Two more PATRIOTS?

From Zelenski announcement this Friday
>two more air defense systems have arrived in Ukraine. Naturally, all details should not be made public. But these are the systems capable of intercepting everything."
Is there any other air defense system capable of this?
Who donated them?
Are they going to do risky stuff with them again soon?

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Shoot and scoot with Patriots. Can it be done?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Shoot and scoot with Patriots. Can it be done?

      Yes, they've been using Patriots offensively for some time. They spend days or weeks observing Russian air power to get their patterns, down, then setup a Patriot battery one day and shoot down several at once, then run away. They're typically setup in Kherson or Orkhiv when they fire then leave long before anyone even knows where it came from.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      yes. it was only ever a meme that they were static

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      IIRC the german variant is mobile enough for this and it was already used in such capacity, hence the pidor whine about plane and helicopter losses.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The German variant is pictured in the OP. It’s a bit quicker on the march order and emplacement because the prime mover stays connected with the launch station. The US variant has a separate flatbed for the launcher and hemmet bobtail for the prime mover.

        Can patriot be used in a shoot and scoot manner? Of course. There are systems better suited for it, but you work with what you get.

        A minimum engagement package would need five vehicles; the radar, control station, the power plant and two launchers. You can leave the antenna mast group at home unless you’re trying to share data with other batteries. You’ll probably also want an extra two vehicles for convoy security and one more for the advance party (RSOP).

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Shoot and scoot with Patriots. Can it be done?

      Yes, they've been using Patriots offensively for some time. They spend days or weeks observing Russian air power to get their patterns, down, then setup a Patriot battery one day and shoot down several at once, then run away. They're typically setup in Kherson or Orkhiv when they fire then leave long before anyone even knows where it came from.

      fighterbomber claims they've been putting it on a train, based if true

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That sounds like bullshit but holy shit I hope it Isn't

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous
          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Would this work well against counter battery if they can't hit you precisely enough?

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              no, nothing changes for counter battery

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yes but not to the same level as HIMARs. They're really meant to camp out near an air base or FOB, shooting everything that comes near.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I do it all the time in WG:RD

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Is there any other air defense system capable of this?
    Yes. S400

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Genuine question, can s400 intercept kinzhal?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Brother must never fight brother
        Cousin must never fight cousin
        For all that is good and holy on God’s Russian Mir ukraine please lay down your arms and surrender this immoral resistance to denazification

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >We must resist Nazifiction
          >By surrendering to a Nazi

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous
        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >all that is good and holy on God’s Russian Mir
          So nothing.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He said air defense, no meme weapon that does not work and does a U turn and blows up

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/b7ImtGB.jpg

        >Is there any other air defense system capable of this?
        Yes. S400

        S-400's true power is only known to a select few who are privileged to wield it.

        Unfortunately for Russia that includes a member of NATO that actively supports Ukraine.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It could have been fun...
          Putin needs to piss off ErDOGan enough to make it real.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Well, I guess they're not really in need of those F-35s after all. Let's sell some more to Greece instead.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Didn't the Greeks just get promised F-35s as well? That's really gotta sting.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes 40 of them

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Damn that's enough to give them aerial supremacy over Turkey.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Maybe we'll see how those Turkish S400s do against an F-35.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm going to be bold and predict that they will be dogshit against the F-35

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        S300/S400 do work pretty good, it's just that, like with everything soviet/russian, the amount of lies and fake shit is unreal.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >s400

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You need to update it with russian AD destroying RuAF

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      you're not wrong, I think S400 has killed about as many Russians as Patriot
      even the machine spirits desire TZD

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I know it's >Nexta but would be really funny if true

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This came up last year but they said no at the time, I wouldn't expect them to change their mind unless the US gave them something.
        F-35s would be the obvious choice. Get what they lost in buying the S400s.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        AIEEEEEEE US-SAMA PLEASE FORGIVE US AND LET US BUY F-35!!!

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous
  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Who donated them?
    The German license plates would make me think Germany did.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      oh sorry I used a random google search picture. There are no details or pictures about these "two more air defense systems received". They are keeping it secret for some reason.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Oh interesting. Maybe Japan?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          uhm..., japan is autistic enough to ask them to keep it privately. They use a different configuration so it could be easy to spot if someone snatch a pic

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I don't think the Japanese would risk upsetting the drunken neighbor next door, specially over the issue with the Kuril island.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I actually think the opposite. There is a very significant portion of the Japanese government that wants to seriously rearm because of Chinese revanchism and American urging.
              Russia getting aggressive over some mostly worthless islands and aggressively saber rattling with be a wonderful gift that would hand that faction a ton of political capital.

              Handing over something just to piss the Russians off and provoke a response would, from the perspective of the militant faction in the government, be a smooth move.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Anybody who uses the Russian name for the Northern territories and Chishima is implying that the Russian position is correct and should be assumed to be a Russian agent.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I agree with this anon

              I actually think the opposite. There is a very significant portion of the Japanese government that wants to seriously rearm because of Chinese revanchism and American urging.
              Russia getting aggressive over some mostly worthless islands and aggressively saber rattling with be a wonderful gift that would hand that faction a ton of political capital.

              Handing over something just to piss the Russians off and provoke a response would, from the perspective of the militant faction in the government, be a smooth move.

              and to add to that fact I think Japan might be doing some calculus in its head right now about how if Russia isn’t squarely beaten in Ukraine they might turn to the East and try to be a little bit more bombastic and militarize the Islands and possibly even latch onto China’s revanchism and attempt to expand their influence in the region via military means if a war breaks out over Taiwan.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Russia is not even remotely able to be a danger for the Japanese navy.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Japan, as a manufacturing giant, bearing in mind Russia's theft of the islands, could be doing more to help Ukraine.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                As

                >Who donated them?
                I'm gonna say Greece. Given Brandon's recent shenanigans, it wouldn't surprise me if they got offered newer systems to replace them. They have Six batteries and aren't a recent adopter.
                Japan is an interesting idea, but they've only very recently warmed up to the idea of exporting military equipment and It's a sensitive issue over there so I doubt it. I hope a policy change happens though, Japan has a decent amount of very good equipment.

                said, Japan has a lot of sociopolitical issues that really prevent lethal aid from happening. They're warming up to it though, they started exporting Mitsubishi-produced patriot missiles to the US, so US-produced missiles could go to Ukraine, but It will take time and a lot of political capital before we start seeing direct donations.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                ,,,,,,,,,,,,

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        French or Australian then. The only countries that obsessed with secrecy over the plain banal.

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I hope they kill a lot of Russians and destroy many irreplaceable airframes.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Is there any other air defense system capable of this?
    Yes, SAMP/T
    >Who donated them?
    If it's SAMP/T, then Italy/France or collectively EU.
    >Are they going to do risky stuff with them again soon?
    They probably will use them to protect their airfields.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      probably Patriot, probably German, a couple more were promised for winter

      the SAMP/Ts already reached and are operating

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >>two more air defense systems have arrived in Ukraine. Naturally, all details should not be made public. But these are the systems capable of intercepting everything."
    They've taken receipt of a Russian oil refinery and a Slava-class cruiser

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    10 years, just like we fought South Korea.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      wish we fought South Korea now, then we could remove all Korea posters. Or wait, ASL is starting end of this month. Afterwards

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    I wouldn't worry about it, unless you live in northwestern China

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    People still don't get it. The whole 'running out of ammo' & Western aid 'drying up' is such a fairy tale. It's like people think it's not possible to get Ukraine weapons just because it's not announced or on paper. Guarantee Ukraine is getting a constant flow of all the shit they need with no problem, to the point where every shipment/delivery arrives perfectly on time in waves. Just imagine being a Russian in Ukraine, hearing that that the Ukranians are running low on ammo/aid for the last 3-4 months, boosting the Russians morale & motivation, only to get obliterated every single meat wave with combined arms by Ukraine. Although the DoD & Pentagon have 'procedures' when it comes to military aid, in reality they can do whatever the frick they want.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Anyone that has spoken with people actually fighting knows that the main issue is artillery shells supply and that isn't coming in remotely sufficent amounts.
      They get around 30% of they really need.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Manufacturing is still ramping up, older contracts are likely fulfilled on a fifo basis. Have a little patience

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Anyone that has spoken with people actually fighting knows
        And that's you right?

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Never? Either Ukraine wins and enters NATO as a US protectorate and a means of projecting power in Eastern Europe, or it loses and collapses completely. Russia can't manufacture NATO equipment, they can't reverse engineer it, I'm honestly starting to question whether they can even operate it.

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    ?
    You vatniks are the stupidest Black folk on the planet. US and Ukraine will have an ironclad relationship after this war since Ukraine will basically owe its statehood to the US. The only possibly of Ukraine trading angry words with someone to the West of them will be with Hungary and that’s because Orban isn’t the brightest bulb in the box and has made some revanchist remarks.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >>Us will have ironclad relationship with Ukraine after this

      It depends on the outcome.
      South Vietnam and pro american afghan government had iron clad relationships with the US.
      Lon Nol's democratic Cambodia too.
      All received boatloads of military aid from the US and even air support but that means jack shit if after a decade the US gets tired of providing support and the government collapses or gets replaced.

      Even if the Russians are embarrassingly ineffective in this war if Ukraine gets no foreing support in a couple of years they would find themselves in a terrible situation as they run out of air defence and the Russians would be able to bomb them with near impunity unlike now that they can't do much without being shot down.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >muh tired of supporting
        that's obsolete, find a new agenda already

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Honestly the whole Russian strategy is based on that. Can't get a new agenda if the only route to success depends on the US getting tired of supporting Ukraine.
          And let's be honest if this thing turns into a decade long war of attrition the likelihood of some president to decide to force a peace deal is unfortunately high.
          Which is why Ukraine needs to actually get some victories, to show that they can end the war with a victory, to get more support as already there are far too many politicians calling for it.

          Against Russia however is the war cost which is slowly crippling the Russian economy as they need to either increase taxes, devalue the ruble, reduce spending or borrow at extortionate interest rates from china. However Russian are very sheepish and are still unlikely to get rid of Putin even if he is effectively ruining the economic future of the nation as the Chinese loans will take decades to pay off and printing rubles is just making everyone poorer. However doing a bit of all of the above they can kick the can down the road enough that Russians will feel the economic pain slowly enough that like the frog in the slowly boiling water put they are unlikely to do anything about it till it's too late.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Honestly the whole Russian strategy is based on that
            Well, nobody doubted they're moronic.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >slowly but surely destroying your greatest enemy since 1945
            >somehow bad
            They can't be this moronic, right?

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              They're politicians. They are simultaneously cunning and moronic.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              You should ask US congress that. This whole shitshow is because of what happened in Afghanistan and to a lesser extent, South Vietnam.

              The Russians and the communists know they can't fight the US in battle so they attack through a much easier route, which is American domestic politics.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                communists beat the US in Vietnam
                American domestic politics needlessly prolonged the war because Nixon wanted to win an election.
                https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/nixon-prolonged-vietnam-war-for-political-gainand-johnson-knew-about-it-newly-unclassified-tapes-suggest-3595441/

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                > communists beat the US in Vietnam
                Lol. Nah. It truly was American domestic politics that lost the US the war. Case in point, the Tet offensive. Militarily the Tet offensive was an utter failure for the NVA and Vietcong, it destroyed the Vietcong as a fighting force and forced the NVA into battles that they were destined to lose badly, but the optics of the whole nation of South Vietnam erupting in flames was enough to galvanize the American population against the war, especially since the economy wasn’t doing so hot and shit clearly was going to be hot and prolonged unlike the Korean War. Both the strategies of North Vietnam and the Taliban were pretty similar, just keep dying until the US considers it too much of a hassle to justify continually killing you to the American public.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                no, it was not American domestic politics that made it impossible to cross into North Vietnam.
                it's impossible to defeat North Vietnam while not invading North Vietnam.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Both the strategies of North Vietnam and the Taliban were pretty similar
                at most Taliban is like Viet Cong -- both insurgents. Viet Cong is South Vietnamese.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Viet Cong is South Vietnamese.

                Mkay moron

                >It was later conceded by the modern Vietnamese communist leadership that the movement was actually under the North Vietnamese political and military leadership

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                still makes Viet Cong South Vietnamese.
                North Vietnam was a regular state with a conventional army. no parallels to Taliban.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >if

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Ukraine has gotten a pittance of NATO hand me downs and will probably join if they win

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Ukraine
      >win
      That's not happening, be realistic.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >That's not happening, be realistic.

        sure it happens Ukraine just won 54 billion euros hahaha

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Is there any other air defense system capable of this?
    Mamba/SAMP-T.

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Which ones, PAC-2 or PAC-3?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The launchers can fire anything at this point. That il76 was brought down with fricking “Standard” era Patriot missiles from like 82 so I assume we’ve given them some of everything in terms of ammo

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Who donated them?
    either America or Germany

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why do the trucks need to be jacked up by those hydraulics? Is it really such a bad thing if the truck vibrates's by a few cm during launch??

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Truck could tip over when they swing the missile launcher to the side otherwise, and the outriggers level it out so the mechanism isn't fighting uphill/downhill when it rotates.

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Gee Zelensky, how come biden let's you have two patriots

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >ARGHUABLEHGPJHEJ TOTAL ZIGGER DEATH

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Looks like a lot more planes are falling out of the sky this year lol. Ziggers are going to really cry.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Mate in one holy frickioli

  19. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Who donated them?
    I'm gonna say Greece. Given Brandon's recent shenanigans, it wouldn't surprise me if they got offered newer systems to replace them. They have Six batteries and aren't a recent adopter.
    Japan is an interesting idea, but they've only very recently warmed up to the idea of exporting military equipment and It's a sensitive issue over there so I doubt it. I hope a policy change happens though, Japan has a decent amount of very good equipment.

  20. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Since the system wasn't specified I guess it's also possible that Ukraine received more SAMP/T's but impossible to say.

  21. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >But these are the systems capable of intercepting everything."
    They failed to protect Saudi oil fields and the Russians have already blown up Patriots in Kiev and Kherson with Khinzals

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >the Russians have already blown up Patriots in Kiev and Kherson with Khinzals

      may we see them?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      don't forget the twenty Boris Johnsons they also took out

  22. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >these are the systems capable of intercepting everything

  23. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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