Ukraine has already destroyed 20% of the Russian Black Sea Fleet, Bild reports.
In the spring of 2022, Russia had more than 70 ships, and their propaganda called it “invincible.”
Since then, a total of 13 ships have been destroyed on the open sea and in the docks, as well as the Black Sea Fleet headquarters building in Sevastopol.
But have you heard that a US Navy ship successfully shot down a drone incorrectly?
Really puts things into perspective, maybe Russia is strong and west is weak after all.
>But have you heard that a US Navy ship successfully shot down a drone incorrectly?
Is this some ESL shit that I'm too fluent in English to understand?
No, you read it right. Basically a drone made it past a ship's first line of defense only to be shot done by the second line. Turdies have been hyping this up as a massive victory
How do you "successfully shoot down a drone incorrectly"? What does that even mean?
Are you a fricking moron or something?
Just move on. What they're saying is 100% clear, you're just a fricking idiot.
I'll give you one last chance, but if you still don't get it, just say "ok" and move on.
US navy ships have multiple lines of defense from drones, there was a drone that made it past the first line but got intercepted by the second line of defense. Third world morons consider that a victory because they morons.
Are you saying that if you shoot the drone down, but not using your first line of defence, that's an "incorrect shootdown"?
according to Russian shills, yes.
Yeah, but that's why I was confused by it. You either shoot down the drone or you don't. There isn't a middle ground.
English as a language revels in granularity and oxymoron. This is why autism is a disability.
You sweet summer child...
Just for the sake contrast, here's the same guy talking about the Russian Black Sea Fleet after it lost a frigate
Russian shills should all be case studies
I'm not saying that you stupid fricking Black person. The third world morons are implying it.
Neither I nor the other replies are making that argument; it’s the Anti-U.S.-at-all-costs contingent that’s trying to spin this as some sign of vulnerability. You see, Anon, there’s this double-standard the “America Bad” types apply:
>the U.S. military damages an F-35 during training
“OMG Western wonderwaffle WRECKED and exposed as overpriced junk!!! Is this the end of the hated Amerikkkan hegemony???!!!!”
>multiple Russian pilots of the VVS, during a full-scale war, are caught on video flying Sukhois/MiGs straight into apartment blocks
>”Doubtless the biased and decadent Western media will use this latest isolated incident to paint a wholly distorted picture of Russian combat readiness and power projection.”
This is just the latest variation on the theme; anything less than 100% perfection from the U.S. gets spun as hopium that all Western weapon systems are vaporware and NATO is about to collapse.
I fully expect some Yankee-hater to make the unironic claim that since CIWS fired more than one round to down the threat, it’s “practically ineffective, since only 0.5% of CIWS rounds fired hit anything at all” or some such moronation.
All true statements sans the last bit where with the CIWS western procurement is so shit they’d probably run out of ammo for it in any full scale conflict (this is partially tongue in cheek, it behaved as it should)
nah he's laughing with how the ziter where gloating about a american ship using it's close in defense system to defend against a houti attack
>too fluent in English
Except for the whole reading comprehension/context clues/clever wordplay part that any native speaker born with the correct number of chromosomes would understand.
You’re right. We need to send F-16s, M1A1s, and tomahawks in their hundreds, as well as a few dozen nuclear armed ballistic missiles and an ohio class. I wouldn’t say no to selling, but not giving, F-35s.
It was a storm
>controlling the black sea and blockading trade was meaningless after all
Posting 1000 graphics with destroyed Makarov wont make it true
if this were true there'd be more rule 34 of russian shipgirls getting violently dicked
where is it nafo shill?
Most of them got fricked by (storm) shadow and Im not a furry so Im not commiioning that shit
>you need to be a furry to want pictures of anime girls getting dicked
????
What's the nearest military condition (for hardware) to swelling up into a blueberry?
Being a Challenger 2.
Yes but we didn’t want them and they they are useless in a land war and they were about to be scrapped and they were full of Ukrainian pows and they were the Ukrainian Black Sea fleet and they were cheaper than a storm shadow and they all returned to port under their own power so Puccia still wins
It's not about destroying the fleet anymore.
The black sea fleet is not allowed to leave port nowadays. They are mostly useless now. Ukrainians destroyed that frigate because they somehow managed to pass through this gap with their suicide drones.
The rest of the fleet is parket at Novorosíisk
fricks sake could this not have been guarded by a tiny anti-submersible net and a drunk guy in a rowboat?
Yes. But they didn't bother.
>successful sea denial accomplished by a nation without a navy
Has this ever happened before?
Excluding nations without coastlines/only river access, of course.
Getting ships within range of a defended coastline has always been considered a huge risk. Meanwhile the Russians are not only in range, they're sitting in port being a huge sitting duck. They can be deleted at will whenever Ukraine builds up its stocks enough to fancy lobbing another missile at them, or when they getting lucky with their sea drones.
They are still shooting missiles at Ukrainian cities, anon.
But they're not sinking ships. Despite all their naval superiority, they have been unable to enforce their blockade. Even RIGHT NOW, vessels are going to and from Odessa, carrying Ukrainian cargo into the world. A major economic victory.
Why would they sink ships with grain lmao.
Russians are stupid but they do listen to Erdogan
Readable version
>vodka runes
>readable
Top one is our fav tractor food, the Mockva. Not seeing the Kuznetsov there. Perhaps they can't find it behind her protective smoke screen.
no, she's not part of the black sea fleet. so not relevant.
Admiral Makarov was damaged but is back on active duty. The jury's still out on Minsk and Olenegorsky Gornyak.
Are they trying to capture this one intact or something?
im baffled that russia has a brand new ecm for their ships and still they havent even bothered to install it on any of the black sea ships
>Implying anything of Puccia's ever worked as advertised
yes it worked well in syria but again you cant just slap it and be done
an ecm needs to work with the radar and its cms
it wont happen anytime soon
but if they manage it its going to be the end of those drones
They got the contract to install it its just that it's going to take years and millions over budget till it gets delayed again and more millions go over budget and into someone's pocket, you know how it is.
same i couldnt understand wtf are they thinking
are they still holding on their doctrine of not giving a single frick about their surface fleet or they just dont give a damn?
the few things i read about the system its basicly the krashuka 4 with reduced power to have a maximum range of 40km which is a lot and requires some massive emitters i guess thats why they wont install them on smaller ships
Daily reminder - the Black Sea Fleet was the only Russian fleet that theoretically could have performed any naval warfare.
Pacific and Atlantic fleet are just a fricktoy for a BMC (Big Mutts wiener) and Baltic Fleet will get raped by Poles, Germans, Svens and Finns.
They had one fricking change to project power like real, human nations do and all they achieved is a comic relief of this war.
>called it invincible
we'll there's yer frick'n problem.
dumbshits going and inviting fate like that.
Well they were shooting at the drones. Looks like they just couldn't hit.
https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1753016444814536725
>Drives straight into the hull breach
Sweet jesus. No wonder it went down.
Can't Russia bring in corvettes and boats through her internal waterways?
Not close enough to change anything, but damn, that is funny.
Ah yes, Armchair Copelord.
>USS Enterprise sunk
I mean Japan did claim to have sunk it like 5 times
ah yes, I remember when the Turks closed the Pacific and we were unable to replace our naval losses in that theater
They say they are bringing more corvettes and frigates by river and have more ships now!
How many oars do the newest Russian corvettes have anyway?
How is this clown still going?
they have dirt on him, probably related to very very young girls
Wait, Armchair Warlord is based now??
only by russian standards
Utterly irrelevant in a land war, attacking ships cause nothing more than a moral victory for NATO and won’t change Ukraines position on the battlefield, the Black Sea fleet is miniscule compared to the rest of the Russian navy and they have many such ships that will easily replace them
Crimea is important as a naval base. What's the point if all the ships get destroyed?
They also can't enforce the naval blockade on Ukrainian ports with no navy. Ukraine is back to exporting now, both through the EU on land and now through the sea.
Destroying the Black Sea Fleet is important for Ukraine because it allows them to use their ports for trade and it denies Russia the use of her ships as launch platforms for land attack cruise missiles. Yes, some missiles are still fired from the Caspian fleet and not all land attack cruise missiles Russia is firing are sea launched, but it’s still a reduction in launch cadence and salvo weight, which is important for air defense efficiency.
>xaxaxa we blockade der ukrain
>we didn't need it anyway
>Utterly irrelevant in a land war
>be Russian Army
>rail logistics absolutely vital
>hundreds of thousands of troops in theater
>rail transit runs through two chokepoints
>Rostov-on-Don: covered by land routes
>Kerch Bridge: slightly harder to cover
>already been hit once before on Vova's birthday
>Budanov makes no secret that he's planning to take out Kerch Bridge permanently
>most likely attack is naval assault on support structures
>fortunately, the mighty Black Sea Fleet dominates th-ACK!
The illegal occupants of Crimea and Kherson may find out just how utterly irrelevant a neutered fleet is later this year.
>and they have many such ships that will easily replace them
After the conclusion of the war they might be allowed to move some in. Or is the implication that Russia will beg and plead to bribe Turkey to open up the straits mid-War?
Fricking love seeing ziggers seethe after losing yet another ship lmao
Holy shit that's delusional, it's like a German in WW2 saying that the UK is wasting resources attacking Tirpitz because it never leaves its fjord.
As long as the attacks were repelled it was working that way.
He has a point You are dropping irreplaceable Storm Shadow missiles at what, $1 billion a pop? To take out a $30 million dollar corvette that they can just roll another one off their shipbuilding ports no problem because they have this class of ship on farm!
moron
storm shadow is US$2.5million numbnuts
They didn't use SCALP to take out the corvette.
Yeah, forgive me for being a dumbgay but they used drones right? Aren't those super cheap? Can't be more than $1000 a pop and I dont think they used more than a dozen to blow up this ship, so the cost is way way lower than even 2.5 mil, much less the ludicrous billion lol.
>storm shadow
>one BILLION
Are monetary values just random numbers to you? Do you think the missiles are made of fricking 24 karat gold or something? Absolutely astonishing lack of any sense of scale.
It's 10 Billion a pop you penny pinching israelite
>they have this class of ship on farm
This is the only true thing you wrote. The Ivanovets did indeed get sent to a farm, where her new owners will take good care of her. Just like my dog when I was a kid.
homosexual materialist. Are you a communist by chance?
>1 (one) storm shadow is worth 1/1700th of the Russian GDP
>The Russian GDP is worth only 1700 western rockets
Wew lad
Why do they always seem to forget that these were the same ships launching cruise missiles into Ukraine (the Moskva was even using it's main gun at some points), and would have fully blockaded the country if they weren't forced to hide.
No, sinking ships doesn't win land battles. But Its one less threat Ukraine has to deal with, and keeping the sea lanes open is vital to the Ukrainian economy. Also who cares how old it is, you just lost a whole experienced crew, and the ship itself is irreplaceable in any relevant time frame.
Furthermore, capture the black sea from whom? Ukraine? Why haven't they already done that? From everyone else? good luck with that.
Not a single caliber carrying ship was destroyed.
Submarine was destroyed
these same people will claim that the US is collapsing because one cargo ship is showing rust
He's right though, these ships aren't a threat and it's done because it's a propaganda win. But of course having the fleet not be a threat is not the victory he thinks it is. Plus Ukraine's war effort relies on propaganda wins. Destroying these useless ships doesn't make a military difference, but it is one that reminds the world Ukraine is fighting back well and keeps the aid flowing.
>doesn't make a military difference
Anon, they carry heavy long range anti ship missiles.
And if they leave port to use them they'll be wrecked by Ukraine's missiles.
>leaving port
Speaking of which, where's the Ukrainian Navy at anyway?
You people seem to be actual fricking robots I swear. I'm not even a vatnik but you stupid fricks seem to go to the first thing that makes Ukraine sound cool and stick to it. They didn't spend several USVs on an otherwise useless ship for fun and games, they did it because the missiles it carries pose an actual threat to all Ukrainian warships and freighters.
you must have never served before
that ship got destroyed because the naval drones guys were getting blueballed from the Russian navy refusing to come out and play and suddenly this little corvette sailed out like a champion
there is no masterplan sinking this, there was just opportunity and boys playing with explosive toys, that's why it was hit 5 times (overkill) and fricking split into 2
>you didn't carry around heavy shit for 4 years you know nothing!
Apparently I know more than you, dumbass.
>this little corvette sailed out like a champion
It didn't though, it was blown up in this area lmao
Is that on the Crimea?
I'm not claiming that Ukraine has it any better. Of course they have it worse, they only have a vestigial navy of a handful of patrol boats. But it's just a fact that both navies are useless, the Black Sea is simply too small for navies to go play without instantly getting wrecked by land or air power.
Always funny that Russians themselves will grudgingly accept these losses, perhaps even be angry about it, while the thirdie bootlickers stuck in the west will just write the most elaborate pathetic cope imaginable on every occasion.
>Fix manpower issues
They recently rotated, so, not much issue there.
>Or shell shortages
the EU's laughing can be heard in the background as it single handedly fixes those...
>20%
13 / 70 X 100 = 18.5%
HAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAH
Was it worth it Russians for a 100km band of land past your border
the counters say the Russians only have towed artillery in storage left for another 18 months and self propelled for another 36, assuming the Ukrainians don't upgrade their kill capability
>Ukraine has already destroyed 20% of the Russian Black Sea Fleet
Yet ruskies have destroyed 100% of ukro black sea fleet. Pretty high yield if you ask me.
>Yet ruskies have destroyed 100% of ukro black sea fleet.
Oh, I'm sure you have a Story Tiem with video for us. Please, sauce that up.
Ukraine had one frigate and it was sunk in Mykolaiv.
Scuttled by a traitor, but yes.
Yeah, in a lake.
https://www.kyivpost.com/post/27579
Around 80 ships in Black sea navy. Out of those, 25 have been destroyed and 15 are in repair.
The source is what it is, so let's take it with a little bit of salt. But if your fleet is at 50% strenght against a nation that doesn't even have a navy... holy shit you are doing bad.
Is this little regatta going to be another Tsushima for Russia?
Boat numbers are meaningless. How much of the tonnage have they lost?
I agree that the tonnage counts, though I have no idea how much has been sunk right now. But Moskva alone bumbs that number up a fair bit.
Admiral Makarov, Saratov, Minsk Novocherkassk and Olenegorsky Gornyak were all chonky boys.
moronic question: why are the ones in the middle spared? Everything on the top gets submarined, and the little ones got decimated too, but those middle ones doing still well
>one submarine kill
This will never not be funny.
>Thread theme
<Sink the "Invincible" Black Sea fleet while they're at anchor >
<<Our Invincible Fleet's gonna be destroyed!>>
Not enought to make russian to make real useul mistake to revenge it. I meaning, it is cool, but not nearly enough to make force the russian to go offensive in haste way in land to give a counter-point.
ruzzia has never been that weak
Imagine Russia getting utterly btfo by Turkey of all countries
They wouldn't stop seething over it for 500 years.
Turkey could EASILY solo Russia. Way more advanced tech plus functioning industry that could easily outpace russia. The cope would be amazing to watch.
Turks are as braindead as russians. Member when they lost a bunch of Leopards to 60's atgm's, because they can't into tactics.
Look, I'm all for TZD but the battle of Sarikamish doesn't give me confidence that the Turks are capable of it.
Turks only win battles when their enemies try something moronic, like Gallipoli.
Anon, imma be real with you, watching two morons fight to the death in hd is gonna be fun as hell. As long as turkey starts it, we dont have to help them.
How do Bulgaria, Romania and Georgia compare?
You guys don't get bored of this stupid war, we are just waiting for Trump to get elected so we can get a damn peace treaty already since Biden is fricking stupid. Europe just needs to stop being pussies and just allow Ukraine into the EU. There I saved you 1000 hours of your life.
Redditor forgets that unlike the US Russia can actually just build more ships instead of being stuck in procurement hell with them for 20 years like murica dies.
Lol sick frag. Just remember you and the rest of this board would actually rope and cry it’s fake if this happened to a single Ukrainian. How is a nade drop related to the fact that equipment is lost in wars and can be replaced? The concept is foreign to the west, which is why I’m concerned we’ll be fricked once a single ship damaged and repairing it takes 30 years since no one knows how boats work anymkre
Did you forget that we saw a Ukrainian kill himself like a week ago?
Why do morons like you oust yourself so quickly? Why lie on the internet?
I heard that the Russians have like 5 Akula class subs out for refit and it's not expected now the refit will ever finish? That a couple of them have been undergoing refit like 12 years now.
Why can't the Russians just patch it and float it like the U.S. did for all their battleships at pearl harbor (except Arizona) during WW2?
Russians don't have the facilitates to do that. The Soviets built a of ships in Ukraine
They would have to salvage the wreck under fire to bring it back for assessment if it's not obviously damaged beyond repair as it likely is (small boat, large boom).
Russia would just lose a salvage vessel or vessels since they could not take evasive action while attached to the casualty.
>Russia is the largest east military industry in human history
You just wrote that the Russian Federation industry is larger than the Warsaw Pact military industry or the US military industry in WWII. Not even ziggers believe that so where are you from?
>their propaganda called it “invincible.”
Should've asked the Spanish what happens when you call an Armada "Invincible".
Its just tempting, really.
Counterpoint. Spain was a dating empire while Russia is the largest east military industry in human history
Silly emojis don’t change the fact the Russia can build the same amount of thanks the rest of Europe has in their inventories in under a year. Russia losing the ships is an embarrassment but they can always make more
>Russia can build the same amount of thanks
Utter nonsense, Russia is the most thankless country on Earth. They expect YOU to be thankful to THEM (for not nuking you to oblivion), but they themselves do not build a single solitary thank.
russia can't make eggs.
>Russia losing the ships is an embarrassment
I'd describe it as more of an abject humiliation, given their delusions of still being a world power. At the very least, it's a rather costly embarassment; the estimated replacement cost for the Ivanovets is something on the order of $60-70 million (about 10-15% of a replacement Moskva, lol).
>but they can always make more
"Can" isn't the same as "will". And if Mighty Pocciya's manufacturing and engineering are so great, where are those hordes of T-14s and Su-57s? Why are they dusting off T-55s from when my grandparents were young? Doesn't add up.
>Russia can build the same amount of thanks
thanks? sure.
But Russia has only build 14 new tank hulls in the last 30 years. Today not even one of these new russian tanks is in good enough condition to drive a few 100 meters in a parade.
Russia con not even build a truck, or a passenger car.
This war makes sure it runs out of soviet heritage vehicles. Once this happens there is no way this de-industrialized country is able to rebuild a military.
With refineries blowing up it's main source of income is destroyed as well.
they make 400 new tanks a year max mainly T-80s
and refurbish about a thousand more
>make 400 new tanks a year max mainly T-80s
no new t-80s got build after the early 90's mate they are just reusing old hulls
T-80 production stopped in the 2000s
They kept producing T-72s and T-90s, but afaik annual production numbers never exceeded 200
Tank production ended with the end of the soviet union. With the end of production even the knowledge and the ability to make new tank hulls is gone.
All your "new T-80s" are over 30 years old. Every single tank Russia claims as "produced" has been pulled from storage.
Even this becomes harder every day because the remaining tanks are in worse condition.
What is left now is rusty and already cannibalized.
Even worse, your fantasy numbers of over 1.000 "refurbished" are not nearly enough to replace losses. Even independent visually confirmed losses are at about 10 per day now. This would add up to 3.000 per year.
In the first year, Puccia lost 3,500 tanks, and in the second year, it's already reached another 3,000. By year 3, guaranteed they'll have lost their entire pre-war stockpile of tanks.
to be fair, not every loss is a total loss, about one in four losses is just damaged or abandoned and can be salvaged and repaired( if it happens in russian controlled territory).
Neat to see how they torch cut some of those in half during the scrapping process. That must be a convenient size for their cranes or other heavy handling equipment.
There aren't enough pics of track scrapping. The Swiss used a hydraulic "chicken" to munch scrap M113s years ago when no one wanted them during NATO downsizing. The US prohibits their public resale and doesn't sign off on sales where new US production might lose sales to refurbs.
with what money and what industrial base, dumbass?
Why are they pulling fricking ancient tanks out of storage
>Spain was a dating empire
That's one way to describe the origin of all those mestizos
Russians are rolling out Yasen and Borei class submarines no problem to be it's new high tech nuclear fleet!
Here's the true Russian Naval Fleet.
I think understand now why the jannies delete ruski shitposting. because you dumbfricks can't help yourself but to take any bait, no matter how obvious. Ukraine is losing btw