AM in Finland. At least wait until daybreak and for it to break into mainstream news first.
In any case the reaction is going to be one of mild disappointment, not anger.
Yes we are very angry, about Russians that is. The reality is that we can't send enough because there are still people thinking about the bottom line and what if muh trade resumes
>there are still people thinking about the bottom line and what if muh trade resumes
Genuinely wondering finnbro, who are these people in your country? In mine it's typically the far left and far right who are worried about "provoking" russia; on the left trannies who think Russia is communist and on the right Trump-poisoned Cucker Tarlson gays who think Russia is muh based trad and redpilled tsardom. Is it the same in Finland?
>on the right Trump-poisoned Cucker Tarlson gays who think Russia is muh based trad and redpilled tsardom
no i just take a cursory, non-second glance at my own country and military and see
>total.gay.domination
and think:
>"frick that forever"
its really that simple
how come homophobia and antisemitism are fine by you, but not racism?
>how come homophobia and antisemitism are fine by you, but not racism?
because I dont hate Chinese people
and I dont hate Russians
>"I have no enemies"
the other two bullshit you described was "a choice"
nice english
If you hate gays then you should hate ryssians because the only russians who don't regularly frick men and boys in the ass are the women
>If you hate gays
lmfao, i dont "hate gays"
I dont even think about them untill they spawn in my face
lol I dont "hate" anyone,
how mal-adjusted are ~~*you*~~ people?
you've been going on about them all thread
>"an effective arguing technique must not be your actual stance"
t. sun zoo chpt 33.33
But that is true. Are you moronic?
techniques != stances
>Are you moronic?
without a doubt, at least to some extent
he was only pretending to say each and every ukrainian infant deserves to be maimed or killed
oh so you were only pretending to support russia because of "total gay domination" of the US
what if I "support Russia" over the price of bannanas'? what does it matter one way or the other?
but every /ugore/ video was a non-human...right?
>Why does the reason I have this particular position matter?
That is a great example of how third world people think and why you can't develop yourselves.
>That is a great example of how third world people think and why you can't develop yourselves.
I live in Indiana in pharonic luxury
I have no idea why you keep saying
>"show hands"
>'do not redeem ranjeet"
>"wumao chang"
>'~~*insert racist*~~) thing
when Im a 6ft tall, 3ft hair (34D gf), own a home, a 6speed manual truck.
you name it
its....funny I guess
How do you find time to earn a living when you post about bags full of shit all day?
>How do you find time to earn a living when you post about bags full of shit all day?
what would your logical guess be?
>a 6speed manual truck
Post it
>I live in Indiana
Then post passport
>not even putting effort anymore
You know vranyo is not a thing in anywhere BUT Russia right?
yo
>"vranyo"
lol someone called me a :
>"peterdorskie"
and i have no clue what it means.. still!
>3ft hair
Stop posting anytime, Sasquatch
leave the kids out of it you fricking nonce
>leave the kids out of it you fricking nonce
they have been "in it" since day-1
optics or not
Lmao. Are back into your Indiana persona?
no I really am that.
cant you idiots pull my IP and mess with my life or whatever your threats are? I dont even use a VPN FFS
Post your passport
>Post your passport
Apparently you hate books too.
>Apparently you hate books too.
particularly anything in the "richard dawkins" adjacent section
if you smell what the Rocks cookin?
Oh, right, so you're a cucker tarlson gay who lets trannies live in his head rent-free, my mistake. Compared to buttrape russia "total.gay.domination" sounds like paradise.
>no i just take a cursory, non-second glance at my own country and military and see
Ok, now try spending time in and around the military instead of listening to moronic PR posts and Russian funded shills.
I will grant you though the US Navy has a massive Black person problem, but their continued insane deployment tempos that drive out anyone worth a damn did more for that than any diversity programs.
Mostly, but also moderates on both sides. Lefties because they're the children and disciples of tankies and think NATO bad warmonger but ignore shit like the Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia and Afghanistan because Kekkonen ignored them too. Righties because what about muh trade and muh personal enrichment
The FDF brass debated whether to send a platoon of normal Leos but decided every MBT is needed at home. We sent our handful of obsolete engineering vehicles instead.
Personally I'm happy every time a tank is destroyed in a war instead of being sold for scrap. Why would anyone be infuriated? A donated vehicle is free to be deployed by Ukies as they please.
No one cares. Leo 2Rs were donated to Ukraine and they can waste then how ever they like. Leo 2R didn't work during winter so it was basically useless in Finland.
>using twitter of all places as a validity
Anon, you re fricking moronic.
>Next two more heavily mined lines
This is speculative at best
lol ukraine should totally listen to this guy, just drive on guys, don't worry about the vehicle in front of you blowing up, just drive arou-ack!
we should send you to go check it out and get back to us
Answer me this, once they break through the lines, when will they ever need mine clearing leopards again? Tanks are like hand grenades, does it really matter how many grenades you use to clear a building? Especially if it saves the lives of guys who would otherwise have to CQB through every room?
If you're gonna lose 4 tanks to take an objective, you take 5 along.
According Russian reports Ukrainians have advanced 20kms and there's 15km left to Tokmak, after which it's tempo time.
>Answer me this, once they break through the lines, when will they ever need mine clearing leopards again?
all over the 1000mile+ front you absolute fricking dipshit
>If you're gonna lose 4 tanks to take an objective, you take 5 along.
you took no objectives and were obliterated in random pastoral field#4
if I was a Fin, a German or whoever the frick else got conned into this humiliation charge, I would be pissed
>show me the factory still producing the equipment lost
oh..wait....
>all over the 1000mile+ front you absolute fricking dipshit
>He thinks they need to break through all over the entire frontline and he's calling me a dipshit
Holy frick you're moronic. You see if I break through into your rear areas your frontal units have to fall back or else I'm just going to roll around and destroy their supplies and come at them from behind, isolate them and defeat them in detail. I don't need to roll back to the start line 500 meters down the line and do it all over again.
You must be the smartest /misc/ strategist. No wonder you fricking morons think Russia is winning.
You fricking moron. You Black person gorilla animal.
> a single 2.5km breakthrough in a 1000mile front will make a strategic difference
you must be in nato high command
Even Russian sources say the advance is along a 20km front. Why do you tell such ridiculous lies?
58534783
>crayola scribbles on construction paper
never mind
idgaf what you have to say,
im confused.. so the "front" is only where units clash? ...or .... Am I missing something about the Russian occupation of 30% of ukraines land?
>im confused
Didn't take long did it.
nonce
Glad we agree Crimea is Ukraine's land
>so the "front" is only where units clash
You might be the dumbest "human" on this board.
>all over the 1000mile+ front you absolute fricking dipshit
Nope. Mine clearing vehicles were used in the Gulf War to break through the minefield at the border. After that their role was virtually done.
>show me the factory still producing the equipment lost
Sure thing.
>30 produced in a year
>all reserved for couple decades
>Moving the goalposts
answer me this wtf is this tempo you keep spamming
Oh noes, a few vehicles were lightly damaged in the process of overrunning another russian position and will have to be recovered and repaired in a day or two. Such catastrophe. Much yikes.
Is there anything that has actually proven to be good at mine clearing?
This is making me think the future of warfare will just be mine spam lobbing under cover of loitering munition
So these vatnik shill threads mean Russia got fricked this weekend, right?
>board about weapons
>post weapons
>>n-n-not those o-ones!
lol
Kek
Da! With this military and technological victory we can't keep supplying ukraine anymore. Lets cut our losses.
>more dont exist
Are vatBlack folk this moronic
It's just projection.
>all we can do is refurbish from stockpiles
>as you can seem all the Americans are doing is also refurbishing from stockpiles
>that means new tanks cannot be built
With that said, replacing specialized vehicles would be impossible on short notice. It will take months at the very least, but the more likely answer is "never" because no Western country has shifted to wartime production. The only ones that have kicked up are Bulgarian, Serbian, Czech and Polish small arms and ammo manufacturers.
Artillery and mines. The classics.
>Donate front line vehicle to country currently at war
>It ends up destroyed
>WAIT WE WON'T GET IT BACK?!
I'm pretty sure the Fins are well aware of what a 'donation' is.
>I'm pretty sure the Fins are well aware of what a 'donation' is.
perhaps 'donations' of this caliber should be treated as 'priority' rather than "triviality"? no?
i'm not sure what you expected anon. most of the shit the U.S gave to russia and the U.K in WW2 also got fricked up btw
>sending drips and drabs piecemeal
>lost the same way
They can get serious or Poland & co. are just going to send in 'foreign legion' volonteers en masse.
So who is winning the war?
the US
No we're not. Only US contractors and DC swamp creatures are winning
I find it funny that people keep going
>haha look Ukraine lost stuff attacking Russia! hahaha!
But surely Russia shouldn't be in this position in the first place? Surely the 2nd army in the world should not be in a situation where the Ukranians have managed to petition, get, train, form and then execute an attack on weapon systems from dozens of different countries AND make progress against the second army in the world.
Why have we gone from
>Warsaw in 3 days
>Berlin in 2 weeks
>Paris in a month
>London in 2 months
To
>Well Moscow haven't fallen yet! Haha! We're WINNING!
putting three mine-rollers into a situation where they can be disabled artillery is certainly a mistake. but yeah, having cruise missiles but failing to put an end to your enemy's military preparedness in week 1 is a pretty poor show for a "superpower."
never forget the early cope maps, pic related
This.
>you absolutely took the bait, the US said
>and German isnta-shipped leopards
NTA but he's literally saying the same thing about the Germans except with the UK in the loop baiting them as well.
>the uk in the loop baiting them as well.
do you really think Challengers will be allowed to be used at this point?
after what went on the past few days, could the uk possibly risk the optics of total.challenger.abandonment?
its one thing to go down in explosive flames,
its an entirely other thing to be abandoned intact
nonce c**t
>nonce c**t
what is a "nonce"?
I live in "fly-over" America, so I have no idea what bong-speak implies
nonce
agent stalker
we meet again
>this is so fun!
had a change of meds?
*no meds
how are you still here?
be real with tme
^my REAL friends know me
I dont have to prove my self to ~~*you*~~
I can even give you the "key words" or ~~*key phrases*~~ to search the "desu-archive" for lol
**we go WAAAAAAAAAAAY back**
Ok brownie.
It means pedophile. Comes from Not On Normal Courtyard Exercise.
So far we've had some footage of the same few engagements in fields and some Ukrainians raising flags in villages so at this point we can't draw any significant conclusions. Well other than the fact Russia really needs some drones with cameras from this century.
>we can't draw any significant conclusions.
however, the conclusions we CAN DRAW are
>no nato waffles lost in urban combat
>no nato waffles lost at night, using thermals, near anything resembling a military objective
>nothing urban/nothing at night
stop telling me the sky is purple
there's a ukrainian apache outside your bedroom window right now you fricking gay
Strictly speaking all we can say is there has been no footage of such events. Which is kind of my point.
>Strictly speaking all we can say is there has been no footage of such events
i concurr
no counter-0 units have reached urban settlements.
intercepted by mines in the crush zone
Why is an invader acting defensively?
>Why is an invader acting defensively?
old Soviet tactic,
likely never heard of it da
Must be a bitter pill to swallow.
for hohol, yes,
many flushings of the turds was missed
imagine the smell
you're still obsessed with plastic bags full of shit?
i thought we were having a nostalgia moment?
were we not?
have we not been in this together?
Damn if she was in Mariupol, AZOV would've raped her before the Russians could
Why are so obsessed woth urban combat?
Everyone (except you) already knows why we don't get footage of night fighting but I'm curious as to why you think Ukraine should be diving into urban combat during the manoeuvre phase of a major offensive push?
things I learned as a "flyover™burger"
>cornfields dont vote
>only cities matter
>~~*the governemnt*~~ has nukes so i should give up my rifle
urban combat is like..
its like....
when you take over a city...
....you know?
...a region?
doing donuts and burnouts in cornfields is cool ... but...
You need to work on you reading anon
I didn't ask WHAT urban combat is, I asked WHY Ukraine would seek to engage in urban combat during a major offensive manoeuvre
Now try again but actually read the question this time
>~~**~~
Racist.
post guns
I am a confirmed Catholic™ and I abhor all violence
my Confirmed name is "Thomas" as in "Thomas Aquinas" and I am not smart, and dont know anything ok, i just dont
you love violence against children
I was a witness
=/=
learn "irony"
learn "self reflection"
you think this schizo babble somehow excuses what you said?
>"without lights or...without you!"
was a complete failure of a campaign, and got more children killed than it saved
I remember:
>"shelters of invincibility"
that were fricking honda generators and little-league baseball free-coffee
what exactly point are you trying to make?
I was with you the whole time...dont you see?
what?
The bot is having problems.
>living in a pop up fishing hut
haha sweet man livin the nomad life! they should live the vanlife, just get a sweet Sprinter and outfit it with some bunkies and room for their mountain bikes, they probably wouldn't even have to use most of their trust funds
2 more weeks to kyiv
/k/ was better when you weren't around you fricking nonce
He's part of the terrorist group ran off int. Unironically.
why does a huge superpower that is invading its "redneck", "cargo-cult" neighbor have to fall back and sit behind "muh lines of defense"?
See now he went quiet. Him a Brazilian a Mexican a Russian etc. They got ran off int. Everyone was just shitting on them.
The thread is still here. You pajeet russian shills need to understand that combat footage or threads about weapons never get deleted but you morons always open the threads with your stupid shill speech NATO troony TANKS DESTROYED ALL BY GLORIOUS RUSSIA ITS OVER FOR israeliteLINSKY yadda yadda
people are just tired of your propaganda.
btw yes, this is the same column of the first fricking day, already geolocated but you obviously dont care about that.
So with Ukraine's first 'probe' they went in with one mine clearer (which makes the tank very heavy and slow) so when that tank got disabled they had to retreat. When they did, Russia re-minded the tracks and you can guess what happened. It looks like they learned their lesson and put mine clearers on all the tanks making them all slow and easy targets.
I can't wait to see what they try next to impress Papa Biden.
Trying to give Slavic people advanced weapons and expecting them to use them correctly is like giving Black folk in Africa advanced western shit when their racial warrior ethos calls for white toyota technicals.
Slavs fight with AKs, RPGs, T-72s, and human wave tactics. There is no middle ground and no adapting them to western methods. That is the warrior ethos of their race.
>Slava Ukr-ACK
where did Ukran go wrong fellow nafotrannies?
when russia captured kyiv ;_;
I think UKRAN needs more transexual soldiers and less nahtsees
and it's pronounced KEEV ya'll
you seem a bit butthurt for someone who is "winning bigly"
/k/ope
As an unironic Ukraine supporter, I think at least one company (the ones that wasted the 3 mine-rollers) was just poorly trained. Hopefully it provides an abject lesson to the rest of them; trials by fire are painful, but they can be worth it if you actually learn from even the most crippling mistakes.
that was their best trained unit. feel free to think about what that implies about where the foreign aid actually went.
ayo hol up
*smacks lips*
you're telling me
that foreign aid to corrupt commie bloc countries
gets wasted?
I think you are a sociopath with an ego complex who doesn't think he's a sociopath. Are you Brown or white trash
He gets hurt and calls you a racist when you call him a pajeet, so.
rather feel free to think about what gloating at killed, injured and orphaned children means about you and your morality
>that was their best trained unit
No it wasn't. Yeah I'll admit the money might have been wasted on those guys specifically but judging from the villages Ukraine has taken the other units are performing better.
>trust me bro ukraine intentionally gave their most valuable mine clearing tanks to some random unit
I realize you're just coping, but you're really not making the ukrainians look any more competent/less corrupt, anon.
Yes this will serve as the lesson that one should allow Russian to peacefully occupy them
Why are you talking to yourself, zigger?
>tourists come to the shocking realisation that military equipment isn't invulnerable
Are they destroyed or just temporarily immobilized?
Oryx lists them as “damaged and abandoned” so I suppose it’s possible to recover and repair them if Ukraine ends up advancing enough.
>if Ukraine ends up advancing enough
Big if there mate
Possibly.
Possibly not.
what the frick's going on with those trees on the left?
Shellfire.
Oh noes, the threads are fricked. They are beyond repair now surely. Its a good win for russia but not as great as they make it out
So glad we donated 8 of our Leopard II's so they could needlessly get blown up by morons who don't know how to drive them and don't give a shit because everyone just keeps giving them free shit.
It's like a spoiled brat, no respect for anything because they don't pay for anything themselves.
Truly organic
whats "in-organic" about fpv video of 24IQ morons driving multi-million $ equipment through a looney-toons marked mine-map?
Your post. Truly organic.
Q
The worst part about is that Trump goes on about how we are spending 170 billion on this war and only a quarter of that goes to the Ukraine
it's like any pyramid scheme, only a few guys at the very top collect all the money, everyone else just pays into it
another leopard destroyed
>posting week old shit
You the totally organic anon?
>being this obsessed that you know how old every single drone video is
jfc get help please
You spam them every single thread.
I have literally never posted those before now, I just saw them in a thread yesterday and saved them. You are fricking bananas holy shit.Take your meds, seriously, not all of us spend 24/7 on 4chinz
If you say the same things someone said yesterday and post the same webm's its not unreasonable to assume you are the same person.
on PrepHole? a place where literally millions of people post every day? holy frick.
I think it's because they have some personal take in the conflict whereas others don't give a shit. I just like weapons, don't care if they're shredding commies or ukies.
Gonna post the other ones too since they're really cool.
>millions of people post every day
>PrepHole
>my behavior fits a pattern
>near identical
>how dare you draw conclusions from it
Same vids. Same argument. Same dude.
Post guns.
>post guns
gonna post an exploding drone instead, stay mad you schizophrenic moron
>not even pretending anymore
That is why you are only paid 5 rubles per hour.
Pretending what? Do you post anything weapons related or just cry and whine about Ukies getting blown up? It's a war you b***hmade pussy.
>paid 5 rupees per hour
ftfy.
Yep, case closed.
Get real.
>NOOO YOU CAN'T POST VIDS OF RUSSIAN VICTORIES!!!1111
back to r*ddit with you
You totally doesn't look like a tourist.
>stop posting those videos, they hurt my feelings!!!!11
lmfao you people are fricking pathetic
/k/ is a shithole
>/k/ is a shithole
Then go back to wherever you came from
not before I'm done pissing in your mouth
He already pantsed you and now you're standing in front of everyone with your little dick out. Just go, Red.
Come on, don't say it like that, you have been here for just a few hours. You haven't even met armatard yet.
weird how mad they get just over posting ruskie drone videos
kek how humiliating
i guess urkan should go back to posting pow torture videos
The MIC is getting hard as frick though knowing those million dollar machines all need to be replaced now
there is no replacement, no factory and no active line.
what you see, is what you get
Why don't you move to Russia?
>"if you love her so much why dont you marry her?"
ok pee-wee
yah, this is a bot run out of a cornfield in fly-overblast
post guns
im an American from Indiana, I have too many to do that, or post my hands.. however, if you search the catalog, you will find my picture, and other things that a *post hands* or *post guns* poster would ask for
we used to sign our posts with "Frick ya mudda" but... we the stand-up meetings had too many off-topic points
You cant post guns my totally organic friend?
Ah yes i too am an american from the indiana
Why don't you?
>ok pee-wee
Why don't you answer him? That is a sensible question.
im not moving to Russia™ because im a giga-chad in Indiana
fly right over me
im a hick
im exactly the stereotype
corn
you name it
>i look vaguely like this
Sure.
>there is no replacement, no factory and no active line.
Apart from this one:
what vehicle? isn't this a ukrainian video with a russian watermark slapped on?
It's a western vehicle so it's instantly a dub for the great russian empire
what vehicle is it?
>isn't this a ukrainian video with a russian watermark slapped on?
holy cope
your degenerate echo chamber is rotting from the inside
So it's a russkie vehicle. Thanks for confirming it, moron.
You have to go back.
you didn't donate anything pahjeet
Yeah the Russians just wasted over 15 million mines. Minefields don't just work by themselves. Hahaha its not like a haunted house. You can just run a giant combine over it with chains and detonate a couple hundred kilometers of mines easy in a day with one. Fricking thirdies I swear I love them same with with white trash. Cracks me up
Good morning sirs!
Dzień dobry comrade!
Oh, Indiana mong is still butthurt about poles
Send more leopards then.
God I hope we do, now that we're in NATO there is no reason not to do so
>Because it shows the best equipped and trained brigade that nato could field getting utterly raped by drunk russian mobiks, and that's the sort of thing that might get people asking awkward questions.
>MUH STONK DRUNK RUSSIANS
snow Black folk are already mostly dead, oh no you thirdies finally got a couple of tnaks blown up, congrats, first win you've gotten in almost two years.
I hope wherever you live you get dysentery and drop dead so we don't have to deal with your shit stained subhuman IQ shitposting.
MBTs ARE OBSOLETE
We’ve had this same conversation 1,000 times already. In the age of cheap, effective ATGMs and drones, MBTs become mobile coffins without stupid amounts of surrounding infantry support, which counters the reasons you would want them in the first place.
It’s that simple.
How else do you frontally assault a position?
just meatwave it
Average Russian commander
Space Marines
>soldiers are obsolete
>in an era of pointed sticks the soldier becomes a mobile flesh coffin with stupid amounts of surrounding soldier support
>MBTs are obsolete
Yes.
Assuming you're the guy who made all those tank bad threads, a big part of the pushback came from the word 'tank' being way too broad a concept for everything it covers to be obsolete. However, when you compare the difference between a spitfire/f35 and panther/leopard2, MBTs really haven't moved much since WWII and the first country to design its ground superiority vehicle around the current threat environment is going to have a big land warfare advantage.
ziggers are now using AI-generated images?
Bait or deadly levels of cope
>how could vehicle losses happen in a war zone?!? This is outrageous, these 3 destroyed tanks prove Ukraine will never defeat Russia and the line will hold!
t. John Karpov from Idaho Oblast.
Looks like artillery got em.
Mines. Next question.
It's always some woman just demanding men do ridiculous things while she takes no risk at all
>best equipped and trained brigade that nato could field
>rushed through training with cold war era surplus and tanks stripped of modern upgrades
ok pidor.
And the jannies deleted my thread for pointing out it was stupid for Ukraine to attack without sufficient airpower and the promised delivery of hundreds of Abrams.
A lot of good Ukrainian soldiers are going to die because the civilian leadership was impatient and couldn't wait to shoot their load.
>A lot of good Ukrainian soldiers are going to die because the civilian leadership was impatient and couldn't wait to shoot their load.
Honestly I think there was pressure from some of the donor countries too, the economy isn't great and sending materiel without results was starting to look bad to the electorate
>Honestly I think there was pressure from some of the donor countries too
No, it's been the other way around. We're the ones who have been telling Ukraine, "Wait - Wait for the cruise missiles, tanks, and fighter jets, wait to build up your army".
We said this before Kharkiv/Kherson, we said it during Bakhmut when we advised the Ukrainians to abandon the town months before it became a horrible salient after Soledar fell.
I understand why Ukraine is attacking. It's not our cities being burned, not our children being kidnapped and brainwashed, it's not our people being forcefully deported and stripped of citizenship to be drafted as cannon fodder, if not outright murdered, but all that doesn't make it sound and wise to attack. Not when the fate of your people ride on the account.
They had 6 Leopard 2Rs. We know they they've lost half.
They have a hundred Western MBTs. They've already lost 10% of that.
the donated Bradleys are probably another 10% loss as well, if not more on account of being less armoured.
The war of attrition has actually been in Ukraine's favour, and they have forced Russia to hold two rounds of conscription already they have struggled with. They should have waited, until they could deliver the real knock-out blow like we did in the Gulf War. The Russians are the ones who are obligated to attack to end the war, and were more than willing to oblige with their meatwaves at Avdiivka and Vuhledar because Ukraine has been expanding the war to Russia itself, and the Russian public has been, just like the USA in Vietnam, willing to put up with the war so long as it didn't inconvenience them
Will Ukraine win? Yeah, probably. WIll they lose more men than they should? Definitely.
What would Ukraine be waiting for? Western fighter jets? Even if they get a couple dozen F-16s and a couple dozen F-18s they are unlikely to gain NATO-style air dominance, and that's a long road to get there.
>What would Ukraine be waiting for?
hundreds of Abrams, jets, the million artillery shells quota the EU has promised, LAVs, and AA systems, rifles, machineguns, mortars, missiles of all type, soldiers that have more than 1 month bootcamp before being sent into battle, or in the case of Bakhmut, TDFs that had little to no training and were expected to hold the line (Yes, this did happen. Yes, Western media outlets like the Washington Post covered it)
>they are unlikely to gain NATO-style air dominance,
The RuAF has already conceded the skies over Ukraine because they no longer have access to the parts necessary to maintain their platforms. Ukraine has been winning the war of attrition in the air. the Russian Airforce can not afford losses. There is no replacement for every helicopter and plane shot down. They can't even replace civilian planes anymore. their number of sorties has incessantly dwindled as time goes on.
Once again, we are expecting the UAF to fight a war like we would without the key component: overwhelming airpower to neutralize the enemy's superiority in artillery, and logistics.
That makes sense friend anon. That said, I also think another reason for them to attack ASAP is because the more time the Russians have, the better fortified they can make their positions. The ukies are having a lot of trouble now because these defensive positions are actually established, since the Russians were allowed to for like a year or so. If we had started training Ukrainian forces on the tanks and the aircraft and sent them over at the start of the war, Ukraine could have crushed Russia entirely during the Kharkiv TEMPO TEMPO TEMPO. But of course thats hindsight being 20/20, nobody knew Kyiv would actually last so long. It does still suck tho.
Oh hey, it's this zigger concern troll BS again.
Meanwhile the ukies don't give a frick and have so far suffered ridiculously light losses for a multi-brigade offensive that has already taken back in a week more ground than the Russians took over the last 10 months.
>Meanwhile the ukies don't give a frick and have so far suffered ridiculously light losses for a multi-brigade offensive
You don't know this to be true. You have no evidence either for or against the reported number of casualties. So shut the frick up. No better or different than Bahgdad Bob.
>Oh hey, it's this zigger concern troll BS again.
Yes, I am a concern troll that wants Ukraine to win without unecessary casualties. Of course.
moron.
Probably Artillery, mines, and gayots.
Here is up close footage of destroyed Ukrainian tank. It's truly over for hoholsisters.
That's no tank. The frick even is that?
That is just an ai animation.
But this image is not AI-generated with vehicles and effects added later in Photoshop, amirite?
Totally normal texture of land, flat paths of vehicles, cloned mesh of trees on the side, visual artifacts. 100% legit
Its AI generated lmfao. Look at how the wheels are like melting into themselves.
secret HATO wonderwaffe
This is unironically concerning to me. Obviously mine-clearing vehicles will suffer huge losses which is normal and expected when performing something as dangerous and fraught as a breach, but I don't know if ukraine has enough of this things to be burning through them at this rate. They still have a frick ton of minefield to clear before they break through to russian defensive lines so they can't be losing three vehicles to a single minefield. Although they have more than just these 6 2Rs obviously, I wonder how many mine-clearing vehicles they have in total.
Can't you put a plow on any tank? With Ukraine advancing they could recover the plows from the disabled tanks pictured and bolt to another working tank.
the 100 or so Leopard 1a5s they're receiving from us are modular and have the capability to be used for mine clearance, as well as other engineering work. They will most likely be used ASAP to replace the losses monkeys like this guy
want to pretend are not happening.
I thought originally they would be intended for bridge laying and crossing the Dnieper, but if the Zaporizhia groups are losing their demining vehicles this quickly, they will be sent there instead.
I don't know if I'd want to be demining in a 1A5. Not as much armour and does the engine even have enough horsepower to do the "safe" form of demining where it ploughs all the soil up and digs under the mines?
Once Ukraine is through, they're through. Russia is likely not in a fit state to mount an offensive and regain lost land. If it takes 500 tanks to break the land bridge, so be it. I'm mote concerned about the crews than the kit.
Is it just me or do the zignogs seem more butthurt now than a year ago during the tactical gesture of goodwill at Kharkiv? Must be really bad this time.
So many fricking idiots in this thread that's even impressive, do we have here atleast someone competent who know how mine-clearing works???
From what i understood - all those mine-clearing vehicles have their resource, you can't just slap a plow to it and involnurably go through 99999999999 mines
Again, from what i heard plough on soviet tanks can take only couple of mines, after that mechamic-driver gets cuncussions and is fricked, probably the same for leos too, they just expanded their mine-clearing resource