Ukraine had the equivalent of himars and atacms from the very start of the war and still has.
the himars is just cope.
Ukraine had the equivalent of himars and atacms from the very start of the war and still has. the himars is just cope.
Ukraine had the equivalent of himars and atacms from the very start of the war and still has.
the himars is just cope.
Is accuracy as a concept somehow mystical to you people
if you can hit a ship with a tochka then you can hit anything.
you can destroy an ammo depot with a smerch, no problem. unless the ammo is in a closet.
like ukraine's homosexual army.
Then why haven't they been using them to hit all of these depots for months now? Why are all of these strikes happening just within the last few weeks? Seriously, I'm not even trying to be argumentative, I'm just saying that the timing of all of these recent depot kabooms lines up pretty well with Ukrainian claims that they've started deploying their HIMARS units in combat operations.
They have. Ukraine was hitting all sorts of targets even before they got the HIMARS.
However, the HIMARS is the wunderwaffe of the month, so morons will attribute everything to HIMARS and Ukraine will encourage it
There seem to have been a lot more such strikes clustered over just the last several days than I recall from before that. The only other explanation I can immediately come up with other than HIMARS doing some work is that they've gotten recent intel they didn't have previously. Or perhaps cope answers such as
, which would suggest the Russians are deliberately endangering/killing civilians in areas they occupy as part of their supposed scheme.
>which would suggest the Russians are deliberately endangering/killing civilians in areas they occupy as part of their supposed scheme.
That's actually the most feasible part, considering the last time they occupied Ukraine they killed a good 10% of the population.
>Be oinkrainian
>Destroy your own food to spite the Soviets
>Starve to death (when you destroy your own food you have no more food)
>Blame Soviets for not giving you the city people’s food
>Be kacap
>lie constantly
>cry a lot
lol, maybe even lmao
>kacap
Either off-duty iskander fodder or an off-duty toilet cleaner, I see. Tell me which so that I can dump the right ‘jaks
You sound like you have a dick in your mouth right now lol
>admitting to having a soijack folder
plankton of a person
They actually brag about destroying their own food out of spite. Thing is, Stalin at least had a reason for doing it, he was preparing for the inevitable war.
Other thing is, it wouldn't have been necessary had he just refused to trade with any nation out to murder all the slavs. Germany would not have had the fuel or other supplies to invade France when it did without Soviet supplies. And he likely wouldn't have invaded Poland either without the Non Aggression pact.
But for an "Attempted Genocide" 10% is pretty fricking low.
>But for an "Attempted Genocide" 10% is pretty fricking low.
Russians are incompetent at everything.
false flag by russians.
there are no depot bombings.
Tochka and Smerch are not equivalent, they have 150m and 400m CEP, to compensate such low accuracy they use fragmentation and/or cluster warheads. They can defeat soft skinned vehicles, and such, Smerch with DPCIM cluster warhead can defeat armored vehicles, but none of them can defeat serious buildings. So if depot is behind concrete walls and floors, no luck for Tochka.
Area capability is good, there is place for them (hitting mass formation of anored vehicles), thing is Ukraine rockets lack capability to defeat point hardened targets. Iskander missiles can, Tochkas don't.
Ship deck and port area were all filed with soft skinned ammo trucks. Area was hit with cluster warhed Tocka that lewd to ammo explosions. Thing is if you hit such ship with cluster warhead without ammo trucks in the open it wouldn't do squat. Of if you hit capital building.
back to
morons
leave
someone's mad
This. Anybody who thinks drunk vatnik quality control is on the same level or higher than the western stuff is moronic.
So a Tochka U didn't hit that Russian ship in port?
1 (one) lucky hit over 4 months of war vs 20+ depots being blown up in 1 week of HIMARS. The math isn't hard.
>The math isn't hard.
it actually is hard for them which is why their munitions have minute of grid zone accuracy and actually accurate systems get them worked up into a seethe
Unironically yes
Accuracy is for cupcakes
Power is for morons
Accuracy and Power is the Patrician's choice.
It's a minor miracle that Russian conscripts haven't gone full Africa-tier and treated their iron sight adjustments as a power setting.
? Wtf are you talking about? The Russian HIMARS is the Tornado. I’ve asked REPEATEDLY if anyone knows if it’s appeared in the war yet with no response. So it’s either another for-export demo unit fake situation or they simply don’t have ammo for it.
we're talking about ukraine's capabilities, though.
I just think they try to create a false narrative to the Ukrainian, a dream , a vision of rose like prophecy of old, pushing Russian force back , waving the Ukrainian flag to the border ,mirage and glamour of boyish fancies measuring things by is heart , daydream of men familiar with disaster drenched in famous, but building as ever castle of they’re souls above the river of death.
The 5 stages of ukrainian wunderwaffe:
Stage 1: The "Leak". INVINCIBLE SUPERWEAPON """leaked""" to press
Stage 2: The Reaction. Media & /uhg/ trannies all hail the weapon as an invincible doomsday device that Russia stands no chance against. Lots of "sky is falling" and declarations of ukrainian resurgence.
Stage 3: The Interim. Stories start to leak out regarding issues and marginal results. Doesn't get much notice.
Stage 4: The Downgrade. The West quietly states that less will be sent than previously announced, or that the device will have to be modified to the new battlefield conditions (whatever the frick that means).
Stage 5: The Cancellation. The West quietly cancels the device shipment. Stage 1 for new device few months later.
>The West quietly cancels the device shipment.
When has that actually happened?
It only happens to Russian wunderwaffe. Even the PZH 2000s eventually got shipped.
switchblade
stinger
>making shit up
>can't even make it believable
40 years later and stingers still make your choppers look fricking stupid
ok pinocchio
It must suck having no legs to stand on such that that's all you can say
yeah, wouldn't want to be in your position, that's for sure.
>says the guy putting himself in that position every post
Russia will not save you
if Russia won't save me then the West won't either.
duh
Switchblade seems valid, it seems like a disappointing platform from what I've seen, the boom simply isn't big enough to be worth it.
Stingers? What are you talking about? Those are a reliable time-tested platform and a ton got sent over
is there proof of it destroying anything in ukraine?
Yea
meds, now
are you out of stock? just like the ukrainians?
That's the most homoerotic shit I've read all week. Incredibly gay
>The Russian HIMARS is the Tornado. I’ve asked REPEATEDLY if anyone knows if it’s appeared in the war yet with no response
>6 122mm 2B17 Tornado-G: (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, captured) (6, captured)
https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html
different system. One being discussed has 300mm rockets and I haven't heard of a single sighting, let alone one being destroyed. Really weird since there are supposed to be almost 200 of them
whoops, almost 200 in the Tornado "family", which includes the ones that are upgraded Grads. There are probably like 5 prototypes of the ones that are actually meaningfully better than what's currently in service
You mean Tornado-S
Yeah, i haven't seen any reports about them. The closest thing to a modern MLRS rusBlack folk deployed were SADARM style cluster missiles fired at Bahmut/Kramatorsk. It could have been from smerch, but possibly also from Tornado-S.
Thats definably not tornado
Always gets me how skinny the rockets are, do they have much boom compared to gmlrs?
Slightly more boom actually
Huh, don't judge a shaft by it's girth i guess, thanks.
He means that Ukraine had developed just before the war started Vilkha MLRS which supposedly has similar capabilities to HIMARS (with the type of ammo that was supplied)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vilkha_(missile_complex)
They also have been developing other types of rocket artillery.
They said they tested it in the field, first month I think.
you fricking Black person just ignored my response to your shitty thread yesterday go suck a fat one
https://twitter.com/mhrinin/status/1498796325202280452
https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/ukraine-conflict-russian-forces-employ-guided-rockets
Posted back in March, supposedly around Harkov.
It's not an equivalent. It's the same old shit.
Tornado is just a new name for Grad or Uragan or Smerch bolted onto a regular truck instead of a custom made one. It still uses the same old dumb rockets. If they use the bigger rockets, the number of tubes is reduced to make sure a normal truck can carry it.
That's it.
Uragan and smerch lanunchers support guided rockets though
So does the Tornado stystem if using 220mm or 300mm
virgin chicken versus chad bovine
IT WAS CHICKEN AND COW!?!??!
FRICK U CHICKEN
FRICK U COW
Tochka and Smerch aren't equivalent, though. Ukraine did have a small cache of GMLR ammo for the Smerch but seem to have used it all early in the war. Tochkas have been raining down on Russia consistently since the start but their numbers are finite and limited. HIMARS is superior to both systems, replaces both of them, and has effectively infinite ammunition (America produces >4000 M31 rockets per year).
literal magical thinking
>Vilkha (Ukrainian: «Biльхa» , "Alder tree") is Ukrainian heavy multiple rocket launcher with guided ammunition. Designed by the Luch Design Bureau, it is a development of the BM-30 Smerch rocket launch system. Vilkha entered service in the Ukrainian armed forces in 2018.[1]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vilkha_(missile_complex)
They ran out of missiles
what's stopping them from making more?
I'll let you work this one out on your own
but I thought that russian missiles are junk and don't hit anything of value.
only puppies and ukrainian children.
hey, if you fire enough of them...
das rite
kalibrs and iskanders are accurate enough, but they started to use Kh-22 and other trash lately
it's good enough to hit warehouses
Uh you know, the fricking war
so you can't make ammo during war? why is that?
thought russian weapons are trash and can't hit anything.
surely you're not implying that russia destroyed most of ukraine's war industry.
overpriced junk vs soviet excellence
Your soviet excellences are getting blown up by the former in their headquarters
in your imagination
>in your imagination
If you can dream ot than you can realize it. Like how your ammo and c&c centers got destroyed
poor ukrainians
They're only poor in the sense of having to put up with russia as a neighbor. I hope the fight russia to such a standstill that the federation collapses resulting in terminal population decline.
Cuba's only poor in the sense of having to put up with muttmerica as a neighbor. I hope they fight muttmerica to such a standstill that the union collapses resulting in terminal population decline.
Too obvious, try to be less coherent next time.
Russia blew up all the factories that made them and all the workers who would make them are fighting.
And not even a Ukrainian Rosie the Riveter can make a new missile if your missile factory is a pile of rubble.
but I thought that russian missiles are trash and can't hit anything.
how can this be?
slava cuckraina!
>carpet bomb cities with 1960s antiship missiles
>hit a factory
>declare victory
This is why the rest of the world is supplying Ukraine. Try hitting a Raytheon factory and see what happens.
>Try hitting a Raytheon factory
not worth the attack.
it's like bombing a landfill.
Damn, that's wild, how do they make M31A1 unitary warheads for the HIMARS in a landfill?
don't care
lol your depots and generals do
my generals?
are you that emotionally invested in this special military operation?
sad
You're one of three types of people
>buckbroken western /misc/troons, but they usually have better English than you
>a Russian, either state funded or just "patriotic", shilling on /k/ for your losing war of aggression
>pretending to be the second one for (You)s
I'll admit if it's the third you've got the terrible English and terrible arguments spot on for a real vatnik, here's your (You).
oh, I forgot the other option
>a serbian gargling russian cum not for payment or pride, but purely for the taste
I accept your unconditional defeat.
You have my permission to exit the thread.
What's the point of your posting? You just make vatniks look worse
why are you still here?
Cope
Damn. I haven't seen fedoras being tipped this hard since the Great Atheist Chimpout of 2009.
you haven't seen a lot of things, let me tell you that.
He was just joking about raytheon anon, calm down
Americans are just that much better I guess.
While Russia is forced to rely on Iran and North Korea, two nations that are somehow more technologically advanced.
>Try hitting a Raytheon factory and see what happens.
Americans get scared and stop going to work. Every factory in the US is a soft target for submarine launched cruise missile.
damn sounds like you can really cripple america's ability to send weapons to ukraine then. when do you start?
Please do it
Russia has repeatedly failed to stop arms repair and deliveries and consistently hit:
>abandoned Soviet-era factories
>empty Soviet-era depots
>civilian factories (e.g. road equipment, railcar, toy factory, fertilizer factory) that may or may not see military use
>large, hard to miss targets such as fuel depots
>civilian rail
>farm sheds
It's pretty obvious their intelligence is not the best and now that they've ran out of more recent missiles, neither is their precision.
>cold war era stuff le bad
Most relevant armies rely mostly on refurbished cold-war-era tech. Take the American army, for example.
>Small arms
Largely cold-war-era
>Abrams
Cold-war era but modernized
>Bradley IFV
Cold-war-era
>M109
Cold-war-era
>M777
Modern
>M270
Cold-war-era but with modern missiles
>HIMARS
Arguably half of an m270 mounted on a truck. Old? New? You decide
>F-15, F-16, F-18, etc
Cold-war-era
>F-22, F-35
Modern
arms
>Largely cold-war-era
Are pic rails and standard issue optics cold war era?
>Cold-war era but modernized
IFV
>Cold-war-era
more modernized than Abrams, actually
>>M109
>Cold-war-era
Paladin
>>M777
>Modern
>>M270
>Cold-war-era but with modern missiles
>Arguably half of an m270 mounted on a truck. Old? New? You decide
>>F-15, F-16, F-18, etc
>Cold-war-era
More modern than su-57
meanwhile vatniks roll out in T-62s and mt-lbs, unupgraded
>)modern missilies)
You just said it yourself jackass
The emphasis is on empty and abandoned you sperg
The USA has only 500 HIMARS batteries, barely enough for a small regional conflict much less a war with Russia. And they're busy giving them away to people who are reselling them on the black market for 10c on the dollar.
lmao only 4 of them are fricking the russkies in the ass
Well 4 are making a noticable difference in a small regional conflict. Your sense of scale seems to be way off, these aren't simple tube artillery of which you need to mass by the thousands on a single city
Also ukrainian tochkas have been modernized for more range and better accuracy
Isn't the difference GMLRS munitions? Maybe it's a mix of intel, better training and readiness? I remember some saying they thought some targets hit furthest into enemy lines was actually by Tochka-U because now they might be more liberal with their stockpile knowing they'll get an infinite stream of HIMARS and GMLRS.
Reality is that Ukraine is suddenly popping all ammo depots and HQ's so even if it isn't just the HIMARS something is getting toasted in camp vatnik.
it's probably russians false flagging the ukrainians by showing empty buildings on fire and claiming it was an ukrainian himars hit.
remember that the ukrainians said that it was not them piloting the 2 helicopters that presumably attacked inside russia.
xaxaxa
Their denial of that strike was worded exactly as a carbon copy of Russian denials.
They hit it.
The denial was trolling.
>by showing empty buildings on fire
>with huge secondary explosions
anon you can't stage an ammo cookoff without actually cooking off the ammo
probably fireworks
any links?
>Rusted Soviet shit vs new Lockheed toys
equivalent =/= equals
HIMARS always was cope. The US had the MLRS which could launch a higher volume. HIMARS is just a bad attempt to replicate a BM-21.
>HIMARS is just a bad attempt to replicate a BM-21.
is this what vatniks really believe?
No, that is just obvs bait
What is diameter of himars rockers? I can't find that information anywhere.
No because I live and work in one of counties that escaped grips of turbo Black folk like you
are you making missiles for the ukrainians in this new country that you're living in?
w8 b8, die in agony
what country, by the way? I want to laugh more.
227mm M31, 610mm ATACM
tochka is 650
smerch is 300
The HIMARS is just half a MLRS on a wheeled vehicle it's the exact same weapon
no katyusha? pp not hard.
lmao vatBlack folk in full cope mode today. post volume always increases when they're seething about something
Dude himars is LITERALLY 8 TRUCKS
what they do is throw a frickton of tochka, smersh, uragan to overwhelm AD and say himars did it. But its wasteful af and compromises their artillery, basically suicide tactic
I'm sure you have a source to back up your claim
So?
Even if I believe in your lies they still fricked 11 AD in single fricking night
nothing happened.
russia keeps winning.
go cry in a corner.
The difference is in the quantity of ammunition.
Theoretically there are GLONAS guided munitions for BM-30, however we have no idea how many Russia actually has, or is willing to use in Ukraine, all we know is that they exist on a brochure.
We know Russia already blew much of their load early for their precision strike capabilities, Iskanders and their modern cruise missiles seem to no longer be seeing much use in Ukraine, same would likely be true of guided rockets and artillery shells.
Ukraine meanwhile has received likely around 1-2k GMLRS shots, we know they got 600 just to start with.
That is a lot of precision fires.
>GLONAS
more like GLONASS amirite fellas?
looks like they were ambushed by homosexuals.
https://www.dw.com/en/ukraine-holds-its-biggest-ever-gay-pride-parade/a-49319080
>all this seething
did another Russian general die today or something
they've been dying of laughter for four months now
Unitonically yes. The strike at Kherson killed the major general of the 20th army
Hopefully the commander of the forces at Kherson. That should throw their defenses into turmoil.
https://wartranslated.com/intercepted-call-reveals-details-of-the-kherson-command-strike-by-ukrainian-forces/
>Yes. There are 12 200’s *dead*… Not our command, the one that is like… the most f*cking important one in our direction.
The commanders of Kherson. Decapitate the leadership, wipe out the supplies, civilians told to evac. All the signs are here.
The Ukrainians are coming.
Not just one officer. Several.
https://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-news-live-fifteen-killed-034643280.html
Christ, when this is all over vatnik veterans are going to have anxiety attacks whenever they enter an airport
That explains the butthurt.
Slavaboos continue to avoid the idea that a GMLRS with a 100m^2 CEP might better than an old busted one with a 7056 m^2 CEP.
Tockha-Us have an average accuracy of 15m per http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-191.html
This is less accurate than the HIMARS but easily accurate enough given its larger warhead
If the CEP of Tochka-Us was 50m then Ukraine wouldn’t have been able to use them so successfully
They’ve only had mild success. Now compare that to the huge success of the GMLRS. Yea
Source: twitter
>Tockha-Us have an average accuracy of 15m
That is exibition bullshots. Tochka has only INS (Islander has optical seeker for pin point accuracy).
Tochka doesn't even have penetration warhead. It's unitary warhead is fragmentation warhead designed for airburst. It's case is made from glassfiber composite you can't use it with delay fuse setting against hard target it would squash itself against hard.
Looks like the Tochka's are getting through thanks to Himars helping out, and helped hit ammo depots.
Once again, classic Ballistic missiles are the workhorses that are ignored. It's a thankless job.
Holy cope. I don't even know what's more pathetic, fact that the HIMAR BVLL cannot be stopped by SAM or w-w we have similar weapon okay?
wait for the nuclear threats
>or w-w we have similar weapon okay?
Point is if Ukraine had 2000 Kalibers to launch back at Russia, Russia would be in the pretty sorry state.
Ukraine got precision weapons with 80 km range and Russians are crying already.
It doesn’t seem to be helping in the severodonetsk salient because the ukies aren’t getting any less outmaneuvered and encircled by dvornikov right now.
only two more weeks until the cauldrone closes
t. Bernd from Niedersachsen Oblast
>fires regular GRAD on Russian positions
>Then fires HIMARS that disables AD and command posts
>Clears way for Tochka to hit ammo depots
>”wow you’re coping”
Do you have reading difficulties?
>GRAD, URAGAN 35km range
>M31 missiles 85km range
Do you have thinking difficulties?
>saturation attacks are not a thing
>distractions are not a thing
>Russian AD can tell a difference between a HIMARS or a GRAD system
Come on now.
explain to me how are you going to conduct a saturation attack with grad launchers 50km behind the frontline
not him but you went from smerch to uragan to grad.
what's next? mortar?
i said absolutely nothing about smerch, and neither did that tg post
don't play games with me
This is what the Russians are saying is happening to them:
>Ukrainians start by hitting them with a regular GRAD attack (they’re not using it to hit deep territory ammo depots)
>they simultaneously use HIMARS to strike actual command centers, AD systems, and anything in range
>they finally send Tochka during all the chaos to blow up the biggest ammunition depot in range
This isn’t for every explosion, but for the deeper range attacks, it definitely is.
Tochka was claimed by both Ukies and Russians for pic related on June 27 in Zymohiria.
https://t.me/grey_zone/14347 (russians explaining attack)
change grad for smerch and it makes sense
> Tochka was claimed by both Ukies and Russians for pic related on June 27 in Zymohiria.
Source? I’m going to assume it was HIMARS
https://mil.in.ua/en/news/russian-invaders-ammunition-depot-explodes-in-zymohiria-luhansk-region/
I don't know if any of that is true, but they don't have to launch from the same location.
>we have similar weapon
With separatists recently capturing himars launcher will they try to adopt those into their units or just destroy it like captured nlaw/javelines?
>will they try to adopt those into their units
they'd need a lot of them, and in very good condition, to make it even a consideration
this isn't an AK that you can pick from the mud on the side of the road and go to town on your nearest school
>With separatists recently capturing himars launcher
news source?
My uncle is in the unit that captured it. The system is back in Russia now
my brother is in the same unit as your uncle. and he says they just welded a bunch of pipes to a truck and lied to hq that they've captured a himars so they can have an excuse to leave the frontline. they're just gonna pretend to be moronic when hq actually sees their handiwork when they arrives.
My uncle is in charge of raping your brother. Your brother only said that to keep opsec until the system crossed safely into Russian territory
yeah, my brother told me about that. my brother's gay so he doesn't care, and your uncle's tiny dick was pretty easy to take according to him. plus he felt pitty to your uncle that your aunt ran off with some holhols and started making mad money on pornhub with her supremely popular amateur gangbang videos.
in fact, the whole unit build that half assed himar truck together just to cheer your uncle up, but your uncle wanted something nice to happen so bad, he believed it and made the whole unit tow it back to the rear. right now their plan when they're found out is just to tell the guys at hq that your uncle lost his mind and made them do it. and hopefully they'll discharge your uncle on the bases of mental health.
>my brother's gay so he doesn't care, and your uncle's tiny dick was pretty easy to take
wrong picture. obviously we're russian so let me fix that for you
I believe the magic is in the missiles. And since there are only few and they're smart, wouldn't be too hard to pin-protect them.
But a truck is a truck. They can certainly use it and maybe send the launcher part to Russia to take a peek.
no need to.
smerch is better.
Can someone please actually tell me what the HIMARS does that the Tochka doesn't?
>more missiles per salvo
obviously, but the Tochka flies super fast and has pretty good accuracy. are they was easier to shoot down for some reason?
Ukraine claimed they had 500 missiles and around 70-90 vehicles/launchers before the war, so it's probably not a shortage issue
Tochka-U CEP ~95 m.
HIMARS GMLRS CEP ~10 m.
Tochka-U has a warhead 5x bigger to compensate, but salvo-fired HIMARS would deliver about the same explosive weight and all of it on the target. Tochka being a large missile also easier to intercept.
Here's your "cope," pidorashka.
burning rocket fuel is fricking beautiful
Lot of disabled teenagers died in that blase.
>disabled teenagers
Mentally disabled, they're Russian after all.
How many of them wore blue/white striped shirts?
firework factory accident in brazil 2007!
Both Ukraine and Russia had nothing comparable to HIMARS before the war started. Any comparisons to Soviet designed MLRS is a cope
Russia had some GPS guided Smerch rockets (very low in quantity apparently). Also Russia has Islander and Kaliber cruise missiles which have seekers and pin point accuracy (when working as intended). Russia demolished plenty of buildings with them. It's best performing Russian weapons.
Lol, American MLRS is so deadly to Russians they have to compare it to their cruise missiles to feel good
It's amazing our resident vatniks are always in denial for weeks longer than actual Russians.
Vatniks from the front and vatniks with any military knowledge:
>HIMARS munitions can land on a dime, we have nothing like that, thankfully there's not enough to be really impactful if our moronic officers stop being moronic
Vatniks from /misc/ and leftypol:
>Tochka and Smerch are equivalent, no, superior to the HIMARS!
Except they never claimed to have nothing comparable. The only claim was “Ukrainian suck at Uragan barrages but are effective with the HIMARS” which doesn’t mention Russia’s ability to use the same tech
No, the actual claims from people with any knowledge and experience have always been "Uragan barrages suck". Or to paraphrase a more recent ones "you launch at the field, hit 500m area and it's a complete failure, some rockets even fail to detonate and you can still the dills still walking around".
That’s regarding hohol barrages on Russian positions. Source: can read the telegram messages without using a translator
lol, vatnik always projects
It is literally what the telegram message says
You would know this if you could read the language of the greatest authors of all time (Russian)
>the language of the greatest authors of all time (Russian)
Tolstoy, Chekov, Dostoevsky, etc
You've never read a book
Don't forget Nabokov.
Nabokov didnt write in Russian
If these authors led the R*ssians rape toddlers in Bucha they need to be cancelled.
If I want to read a story about human misery, look no further than Russian fiction. Dostoyevsky is legitimately awesome, but he's kind of a bone head with his insistence that Russia needs/needed to lead the world in a Christian revival to save it's soul from (?) problems.
>i kind of doubt you've read any of it though
Do the Russians have ANY fire support system in service which has ANYTHING like the accuracy of Western guns? I'm not even talking about PGMs. I'm not talking about GLMRS. Just, anything with the accuracy somewhere around that of a M777 with all the upgrades and PzH2k?
yes
No, obviously American equipment is the best. Stinger missiles have 250% success rate and the F-35 is a good aircraft.
Mom, I want HIMARS.
We have HIMARS at home.
>HIMARS at home.
page 1
Yeah idk what's so special about the HIMARS wonderwaffe
Range and accuracy. There isn’t a comperable rocket available anywhere else
>There isn’t a comperable rocket available anywhere else
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kh-47M2_Kinzhal
>U.S President Joe Biden said of its use "As you all know, it's a consequential weapon but with the same warhead on it as any other launched missile. It doesn't make that much difference except it's almost impossible to stop it."[45]
What are you trying to say? How is that comperable to GMLRS
dumb troony can't even take kyiv
>troony can't even take kyiv
that's where you're wrong
mankind has had bullets since ancient times, propellant cartridges are just a cope