Why do some people get physically mad at the concept of 45ACP? I sincerely do not understand the hate. I can chalk up what I see on here to a bit of internet ribbing, but when you see it in real life, the personal opinion of some homosexual "guntubers," or extremely vitriolic tirades on different sites, it becomes extremely puzzling.
I understand the trade-off in capacity, felt recoil, and velocity, but it doesn't warrant the hate.
It doesn't really seem to be a generational issue. I've seen Gen Xers and Millennials (the primary offenders) get extremely bent out of shape by the 'ol 45, and I've met many a zoomer that loves yelling TWO WORLD WARS and talk about their beloved big boolit well they fire their turk or flip 1911s.
I just don't get it. Is it some kind of extreme reaction to the previous fuddlore about 9mm vs 45ACP? Is it just that some people took jokes about the round, or jokes about other calibers from the 45ACP side, literally and it's developed into genuine hate?
Its autists who obsess over statistical likelihood stats and the nuances of ballistics who seethe with rage at the >big rock more hurt
mentality of the moronic boomers and video game addled zoomers who think bullet diameter = hit points. Its two of the worst groups of people in the gun world colliding over arguments that ultimately have little to no relevance in the real world.
this
I took a handgun class a little bit ago and the guy next to me had a .45. At the end when we were cleaning up brass, you couldn't even tell the difference between the two cases, while standing up looking at them on the ground, unless they were right next to each other.
>Why do some people get physically mad at the concept of 45ACP? I sincerely do not understand the hate.
Why are you so insecure and defensive about one of the many old non-snowflake cartridges you happen to like that you feel the need to invent strawmen over it anon? Unless you're just being a homosexual who goes onto the internet specifically to look for stupid people with stupid takes and then get in a tizzy about it. Like who fricking cares?
Seriously, what drives you here? Can't be ammo or gun availability, 45 isn't going anywhere same as 380, 9mm, or any of the other major common old handgun rounds.
Because it harkensback to the days when bigger was unquestionably better. Later due to technological developements smaller diameter handgun rounds became more effective. And here is the 'why do they seethe part' the same improvements apply to the .45 auto, which was fine to begin with but now is even more fine. Not much, I mean we are talking handgun rounds after all.
>Why do some people get physically mad at the concept of 45ACP? I sincerely do not understand the hate.
Why are you so insecure and defensive about one of the many old non-snowflake cartridges you happen to like that you feel the need to invent strawmen over it anon? Unless you're just being a homosexual who goes onto the internet specifically to look for stupid people with stupid takes and then get in a tizzy about it. Like who fricking cares?
Seriously, what drives you here? Can't be ammo or gun availability, 45 isn't going anywhere same as 380, 9mm, or any of the other major common old handgun rounds.
.45s fine and a fun cartridge, it's definitely adequate for defensive use. If you like it then shoot it and enjoy yourself. There really isn't anything practically wrong with CCWing a 1911 in 2024, if you get kilt on the streets it'll almost assuredly be due to something else and not the caliber or firearm. The problem is .45 advocates, there was a smooth transition of self assured boomers trying to convince people it was the best thing ever and cope over the technological improvements that disproportionately benefited 9mm into millennials and boomers looking desperately for anything to tie their identity to or to make a hot take that "well ahktchually all the experts and serious users are wrong and here's why it's the best and everyone else is are the ones coping". .45 fanbois have been shitting up the gunosphere with the same moronic shit for ever now. They simply can't help themselves, .45 is a part of their identity and they NEED it to be better than the other calibers.
Because it harkensback to the days when bigger was unquestionably better. Later due to technological developements smaller diameter handgun rounds became more effective. And here is the 'why do they seethe part' the same improvements apply to the .45 auto, which was fine to begin with but now is even more fine. Not much, I mean we are talking handgun rounds after all.
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not him but 9v45 lol and on ukraine board
Nah, the gap was between 9mm being an unreliable performer while .45 had more insurance in that regard due it's size/mass. Now they're both reliable performers because of improved bullet tech. Diminishing returns have fully kicked in.
one issue is that 9mm defenders always seem to contradict themselves. they'll say things like "technological advancements" and then go on to say that bullet placement is really the only thing that matters and that they'd choose something smaller if it was as convenient as 9mm in terms of cost and availability in guns, which begs the questions the question, why even bring up technological advancements in the first place?
the two sides are talking past each other because what the 9mm stans really mean to say is that "given my assumption/evidence that effectiveness on target doesn't differ significantly between handgun cartridges, I chose the cheapest one" whereas the 45 guys are claiming .451" is THE be all end all diameter.
just admit you're you're compromising because you happen to like a gun in 9mm or because it's cheap. if you do, then the 45 boomers will have to actually confront every thinner girl in battle.
>why even bring up technological advancements in the first place?
because of Miami Dade you fricking moron (although I'm 80% sure you're trolling)
The whole genesis of 10mm, .40 S&W and later .357 Sig was the failure of a round during the shootout to penetrate through the suspect's arm and all the way to his heart, which likely would've ended the fight sooner. This is what also spawned the FBI ballistics gel test of penetrating 12-17"
Modern 9mm has no issue meeting that criteria. Whereas if you go down to .380, but like 9mm from the Miami Dade era, (out of pocket guns, which are typical for the caliber) it either doesn't expand and get's satisfactory penetration or it does expand, but gets insufficient penetration. Although there are a handful of rounds on the market that will typically do both. (Hornady, screwdriver tips, etc).
>because of Miami Dade you fricking moron
The criteria requires expansion, not just that it stop at a certain number of inches. This can't be justified and therefore the "modern technology" can't either because a bullet going the same trajectory but with "inadequate" expansion would've punctured the organ. Any additional argument about expansion becomes arbitrary because then you'd have to justify why a specific amount of expansion is neccessary and I've never seen anything saying that 9mm is the minimum in terms of bullet diameter.
Minmax gays + people assuming they switched to 9mm for preformance rather than economic reasons.
45 is fantastic, and 9 is handy. Some people are just twinkwristed and have to rely on 9 alone. That being said, ill stick to 45 for all of the benefits it brings over 9mm.
A lot of people dunno the science behind bullets, so the path of least resistance is be a zealot for whatever is trendy. Same thing happened to night sights in place of dots. Trend became mainstream and the norm was shifted despite facts not changing.
>.460 rowland curbstomps 10mm and is literally the "I CAN carry a .46" meme.
.460 rowland and 10mm is the same caliber argument as .45 vs 9mm but for automagnum cartridges.
I was a 45 evangelist for 20 years, only owned 45 and 10mm pistols and stockpiled 45/10mm ammo. wife got a 9mm and let me shoot it, I realized how fun it was to shoot and the ammo is 1/2 the price. I went out and got a P-09 and i shoot the hell out of it now, I can afford to shoot/train twice as often - and I started AIWB carrying it... 19 rounds of 9mm +p I should hope I wouldn't need more than that in a bad situation. I still love my 45acp but 9mm gets me way more range time.
>Want stopping power? Carry a .45. >Want capacity? Carry a 9mm.
Basically this, if you are getting into somekind of extended shootout and hiding behind shit, 9mm is the way to go.
If you are getting robbed and the person is 10 feet away from you in an open area, 45 acp it is.
>45 is fantastic
10mm is superior and fits more rounds per gun
Depends, for bears? Yeah.
For People? Nah, full power 10mm tends to still wildly over penetrate even when coming into direct contact with multiple layers of bone.
Why would you choose .45 for "stopping power" when it's so much weaker than 10mm? Might as well just carry 9 at that point they're almost the same thing.
45 drops all its energy into a target and tends to not over penetrate.
9mm tends to over penetrate and have lackluster stopping capabilities without a critical or multiple shots
10mm has absurd stopping power but has a very high chance to over penetrate even when coming into contact with multiple layers of bone.
over penetration in a suburban setting = bad
Over penetration in the forest = doesnt matter
Stopping power = good but you need it to have certain properties for certain settings.
Its almost like each bullet has its own costs and benefits but when you try to discuss it with someone on the internet they tend to be autistic caliber ideologists
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.45 overpenetrates worse than 9mm though because it has more mass. It really doesn't have any practical advantages aside from psychological confidence it gives its owner.
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>Try to legitimately discuss something on the internet >An autistic guys literally starts making things up as counter arguments
Couldnt be me kek
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>Try to legitimately regurgitate the boomer fuddlore I've read about .45 AARP over the years like """knockdown power""" >Stupid autist won't even laugh at my .46 joke
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Everything I have said about 9mm vs 45 is observably true.
You might not like it, but accept it.
>Why should I choose anything else?
a single 9mm bullet is equally effective as a .45acp bullet
but the 9mm bullet will cause less recoil, all else being equal, which means you can land the 2nd one faster than if you were shooting .45acp
and you can carry more 9mm bullets in the same gun as .45acp
also 9mm is cheaper, and there's more guns to choose from
its just better, overall
>Why would I need anything else?
you don't.
9mm is better, but .45acp definitely works too
if you have a .45acp gun you're happy with, by all means stick with it
I don't understand why you'd pick .45 over 9mm, .40, or 10mm. 9 and .40 fit in smaller guns, 10mm fits in the same guns, all have better capacity. .40 more-or-less matches it shot for shot, 10mm exceeds it shot for shot, 9mm has significantly less recoil.
>Not sure why there needs to be a caliber war.
Because boomers had a tizzy over 9mm, so now millennials need to piss and shit their pants in a fit over 45ACP. Dumbasses that didn't know what a joke was, or need to hate anything old (ignoring that 9mm predates 45ACP) to own the le elderly. Instead of letting stupidity die with the fudds they supposedly hate so much, they have instead become a group of neomorons that will spread as much bullshit as the fudds did. We've gone from the fudds saying how they knew a guy that knew a guy that unloaded an entire Glock 19 mag into a guy's chest and was totally unphased, to this new group of mongoloids talking about how they read a reddit post about someone dodging 45ACP at point blank range cause it's so slow.
This is the most appropriate thread to ask: why did the allies drop Liberator pistols in France instead of old, rusty SMG's chambered in .45?
I know the idea was to not waste good weapons and to not give the enemy firepower since the Germutts lacked SMG's and most troops were armed with bolt actions.
But if they dropped 500-1000 SMG's over France with 1-2 magazines of .45 each the Germans would need to start their own .45 production to use them and further strain their supply lines with another caliber and for what some shitty <1000 guns?
I bet the Frog resistance would have appreciated this more.
just off the top of my head >how would the French get sufficient ammo to feed SMGs >those old rusty SMGs were probably cleaned and used by the US >handguns are easy to conceal and the main point of the french resistance was to sabotage critical stuff, not kill a dozen guards for no other reason that would have any impact on the war
and to elaborate on the last point.
If you wind up shooting a guard at some point during your mission. With the liberator you can just stuff it back in your pocket and blend in with the rest of the civilians population, with an SMG you'd have to drop it and probably lose it forever.
It's also much easier to hide a pistol in your home, or wherever, so that it's not found in the event of a search.
The whole point of the liberator was to kill a German and take his weapon and ammo. Which is probably a K98 that you alsocan't conceal and you have little ammo to use anyway. So I skipped the silly assasination part.
As for the point about wasting good weapons nah, the Americans had no shortage issues as far as I know.
ive dropped alot of wild boars with my .45 (30yr boomer)
"muh stoppn powr" probably doesnt matter as much when dealing with humans compared to 9mm, but in my experience when it comes to wild boars the stopping power makes a big difference.
I read that temporary wound cavity fricks up the liver cause it's not as 'gellatin-like' (scientific-term, source is my ass) as other organs. Maybe the boars' organs act like human livers?
Maybe if you didnt have to pay literally 1$ per full power cartridge kek
All the ammo that is reason you get the 10mm is really expensive premium ammo.
Just get a 9mm. Out of a carbine 9mm will be at .357 mag velocities.
Also don't use memes like 10mm for your primary cartridge unless you live in bear country. Even if the 10mm shills are right (which they're not), it wouldn't be worth it for your primary guns. I guarantee you every one of them shoots more 9mm or 45 ACP more than 10mm.
Also for long guns, shotguns BTFO all other long guns.
Grandpa you're dehydrated again. Go drink some water and get off the forums
you wouldn't but consider a small lady with an even smaller handbag. she might want the comparative small frame of a 9mm
For her I suggest The Ladies Home Companion in 45-70
.25acp is the ladies cartridge
ya mudda
sure it can penetrate deeper and expand wider, but who cares about that. certainly the misses doesn't, she's confirmed that they just hurt anyway.
>makes Zoomers scream and seethe and shit their pants with rage
>gets slowly phased out of the market as its users die of old age
I’m a zoomer and I like it..it’s a definitely a big bullet
>Why would I need anything else?
you simply dont
Why do some people get physically mad at the concept of 45ACP? I sincerely do not understand the hate. I can chalk up what I see on here to a bit of internet ribbing, but when you see it in real life, the personal opinion of some homosexual "guntubers," or extremely vitriolic tirades on different sites, it becomes extremely puzzling.
I understand the trade-off in capacity, felt recoil, and velocity, but it doesn't warrant the hate.
It doesn't really seem to be a generational issue. I've seen Gen Xers and Millennials (the primary offenders) get extremely bent out of shape by the 'ol 45, and I've met many a zoomer that loves yelling TWO WORLD WARS and talk about their beloved big boolit well they fire their turk or flip 1911s.
I just don't get it. Is it some kind of extreme reaction to the previous fuddlore about 9mm vs 45ACP? Is it just that some people took jokes about the round, or jokes about other calibers from the 45ACP side, literally and it's developed into genuine hate?
Its autists who obsess over statistical likelihood stats and the nuances of ballistics who seethe with rage at the
>big rock more hurt
mentality of the moronic boomers and video game addled zoomers who think bullet diameter = hit points. Its two of the worst groups of people in the gun world colliding over arguments that ultimately have little to no relevance in the real world.
this
I took a handgun class a little bit ago and the guy next to me had a .45. At the end when we were cleaning up brass, you couldn't even tell the difference between the two cases, while standing up looking at them on the ground, unless they were right next to each other.
>Why do some people get physically mad at the concept of 45ACP? I sincerely do not understand the hate.
Why are you so insecure and defensive about one of the many old non-snowflake cartridges you happen to like that you feel the need to invent strawmen over it anon? Unless you're just being a homosexual who goes onto the internet specifically to look for stupid people with stupid takes and then get in a tizzy about it. Like who fricking cares?
Seriously, what drives you here? Can't be ammo or gun availability, 45 isn't going anywhere same as 380, 9mm, or any of the other major common old handgun rounds.
Because it harkensback to the days when bigger was unquestionably better. Later due to technological developements smaller diameter handgun rounds became more effective. And here is the 'why do they seethe part' the same improvements apply to the .45 auto, which was fine to begin with but now is even more fine. Not much, I mean we are talking handgun rounds after all.
not him but 9v45 lol and on ukraine board
im just here cuz its funny
.45s fine and a fun cartridge, it's definitely adequate for defensive use. If you like it then shoot it and enjoy yourself. There really isn't anything practically wrong with CCWing a 1911 in 2024, if you get kilt on the streets it'll almost assuredly be due to something else and not the caliber or firearm. The problem is .45 advocates, there was a smooth transition of self assured boomers trying to convince people it was the best thing ever and cope over the technological improvements that disproportionately benefited 9mm into millennials and boomers looking desperately for anything to tie their identity to or to make a hot take that "well ahktchually all the experts and serious users are wrong and here's why it's the best and everyone else is are the ones coping". .45 fanbois have been shitting up the gunosphere with the same moronic shit for ever now. They simply can't help themselves, .45 is a part of their identity and they NEED it to be better than the other calibers.
Nah, the gap was between 9mm being an unreliable performer while .45 had more insurance in that regard due it's size/mass. Now they're both reliable performers because of improved bullet tech. Diminishing returns have fully kicked in.
one issue is that 9mm defenders always seem to contradict themselves. they'll say things like "technological advancements" and then go on to say that bullet placement is really the only thing that matters and that they'd choose something smaller if it was as convenient as 9mm in terms of cost and availability in guns, which begs the questions the question, why even bring up technological advancements in the first place?
the two sides are talking past each other because what the 9mm stans really mean to say is that "given my assumption/evidence that effectiveness on target doesn't differ significantly between handgun cartridges, I chose the cheapest one" whereas the 45 guys are claiming .451" is THE be all end all diameter.
just admit you're you're compromising because you happen to like a gun in 9mm or because it's cheap. if you do, then the 45 boomers will have to actually confront every thinner girl in battle.
>why even bring up technological advancements in the first place?
because of Miami Dade you fricking moron (although I'm 80% sure you're trolling)
The whole genesis of 10mm, .40 S&W and later .357 Sig was the failure of a round during the shootout to penetrate through the suspect's arm and all the way to his heart, which likely would've ended the fight sooner. This is what also spawned the FBI ballistics gel test of penetrating 12-17"
Modern 9mm has no issue meeting that criteria. Whereas if you go down to .380, but like 9mm from the Miami Dade era, (out of pocket guns, which are typical for the caliber) it either doesn't expand and get's satisfactory penetration or it does expand, but gets insufficient penetration. Although there are a handful of rounds on the market that will typically do both. (Hornady, screwdriver tips, etc).
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>because of Miami Dade you fricking moron
The criteria requires expansion, not just that it stop at a certain number of inches. This can't be justified and therefore the "modern technology" can't either because a bullet going the same trajectory but with "inadequate" expansion would've punctured the organ. Any additional argument about expansion becomes arbitrary because then you'd have to justify why a specific amount of expansion is neccessary and I've never seen anything saying that 9mm is the minimum in terms of bullet diameter.
Minmax gays + people assuming they switched to 9mm for preformance rather than economic reasons.
45 is fantastic, and 9 is handy. Some people are just twinkwristed and have to rely on 9 alone. That being said, ill stick to 45 for all of the benefits it brings over 9mm.
A lot of people dunno the science behind bullets, so the path of least resistance is be a zealot for whatever is trendy. Same thing happened to night sights in place of dots. Trend became mainstream and the norm was shifted despite facts not changing.
>45 is fantastic
10mm is superior and fits more rounds per gun
>.460 rowland curbstomps 10mm and is literally the "I CAN carry a .46" meme.
.460 rowland and 10mm is the same caliber argument as .45 vs 9mm but for automagnum cartridges.
I was a 45 evangelist for 20 years, only owned 45 and 10mm pistols and stockpiled 45/10mm ammo. wife got a 9mm and let me shoot it, I realized how fun it was to shoot and the ammo is 1/2 the price. I went out and got a P-09 and i shoot the hell out of it now, I can afford to shoot/train twice as often - and I started AIWB carrying it... 19 rounds of 9mm +p I should hope I wouldn't need more than that in a bad situation. I still love my 45acp but 9mm gets me way more range time.
what gun in .45ACP do you own?
Not telling you fed.
oh no, it's another caliber shill that just got filtered.
Want stopping power? Carry a .45.
Want capacity? Carry a 9mm.
It is all personal preference on if you want a few big holes, or a lot of little ones?
Of all the nogunz in this thread, you are the noest of guns's
>Want stopping power? Carry a .45.
>Want capacity? Carry a 9mm.
Basically this, if you are getting into somekind of extended shootout and hiding behind shit, 9mm is the way to go.
If you are getting robbed and the person is 10 feet away from you in an open area, 45 acp it is.
Depends, for bears? Yeah.
For People? Nah, full power 10mm tends to still wildly over penetrate even when coming into direct contact with multiple layers of bone.
Why would you choose .45 for "stopping power" when it's so much weaker than 10mm? Might as well just carry 9 at that point they're almost the same thing.
45 drops all its energy into a target and tends to not over penetrate.
9mm tends to over penetrate and have lackluster stopping capabilities without a critical or multiple shots
10mm has absurd stopping power but has a very high chance to over penetrate even when coming into contact with multiple layers of bone.
over penetration in a suburban setting = bad
Over penetration in the forest = doesnt matter
Stopping power = good but you need it to have certain properties for certain settings.
Its almost like each bullet has its own costs and benefits but when you try to discuss it with someone on the internet they tend to be autistic caliber ideologists
.45 overpenetrates worse than 9mm though because it has more mass. It really doesn't have any practical advantages aside from psychological confidence it gives its owner.
>Try to legitimately discuss something on the internet
>An autistic guys literally starts making things up as counter arguments
Couldnt be me kek
>Try to legitimately regurgitate the boomer fuddlore I've read about .45 AARP over the years like """knockdown power"""
>Stupid autist won't even laugh at my .46 joke
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Everything I have said about 9mm vs 45 is observably true.
You might not like it, but accept it.
Millions of bystanders must die
One with a long barrel and good sight radius, that's all I'll say.
>back in my day..
grandpa, go to sleep
I had to dig through my meme folder.
This is me and when I shoot it I imagine I'm actually shooting a 75 caliber handheld musket
It's a cannon I can carry on my waist. Why should I choose anything else? Why would I need anything else?
>Why should I choose anything else?
a single 9mm bullet is equally effective as a .45acp bullet
but the 9mm bullet will cause less recoil, all else being equal, which means you can land the 2nd one faster than if you were shooting .45acp
and you can carry more 9mm bullets in the same gun as .45acp
also 9mm is cheaper, and there's more guns to choose from
its just better, overall
>Why would I need anything else?
you don't.
9mm is better, but .45acp definitely works too
if you have a .45acp gun you're happy with, by all means stick with it
I don't understand why you'd pick .45 over 9mm, .40, or 10mm. 9 and .40 fit in smaller guns, 10mm fits in the same guns, all have better capacity. .40 more-or-less matches it shot for shot, 10mm exceeds it shot for shot, 9mm has significantly less recoil.
Nostalgia? Tradition?
It's bigger.
Because I can.
>tfw a big guy
uuuu
45 stops someone faster than 9mm will, thats literally just it.
Can also do reasonably well against larger animals with different bullet types
It's a downgrade from .45 Long Colt.
Kill 8 guys nice and dead or kill 15 guys nice and dead. Is just math.
Two whirled prostitutes, Arthur.
Carry whatever you want, anon. Just train lots. Not sure why there needs to be a caliber war.
>Not sure why there needs to be a caliber war.
Because boomers had a tizzy over 9mm, so now millennials need to piss and shit their pants in a fit over 45ACP. Dumbasses that didn't know what a joke was, or need to hate anything old (ignoring that 9mm predates 45ACP) to own the le elderly. Instead of letting stupidity die with the fudds they supposedly hate so much, they have instead become a group of neomorons that will spread as much bullshit as the fudds did. We've gone from the fudds saying how they knew a guy that knew a guy that unloaded an entire Glock 19 mag into a guy's chest and was totally unphased, to this new group of mongoloids talking about how they read a reddit post about someone dodging 45ACP at point blank range cause it's so slow.
This is the most appropriate thread to ask: why did the allies drop Liberator pistols in France instead of old, rusty SMG's chambered in .45?
I know the idea was to not waste good weapons and to not give the enemy firepower since the Germutts lacked SMG's and most troops were armed with bolt actions.
But if they dropped 500-1000 SMG's over France with 1-2 magazines of .45 each the Germans would need to start their own .45 production to use them and further strain their supply lines with another caliber and for what some shitty <1000 guns?
I bet the Frog resistance would have appreciated this more.
just off the top of my head
>how would the French get sufficient ammo to feed SMGs
>those old rusty SMGs were probably cleaned and used by the US
>handguns are easy to conceal and the main point of the french resistance was to sabotage critical stuff, not kill a dozen guards for no other reason that would have any impact on the war
and to elaborate on the last point.
If you wind up shooting a guard at some point during your mission. With the liberator you can just stuff it back in your pocket and blend in with the rest of the civilians population, with an SMG you'd have to drop it and probably lose it forever.
It's also much easier to hide a pistol in your home, or wherever, so that it's not found in the event of a search.
The whole point of the liberator was to kill a German and take his weapon and ammo. Which is probably a K98 that you alsocan't conceal and you have little ammo to use anyway. So I skipped the silly assasination part.
As for the point about wasting good weapons nah, the Americans had no shortage issues as far as I know.
ive dropped alot of wild boars with my .45 (30yr boomer)
"muh stoppn powr" probably doesnt matter as much when dealing with humans compared to 9mm, but in my experience when it comes to wild boars the stopping power makes a big difference.
I read that temporary wound cavity fricks up the liver cause it's not as 'gellatin-like' (scientific-term, source is my ass) as other organs. Maybe the boars' organs act like human livers?
can it, nogunz
It’s a chonker and I like it.
But the future is the 10mm auto cartridge, sadly
Maybe if you didnt have to pay literally 1$ per full power cartridge kek
All the ammo that is reason you get the 10mm is really expensive premium ammo.
I’ve been thinking about getting a 10mm handgun and a 10mm pcc such as a kriss for my urban ass setting instead of 9mm + 5.56
No cap?
I’m having a full head of hair so no, I don’t wear caps
Fr fr?
On a stack?
No I’m not from France and I’m not doing roids either
You bussin foo?
Leave my bussy alone
No, I don't wait tables.
Just get a 9mm. Out of a carbine 9mm will be at .357 mag velocities.
Also don't use memes like 10mm for your primary cartridge unless you live in bear country. Even if the 10mm shills are right (which they're not), it wouldn't be worth it for your primary guns. I guarantee you every one of them shoots more 9mm or 45 ACP more than 10mm.
Also for long guns, shotguns BTFO all other long guns.
.45 just satisfies that caveman part of my brain that insists big bullet more better. I carry 9mm handguns as well, but luv me fuddy fives.
20 aught buck aught 6 chambered in a 2 2 5mm acp cartridge. This thing'll stop an elephant out to 1000ft.
shit ass aac 5.7 is better for people shootn and is more fun