Considering that it's more than Ukraine had in all previous offensives combined, while Russians have least equipment than at any point in war. I think it's enough
Lmao what? Black person, what makes you think the side that’s refurbishing T-55s from the Siberian boneyards has more equipment now than they did back last summer?
>Lmao what? Black person, what makes you think the side that’s refurbishing T-55s from the Siberian boneyards has more equipment now than they did back last summer?
They havent sent in all the T-72BM, there are still many on the border, let alone T-90s or Armatas.
Maybe theyre refurbishing T-55s because they dont need to use the newer tanks, because the opposition has no tanks.
Dumbass there are literally 50-60 T-90s of various descriptions remaining as of the last tally.
>Lmao what? Black person, what makes you think the side that’s refurbishing T-55s from the Siberian boneyards has more equipment now than they did back last summer?
They havent sent in all the T-72BM, there are still many on the border, let alone T-90s or Armatas.
Maybe theyre refurbishing T-55s because they dont need to use the newer tanks, because the opposition has no tanks.
you fricking idiots wait until the russians bring out the clubs , that means the ukrainians don t even have fists axaxaxaxxaxa
No, Russian defenses are too strong. They will just end up losing hundreds of tanks and IFVs before Russia starts it own massive offensive that finishes this clownshow once and for all
>He's not including the Soviet-era donated tanks
Which is kinda wonky since some of the "Soviet-era" stuff includes some nice nice stuff for upgraded slav shit like the PT-91 from Poland and those recently refurbished T-72EA from the Czechs. Combined Ukraine's recently received 150 of these tanks, and could get more provided Poland is willing to donate more of their PT-91 fleet, and if they can find more monkey-model T-72's to feed into the Czech MIC.
Google "X country donates tanks to Ukraine" for all sources. And while yes, 700 does include the refurbushed soviet stock Poland and other countries have recently pledged and delivered, it's still tanks
>you will live to see T-55 vs Bradley I. Your life time
So what are the odds the Russian T-55s do better than Iraqi T-72s when faced with Bradleys? You think the Ukies might get too wienery and end up trying to conserve TOWs for bigger/better vatnig tanks, and end up allowing too many T-55s to shoot back?
Depends on the terrain. Bradley's did so well in Iraq because TOW missile vastly outrange the T-72's gun, and the desert allowed them to do that. Bradley's still have top of the line sensors and optics, so they should see the enemy long before the enemy can see them, but training really matters with those capabilites.
Ukrainian organic recon with drones is also a huge leg-up on what the Army had in Desert Storm. It's enabled them to leverage certain assets like single tanks or even M113s in an aggressive way that would not otherwise be well-advised.
They aren’t so many fronts where Ukraine can pull more than one counteroffensive. Its way smarter to wait longer into the summer, accumulate more western system like even f-16 and then strike. Meanwhile Russia cant do shit until they mobilize again for more meat
There's a real danger Ukraine's air defences degrade faster than they accumulate Western equipment to counter. The West just doesn't have anything to replace S300 with for the coverage Ukraine needs and it doesn't look like they're getting jets anytime soon.
Yeah, some r fairly reliable estimates show at current usage, Ukraine will be out of S300 missiles within 2 months. They are receiving patriot systems, but no where near fast enough to fill that looming gap.
Wonder if any former soviet bloc countries have some missiles to donate?
>some r fairly reliable estimates show at current usage, Ukraine will be out of S300 missiles within 2 months
how many rocket waves there were since those leaks took place? Because leaks expected full fledged 6 rocket waves in two months
Patriot is like 4 or 5 different missile and warhead types. Have some fast and nimble short to medium range ones for taking out missiles and drones. Medium range general purpose, and some long range stuff that has similar range to S300.
One big advantage patriot has over S300 is the launchers can be a lot further away from the radar. So that 35km range on a short range missile isn't as important if the launcher is 35km from the actual radar.
Depends on what comes with em, it's not so much the plane but access to the wide variety NATO munitions it can carry. HARM, AMRAAM, JSOW, Harpoon and JDAM-ER for a start, if JASSM comes along with em they would very dangerous.
Having HARM's that work properly would be a big deal, any number of systems would make that bridge vulnerable and enough newish Harpoons can threaten any Russian ship within 200km of wherever these planes can get to.
Ah, I see you too went to the Montgomery Scott School of Logistics
not either of you, but they've been pretty much doing this the entire war
they always ask for absurd amounts of shit and then play the "doom and gloom" card for a little while with what they have... and then >kyiv rout >kharkiv rout >kherson rout
all happen as they're DESPERATELY in need of vehicles and shit
>from Spring counter offensive to April counter offensive
VatBlack person shills are getting pretty desperate huh. Hope you throw out your back moving goalposts like that
>200 >300
That doesnt even replace losses along the bakhmut line.
Leopards might be stronger 1v1, but they cant be in 2 places at the same time, for an offensive to work forces from other areas would have to be pulled back. And what if it doesnt work and the concentrated forces are wiped out? What if it DOES work but there are no soldiers to garrison captured territory?
>April counteroffensive
No one's suggesting that except idiots or people running disinfo. I wouldn't expect anything serious before either mid-May or early June.
Maybe
Considering that it's more than Ukraine had in all previous offensives combined, while Russians have least equipment than at any point in war. I think it's enough
Source of your cope?
Lmao what? Black person, what makes you think the side that’s refurbishing T-55s from the Siberian boneyards has more equipment now than they did back last summer?
>Lmao what? Black person, what makes you think the side that’s refurbishing T-55s from the Siberian boneyards has more equipment now than they did back last summer?
They havent sent in all the T-72BM, there are still many on the border, let alone T-90s or Armatas.
Maybe theyre refurbishing T-55s because they dont need to use the newer tanks, because the opposition has no tanks.
Dumbass there are literally 50-60 T-90s of various descriptions remaining as of the last tally.
Holy frick the cope. What's next, they use AK47Ms instead of 100s because they wanna save ammo for the troops that are gonna invade Estonia?
you fricking idiots wait until the russians bring out the clubs , that means the ukrainians don t even have fists axaxaxaxxaxa
>Small amount of modern tech vs large amount of 1950's tech
Mayhaps
I think it's enough the longer they have to acquire equipment and train their soldiers on it. A
*A delay doesn't matter as long as the job itself gets done.
No, Russian defenses are too strong. They will just end up losing hundreds of tanks and IFVs before Russia starts it own massive offensive that finishes this clownshow once and for all
>t.
you are a worthless moron
thx for the laugh
(You).
I am demoralized now
yeah, i highly doubt AIDs infested vat Black folk would stop drinking vodka long enough to pull off a Manstein counter strike.
Realistically, it's not enough. I don't think Ukraine can make much gains with the resources they have.
>tanks in 30 minutes
>two more weeks
sigh
we shall see 🙂
Bro they got 700 tanks in total in the past couple months, where did you get the 200 from?
200 Western tanks is what he's talking about. He's not including the Soviet-era donated tanks
>He's not including the Soviet-era donated tanks
Which is kinda wonky since some of the "Soviet-era" stuff includes some nice nice stuff for upgraded slav shit like the PT-91 from Poland and those recently refurbished T-72EA from the Czechs. Combined Ukraine's recently received 150 of these tanks, and could get more provided Poland is willing to donate more of their PT-91 fleet, and if they can find more monkey-model T-72's to feed into the Czech MIC.
are these 200 modern tanks, or do they include the shit tier Leopard 1s that the homosexual germans are trying to send
>700
Where does this number come from? Any sources?
Google "X country donates tanks to Ukraine" for all sources. And while yes, 700 does include the refurbushed soviet stock Poland and other countries have recently pledged and delivered, it's still tanks
>refurbushed soviet stock Poland and other countries have
Those aren't "refurbished" but rather upgraded - they have thermal sights and so on.
Yes because they got 100 Bradleys as well
Can't wait to see the lancet videos.
lancets are used sparsely - some aa systems, spgs...
they will use one or two to document destroying a bradley but they dont have enough of them to waste on ifvs outside of propaganda videos
>they dont have enough of them
Source: impotent cope.
You are a worthless moron
>you will live to see T-55 vs Bradley I. Your life time
So what are the odds the Russian T-55s do better than Iraqi T-72s when faced with Bradleys? You think the Ukies might get too wienery and end up trying to conserve TOWs for bigger/better vatnig tanks, and end up allowing too many T-55s to shoot back?
Depends on the terrain. Bradley's did so well in Iraq because TOW missile vastly outrange the T-72's gun, and the desert allowed them to do that. Bradley's still have top of the line sensors and optics, so they should see the enemy long before the enemy can see them, but training really matters with those capabilites.
Ukrainian organic recon with drones is also a huge leg-up on what the Army had in Desert Storm. It's enabled them to leverage certain assets like single tanks or even M113s in an aggressive way that would not otherwise be well-advised.
Worry not, comrade! For where HATO scum falters and wavers in their devotion, Mother Russia always delivers!
They aren’t so many fronts where Ukraine can pull more than one counteroffensive. Its way smarter to wait longer into the summer, accumulate more western system like even f-16 and then strike. Meanwhile Russia cant do shit until they mobilize again for more meat
There's a real danger Ukraine's air defences degrade faster than they accumulate Western equipment to counter. The West just doesn't have anything to replace S300 with for the coverage Ukraine needs and it doesn't look like they're getting jets anytime soon.
Yeah, some r fairly reliable estimates show at current usage, Ukraine will be out of S300 missiles within 2 months. They are receiving patriot systems, but no where near fast enough to fill that looming gap.
Wonder if any former soviet bloc countries have some missiles to donate?
>some r fairly reliable estimates show at current usage, Ukraine will be out of S300 missiles within 2 months
how many rocket waves there were since those leaks took place? Because leaks expected full fledged 6 rocket waves in two months
>patriot systems
patriot has much smaller missiles and warheads, idk if it can be direct replacement.
Patriot is like 4 or 5 different missile and warhead types. Have some fast and nimble short to medium range ones for taking out missiles and drones. Medium range general purpose, and some long range stuff that has similar range to S300.
One big advantage patriot has over S300 is the launchers can be a lot further away from the radar. So that 35km range on a short range missile isn't as important if the launcher is 35km from the actual radar.
We gotta take out Russian long-range attack ability. Sabotage the enemy war factories.
>more western system like even f-16
What difference would those ancient planes make?
Depends on what comes with em, it's not so much the plane but access to the wide variety NATO munitions it can carry. HARM, AMRAAM, JSOW, Harpoon and JDAM-ER for a start, if JASSM comes along with em they would very dangerous.
Having HARM's that work properly would be a big deal, any number of systems would make that bridge vulnerable and enough newish Harpoons can threaten any Russian ship within 200km of wherever these planes can get to.
F-16s would obliterate eve try single S-400 in use by Russia
Really concerned by all the shit we are giving the Ukranians - we can still provide our obligations to Israel right?
>muh joos
Number one being Javier shultzheimerbergstein the discord dickwad
>spring counter offensive is only delayed
Here comes the cope.
Of what scale?
Ever heard of the strategy "always ask for more than you need"?
You want 200 tanks? Ask for 300.
Ah, I see you too went to the Montgomery Scott School of Logistics
not either of you, but they've been pretty much doing this the entire war
they always ask for absurd amounts of shit and then play the "doom and gloom" card for a little while with what they have... and then
>kyiv rout
>kharkiv rout
>kherson rout
all happen as they're DESPERATELY in need of vehicles and shit
They also got quite a few from Russia, probably enough to take them well over 300 total
>april counter offensive
two more days xoxol bros.
>from Spring counter offensive to April counter offensive
VatBlack person shills are getting pretty desperate huh. Hope you throw out your back moving goalposts like that
>200
>300
That doesnt even replace losses along the bakhmut line.
Leopards might be stronger 1v1, but they cant be in 2 places at the same time, for an offensive to work forces from other areas would have to be pulled back. And what if it doesnt work and the concentrated forces are wiped out? What if it DOES work but there are no soldiers to garrison captured territory?
Really bad.move
I said 200 was not enough 4 months ago and all I got was /k/ope in response.
>April counteroffensive
No one's suggesting that except idiots or people running disinfo. I wouldn't expect anything serious before either mid-May or early June.
They also said they needed 400 HIMARS to have a chance at turning the tide.