>"But it doesn't matter if you don't get training"
>local ranges are incredibly shitty tubes or indoors
>all search results for "firearms training" are for people who've never fired a gun before
>people who do serious training are several hundreds to thousands of miles away
How the frick am I supposed to train? I'd give anything to just be able to run my own drills on targets. It's hard enough to to find somewhere to discharge a firearm, let alone a place with enough space and berms to practice movement and shooting. Where do /k/ommandos shoot?
> It's hard enough to to find somewhere to discharge a firearm
Google Maps.
>How the frick am I supposed to train?
Timer, pushing yourself, not being a b***h.
Congratulation, you trained.
>google maps
what do you mean by this anon
Find area with no buildings and people and maybe a hillside to shoot into. Drive there with your gear and go shoot.
>Tfw east coast
>google maps
Yeah right, I tried that, and unless you wanna go somewhere hundreds of miles away, in major developed areas, you are taking a huge risk of somebody hearing you and getting the cops called on you, also public land in a lot of places is prohibited for discharging of firearms, risking the wrath of wardens. The everglades of florida for example, is known by game wardens and there are people touring them, they don't want people shooting guns around there and they take it very seriously. What you're recommending is just going to get people arrested and probably ruin their lives.
move to a better state then
lmao
>google maps
Thanks for your useless bs homosexual.
> Timer, pushing yourself, not being a b***h
>Timer
Your shot times mean absolutely nothing irl.
>pushing yourself
Physical fitness>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
training
>not being a b***h
Courage is about doing what needs to be done despite the fear. Not leaving with no fear. Go read Musashi or Junger or something.
>Your shot times mean absolutely nothing irl.
> "No timer in a gun fight, bro"
Disagree here. Loudest par time notification you'll ever hear. It's just usually way more complicated than getting your gun out and getting hits on steel.
I agree with most of the rest though. I didn't get much out of either Musashi or Junger.
I disagree for 99/100 instances - your positioning, planning, and coordination as a team far outweigh personal capabilities with a firearm, requiring only basic knowledge and understanding of shooting techniques and weapons handling are required. For the 1/100 - For when something like a bad guy just pops up at close range out of nowhere and you have to engage him before he engages you? I would say:
>full auto exists for a reason
>where's your fricking battle buddy/fireteam/squad/platoon?
>also, frags exist for a reason too
>your positioning, planning, and coordination as a team
Yeah, gonna save us both some time here, friend. Not my lane. I get no team. My squad is 1 extremely gun shy driver and 2 midgets with zero sense of self preservation.
When every single realistic scenario I can train for is that week's Police Activity reel of shame, best I can do is put some aspect of decision making or PID in front of getting the gun out, and do it under time pressure.
In to second this anon. I'm not a family man, but the friends of mine whom I would actually trust my life with don't live anywhere near me and are at minimum 1/2hr drive away.
My family is nearby, yes (>15 min drive) but while my dad can certainly keep varmints away from the hobby farm, he's 30+ years removed from the NG and I don't think I can motivate his ass to run drills with me for funsies.
>but the friends of mine whom I would actually trust my life with don't live anywhere near me and are at minimum 1/2hr drive away.
I should clarify, this isn't me saying they are far away so much as I'm saying if shit goes down, they may as well be on the fricking moon.
>I didn't get much out of either Musashi or Junger
Start by training your body. Don't need a range for that
How do you get PrepHole if you are a super manlet (4'11")? I tend to get tired after doing some cardio and I'm not even fat.
>I tend to get tired after doing some cardio and I'm not even fat.
That's the whole point of doing cardio. When you get tired, you keep pushing yourself. Over time, the distance you can go before getting tired becomes greater.
if you seriously can't adapt to lack of ~~*trainers*~~ with all the modern technology and even just a little bit of time at any range - that's your fault.
He is saying train your body, as in get fit not just go out and shoot your rifle. There are countless military manuals on how to handle most rifles that you would be using in your SHTFinnawoodsboogalo fantasies.
>how do i train
Condition your body to run 5k daily.
You'll outperform anyone.
Just don't forget pulls ups and push ups.
>Just destroy your knees and wrists bro
>hurr getting fit destroys your body durr the post
fricking fatso clean your disgusting butterhands before you dare to post here
You're a child with no concept of how the body actually gets fit. Running 5k every day isn't a great plan unless your plan is to kill your knees.
I'm not that guy you turbogay, I have to admit though I thought you were talking in general and not 5k specific so I'll apologize for the misunderstanding and leave.
What would you suggest instead? HIIT?
Not him, but 5k every day is gonna destroy you. You can train to run 5k, but that's maybe a once every few weeks type thing. A mix of HIIT and a few days of heavy lifts paired with stretching after is gonna leave you with good enough strength and pretty great cardio. I used to prioritize just big lifts, but I've realised cardio is a lot bigger factor, so I now do a push day, then pull day, legs and core day, a mobility circuit day, then one day of 30min of cardio. I also do pretty good stretching routine 3 times a week.
He tells the truth. I've been going to the gym for 6 years, I'm 38 and my right knee ligaments are wearing thin cause of the rubbing against my knee cap. Another guy I know had to get shoulder surgery at 32, because of calcium build up creating a grinding effect on his muscles. You are either young, stupid or a mix of both. Your body wears down over time, key factor being time. Come back when you're 40+ and list of your physical weaknesses for us.
yea one of my friends was really fit and into wrestling since high school and he had to have his hip replaced at 30
Old man here. How hard and heavy on squats and deads did you go? PrepHole loves to harras the 3 plate only crowd, but there are some costs in life for constantly pushing around 400+ lbs multiple times a week, every week.
>humans totally didn’t run down animals to exhaustion back in the day, bro
>Humans didn't have an average life expectancy of 40 back then bro
>Live to 40 as cool hunter-gathering barbarian
>Live to 75 as an office-dwelling cubicle monkey, lose your kids in the divorce settlement and finally succumb to AIDS the trans prostitute gave you on the toilet
Pick one, modernist
>Just work your body to death
You do that.
Lmao, the schizophrenic interpretations of modern life I see from internet extremists never fails to get a laugh out of me.
This is clearly hyperbolic, but yes, a life of action, living as a man rather than as a castrated machine, is preferable to a life as a castrated machine. Its extremist if the producers of Fight Club were extremist.
>r. wagie who he’s his ideas about masculinity from movies
Yeah man, keep telling me about how trad and tough you are.
>This is clearly hyperbolic
Because you goofy ass greek statue profile pic having weirdos simply cannot understand any other method of rhetoric. Never before have you had the economic and social freedom to chart your life in whatever direction you choose?
Want to move out west, live on a small farm 30 miles from the nearest town, homeschool your kids? You have more access to like minded parents and school resources than ever before. This is leaps and bounds better than the home schooling options afforded to people in the 80s, 90s, and even early 00s.
But no, all modern trappings are decadence, everyone around you is weak, and only you have escaped the trap of false idealogies. All the Bronze Age Pervert and Evola books on your bookshelf say so.
>Live to 40 as cool hunter-gathering barbarian
Shiiiieeeet, I only have 16months of life left. I don't even know what a vegana looks like.
What is: infant mortality
I use push up bars to get the pressure off my wrist, if you dont have any dumbells work also
running does frick yer knees but find a highschool track with the rubber track and it wont be nearly as destructive
>running does frick yer knees but find a highschool track with the rubber track and it wont be nearly as destructive
Basically this. Running a lot on very hard surfaces like pavement will frick you up over time, and it's worse the taller and heavier you are. If you don't have much of a choice, there are other options if you use a little imagination: a jump rope is a great conditioning tool that won't explode your knees, and doing long sets of skipping coupled with wind sprints and agility drills will do the job as long as you push yourself. Cycling isn't a bad option either.
Complete b***hass. Utter total b***hass b***h
>just get lead poisoning bro
>How the frick am I supposed to train?
The best way is to join Military. I got a full Infantry training in 7 month and went straight out but really depends what your country military offers. And then ofcourse being open minded and do fitness. Rucking is a good way. There are several training plans which you could start like
>12 Week Ranger Assessment and Selection Program Training Plan
>SFAS-PT-handbook
I'm was on 6 week on the SFAS-PT training and had knee problem but the reason was that my left leg is little bit too long (Flat feet) so I had more stress on my left knee. Now I have to wear insoles and do foot gymnastics which don't restrict me in any forms. Now I know it and can easily prevent it. Its no excuse being a fat frick like 80% of the vet boomers who take this as excuse being fat homosexual
>muh military service frick up my knees
>went straight out
Coward, traitor, bastard, Black person. Don't waste people's time if you don't wanna fight
welfare queen homosexual
How fat are you?
Been running regularly for 10 years my knees are fine. At one point could run 10 miles in 56 min and 5k in 16 flat. Running is fine if you aren’t obese
Do you dry fire?
fitness is 100x more important that any training.
Do dry fire drills, practice clearing your house, study CQB, and basic infantry tactics (FM-7-4 and Ranger Handbook).
Just learn what you can with what you can.
>t. 400lb alcoholic OIF vet
Assuming your already working on your ability to move and shoot by yourself, try and find retired 11b/0311 or even LE at your local USPSA ranges, or something where you're not trapped in a box.
Will it be high speed? Frick no, but for a lot of us, knowing how to do a slow 2 man clear on a structure or execute a peel without endangering the lives of your training partners is better than running a Bill drill for the 1000th time.
Mantis dry fire system, like $300.
if you live out west you can shoot targets and shit on blm land. if you live in the southeast like me its against the rules to target shoot on public land and a game warden will give you a ticket if they catch you
Just keep yourself fit and try to be a good shot with your shooter while knowing how to work on it like the back of your hand. Practice drills and all that all you want, but knowing your local region and how to move about without dying will be infinitely more useful than trying to be some doorkicker with a million dollar logistics train carrying and ferrying his ass.
yea
Just take a trip deep, deep into the woods.
I am with you, bud. I live on the outskirts of a major city. There are no ranges within even a 3 hour drive that allow dynamic training (draw from holster, rapid fire, fire when moving, etc...). And I don't know anyone with land to train on. All public land that allows shooting is minimum 2.5 hour drive from me. And no, I am not paying some tacti-tard $800-$1000 for a 2-day course that is 4 states away, and I have to bring $600 in ammo along (current prices for a case of ammo). Sorry, just not gonna do it.
get a bb gun or airsoft gun and run around your apartment shooting at soda cans or whatever.
unironically airsoft
What are you training for?
LARP fantasies
training means classes. half the point of going to classes is being able to do dynamic shit you'd never get away with doing at ranges.
My state has free ranges maintained by the conservation department with no RO and very few rules. The one by my house literally has a 25x30yd asphalt pad with 3 sides bermed and permanent target stands on the back end.
>How the frick am I supposed to train?
Join the army/national guard/civil militia etc. and receive training
Shoot precise, learn cover types and ambush, run
Fast shooting is needed only at Black person incidents
do what this guy does but do it holding a rifle.
Start doing some form of mma (boxing, bjj, catch wrestling, Muay Thai, sambo, Dutch kickboxing) with sparring.
Start hiking, swimming, running, and rock climbing.
Make friends who like guns and go on weekend trips.
Milsim west.
Forgot, hunting.
Training and practice are two separate things. You receive training to understand what and how to practice.
First you would need to define what skills you want to hone. That leads to your training and practice requirements. Now you can figure out who does training where and how that fits into your budget. If you want to do the entire larp cycle, you will quickly find out that it will take you between 5 and 10 years to get all the classes in you would need to even get the entire picture. I would suggest to start small and build from there.
As other anons suggested, physical fitness is important. Develop a healthy training regime that pushes you without harming yourself.
Another often overlooked issue is mental toughness and discipline. If you want to be remotely useful at something you require substantial firearms training for, you will need to leave your comfort zone regularly and embrace the suck. Physical conditioning is just a small part of that.
There is probably an NRA or CMP competition that goes on near you for high power or small bore. Do that. Is it modern tactical shit? no, but it is better than nothing and it is how they trained soldiers from like 1903 until Vietnam
https://competitions.nra.org/
https://thecmp.org/competitions/
also
>muh indoor
odds are there are small bore .22/air rifle olympic style matches near you which will still help with marksmanship
Coming to the warzone after living sedetary lifestyle with regular gym and biking I learned one thing. Don't neglect your joint and bone health. Running in full gear is no joke and I developed a stress fracture of my leg bone after just a couple weeks. Still doing missions with it, but it's pretty bad and limits my options drastically.
Tactical drills and shit will be useful to you only if you plan to police or do specops work. But people like that don't ask where and how to train
What are you training for? Direct Action? Patrol work? Perimeter security? Combat Medic? Survival Defense?
What skill level are you trying to reach? Competency? Or are you trying to turn yourself into a homemade operator?
What platforms are you going to utilize based on the first two questions?
Those are important because without those, your question doesn't make much sense. There are plenty of options to develop firearms skills, but it depends on what you want to do with those skills.
For example; hunting is great firearms training and most people get their first taste of using a firearm this way. You could get all the basic skills from dry-fire training, range shooting, and hunting within about 1-3 years depending upon aptitude. On top of that, you'd also have experience on shooting a moving target and ambush tactics. I've seen people who've only handled a shotgun thread the needle with more accurate platforms like AR15's, because of the sheer amount of hunting and plinking they've done.
Doing dynamic training without a proper teacher, or worse in the boonies by yourself, is asking for trouble. You'll either A) hurt yourself or someone else, B) practice wrong and end up getting bad habits that will be hard to undo once cemented.
Pay for the training. Start from the beginning. Get certified in various bona fides like being a firearms instructor, which will open up doors for more serious training. It takes about $2.5 million to train up a PMC to deploy-able status and that's with experience. If you can't afford to travel or buy ammo, find someone in your area who has military/firearms experience and learn from them. There are combat engineers and designated marksmen who do regular-joe jobs, it's not hard to find someone with experience if you look hard.
Training isn't cheap, if you can't bite that bullet, you probably shouldn't be bothering to be honest.
>muh training muh training!!!
lift, cycle, cardio, build legs, build stamina, go camping, get used to shitty weather and bugs/animals, being hungry, water collection, heat, cold, etc
get off your ass and take your gun with you, stuff it in a pack if you have to and get used to the weight
any moron can clear a house, any idiot can learn a pre-determined course and muscle memory, you're only going to learn the shit parts of using a firearm if you're actively taking it with you to shitty situations and places
Frick ya mudda
Learning to do those shooting dances with definitely save you in ww3
Like others have said, first and foremost is physical fitness. If you're an obese neckbeard or skinnyfat stoner, all the training in the world won't help when you can't move to the objective. Second, don't get too wrapped up in the $500k+ private ranges you see big youtubers shoot on. You don't need to run through stupid fricking pillars like that TRrex arms guy. Start shooting static, that's your biggest skill, then follow by shooting at a very slow walking pace. Do various drills, yiu don't need to worry about 3 gun courses. Then study CQB tactics, and urban movement terrain.
Does anyone have any experience with these?
it's expensive for what it does. It doesn't represent actual recoil well enough to train you on that component, and while it's nice that it resets your trigger for you if you're dryfiring to mitigate trigger flinch or something to that effect you can just focus on that and reset the trigger yourself. You're better off buying some snap caps and using the rest of the money to buy real ammo.
>landlets BTFO
learn to drink tea slowly and wait while all the trainedgays are out running and dodging bullets until one eventually hits them from a Black person the other block down blasting rounds into a car window
>stop being a tryhard! putting effort into things makes me uncomfortable!
>ur just gonna get le domed by le nigur w/ le hipoint!
nice crab bucket mentality.
Uncomfortable? Sure I'm not comfortable exercising, but at least I can point to a line between my activities and outright consumerism. I honestly don't know what to say to you or anyone who thinks this is productive. Don't max out your credit cards, and try not to die?
>ur just gonna get le domed by le nigur w/ le hipoint!
Do you understand why Black folk don't get prosecuted for murder? while white man does? Because they FRICKING BLEND IN
If in whatever future we see you'll be making use of your "training," it will not be against a foreign military - not the chinese, not the russian, not the UN Army: it will be your own government, police and military. You will be HUNTED. Your concern should not be running and gunning in firefights, but doing what you need to do and getting the FRICK out of dodge and blending back in to everyman status like the fricking CIVVIE you are.
>outright consumerism
frick off dude. you've been bullied by anonymous children on the internet to feel shame any time you spend money.
Projecting
Proportionally they get away with it more
>Do you understand why Black folk don't get prosecuted for murder?
Black folks go down for murder more than any other race.
hes some euro who thinks the handful of national news cases are somehow indicative of normal court.
>I'm not comfortable exercising
You're fat
>I can point to a line between my activities and outright consumerism.
Coping with being fat
>I honestly don't know what to say to you or anyone who thinks this is productive.
No one cares what you have to say, fattie
>Don't max out your credit cards, and try not to die?
Who said you need to do this above you're means? Shooting ammo from your stash a pain for you?
>not comfortable with exercise
>i don't exercise
projecting
People are going to hate me for saying this, but I don't care.
Buy all your guns in threes:
>real gun
>airsoft
>rubber/plastic
Congratulations, your ability to train is now a thousand fold.
best answer, and nice digits
>be civilian
>disregard the single greatest advantage any combatant could wish for and train like a standing army
just stay fit and know your locality well enough to have ambush and escape routes. any of this rigging up squad nonsense is fricking hysterical to partake in if you have the blessing of being a fricking civvie and being able to BLEND IN
>I'd give anything to just be able to run my own drills on targets. It's hard enough to to find somewhere to discharge a firearm
Buy some land. You said you would give anything, give money.
This is probably the best training vid i could find. It gets you trained with limited space.
Basically the first few times, you need a professional to instruct you.
They'll teach you things you've never even thought about, and correct your mistakes/prevent you from developing bad habits.
Once you can become semi competent, you just do your reps.
>go to gym
>go jogging
>go jogging with backpack
>go shooting when you have time
>do dry fire drills in home or backyard
Easy peazy.
>physical fitness
>combat sports training
>perfecting marksmanship at your shitty ranges
>camping/hiking
>marksmanship competitions through NRA/CMP
>airsoft drills at home, attend adult events like milsim
>air rifle/pest control
>hunting as much as possible
When I look at all these options it doesn't sound so bad.
You do it yourself.
A lot of the documentation used by military and police forces around the world is publicly available information.
Just study handbooks, absorb the information, and then participate in wargames with local like-minded individuals.
The "live action roleplay" is how actual militaries train their recruits. Take up airsoft. If you have a serious scene near you, you can gain some transferrable skills.
And of course, just ENLIST. National Guard will train you, and you can still have a life.
Have you considered expressing your desire to assassinate elected officials on social media? The FBI will assign someone to radicalize and train you at their expense and all you have to do is show up (until you ghost them at the last possible moment).
step 1
Stop living on the east coast
step 2
have a nice day for ruining a good state with your liberal disease
step 3
join the military at 18 after you have reincarnated
>tfw public land shooting
Feels good not having to worry about some fudd range officer or dipshits flagging everyone as well as shooting on natural terrain.