Ukraine didn't buy Grot carbines

Poland has hit 100k grots. Turns out none of them are going to Ukraine. What next? Reboot export models? Keep iterating?

No sale: In early 2023, the previous Polish government stated outright that Ukraine had placed a large order for MSBS Grot rifles. It has come out this week that this claim was false. Apparently it was a ministerial over-reaction to a hit piece* in Polish media.

>In March 2023, special forces soldiers wrote, among other things, that Grot carbines "continuously" jammed. Many of them were missing weapon elements after classes. And in others, parts broke, such as the firing pin. In reaction to Onet's text, the former head of the Ministry of National Defense announced that the Ukrainians had placed a large order for Grot rifles at the Arms Factory in Radom. "I think this is the best response to all these publications," Błaszczak emphasized. Now it turned out that Błaszczak's claim was untrue.

*The new ones really aren't, you know, THAT bad

https://wiadomosci.onet.pl/kraj/mariusz-blaszczak-ukraina-zamowila-karabinki-grot-prawda-nie-bylo-zadnej-transakcji/qpj6j9j

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Onet.pl
    kek, any real sources?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I'm not OP but I can answer that for you
      No

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I got this from a generally reliable ukrainian publication that cited onet. Is this too much of a shit rag to trust? I mean they use a verbatim quote from a PGZ rep replying to them. Ballsy if completely made up.

      I'm not OP but I can answer that for you
      No

      As if I'm not going to look into it more closely now. I can literally just ask people in ukro procurement.

      >Onet.pl
      Yeah we know Poland should have bought HK. Maybe they should write about corruption surrounding new german rifle contract. As for the MSBS, Poland should be glad that its even has a rifle production capaticy.

      I have no idea what you're talking about.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Onet is famous for one thing - polish industry bad, buy German. Onet is woke German propaganda tube

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Onet.pl
    Yeah we know Poland should have bought HK. Maybe they should write about corruption surrounding new german rifle contract. As for the MSBS, Poland should be glad that its even has a rifle production capaticy.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >onet.pl
    xd
    A fricking TASS is most trustworthy than this shit

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      In my defense, the strong majority of content in polish on the internet is incoherent screeching of some variety. I have rock bottom expectations for polish media.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >>In March 2023, special forces soldiers wrote, among other things, that Grot carbines "continuously" jammed. Many of them were missing weapon elements after classes. And in others, parts broke, such as the firing pin. In reaction to Onet's text, the former head of the Ministry of National Defense announced that the Ukrainians had placed a large order for Grot rifles at the Arms Factory in Radom. "I think this is the best response to all these publications," Błaszczak emphasized. Now it turned out that Błaszczak's claim was untrue.
        No surprise here as anyone with half a brain realized that Poland's military was always a potemkin village and no way in hell they had the money to buy all the shit they wanted to buy considering the entire Eurozone is in a depression. Secondly, Poland's MIC is complete garbage since the government let it rot in the 1990s because "muh peace dividend" and German bribing off their politicians. A real shame because they actually had an excellent MIC industry during the Cold War days.

        Too bad there are no flags on /k/ because Polish posters are the absolute worst. They are great people in the real world but online they are batshit crazy.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >you need 2 men to hold it
    impractical

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    That's it, really? I explain that I'm not from your country and all the fight leaves you instantly?

    You kids know linkedin exists, right? Email? Do you just accept schizotheorizing on media bias when you see things that might be bunk, and call it a day?

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >onet de

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I got to the "d00d onet is a german propaganda outlet" spiel an hour ago, anon. If you have nothing to add but source criticism, I won't be replying. I can get past that issue by my own contacts.

      I can't stress enough: I genuinely do not care about polish shithole politics. Nobody who sees polish shitfling threads on PrepHole ever reads them.

      If this story is completely bogus and I can confirm so, I'll be the first to let members of the ukrainian defence press know that they should nail the reporter to the wall.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        NTA, but hey were catched lying about GROT multiple times in the past.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The anon is our local shill. You'll learn to ignore him and his threads in future don't worry.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Is Grot shill one and the same as our most prolific shit head?

            If so, I can understand the irritation. But it's useless to me, and wasted on me. If this story is bogus, it's bogus.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              It is. He basically hates anyone who helped during iraqi freedom, plus France and Germany kek.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I have never discussed the grot here before. I only care about this news as it concerns small arms in ukraine. I am peripherally aware that you guys have your very own grot troll. That ain't me.

          If you have something that disproves the story linked in this thread, give it to me man. I will spread it far and wide.

          If you don't, give me the next-best thing or just let the thread die. I have no dog in this fight.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    there is no need for exports. they will need to make millions of grots to be ready for mobilisation tbh
    100k is a meme number

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >mfw Ukraine didn't buy Grot carbines

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    A classic tale of socialism in action.

    >Have product no one wants.
    >Socialist EU gives gibs so you can produce large amount of product no one wants.
    >You produce large amounts of product no one wants.
    >No one buys large amount of products no one wants.

    kek, I wish we had capitalism in this shithole. The rifle would have stopped existing in its proposal phase and we would have bought AR15s.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >socialism is when government wants a product
      you're moronic anon

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Socialism is when another country tells Poland what to do, which is why Poland will always be a socialist nation.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          go back to school anon

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >hoards
            la creatura...

            Sorry, I just woke up and I'm posting from the shitter. I wouldn't want to offend the delicate sensibilities of our vassals.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Its exactly that lmao.

        >Government wants something
        >you pay
        >Government wants more.
        >You pay more.

        The very definition of socialism lol. I am probably arguing with an american here, who are the dumbest fricks when it comes to capitalism/socialism. They are so uneducated, they literally dont understand the basic concepts of the terrorism that is socialism, democracy or etatism in general.

        >Government good, freedom from government bad
        >Socialism bad, Maga communism good
        >t. american

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous
          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Let me cite works of communists to tell you why capitalism is bad.

            I wish every American half a century of totalitarian socialist rule.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              They invented the term; I'll defer to them on how to use it.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              They invented the term; I'll defer to them on how to use it.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Let me cite works of communists to tell you why capitalism is bad.

          I wish every American half a century of totalitarian socialist rule.

          ok so this was a bait
          8/10 good job anon

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah, we should equip entirely in American equipment and weapons, dismantle the rest of our MIC, and then get fricked up like South Vietnam, because American lawmakers need money for their pork barrel politics and abandon us without second thought
      Brilliant idea

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >we should equip entirely in American equipment
        ESL

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >"I'm Polish"
          >EEEEYYYYY GUUUYS THIS DUDE IS NOT AN AMERICAN, I'M SO SMART TO SPOT IT
          Burger moment

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Polacks should be groveling at our feet and thanking us for protecting them from the Orc hoards, you ungrateful fricking moron.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >hoards
              la creatura...

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              ESL

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                see

                [...]
                Sorry, I just woke up and I'm posting from the shitter. I wouldn't want to offend the delicate sensibilities of our vassals.

                Homophones are tough first thing in the morning.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                this has to be a troll
                >tennis shoes
                >search bar
                >weather report

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >he doesn't listen to the greatest podcast going today
                pleb

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >dan soder, the edgy centerman
                hahahahhaha

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >the edgy centerman
                huh? I was a day one Bonfire fan, and Vanilla Dan really isn't that edgy. He's just funny.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >The rifle would have stopped existing in its proposal phase and we would have bought AR15s.
      AR15s with gas pistons* because you know that would have 100% happened.

      Yeah, we should equip entirely in American equipment and weapons, dismantle the rest of our MIC, and then get fricked up like South Vietnam, because American lawmakers need money for their pork barrel politics and abandon us without second thought
      Brilliant idea

      What the frick are you smoking? Are you done projecting?

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Der onet
    Do you have a real source?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You have made your distaste for this tabloid abundantly clear. I have made my willingness to to direct to the contracting parties equally clear. I do not give a shit about defending onet.

      If you can't tell me something useful about the real situation, and you do not want to discuss the rifle in general, I have no further need to reply to this thread.

      This will be my last reply until someone says something useful.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        *to go direct to the contracting parties

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >*The new ones really aren't, you know, THAT bad
    Grot was fricked form the very beginning not by the press or even it's construction per se but by moronic politicians which is kinda sad because i believe it has potential.
    The minister of defense pushed it hard for his home defense pet project and thus not only ordered over 50k before the usual kinks were ironed out by proper testing but started handing them out to people with no prior firearms handling experience at all and varying degree of training on top.
    To put that into perspective, the home guard doesn't have a standardised guideline for training even now so every "mobile training squad" does whatever they see fit, so a lot of the corrosion problems turned out to be simple neglect of proper cleaning
    Same with the testing, sure it was shot at the range but no one thought that maybe it should be tried in normal use with the strap attached, and the glorified commando unit trials turned to be almost nothing because they simply handed them some grots and told them to do whatever you want with them.
    To no ones surprise they didn't give a shit about figuring out a testing regime on top of their regular work and just gave them to the new guys to put some rounds through them at the range and as far as i know only one unit actually put in some work at this.
    Grotard and his merry companions won't ever admit it because it puts the party they shill for in a bad light so better run with the official pis approved strategy of blaming krauts for everything, two birds with one stone right?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >so a lot of the corrosion problems turned out to be simple neglect of proper cleaning
      So, Polish armament being good in theory but completely dragged down by poor maintenance to the point of near unusability, then the government screeches because their hyperambitious projects can't be fullfilled unless they first fix their shit and start treating it like they're part of NATO now...
      Boy I just got the biggest flashbacks to the Polish Leopard drama.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Boy I just got the biggest flashbacks to the Polish Leopard drama.
        You made it up.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Boy I just got the biggest flashbacks to the Polish Leopard drama.
        Because thats what this actually is, a shitload of screeching and shilling that doesn't even try to adress the real issues but chooses to score some dumbass boomer votes with boogeyman propaganda instead.
        The problem with this is that it's actually harmful to the grot and the public opinion on it, since while it may sway some normies not into guns, for people in the industry and enthusiasts it looks ridiculous.
        Guess it shows what is more important to them in the end

        Grot is fine. All successful rifles (including Bren 2) had a lot of iterations.

        >Grot is fine. All successful rifles (including Bren 2) had a lot of iterations.
        That's what i'm saying, now it only needs to be a bit lighter to be a solid contender.
        Hell, even the iteration argument shouldn't be necessary because a lot of the issues with the early versions were due to the neglected maintenance, and some of the badly treated ones went with the first batch sent to ukraine, only adding to their (partly) undeserved bad reputation
        It's basically an instruction on how not to introduce a new rifle because it is a good project let down by skimping on trials and moronic politicians

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Grot is fine. All successful rifles (including Bren 2) had a lot of iterations.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's old news.

    Talks about Ukraine ordering Grot were Zelensky and Duda still had their honeymoon.

    Then everything changed and Ukraine ordered Bren 2.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      They did?
      >le happy pepik

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Poland made a mistake sending old gen Grots to Ukraine. It generated negative reviews for Grot as a rifle in general.

        https://mil.in.ua/en/news/czech-cz-bren-2-assault-rifles-to-be-produced-in-ukraine/

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >onet.pl
    At least look up defence24.pl or something.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >buy
    homie they get all their shit in exchange for selling their farmland to blackrock.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    is it a secret deal or can you just send an email to the authorities to find out if it even happened?

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I forget the specifics but I watched a ukie vid and the gist was that they had issues with ergonomics and parts wear but not the actual combat performance.

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Send them to the US market, I'll buy one.

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Damn, brownoids and defeatist poolacks sure want Poland to fail, huh?

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Brief reminder that Poland has its own troll company (Cat@Net) that shills hard for its MIC.
    The entire "free the Leopards" shit, how weak Scholz is etc? That was them, driving that campaign, in order to make Poland a lot of money.

    • 1 month ago
      T-I-G-E-R-S

      Sounds based. Tell me more.

      https://i.imgur.com/B4TuYQn.jpg

      I give zero frick about U*raine just ship those Grots to the US so I can buy one.

      Blame 922(r) and that one bucko selling Polish steel core 5,45

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I give zero frick about U*raine just ship those Grots to the US so I can buy one.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      visit poland at grab one yourself anon
      they're up for sale

  21. 1 month ago
    T-I-G-E-R-S

    The fabled journalist duo of Edyta Żemła (giving the best head...lines since Ghazni) and Marcin "let's visit occupied Crimea" Wyrwał were sued by FB Radom two years ago

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