Try to find a better weapon for SHTF or anti government resistance than a good old .22.
> ammo is plentiful and cheap
> can carry hundreds of rounds and they weigh almost nothing
> accurate, low recoil, deadly in urban enviroments and silent even with an improvised supressor
Bob Joe from Appalachia with his grandpa's .22 and shorts is a better survivalist than all special forces larpers with 10K in tacticool gear.
Scopes too high on that rifle its not going to reach out faithfully past 150 metres
Big fail should have bought a nato rifle old money
The scope isn't to shoot far, its to shoot small things at 50-150m. The HoB is a bit extreme because he has the iron sight on, but its nothing that a good zero won't fix.
Yup. It's the only scope I had on hand it's just a basic hunting scope but it can go up to 9x magnification and nobody is going to shoot a .22 past 200M anyway.
Why the frick not I pick clays off with irons at 100 200 is easily achievable with a scoped 22 and a small adjustment
In my prime I could shoot dimes at 100 yds with fricking peep sights.
That scope is an abortion
My backyard is exactly 200M and I was shooting at the bottom of soda can yesterday... That's accurate enough I reckon.
And when you adjust up its going to be way over so thats your best mark
Its not usable
that's not correct. 200 yards/meters is pretty standard for sighting in a rifle. the mid range rise isn't much because the velocity is high so you aren't aiming very high at 200 above the line of sight so it's not a lot of difference. 200 meters is a fine sighting distance for a .22 LR
You want to sight in a rifle a the range you intend to shoot,
There is no standard in hunting, other than the middle of the distance you expect to encounter game.
For deer, 200 is a good number.
For target shooting you want to sight in at the exact range the target is placed.
The frick you talking about? the bullet drop for a .22 at 200 yards is about 4 feet.
There are better tools to shoot past 150-200 meters than a .22 rifle anyway, you're getting about what you should expect from one.
and I blew one half apart with a 12 guage from about 4 meters and the bastard crawled into a bush 12 meters away and died, there were bone fragments and hair covered meat chunks scattered everywhere and a trail of coonblood.
Had to powerwash that stuff off the pavement. He dragged half of his intestines dangling a foot outside of his gut to where he died. Raccoons are just tough bastards.
fudd
I have a scope on .22 with a BDC out to 200 yards. Seems practical enough for shooting minute of man.
>Scopes too high on that rifle its not going to reach out faithfully past 150 metres
Shows he has no idea what he is talking about. What are Weaver high rise rings that allow for iron sights at short ranges. ?
The problem with the .22 at long ranges (just like the .223) is that the tiny bullet with low sectional density rapidly gives up velocity to air resistance, gets blown around by wind etc. That being said .22 is a great survival round. Everyone should have at least two .22 rifles and pistols.
yea. great varmint caliber.
no argue there.
but to stop an advancing intruder? you better be a DAMN good shot
thats cause Black folk can buy a .22 even after they cant buy a "real gun"
>thats cause Black folk can buy a .22 even after they cant buy a "real gun"
That's not how it works. If that were true, you'd see more blackpowder revolvers than .22s killing people.
>thats cause Black folk can buy a .22 even after they cant buy a "real gun"
Frick off glowie. Any real person knows that a Black person steals what he can't buy. Purchasing on a budget is a white man's thing
>implying Black folk buy guns from FFLs and not from Tyrell up the block
have a nice day, fedpig
truthfully, I think it's not going to be long before everyone is doing this, because of proliferation and glowhomietry. except instead of traquandrius, they'll be buying them from Ted, who was really good with computers back in highschool.
>What are Weaver high rise rings that allow for iron sights at short ranges. ?
Those are ONLY for Remington 7400 Jam-o-matics that gays up in New England hunt with.
Height over bore dipshit. You compensate for it close in. Depending on your zero it can line up at 100 yards...whatever you want I guess. Also, Rossi rs22 is very similar and about 1/3 the price if youre on a serious budget.
Noguns moron confirmed. “Scope too high” is a nonsensical argument that relies on fantasy. Learn physics/ballistics or gtfo.
22 is ok, just ok. Ammo can be finicky, highly anemic, unreliable at long range. The cartridge itself does not perform well through light barriers like glass or drywall. Just get 556 because that’s what literally everyone has, and there’s millions upon millions of rounds in circulation.
> making metal go very fast in a certain direction with inferior human aim
today we can cook hordes of Black folk alive with luneberg microwave technology
Your scope is mounted way to high. Parallax equals inaccuracy.
I don't have the beaver tail mounts. Besides, I'm just experimenting with the scope rn. I'll take it to a competition next week we will shoot metal up to 100M and I'll see how it goes.
You do realize that past 200M with a .22 is basically hit or miss right? Even a fart can pull the point of impact 5cm away.
ammo is too expensive and hard to find
Well you could use long rifle rounds if they fit in that
Should be good for 250 max
Just make sure it’s dead nuts on at 100 m then.
Trust me, my 10/22 came with high mounts, and shitty ones that came loose due to cycling of the bolt. I got new high quality low profile mounts and I can deliver 50 rounds through a 1 inch hole at 50 yds every day of the week on a bench rest. The new mounts have transverse locking bar on a rail so they never slip.
> The new mounts have transverse locking bar on a rail
Mine too the scope is pretty solid imo. So far I've only rough zeroed it with a boresighter since I can't technically shoot in my backyard with a real gun kek. Once I take it to the range next week I'll see how accurate it is.
Yup. I bough a box of CCI stingers and afaik they are pretty fricking strong but I haven't tried them yet.
Another tip for the 10/22 is to get the “enhanced” trigger from Ruger. Especially if you tend to jerk the trigger. It REALLY improved my shooting.
>on a bench rest.
learn to shoot, idiot
>meters
Speak American, Black person
150 m is further than yards by a lot
>m
Speak American, Black person.
10% is a lot?
Depends if you have a good hold over game or not doesn't it
Depends how big your target zone is.
Which depends on whether you’re hunting or target shooting.
1 yard is around 0.9 m
>m
Speak American, Black person
>different zero if its not a dedicated CMMG upper
150 yards is something like 160 meters. I just call them the same unit.
it's the other way around. 1 yard = 0.9 meters
My uncle shot a guy in the head with a .22 point blank. It broke the guys skull but he survived.
would he have survived without professional medical care?
Did your uncle get charged?
Yeah, .22 doesn't do well against fat guys either. Just a flesh wound.
20 flesh wounds in 10 seconds starts to sting.
I regret selling my 2 m1 carbines so bad bros.
Are you stoobid? You never sell guns.
Based.
Don't get me wrong, I would def want an AR or an AK but a .22 is nothing to sneeze at like people say if it were up to me ppl would sell RPGs with thermobaric rounds in the supermarket.
I always thought of getting another one. But I ha e to many firearms. But you are right.
My man
Based. Wish I had one but I’m comfy with my Mini 14 regardless
audie murphy approved Black person gun
Ha! I have been thinking about Audie Murphy so much lately! I can’t believe I saw someone mention him on here just now. I stopped taking Ambien last week and it was pretty brutal this time around and thinking about how if Audie Murphy could kick his barbiturate sleeping pill habit, then I could too. Dude is so based he’s still motivating people to do what they need to do even ~50 years after his death.
Good news, you can through binaural beats and meditation if you need reinforcement.
Thanks for the tips. I’m at the tail end of it right now so the worst of it all is behind me, so I’m gonna be ok.
My father had one of those. Nice rifle. I used to shoot it all the time. Hard to find ammo for it, though.
Based m1 carbine. They are so light to carry too.
Is there a single police or military force in the world that issues .22 rifles to its members? Okay then… shut the frick up Brazil.
Are you a police officer or a soldier with the backing of an entire defense budget or just a wagie trying to make the best with what money he has?
Israel moron.
Yes. Israel uses 10/22 rifles to shoot the knees, shins and feet of protesters to help break up protests.
https://laststandonzombieisland.com/2015/09/29/the-plinker-went-to-war-the-idfs-ruger-1022/
The Late Great gunwriter Jeff Quinn, when talking about .22 and small CF pistol calibers, once said something to the effect of, "when you start poking holes in people, they tend to leave you alone.!"
Great argument against using a 22 for shtf/self defense. Israel uses them as less lethal.
Israel shoots for the lower legs, and uses suppressors and subsonics. Sure it’s a human rights violation but not as much as actually killing people.
Isrealis are subhuman animals. I hope they get what's coming to them in my lifetime. I want to thumbs up that video.
>Is there a single police or military force in the world that issues .22 rifles
5.56 is a .22 cal bullet. So pretty much all of them.
Everyone is arguing, the point is 22 is fun cheap and it will kill.
Bullets of any caliber in the right place will kill. It's just a matter of a.) how quickly they will kill and b.) where you put them.
.22lr is a dog shit cartridge for self defense because, unless you are putting a bullet right into some Black person's occiput from up close cartel style, there is just too much margin for error. Very high chance of an anemic bullet like that deviating or getting stuck upon hitting bone.
Either way, it won't kill or incapacitate in a useful amount of time, whereas the Black person magdumping you with literally anything slightly stronger will.
Why though? To exponentially increase your gas mileage?
22's are for shooting bunnies and wild grous in the bush. And some target practice. Besides that small game target practice unless you're a Hitman shooting somebody in the forehead point blank it's pretty fricking useless
Bro.. it's a .22 not a bb gun
> if they fit in that
huh? It's a .22 lr rifle not a .22 short.
oh okay then use the magnum rounds
You gays, will you stop advocating rimfire for a real caliber? are you government agents or you just fricking pussies?
I literally said that if it were up to me people would be able to buy RPGs in the supermarket. I'm just not a tactitard.
Thx anon. Bought it in the US believe it or not.. I went to Cape Canaveral to see the rockterinoes and ended up stopping at a bass pro shops to take a piss and bought it.
>leaf fed scared of .22
I'm guessing that's what most of you will be catching in the brain when the door to door firearms confiscations start soon. Don't be so scared you pussy, it's not even a "real" caliber.
gl penetrating ballistic facemasks with your .22
My .22 air rifle can penetrate a skull.
I’ve seen hogs killed on YouTube with a game .22.
Hard to believe, but it was real, head shot at close range.
Gamo! Stupid spell check! Frick!
Yeah man, the gammo x3 .22 is a sick air rifle.
Let me shoot you multiple times in the chest with my 10/22. I challenge you to say it's useless afterwards, or be able to say or think anything at all. moron.
I was reading a book about SEALs in Vietnam, and the SEAL had one of those .22 hush puppy pistols on him and some VC all of a sudden was right in front of him. He pumped the mag into the guy’s chest and the guy didn’t even go down. He just immediately returned fire.
The I-Hate-Mondays girl used a .22 and did some serious killing with it. OBLIGATORY DISAVOWAL: DO NOT BREAK THE LAW, KIDS. MURDER IS WRONG.
what phenotype is this?
A real American?
.22 rifle is nice, but you can get many of the benefits of a .22 rifle in a .22 handgun and then get a 5.56/308/7.62x39 rifle(thinking AR AK SKS etc) for big game hunting or man to man combat. quite frankly the AK should be the first and last stop for the majority of shtf applications
The thing is that buying an AK will get you on a gubarmint list for bad goys and if you use the rifle everybody will hear it making you a target. I agree that it's way more effective for combat.
I own a .22 airgun and I've shot a pig with it killed it instantly. Granted, it was point blank bc I didn't want to make the pig suffer but still. Having said that, the actual 22 lr still better but air guns are def a must have.
kek true
There's a video of a guy killing a cow with an rifle, right to the skull and it drops instantly.
Air rifles are good for SHTF. You can just fill them with a handpump and shoot near infinite cheap pellets. A lot of people defended their homes against the Black person looter hordes of the 2010 earthquake and the 2019 riots here in Chile with air rifles.
22 is fun for practice and just shooting. When I go camping I take a my old browning 22 sa and a px4 cal. 40. I don't hunt, but I've had a couple of run in with wild life luckily they always frick off.
.22 air rifle. Ammos even cheaper and it's quiet. Mine throws .22 out at 1300fps as fast as low grade .22 ammo.
.22 kills more people in the US than all other cartridges combined every year. It's all you need.
Never met a /k/ glowBlack person willing to let me shoot him just once with one, despite their tough talk.
Hit men use the .22 all the time.
Yea .22 mag silenced is some hit man shit.
Some gun sperg tell me a good scope for a ruger precision rimfire. I want to take it out to at least 300 yards and my primary arms 22 scope bdc only goes to 200.
Your target can survive 3 bullets to the head, a thick sweater would act as body armor.
I've personally seen a crackhead that tanked 19 shots of 9mm to the torso when in med school. He collapsed nearly 1km away from where he was shot and died of blood loss. Stopping power is a myth. If he can survive 3 shots to the head just shoot him one more time and the coat thing is bullshit .22 will go through a car door it can go through a jacket.
A 9mm is also a small round. I don't know much about guns but I used to shoot cans with a 22 as a kid and there's no way you can say with a straight face that the stopping power of a 7.62 or even a 5.56 round compared to a .22 doesn't matter.
Stopping power is a myth and as far as statistics go all handgun rounds are pretty useless in sudden incapacitation. The number one thing for stopping a man in his tracks is shot placement you need to either destroy the brain or disable the support structures in the body like the spine or the hips. Fail to do that and the other guy will only stop through blood loss making him pass out.
Pistols are shit. Velocity kills.
Yup. Hydrostatic shock
.22 will do a skull just fine you dumb nogunz CSIS homosexual jeet.
22lr in carbine barrel are not joke, depending on load, regular supersonic or high speed 30 smth grains, they are in 32acp to 380acp power range, while in a pistol they are like half the power of a 32acp so like a 25acp, and from this the reputation of being toysh.
This.
People underestimate .22 ballistics because all they know is .22 pistols. A .22 rifle is far more powerful. Its not anywhere near centerfire territory, but getting shot in the chest or in the head with a .22 rifle is going to ruin your day.
Yea it's all about speed and stopping power. Yea a 40 grain .22lr might not leave the body but it when though the chest and Hart so wtf does it matter.
>.22 in a pistol
If you can get them to fire reliably
.22 is rimfire
correct. If you plan to resist against government forces, firearms won't do the job. Build some improvised explosives instead
I understood that point. folks who own firearms and say that the gov't should put limits on what you can own are disgusting!
>revolver
Dunno haven't exp it yet
Every running bolt action is just historical to me.
why you would choose anything slower than a selector witch?
Bolt guns are usually a lot better for subsonic ammo or while using suppressors, in some cases reciprocation of the blowback action can be louder than the actual gun shot. Not to mention reliability.
>subsonic
I know the action can be quite load. I noticed the reciprocation can be quite loud when I shot this suppressed AR in .300blk from a friend. however you can buy clamp ons and they'll turn it into a bolt action. but that's only relevant if you wanna be an assassin
>reliability
Can be a point but only if you don't take care of your guns/ain't have access to spare parts
Sorry, by reliability I didn't mean the reliability of the gun itself. But how reliable it is with subsonic loadings. Practically every autoloader manufactured today is going to be more reliable with hypersonic ammunition. But a bolt gun doesn't care. It will be reliable with anything that feeds correctly (which depends on cartridge dimensions and projectile geometry, not velocity).
Fair enough. Did you exp failure with autoloaders after prolonged usage? Sub sonic is quite rare here to begin with
Well I for once think your fear is completely justified. They're coming for our stuff, hombre
+More knowledge can't be the wrong path
Every 200 rounds or so we just spray CLP or ballistol into the actions and they keep running. I usually go thousands of rounds without cleaning the barrels, just field, strip wipe off the soot and grime then lubricate. Eventually leading builds up and it is a good idea to clean the barrel.
I think I'm extremely paranoid, I buy extra springs and barrels among other things. I also have cnc and 3d files just in case. You can make grease guns or stens with simple springs and scraps.
>If you can get them to fire reliably
I dunno what brand of ammo/rifle you're using, but my shitty canadian savage .22 hasn't missed a beat in the thousands of rounds I've put through it. I do have to clean it every 500 or so rounds though or else the action becomes sluggish.
agreed. 22lr is the way. love the old ruger 1022 i got left. going to get another new one eventually. going to get a lel kek 22 cp33 I think.
> Yes goyims, just use .22 guns to fight the government, you'll totally win.
Leg meta all the way. My go to is gonna be buck shot to the knee caps and my .22s
If its a marlin semi-auto, or a bolt action, yes. If its a 10/22 its trash.
Your scope is all moronic.
Oh, bullshit. Marlin iIs a good gun, but you can mod the 10/22 with many after market stuff that makes it great.
10/22s are pieces of shit- I own several .22 rifles including one of these. You can spend another $500 on them to make them reasonably accurate, but for the money you can buy much better .22 rifles. Give me a marlin 39a, and older remington, CZ, or savage bolt, even a Henry lever- they are all plenty capable of headshots on squirrels, or knocking over a silhouette target, a 10/22 is not.
It's a CBC/Magtech 7022 it's better than a Ruger 10/22 tha tfor some reason is expensive af here.
The stock trigger is a legit 10/10 for me.
I'll share mine
Grandpa pass away and leave you that? Sweet lil' Browning.
A man of great taste, it was actually my great grandfathers, then my grandfathers and now mine. Mint condition. The wood needs a varnish tho.
NO,.don't mess with it, it's perfect. Jealous, all my Grandfathers gave me was bad genes..
I wish I could share more with out doxing myself. I have some pretty awesome shit.
> varnish
Nah man, leave it original the patina adds character.
I shot 1.7 MoA in my backyard and the scope is not even properly zeroed.
If it's that old, is it a dedicated .22 short?
If so, worth big money.
No this isn't a short it's 22lr, if I'm not wrong in was bought in the early 50s. Belgium made.
Whatever it's chambered for, it's a dandy.
Yeah it's a fun little rifle to shot. Don't even need ear protection.
pretty checkering
Thanks anon
>best
.308 scoped rifle.
Luvs muh Tikka.
Israel uses them, so you know they're good.
They use rubber bullets for those, but they'll go for headshots which can crack your skull.
Your either misinformed or a Mossad trying to subvert the truth.
They didn't use rubber bullets. They nicked-name that rifle setup "The Knee Capper" as they would shoot people in the leg to subdue them. They stopped after the death count rose and Doctor told them, "ya stupid, leg shots can be fatal."
As I understand it, they also only used the 10/22s against Palestinians. But I could be wrong.
I don't know anything about what kind of ammo is sitting around in Brazil but a .22 for a SHTF rifle is one of the best choices
We are one the biggest small arms manufacturers in the world (Magtech, S&B are all owned by brazilians) so .22 ammo is everywhere here and there is no shortage. Right now I thing I have around 600 rds here of assorted ammo but I'm going to buy more once I figure out what kind of ammo my gun likes best. The bad thing is that we need a loicense to buy.
You may consider a Puma/Rossi m92 in .357 as well, since you are in Bazil. Those are excellent rifles, and aren't too expensive either.
.22 is good for hunting small game. However you better empty 20 rounds into a man if you want to kill him with it. Get a real rifle shit even a 30-30 is better for game bigger than a cat.
I love my old bolt action tube fed sportsman.
A battle rifle is the best option if you only want to carry one firearm.
CCMG .22 conversion kit beats the 10/22.
You obviously don't have one or you'd know how absolutely finicky .22 conversions are.
No way, those things suck.
Now, mark IV mods on the other hand are peak 22.
I shot a pest raccoon square in the head with a 22 rifle from a couple yards
Smoke started coming from its mouth but it otherwise just looked angry, definitely not dead. So I walked closer and pretty much point blanked it in the head again.
Still not dead, but thrashing now.
Another shot to the body and it settled down and resigned itself to die a minute later.
So are .22 lr overhyped or do I have some sort of damage debuff on me?
Like honestly?
.22 should be viewed as nothing more than a powerful BB gun. I’ve had squirrels even survive the initial point blank head shot.
Are you willing to get shot by a 22lr?
Yes. I would take a .22 in the keg or arm to prove my point. I knew a guy who actually shot himself in the foot with one on purpose when we were in high school. I’m dead serious. He didn’t even go to the hospital for it.
A .22 is absolutely worthless.
Then do it, record it and post it here.
Yeah anon.. that surely happened. Meanwhile Bubba in Georgia hunts deer with CCI stingers.
> puma
My dad owns one in 454 casull. It's one hell of a rifle and very fun to shoot.
Based. I love wood/metal guns. Plastic guns don't look nearly as good.
I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees.
You’re using shitty ammo, and/or your bore is worn.
I use RWS unjacketed solid lead target rounds in .22 to kill feral animals including dogs and it works just fine.
You want high-velocity frangible ammo, not cheap Chinese shit.
>You’re using shitty ammo, and/or your bore is worn.
or maybe it's a fictional story
I use .22 shorts to dispatch trapped coyotes. That little 29gr. HP bullet hits like a hammer. It immediately scrambles the brain, makes the eye balls bulge and almost pop out of the skull and creates a fountain of blood from the mouth and sinus. Death is almost instantaneous. Those who underestimate the capabilities of .22RF might live to regret it.
israelite flag leave the coyotes unless they are bothering your animals.
A .22 is worthless against humans. I’ve even had squirrels fight back at me after putting a .22 in them.
Anti government resistance LMAO. We are born into their system and there is no resisting it pal. Comply or die.
If you are not willing to comply at least you can take a few of them with you.
Not enough scope height.!
YWDS
I’ll take my $2500 AR with an additional $2500 in accessories thx
>Rossi
uma delicia. Braztech rules. Took mine out last weekend and didn't have a single jam. Nothing like emptying a 25round mag in a few seconds
Based af
obrigado and your wood stock is pretty nice but having a folding stock is always handy
I'm considering buying a polymer stock but like I said earlier the classic wood + steel is beautiful.
nice scope.
there is a reason any military nowadays use 5.56 as the standard
I agree I love the 22 LR
Mossberg 702 Plinkster is a good poor man's 22
>moss~~*berg*~~
Stop giving your money to the pewpewjew.
based and brazil pilled
I prefer 6.5 CM, but you do you.
455 yards.
looks like a 50% hit ratio, I'm not impressed
as someone who shoots longrange regularly, you are a god damn liar. i will bet my entire fricking life that is a 100-200 yard group.
6.5 it wouldn't be too bad. at that distance, it's what? 2 maybe 3 mil drop?
I picked up a used one. Pretty fun to shoot. Mine is from 2007. Is it common to have lots of stove pipes and other types of feeding issues? Like a few every range session?
.22 doesnt kill a man.
Putting holes in things kills them. In a SHTF situation getting some holes from a 22 is going to kill you. However it isn't going to kill you straight away in a lot of cases. So it isn't about killing power, its about stopping power. I am surprised this thread has so many posts but doesn't realise this.
>I shot a racoon in the head and it didn't die
It will die.
Lol yeah a bullet is a bullet. If it hits you just hope it doesn’t poke a hole in an organ. Smaller the caliber, better the chance, but bullets do some weird shit when they hit a body. My grandpa drunkenly shot his best friends wife in the head one night, when shooting stop signs back in 79’ and the .357 round followed her scalp line and never broke her skull. Just scalped her and my 8 year old mom had to tell her she was bleeding before she even knew she was shot. But they were all hammered.
Better to be a have than a have not when it comes down to it.
Always knew women were hard headed.
That's probably your best bet. You want cheap, simple and common.
You're not going to be able to get replacement parts and cleaners for your safe queen.
Not to mention that you are probably going to be eating a fair amount of small game, large calibers will destroy small game.
People play too many video games and watch too many movies. It's not like anyone has ever taken one to the chest and said "nah im fine, it was just a 22".
WRONG
>had cop friend
>coroner who picked up the dead bodies and moved them to morgue
"yea you wouldnt believe how many times i see a .22 in someones hand.
.22 doesnt have the stopping power..
9MM doesnt have the stopping power the army needed so they developed the .45
.357 is my grain of choice. that or 7.62
Can I shoot you with a .22 round to test this theory
>large calibers will destroy small game.
>thinks the reverse is true
ur just dumb and you will get people killed telling bad advice
https://www.gunpolicy.org/documents/5561-22-calibre-rabbit-rifles-kill-more-people-than-any-other/file
https://survivalcommonsense.com/world-record-grizzly-killed-with-22-caliber-rifle/
Yup. Agree 100%
Based and redpilled
Z
see look. its a Black person saying .22
>need i say more?
> Black person
You can literally see my color in the fricking OP
i see flag.
>It's not like anyone has ever taken one to the chest and said "nah im fine, it was just a 22".
You’d be surprised. There are plenty of cases of ‘bullet embolism’ where someone gets shot, walks it off, and dies days or weeks later when the bullet gets into the bloodstream and ends up in the Aorta, heart, pulmonary veins etc.
>’celebratory gunfire’
Latino, Arab or black?
>poor penetration capabilities
too many no-gun gays think shooty shooty is all the same.
Brazilians here take it to a new level with their low IQ.
/k/ refugees need to go back. Black folk thought Ukraine was winning. Pathetic. /misc/ is always right.
nothing beats a good ol' 12 gauge with buck shot
From a legal perspective in the US at least, you do not want to have to shoot somebody 12 times in order to properly defend yourself. If there's no cameras and its just your word against someone else's it might work out badly for you
Body armor is plentiful and cheap. AR15's are plentiful and cheap. 5.56 is plentiful and cheap. 22 conversion kits for AR15's are plentiful and cheap. Can you shoot well enough when you're jacked up on fear and adrenaline to hit an armored opponent in his face repeatedly?
>body armor
I'm not your supervisor, but in general, people should he practicing around it. For our local club shoots, we've started incorporating "armored" targets, so anything to the chest adds to your time.
the traditional failure drill is Mozambique, but like you said, under stress that doesn't go well. dick shooting is unironically the future.
Checked but what if you're shooting into a wound that's already there? Is there rules on this?
we gonna be offering free reassignment surgery
>dick shooting is unironically the future.
Pelvic shots are already the norm for any well trained SF unit, depending on the equipment of the hostile forces you are going to be engaging.
No squad leader is going to set the ROE for blasting sandBlack person desert "people" with urbans to pelvic shots.
Also, regular AF zogbots are still taught to shoot centre mass (and will be for basically ever), because the pelvic-leg conjunction is a lot smaller than a torse and constantly in motion. It's, in practice, a much harder target to hit consistently.
turbans*
pelvic-leg junction*
torso*
I'm sleep deprived
who's?
Interesting.. I was taught to aim for the lower torso when I was in the army. They said that if you shoot high as most people do you hit the gut and if you hit just right you shatter the hip and that's a soldier out of the fight for ever even if he survives. Granted I served as an Lt. the grunts are taught silouette/center mass
Just take the weapon off the morons that try and fail to rob you. They don't want you to know this but those weapons are free, you can just take them. I have like 20. Its not even hard, Black folk can't aim, and ammo is also cheap if you just conserve the shots they don't take.
recoil is insufficient to chamber suceeding rounds without jamming from time to time. it's unreliable for self-defense
If you wanna shoot squirrels, .17hmr is better. If you wanna shoot "squirrels" you should move up to 7,62x39.
.375 H&H is the gentlemen's caliber
.22lr is indeed awesome but .17hm2 is only SLIGHLY more expensive than. 22lr but a bazillion times better performance wise, while still in the same niche as .22lr, but a bit longer range.
I fricking love .17hmr but it ends up exploding squirrels at a shorter range. .17hm2 ends up being way better for that.
But I end up using .17hmr on coons and foxes and fishers that try to hurt my moms cats.
True chains brazilfren
22 rifle is the Honda accord of guns
>anti government
I use mine for grouse hunting because I'm not an edgy redditor.
I too love the long thick boot of big brother up my ass I hope they limit the rounds you can carry on those 22s to 5 and then just out right ban all semi autos
I have a MATEN.
They say everyone should own a shotgun.
Everyone should own a .22
True. .22 no good for self defense, but there probably isn’t a better overall survival weapon out there, just so long as you don’t live in bear and wolf country. For me though, it’s gotta be the .357 magnum. Get a nice Colt Python in .357 and some type of lever action rifle chambered in the same round, and you don’t ever have to worry about anything ever again.
>.22 no good for self defense
That’s where you’re wrong kiddo
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American-180
Now there are even three different self defense 22LR loads marketed for handguns. CCI Uppercut, Federal Punch and Winchester Silvertips.
>For 2.5" to 4" barrels
You gays are lucky with the selection of ammo you have. We get 3 brands aguila, armcor which is the worse ammo I've ever shot,Sellier & Bellot being the most decent. And the occasional remintong or Winchester cheap ammo.
>For me though, it’s gotta be the .357 magnum.
I LOVE my 357 lever action.
Killed a coyote that was sniffing around my chicken coop last summer.
The .22 is underrated.
What you guys don't get is how easy it is to suppress these things. At 75-100 yards you would NOT hear the shooter.You wouldn't even know what direction it came from, really. You would feel the unbearable sting in your stomach as you go down writhing in pain. They may be small and not pack enough kinetic energy for a sudden kill, but you can definitely make people take a wide berth around you.
On that note, those anyone have the diagram to make a supresor
I got you Honduras bro. as a favor, the next white person you kidnap, give the family a small discount on the ransom at least, alright?
Kek, we actually like gringos. Of all latin American countries we view you favorly. I'll interview when one of your country men fricks up at a bar or they are in the wrong place. Already have and will be a pleasure to do so again. People b***h about you guys but brits are the worse and most unpolite tourist, worse than chinks. Sorry got carried away. Thanks.
Do you have a 3d printer?
Even if he doesn't I do have one.. hook me up senpai.
the Saturn suppressor or kcad are printable options, too. but honestly, you don't get much longevity. steel is better.
>freeze plug suppressor
Neat. Wouldn't have thought of that. Has anyone had any luck with using the bottom of soda cans as baffles?
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It's model specific. You need to know the outer diameter of your barrel in order for it to fit properly. It's not the greatest design in the world and I freely admit it. The next one will have a slotted taper that'll accept a huge range of diameters and will secure with a hose clamp. But that's off in the future.
I was going to give you shit but checked nice trips.
Yes freno and I just ordered a cnc machine.
Grab a torrented copy of inventor. Mine is the 2019 version but whatever.
Will do
the best all around rifle is an AR10, it can do everything pretty well, but it certainly isn't the best at anything
> Try to find a better weapon for SHTF or anti government resistance than a good old .22
>anti government resistance
For me its Velocitors
Subsonic 22 rounds in a bolt action rifle.
Subsonic won't cycle through a lot of gas systems.
Subsonic 22 sounds like a pellet gun and is lethal in medium ranges sub 300 yards
No 22 that I'm aware of uses a gas system, they're all blowback. Granted, that does mean the recoil spring and bolt/slide masses are usually geared towards hypersonic ammunition.
>M995
fuuuuuuuck i need 1000 rounds of that shit
That graphic is complete dog shit. M995 will NEVER penetrate level IV plates, unless the "level IV plates" you are talking about are, in actuality, chinkshit level IIIa from ebay.
Even M993 @ .300 WM velocities will not pierce modern lvl IV ceramic plates. Tungsten carbide isn't all that great. Pure tungsten or depleted uranium, on the other hand...
I agree. I am baffled as to why nobody has gotten up on a roof in Chicago or any other similar jungle and didn't start shooting basketball people with a 22 or even a BB gun. 22 short would be quiet enough during their dancing and burning and most won't even know what's up.
Really a .22 5 barrel gat and 4,000 +rounds is not impractical for one lone wolf to carry up some stairs.
WTF?
Someone needs to show op how to hold a rifle
>24 pbtid
Youre very commited to this troll post
This .22 mag lever marlin is not anything you going to shake off getting hit by.
Give me 300 yards and I'll kill your pistol ass every time.
SEVENTEEN H M TWOOOOOO
It's not easy to find that ammo
When people start panic buying though .22LR is one of the first calibers to go. I understand, since me and everyone I shoot with will each go through ~300rds of 22 on a range day. When people panic they stock up so they can keep practicing. .17HMR/HM2/WSM will all be some of the last calibers left on the shelf.
I stock up every month, for each caliber I own. I think I have enough if shit hits the fan. Maybe need a few more case for the special ones.
Guns are so accessible to Americans most of us take them for granted. It isn't until something scares us, like a potential gun ban, riots or a pandemic, that normies start stocking up. That extra stress disrupts the supply chain and ~~*hands*~~ begin to rub together intensely.
Retailers get fricked, since they're just the middle man and customers get angry when they show up and there is nothing for sale. So stores implement policies like '2 box limits', meaning a customer can only buy 2 boxes of ammo during a visit. Then, suddenly 22LR makes a lot of sense. 2x 500rd boxes of .22 versus 2x 50 rd boxes of 9mm, or 2x 20 rd boxes of 5.56? Suddenly if you like to shoot and want to keep shooting, .22LR makes a lot of sense.
We have a 200 box max per month, but we got the black market. Stupid laws just feed criminals.
In all reality your .22 varmint rifle will be the best value of yiur collection since it will be the rifle you use the most
Yea never underestimate killing someone else to take there gear.
odds are you probably wont kill anyone except matbe yourself. Odds are the killing you will be doing is squirrels and other rodents and pests
Yea but you get in a gun fight with the guy that shoots 2,000 blocks .22 pinker ammo in a month and your going to realize his shot are not off by the size a .50 coin with that dam lever .22 mag. Then it's just puking blood and what you thought before the darkness.
this isn't fallout, anon, scavengers get executed
don't be seen doing it
Go tell the to Wal-Mart mut burger.
As a mater of fact I'll scavenge your shed to burn your house down.
Takes a 300 yard pop shot and you.
Ack.
Your gear is mine now.
Sorry but that's how war works.
https://www.gotenda.com/product/steambow-ar-6-stinger-ii-tactical/
Fricking thanks lot anon, I just impulse spent >500 bucks when I need a new CPU and Motherboard, ugh. Frickin pol
steel bolts will go through anything. i was thinking of a tool for every application y'know
Hey yo
If I had to go survive inna woods Id be fine with a .22 rifle.
Yea but I want a 30 30
Why do you think three guys in bath robes won plenty of battles against the United States marines ?
They could maneuver a giant machine gun on a tripod in the desert terrain from miles away faster than the marine corps could pinpoint where the frick the first burst came from
interesting how nobody is calling OP a macaco.. guess the sharts are realizing that Brasilians don't look like Mexicans
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Forget you saw that.
That picture doesn't absolve you, pardo
Fire has been and will always be the best weapon. Fire is basically free and nearly infinity destructive compared to a firearm. In a SHTF scenario you can use fire for utility and to take down infrastructure
>The gunfight happened in the early morning hours of 17 August 2018. The location was 867 Bootlegger Lane in Yoakum, Texas. Yoakum is a small town in Texas, about halfway between San Antonio and Houston.
>There was “bad blood” between Dakota Wayne Kirkman, 19, and Manuel Martinez III, 36. The men lived about 22 miles apart. Yoakum is in DeWitt County, Texas. Kirkman and his girlfriend lived in Hallettsville in Lavaca County, Texas.
>Dakota did not want his live-in girlfriend to hang around Martinez and his wife. His girlfriend, Martinez, and Martinez’ wife were at Martinez’ house when Kirkman came to bring his girlfriend home. Kirkman arrived in his truck. He had a singleshot .22 rifle and one cartridge, loaded in the chamber.
>Kirkman and Martinez got into a verbal altercation. The Sheriff reported that alcohol was involved.
>The altercation escalated into a gunfight. Cartridge cases found at the scene indicated that Martinez fired 15 shots from an AR15 type rifle and 12 shots from a .40 caliber pistol.
Most of the action seems to have happened while Kirkman was in or around his truck. 13 bullet holes were found in the truck. 11 of the bullet holes were from .223 cartridges. Two of the bullet holes were from a .40 caliber pistol.
>Kirkman is recorded as firing one shot from his single shot .22 caliber rifle. The shot struck Martinez in the chest, killing him.
https://www.ammoland.com/2018/10/self-defense-in-texas-22-single-shot-beats-ar15-and-40-cal/#axzz808qCdPOa
Better link, sorry.
https://www.ammoland.com/2018/10/self-defense-in-texas-22-single-shot-beats-ar15-and-40-cal/
the racewar just doesnt scare me
too many examples like this
Why 30/30 meets most professional hunters needs
Cuz frick you that's why.
.30-30 is a short ranged fudd round and in a lever gun, you are limited to round tipped bullets instead of sexy sleek high BC bullets due to the shitty tube magazine.
Most deer I have ever seen did not drive a armour plated tank.
Energy and ballistic efficiency are two completely unrelated subjects.
No one tell this guy you can weld a steal pipe full of cement on the front of your truck.
is that the Black personPlower model X?
>He never heard of leverevolution
Isn't that the soft rubber tip leverfudd cope for boomers who haven't moved on to better cartridges yet?
Still not as pointy and sleek or as ballistically efficient as a 180gr SST out of a .300 WM and has a ton more drop and wind drift as a result.
mutts claim to be gun experts yet they fail to realise that the most lethal ammo in the world and in the israelitenited states is .22. .22 ammo is responsible for most recorded deaths
>no stopping power
>no penetrating power
>jams
Doesn't matter how much ammo you carry if you encounter one guy who can tank enough to kill you, even if you end up killing him.
"Stopping power" isn't and never was real. It's not a quantifiable argument that matters in regards to ballistics.
You have TC (temporary cavitation), PC (permanent cavitation), penetration and mechanical destruction. All of those contribute to the actual lethality of a cartridge, and they are massively determined by velocity (80%), bullet construction and then caliber.
But the scope IS blatantly too high. Will be impossible to get a good cheek weld on that rifle and, quite frankly, a scope that technical is completely useless for a .22lr that has a max effective range of 100 meters.
interestingly enough the scope is perfectly aligned with my eye when I shoulder the rifle (I'm a big guys so maybe it won't be true for most people) and as I said earlier I was shooting the bottom of a soda can at 200M.
You can make a monstrosity out of all most anything.
Why pick a .22 over a good ol AR?
>Longer effective range
>Higher velocity
>Higher penetration
>Better wound channels for ensuring a lethal shot
>Also extremely common in the US
>Penetrates most body armor
Plus its much better for hunting than a .22, yes you can kill a deer with a .22 if you land a perfect shot but good luck landing a lethal shot past 100m
thats a bb gun bro
Tell that to the army zogbot that stalled 6 months to give me my loicense.
license to operate a bb gun? i believe it
But I'm happy with my Remington 700
.300 win-mag is pretty spicy
Black person