>Two of the most capable military cargo ships in U.S. inventory are among the vessels now stuck in Baltimore following the collapse of the Francis Scott Key Bridge yesterday. The two members of the Algol class, which are also some of the fastest cargo vessels of their general size anywhere in the world, and two other reserve sealift ships were in port in Baltimore when the incident occurred. Readers can first get up to speed on what happened to the Francis Scott Key Bridge, which was struck by the container ship MV Dali, with The War Zone's initial reporting on the incident here.
https://www.twz.com/sea/two-of-the-fastest-u-s-sealift-ships-trapped-by-baltimore-bridge-collapse
Seems like that is a solution not a problem. Those two ships are more than capable of pulling one of the bridge sections out of the way.
>Those two ships are more than capable of pulling one of the bridge sections out of the way.
That would solve the problem though, and we can't have that.
These ships are over 50 years old, wonder if the Navy is replacing them?
Nope. The entire mothball fleet is going to be interesting in action.
thank you come again
This is reminisent of that Advanced Warfare level where the PMC drops the Golden Gate Bridge on the 6th Fleet while it's docked in San Francisco bay.
>6th fleet in San Francisco bay
Anon....
Wait until you hear about Black Ops 2. It's got an aircraft carrier called the USS Obama.
Read that as:
>It's got a black aircraft carrier called the USS Obama.
and was all WTF???!! Did they REALLY?
Now I'm very sad they didn't have the balls. There's actual potential for some silly süper-wünderwäffles mod campaign with an unstoppable, unseeable Black Carrier haunting the oceans.
>Black Ops 2
>USS Obama
heh. Also reminds me of this video. Fricking classic.
>tfw the XM8 is in the game as an M8A1 with pic rail handguards with KAC rail covers
>now stuck in Baltimore
oof
What's wrong with Baltimore? Can people carry guns there?
do american cities actually look like this or is this some le epic trolle video
Baltimore is one of the shittiest cities in the nation
Only the "extra diverse" sections.
Some blue cities yes, but most of America does not look like a dump and is better off than most areas in Europe by a decent bit.
Most of Baltimore actually is a shithole though and indeed look like that. I actually recognize most of the streets in that video and they look no better/worse now than a few years ago.
t. briefly lived in Baltimore.
yeah pretty much. you ever wonder why people hate on cities? they are probably american and this is what a city looks like to them. in such a world of course they avoid them like the plague
Yeah nah cities are universally awful places, crawling with all the filth of humanity in a sickening mix of avarice, sedition, and vice. No matter the city. The press of people everywhere, each one so desensitized to the endless amount of people that they're ironically more isolated than ever, only they're breathing in fumes and disease.
Frick cities, humans were never meant to congregate in groups above a thousand.
t. Swe
>t. Swe
Autistic people quite often dislike large groups and struggle with noises
So do people who like to live in places with more trees than people. I can still go to the mall without social anxiety.
lmao you done him in
>I can still go to the mall without social anxiety.
nice flex aspie, we’re all happy for your ability to go to the mall without collapsing into a ball
>t. flyover
How’s the ‘beetus treatin ya Billy Lee Ray?
>>t. flyover
>How’s the ‘beetus treatin ya Billy Lee Ray?
I live less than 2 hours from NYC and Manhattanites are subhuman.
Just because they're autistic doesn't mean they're wrong.
Double-linebreakers aren't worth replying to.
Probably fricking some diner waitress woth daddy issues, if he has survived liver failure in the last 20 years.
based swe
that's just hamsterdam
Mate, did you forget the riots in 2014? It has not gotten better since then.
Load Google maps and go city view over Baltimore. It's Fallout franchise town
You know how european cities had a israeli ghetto back in the day? Well there's a reason we call ours -ghettos-. I went to a seaside movie theatre in Wilmington ("Killmington") and the area around it was nice, yuppie upscale. But I know 5-10 minute drive away is stuff that looks maybe not as ratchet as that, but definitely 50% of the way there.
>le *concerne* trolle post outside of /b/
Frick. Off.
africans, drugs, and drug money do this
the only reason it doesn't get cleaned up is because someone is making money off of it, or there is no money to be made
American cities are forced to subsidize suburbs and are consequently underfunded as a rule.
>dey murder and rob becuz dey po'. It whi pepos fauwt! Mo' money for dem programz!
Why don't poor whites kill others at the same rate as poor blacks? (Or rich blacks for that matter).
They do, just out in the sticks where nobody cares.
Baltimore is the easternmost part of the Rust Belt.
>the government manipulates statistics to achieve political aims
Stop right there CHUDnik
We don't tolerate election deniers on /k/
Dumbass niga that's Trinidad and tabacco.
Cities on every continent are like this
I grew up in a Housing Commission flat (government-subsidised housing for junkies and other people on welfare) in Australia (picrelated). It wasn't anything like that video and I'm pretty confident you could search streetview for hours and not find even half a dozen streets that looked that bad in any Australian city, not even around the housing projects in Redfern or Collingwood.
Inb4 you pullup some photo from Wadeye or Alice. Those ain't cities.
No shit moron, you have a racially homogeneous society with roughly 8% of the population of the U.S. Use your fricking brain you Aussie cuck
Should've posted "cities on every continent except Australia" then.
Go look up Paris, London, Glasgow, Moscow, or Rome. They all shit parts to them
Homogenous city.
Wait till your recent imports have teenage children. Then the crime waves cause other citizens to move away from the causes (white flight) and the taxes of the area don't pay for even half the services or police which are subsidized by neighboring areas. Then they cry racist when the police try to fix anything in the neighborhood that doesn't even generate enough taxes to pay for the police that are always patroling it. And then your systemic racism is at fault and other tax dollars need to be spent on endless programs to help that area at the expense of helping other areas less, including the better behaved but equaly poor white ones.
Only Americans have autismfits about how they hate cities. It's actually really annoying and makes it impossible to discuss any sorts of improvements to how the country should be built. It's like trying to talk about defense posture and having a a moronic hippy interject about how weapons are bad and there should be no wars or militaries every time someone opens their mouth to say anything.
Cities require accommodating other people which is a burden.Cities make land ownership unaffordable. More acreage and fewer neighbors is always desirable which is why those who canafford a country villa etc tend to do so.
Cities require mingling which is bad enough, but are infested with poors. Why would anyone with a choice and not wealthy want to live in a city?
Only the minority majority ones
Yes, Americans are completely incapable of enacting policy that meshes between local/state/federal level to make cities livable again. "Welfare" is a bad word to them, whereas we in the rest of the world understand that uplifting even the dumbest Black folk tends to have rippling effects.
>let me tell you about your country
NTA but hes right, treating people like animals turns them into animals. Minorities who have an education and prospects and therefore reason not to act like a subhuman are chill and trustworthy. And they don’t cost taxpayer money, they contribute.
>t. lives next to richest black-majority county in the US
I didn’t see real black trash until I went down South.
so you agree that inner city youths are animals? but are suggesting we don't treat animals like animals? Treating a bear like a human doesn't make it not a bear anon.
Unironically Black person tier
>nooo you can't heckin give advice because you're NOT ME! YOU AREN'T IN MY HECKIN' SHOES!
I am American and he is completely right. The only rebuttal you homosexuals ever have is "statistics be damned, it doesn't matter if it works for literally everyone on the entire planet except us, I don't like them, they're just chimps!"
It costs you MORE to treat them like Black folk, you stupid fricking Black person.
>gets proven wrong every time
>nooooooooooooo
Post guns.
>whereas we in the rest of the world
go on, tell us where
98% of these frickers live off the government dole, turdie. Welfare is the only reason things get this bad, it literally becomes an avenue of survival for subhuman morons. For probably four or five generations now (since LBJ)
Weird how Black folk in the rest of the first world manage to not frick up as much as yours.
t. homicide rate 4x that of even the fricking UK, the laughing stock of Europe
>Implying
A casual glance at homicide rates, assault rates, etc. doesn't exactly portray that, huh anon?
>looks at Paris
>looks at Stockholm
>looks at Berlin
Yeah those places look EXACTLY like Baltimore, the problem is non-whites.
Every American city with over half a million people has a “Black person zone” that looks just like this.
>muh red team blue team
Cities only have one color, brown.
>>muh red team blue team
>Cities only have one color, brown.
normally i agree, but nearly all large cities are deep blue
You can take the monkey out of the jungle but you can't take the jungle out of the monkey.
>is most of america a brown third world shithole
Yes, without a single shot fired btw
Places with concentrations of blacks do. Without black males aged 14-40, America would have minimal crime. This problem should be resolved by forced sterilization and euthanization of black men and a system of concubinage of fertile black women to white men.
>forced racemixing
found the israelite
>euthanization of black men
great idea
>and a system of concubinage of fertile black women to white men
okay you moronic jogger loving coomer, you want to keep the same problem going through a bunch of mutts that you purport to solve with sterilization
>do american cities actually look like this or is this some le epic trolle video
Watch "streets of philadelphia" if you think this is bad.
some cities are worse than others, and some sections are worse than others. That's a pretty shitty section in a pretty shitty city. So not all parts of an average American city will look like that, but one or two definitely will. blame extra-strict zoning laws for it.
Baltimore is like 80% black.
Looks like Philly outside the 143% homosexual downtown around Franklin's house.
>Baltimore
>do american cities actually look like this
The decaying ones do. This is Baltimore which is particularly bad (go watch The Wire). There are other cities that lost their industry that fell apart; Detroit, Gary Indiana.
I will never understand how someone can live like that.
If I was poor, living off of government assistance and had frickall to do all day long eventually I would get bored and just start cleaning and fixing shit up in my neighbourhood.
But idk maybe that is the white devil in me speaking.
>If I was poor, living off of government assistance and had frickall to do all day long eventually I would get bored and just start cleaning and fixing shit up in my neighbourhood.
Have you ever seen an indian reservation?
No, I'm a euro.
Yes, if you’re a Black criminal dope peddler.
If you’re not, then carrying a concealed weapon is strictly prohibited and zealously enforced.
Also, it’s a shithole. The good crab cakes moved out to the ‘burbs.
>Aaron earns an iron urn
>urn urn an urn urn!
In hindsight they should have built the port on the other side
I’ve sailed them, and yes, they are fast. Advance or moron clocks sometimes twice a day on the Great Circle route.
120k hp, two boilers, two HP and two LP turbines, two shafts, two screws, two rudders.
Built in KrautLand in the early 70s.
The trick is getting them to run and STAY running.
THAT is a whole other story. Steam Engineers are getting old and rare…and parts? Forget it!
Based post
Off topic post worth maybe two replies
Was on the Denebola for 2 weeks as a eng cadet. It was my first time setting foot on a real ship. The boilers are awe inspiring. I’ve been all diesel electric in my licensed career though. Would be cool to get on one of those for an activation as a steam 3ae.
My late maternal grandpa was a boiler welder for AG Weser. Very cool to see people who sailed on the ships he built.
Are the morons that ran the ship into the bridge going to be punished?
I don’t know but the International Maritime Pilots’ Association said the pilot did everything that could be done so…
The investigation is ongoing. So far it looks like the ship did almost everything possible once it experienced a power malfunction. There are still questions as to how that malfunction happened, so maybe issues prior to that. From the moment of power malfunction to impact is almost exactly five minutes, and a lot was done in those five minutes. Bridge control was informed and the bridge was closed, which was huge. Emergency vehicles & response were already on the way prior to impact. The ship managed to restart its engines in under five minutes (in fact, about three) which is pretty amazing. The maintenance record and traffic control/navigation are being examined (there's a black box recorder for ships, which has now been recovered and is being examined).
Once the ship lost power and was clearly headed at the bridge, it's possible they didn't sound emergency sirens/horns/etc. Don't know for certain if they did or didn't, or what their obligations to do so might be. That's possibly the only action that might have given the workers on the bridge a chance in the time frame involved. Even then, they would have had like 2 or 3 minutes to evacuate the bridge completely. Real slim window there.
what do you guys think about the ship being supposedly infected by malicious software of possible chinese/russian origin?
ngi, watching the clown-show that is conspiracy-twitter dive head-first into
>"its a pizzagate coverup by the same Whuhan china hackers that did 2020 and steered the ship into the pilars because pilars = chinese islam ISIS".
It only gets better when they argue with the nutters screaming about how the captain was a black trans DEI woman and the brigde has gone woke. Somehow Kevin Sorbo has joined in
So, I don't have Twitter or use PrepHole for anything more than /k/. There are actual vulnerabilities in the port by way of unaccounted computer systems, modems and antenna on ZPMC cranes used in ports all over North America. At the very least, they're using them to monitor container traffic entering and exiting the port... But when you have direct computer access to a crane and the ability to access internet through them, it is very feasible to use it for malicious activity.
t. Longshoreman who had these things pointed out to him by maintenance guys.
I do IT infrastructure for a major Eastcoast hospital. That is absolutely not the case for health care. Relative to every other industry we are VERY secure because of how valuable of a target we are. Only fintech is more locked down than we are.
...but I have heard horror stories about "industrial" IT [mal]practices.
These ships are all over the map when it comes to crew and equipment quality. I was in a ship yesterday where the ship office was running old as frick tube monitors from the early 2000s. Some are real high end and good to go. I've never been on the Dali, but she has been to our port, can't tell you anything about that ship at all... But a presumption that every ship in the Fleet is an IT fortress when they have their crews walking around in torn up jackets and threadbare overalls on most vessels is a stretch. Maybe Maersk, CMA-CGM and the other named carriers have good protections, but I'm dubious about the majority of the fly by night operations.
I have heard this exact same thing independently of (you). Wasn't this a news story just a few weeks ago?
It was, CNN covered it and I posted that business insider article earlier. This has been a suspicion on the operations and maintenance side of the industry, at the very least, for decades.
my favorite so far was them going
>whaaah false flag why didnt anybody send out an SOS reee
only for them to turn into
>whaaah, false flag, there were nobody on the bridge thats crazy reeee
when it turned out there there were coms, the road got closed etc etc
>Kevin Sorbo
American unemployment is low as frick, and yet Kevin cant find a job. Sad
ship systems (especially those concerning engine control and steering) have multiple redundancies, you are not going to hack those
I think it's moronic that something has to be some epic conspiracy, sometimes ships just crash, it's really not uncommon
Hanlon's Razor
Aaaaand it turns out this same ship hit a quay in Antwerp in 2016. So basically subhumans are running the ship. Power just shouldn’t conk out randomly it’s going to come out that there’s a shady maintenance record.
You're right lmao
https://www.newindianexpress.com/nation/2024/Mar/27/baltimore-bridge-collapse-racist-online-attacks-on-indian-crew-of-mv-dali
This homie doesn't know about harbour pilots, everybody point and laugh
The harbor pilot doesn't take control of the ship, they provide guidance to the captain.
They also aren't responsible for the condition of the ship's equipment, which is what failed and sent it into the bridge in the first place. Nine months ago the ship was fined by port inspectors in Chile for "deficiencies with its propulsion and auxiliary machinery." The crew didn't maintain the ship for shit and that's why it failed. East asian flags run shit ships with near-slave crews.
See above. The ship was recently cited for being a badly maintained piece of shit.
Back then the ship had different owners, flag, and crew. Aside from it being the physically same ship, you can't lay that on the current situation.
What I find interesting is that this thread turned into a bunch of race baiting and bullshit the moment you and I started talking about shit that was real, dude. Kind of suspicious, innit?
MV Dali, crewed by the dalit.
Yeah, but the MV Dali would have been under the control of tugs at that stage and it wouldn't be the fault of the vessel or crew.
Tugs are optional in that port and were not present.
No. All they had to do was coast straight and instead they did everything to ensure a collision.
Those rudders are 2 tons that locks in place.
Now is the time for the Chinese Dragon to liberate Taiwan.
Why not send a destroyer and blow up the other part of the bridge?
google has not yet updated their satellite imagery, so you may want to archive this picrel as an historical document of what used to be
>an historical
Do you not pronounce your "h"s?
>U.S. Sealift Ships
useless without shells to transport
How is the debris still there? Gets the engineers to clear it.
>lets park pur navy behind a gay bridge that has poo's driving giant ships next to it everyday
Harbor pilots tend to be native to the port
so it's the harbor pilot's fault the ship lost power, and not the poocrew's?
do not redeem sir
Its the poocrew's fault and not the company who did the last overhaul?
Its the overhaul crew's fault and not the owner who skimped on the cost of building it?
etc etc
So it was Quintavius or Jamal instead of Pajeet that crashed the bridge?
>let's park our ships in a harbor
Well yeah, moron.
The harbor has been there for over three centuries. The bridge was put up in the 1970s. Frickwit.
Here's my schizo theory on what happened.
>MV Dali berthed at the port.
>ZPMC manufactured dock gantry cranes have "unaccounted for communications devices" delivered with them... Modems and antenna that maintenance guys at the port do not know the purpose of. This is real, not even made up.
>Naturally, the crew want to check up on their social media when they get into port.
>Check and see if there's an open wifi network instead of waiting for the Flying Angels or Lighthouse Seafarers to hook them up with their password.
>Weird unaccounted for network is obviously the provider of the open wifi.
>Some dude in Shanghai or something is waiting for it to happen, gets a notification... Gains access to the ship's computers.
>Finds a way to frick the Dali's electrical system.
>Dudes in Shanghai access the weather network and ship tracker, or just has access to the Dali's own GPS and wind readings... Cuts power at a good moment, when a 13 knot crosswind is gusting.
>MV Dali strikes the bridge.
>Everyone is shocked, especially the buttholes in Shanghai.
There have been a lot of cyber attacks ongoing for months. The vulnerabilities in these cranes have been an open secret for years. I'm a longshoreman, not in Baltimore, and I've known about all the weird superfluous shit up in the e-house server room. US congress commissioned a report and "discovered" the same thing, that they'd have known if they just talked to us. You can actually see the cranes in Pic related in the background of the collision video. I'm not saying this is what happened, but it's too feasible to be ignored anymore. They need to tear those cranes apart ASAP and get all the Spyware and superfluous modems and antenna out of those things.
https://www.businessinsider.com/tech-found-chinese-built-cranes-us-potential-security-risk-2024-3?op=1
>This is real, not even made up.
, the crew want to check up on their social media when they get into port.
broovs?
When they're at sea for days and weeks at a time, they don't have internet or phone access. These guys will do six and eight months rotations, some of the officers are out there for a year. Of course the first thing they're looking for is internet access to get in touch with their friends and family. I work on these ships every day and at least once per month I have a crewman ask me what the wifi password is for the dock. I'm the first aid man, on the ship in my room for eight hour stints. I see what these guys do, I hang out with them, it's my job. Pic related.
Is it what happened in Baltimore? No fricking clue, but it's feasible and scary as frick.
>all that shit you wrote.
No, you Black person, I mean proofs for "unaccounted for communications devices"
I posted an article that discusses the congressional report that supports my conjecture, you illiterate monkey Black person.
lmao, the computer they use to control the ship systems also pulls double duty as a browser? They don't use their phone instead? Get real.
Is that USS Savannah in the lower left background? I thought she was scrapped.
PORT STUCK
oh mo without sea lift ships ukriane will fall
If the ships needed to get out they would be gotten out within 72 hours. Possibly even 24. Since we're not at war they can wait a bit.
This. Right now there's an intense investigation trying to collect as much perishable evidence as possible. That's the highest priority. If there was an emergency that required the U.S. Navy to get its ships out to see, they could clear enough of a section in a couple of hours to get whatever important ships out that were necessary. A few days or a couple weeks right now isn't as important as a very, very thorough investigation and recovery efforts.
>muh Blacks
Plenty of underperforming poor white trash ZIPs to go around. The fact that most poor shitty zip codes are black does not change this fact.
The word Black person used to be in the dictionary before the 1970's. It literally meant someone/something you prefer not to be around. Technically, anything can be a Black person. To me, cats are Black folk. So are mosquitos & fat chicks for that matter. Don't know why blacks took it so personally. They made the term 'Black person' all about themselves. They are discriminating against others by thinking Black person only applies to them. It's not fair & they should apologize to society & have black guilt. Bunch of dumb Black folk.
It's literally "Black," which is black in Spanish, but pronounced by southern drunk scotch-irish bastards in their mangled version of English.
I remember hearing an old phonograph somewhere on youtube of an 1800s Virginia man pronouncing it negra but sounded more like nigr(e) with the e barely inflected. Not hard to see where it came from.
It literally means black you dumb Black person.
Where's McNulty when you need him?
Uh oh...
How are we gonna get those cluster bombs and napalm to Israel to finish off their women and offspring?
>THEY GOT IT ALL BLOCKED OFF
>oh no
>our ships with giant cranes are trapped by something that needs to be recovered from the water
I know that's not an option in the US because it would give the crews real world training and cut contractors off from those sweet government contracts but I wish it could be done.
Surprised they didn't clear a span to allow ships. Bridge needs total replacement, might as well clear a shipping lane.
They will, after they get the bodies out.