Turkey's new Altay tank weighs 72 tons and is bigger than the Merkava. They're adding even more armor and a roof autocannon too as they've determined that in the age of drones, up armoring still pays dividends.
Turkey's new Altay tank weighs 72 tons and is bigger than the Merkava.
Needs a side skirt.
Also, if you want to avoid being disabled by a drone, the engine is the area you should up armour.
Ukrainian fpv's always disable a tank by hitting the engine first. Then, finish it off while its immobile.
That's a pic of the hull without any add on stuff or combat armor installed. This is what they look like in use.
How do you know they're looking to not be disabled? A lot of armor on a tank isn't to protect the tank, but specifically the crew if the tank is about to be hit by something that armor won't protect against. You can't armor everything. Real protection against top attack is basically going to have to be APS.
Maybe they're putting all that armor on the roof, the part that's actually getting hit
It's just another M60 body kit right?
Great love me some Patton
It's a German/Amercan/Israeli inspired hull but bigger and with a turret that uses tech from the K2. It was originally going to have a German engine and transmissions for the first 250 units as the Turks develop their own BATU V12 and diesel electric drive trains for subsequent batches, however, the Germans cancelled the contract because the Turks intervened in Syria and were "aggressively aiding" Ukraine in the months leading up to the Russo-Ukraine war. They are now going to fit it with Korean engines and transmissions for the first 250 units which are now starting production, but will get the Turk drivetrains over the next few years. IIRC, they should have just gone for the 1500hp version of the AVDS for the first 250 units since they already have a license to build them for their M60 fleet. Funny enough they are actually planning to use a very advanced electrified variant of the old cross drive transmission for subsequent batches.
it looks good no cap
>supposed to be based on the K2, which is light weight as hell for a modern tank
>now weighs as much as a Leopard 2a7+ or a M1A2 SEP
Whack
K2 is meant for fighting in mountainous terrain only.
Eastern, Central and most of southern Turkey is pretty mountainous, tho
K2s light weight and lack of armor is a major flaw.
The Altay is an independent Turkish design. It's much heavier and has a totally different hull and turret with a manual loade operated a semi-auto loader who also has a mortar. The Altay was built around American and Israeli tank doctrine which the Turks found worked best after using American, German, and Israeli stuff and also testing British and Ukrainian tanks. The original Altay concept was basically Merkava/M60 hybrid with British style armor. The Turks only ended up going with Korean parts after they split from German and Israeli contractors over political disagreements.
parts yes later, but the initial design support and technological transfer for that already started even before the Germans and Israelis blocked parts.
I've never heard of that. It was going to be tech transfer from Germany for the gun, powerpack and armor consultancy. Korea came in later because their parts were better and the Koreans weren't moronic and autistic like the Germans.
thats just plain wrong, the tank was never supposed to have tech transfer initially. It was supposed to be 100% turk homegrown product.
the german parts, transmission and powerpack, were only supposed to be a temp solution, till they got their own shit running. the initially design phase was helped by the Koreans and the powerpack/transmission from Korea was only adopted, because they got embargoed by the Germans for Syria and they failed to produce their domestic parts in a good time.
Yeah they were so much better that Korea used a german powerpack for their own tanks kek
>it is not
That Picture which you published if from an Officer of Turkish Armed Forces made a Design on it´s own what could be a Turkish Tank look like.
Original Altay Design is the initial K2 which was considered else for the ROK but after they got some T-80s for some former Soviet Loans they adopted Autoloader and changed their design since their opponent is no one else then North Korea and in addition to that China.
They don´t need such a Heavy Armoured Tank for their own Theatre meanwhile Turkey was looking for a Design similar to Leopard 2A6.
Stop being a lying shill for Korean stuff. It makes people not respect Korea. The Altay didn't have Koreans parts in mind when it was conceptualized.
>Designer is of Korean origin
>Chassis similar to currently used K2
>Engine still MTU or derriative
initial design based on K1 Tank which is nothing else then a copy of XM-1 Tank Prototype of Abrams Tank which was developed from MBT-70 Project again a American-German Technology.
>>now weighs
Dry zones are the best for very heavy tanks. If you can afford the maintenance...
>see british tanks during cold war
Being able to aim in a hull down position easily doesn't make it only suitable for certain terrains. For example, Challenger 2 was the tank it was the most influenced by during the development of K2.
>For example, Challenger 2 was the tank it was the most influenced by during the development of K2.
In what way?
High emphasis on operating in dug in positions to stand against numerically superior enemies. Britbong autism mostly.
Every Western tank has done that since the late 70s.
Apparently the designers went down to Bovington, UK to learn about things that are needed in designing a tank.
lmao nah. K2 is meant for mountainous terrain in all ways. The armor is really just frontal. It has an arch firing missile so it can attack from behind a hill. It has one less road wheel which is important for suspension reasons when scooting over rough terrain quickly.
The K2 is optimized to fight in the country it originates from and explicitly excludes features that probably won't help in Korean War 2.
>The armor is really just frontal.
Side armour is less protected than the front in all types of mbts. Also, K2 was built as a modular system so the additional armours can be added with ease.
>It has an arch firing missile so it can attack from behind a hill.
By missile you mean the KSTAM? It got canned long ago. K2 in the current state doesn't even have a fuze setter, so they had to borrow one from NAMMO when testing.
>It has one less road wheel which is important for suspension reasons when scooting over rough terrain quickly.
Both Challenger 2 and Merkava Mk4, the heaviest tanks in the world have only got 6 road wheels. Does it make them specific to use in mountainous terrains?
>The K2 is optimized to fight in the country it originates from and explicitly excludes features that probably won't help in Korean War 2.
K2 is developed with exports in mind at the onset, and it clearly got its motives from various modern western tanks like K1, Abrams, Type 90, Leclerc, Challenger 2, Stridsvagn 103, etc.
nothing but us trees here
Bigger tanks are the future
Are they done with the M60? Don't they also have a fleet of Leo2s
>start designing a tank in 2008
>people think it's design is influenced by 2022
That isn't how design works.
Seems kinda moronic. Countermeasures like a dronebuster can deal with drones.
Having soft kill and hard kill systems together is never going to be a bad thing. The tank already weighs a shitload, might as well sacrifice the extra ton.
So this is what the Royal wienerroach looks like.
>Pzkfw VII Ausf. 2025 Königsröchen
>muh roof armor
That's fine and dandy if the enemy has NLAW's.
But Turkshit's enemies don't have NLAWS's. And Alibaba drones can't really pen shit.
So what about the piss easy to pen side armor that dooms every modern tank?
>So what about the piss easy to pen side armor that dooms every modern tank?
That side armor looks thick as hell to me
Anyone else seeing a Panzer 4 with a massive body kit?