What is the best trade for someone like me who is very anti-social. I am 23 and have schizoid personality disorder. Most people with this condition are asexual hermits who are unemployed and are emotionless and zombielike. Almost like they were lobotomized. Which is basically me.
plumbing or HVAC seems to be decent. Most people hide when a contractor comes and only comes out and continue their lives when they leave.
any trade will do, you'll have to interact with some people but it's not like you're going into a sales job where you have to talk to people all day every day. the core of any trade job is you with your tools performing a task. my advice is to get over it. I dislike socialization too, I'm probably slightly autistic, and used to be like you, desperate to stay the frick away from people, although I never gave myself a cringey "syndrome" diagnosis to pair with it. over time I grew accustomed to the small amount of social banter required to not be the weird guy at work. you can handle that much too, I don't care if a dumbass doctor gave you this diagnosis either. just pay attention to how men interact on the job site and eventually you can autopilot your way through. You don't have to open up or any of that shit. just be honest and learn to laugh. at the end of your shift you can go back to being alone.
Please take your meds. I mean these kindly and seriously. Nothing makes me sadder in life is people who go off their meds, and then hurt someone. Then they are forced back on their meds and have to deal with the reality that they killed their father and ate his face. Or drowned their children. It’s fricking heartbreaking for everyone.
Be safe fren
> never gave myself a cringey "syndrome" diagnosis to pair with it.
Get fricked, it’s a serious illness. No one pretends to have it.
>No one pretends to have it.
Do you live under a rock? Seemingly more than half of young people these days have self proclaimed BPD, ADHD, autism, schizoid, etc. these things exist but most people claiming to have them, don't actually, and the symptoms they have are just something they can tackle with therapy and willpower.
Please go back to l*ddit.
Schizoid personality disorder is when someone feels okay with not having any friends or relationships or whatever. Pretty much as the OP spelled out. There are no "meds" for it.
Your eyes must have glossed over the rest of OP upon reading "schizoid", so you mistook it for "schizophrenia", which is when someone "hears strange voices in their head" or holds false beliefs that have no basis in their cultural background.
Further, you mistake schizophrenia for "the madness that always goes cinematically violent". Whereas in reality, schizophrenics are very unlikely to hurt others, on or off their meds: they far more often experience homelessness, self-harm, harassment, and violence.
tl;dr : Your post is stupid and uninformed. Either lurk moar and make less stupider posts, or go to the hivemind to get your daily dose of upvotes.
Not that anon, but Jesus, in that case I bet most of us are schizoids as well. I just tend to think that humans in general are despicable, and while I do enjoy talking to them, I have yet to be proven wrong about how they all are, and have no one to talk to outside of PrepHole and a therapist.
It's complicated though, I was prescribed SSRI for my OCD, Anxiety and Depression -- and the moment I started taking it I feel happy, confident, 100% free of anxiety even in situations where I SHOULD feel anxious, and I started planning a murder that would totally make my life so much better and not feel guilty about it, and so, in the middle of browsing the shelves of Home Hardware, I realise I need to stop my SSRI because I NEED a guilty conscience to be around.
On the other hand, I had a friend with OCD AND Autism who was taking the same brand of SSRI I was prescribed, for over a decade now, and he's happy and functional and as far as I know, not a serial killer.
I had kind of a similar SSRI experience, wasn't as dark as planning a murder or anything but it lowered my inhibitions WAY too much to the point where I could have gotten myself into pretty serious trouble.
If it started working the moment you started taking it the effect was psychosomatic. Every SSRI needs weeks to build up an effective blood supply to start seeing efficacy; symptom improvement seen on day one is simply because you believed it would work and it gave you the willpower to enact the behavioral change you needed to do. 6-8 weeks later you might see some changes in mood regulation or energy level because at that point there is actually a difference in reuptake of neurotransmitters but now there’s a 25-40% chance you’re getting chubby and your dick doesn’t work right
Pump out porta potties
Nobody will talk to you and it pays good money
You already like shit, you’re here arent you
Honeydipper Schizo Boss b***h
I want to see this on your first truck wrap OP.
Nah...The Turd Herder.
That's money right there.
Living as a rural hermit is a good fit.
Sewage treatment is comfy. My bro showed me his many job offers when he chose not to re-enlist in the very comfy USAF because apparently no one trains loaf wranglers.
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I have a buddy who bought a porta potty business and he makes a ton of money.
And the hours are just about whatever you want to make of them so he makes breakfast for his kids every day then takes them to school and picks them up after.
Do you mean he bought one of those draining trucks or is he porta potty supplier? Or both.
All tradies are shit socially, even the ones who love it.
You drive into a skilled field you're interested in and let the finances unravel themselves. When you get good, and you atypical types will, you can go out on your own and tell people your price. Fighting through the suck is part of it. It's equally the jobs themselves as it is the people you have to work with or for.
Dealing with the people is the worst part. Hard labor is nothing compared to a boss who calls you a beta b***h and they never leave their desk and computer
This, being told you suck, too slow need more while they fire your coworkers because it’s cheaper just to have you do their jobs..
As they sit in an office and chit chat in the air conditioning all day
Then since they all see the boss more and are considered friends they get the raises and promotions
Blue collar also sucks because you can work and make this dude hundreds of thousands of dollars per year then when they call and ask if you worked there … they’re like “who?”
Depends on where you live, but lawncare/arborist, pool maintenance, routine pest control.
I do all my own pest control, but I have a friend that works for a small company and he loves it. Most of the time the customers aren't even home and leave the gate unlocked and he just goes and sprays for bugs and leaves.
Again, depends on where you live. Different countries/states have different laws and certs.
>lawncare
>Again, depends on where you live.
You apparently do not live in the mexican half of the usa
>You apparently do not live in the mexican half of the usa
I do actually. Arizona. The companies with White guys charge more and do good business because they have upper class or rich White clientele. You can make a killing if you find a good niche in a more broad trade.
I've got a friend who does roofing in the winter months, but he's cert'd and does emergency HVAC in the summer months and makes a fricking killing.
>lawncare/arborist
this. be the one white guy that is actually knowledgeable and does a quality job; work for a golf course or something.
>pool maintenance
Anyone who is asexual is gonna hate that job since "pool guy" is second only to "pizza delivery guy" for the sheer amount of on-the-job sexual encounters you have to take part in in order to satisfy your customers and get paid.
Watch a porn movie or two, sheesh.
The trick is to be ugly.
You won't ever make money until you can get decent at talking to a customer.
Being a hand for low voltage, plumbing, or electrical is all pretty minimal socializing.
Pull 200 wires from each cubicle to the closet.
Run this conduit/pipe to there.
Hur hur I'll run some pipe for your lady
bull shit. I hire a roastie or 30+ single mom to go get me the info I need to place a bid. It takes an hour, max, and I pay them $150 to do it. I service a college town and there are always bawds replying to me on FB marketplace for easy money without using 2 of their 3 holes. I bet I could frick them for $1k but I am the kind of sperg that has no sex drive.
just get a job you can work a midnight shift at, i talk to myself out loud all night like an absolute crazy person its fricking awesome as a die maker
being a night auditor at a hotel is a great start to working alone. stay up all night browsing and share
shitposting, get paid enough to hold down a 1 bed-room bachelor's closet.
Grocery store nights stocking shelves
Janitor
Truck driver
Mailman
Machining, there are weeks where you don’t have to talk to anyone.
Walk in, pick up a print, if someone already programmed it from years before setup and run and deliver to customer after ordering materials
If nobody has ever made it, program it, set up and cut a 1A send to customer, if customer denies or approves, either setup and run and speed up program or program chances send another sample part. Once FAI is good male quantity and file it away until they order more
Rinse repeat for the 5 machines you have.
It’s chill while shop your self, listen to music, the one time I have to talk to people is when a trucker pulls up with metal and it’s just a “what’s up, sign here alright cool, leave the truck there I’ll fork lift it off and bring it into the shop and inventory “
Dont you have to be a fat queer first ?
i have to call bullshit on machinist shops being low socialization, there's always boomers looking over your shoulder to gossip about what you do all day and all that shit. only way i got around that was working the overnight shift, and even then you get to hear about every time you forgot to do something at a machine.
We have a guy that comes by every 6 months to do to the mandatory cleaning of the central heating. He asks for a glass of water then gets to work, does not respond to questions while working, and when he’s done he says “okay I’m done” and leaves. Probably takes some simple certification for working with gas lines and dealing with silicon dust but that’s it.
They work for a bureau that does the invoicing and schedules them so there’s hardly any dealing with people directly. Something like that?
>asks for a glass of water
>does not respond to questions
>“okay I’m done” and leaves
Based
I find dealing with moronic hick coworkers 100 times worse than having a chat with customers.
Hicks just like what they like. Former and current drug addicts are impossible. They're as power hungry as they are moronic.
New construction is more solitary than remodel/repair
most solitary will relate directly to how important your trade is in the hierarchy, meaning you have to argue with less crews
I will not tell you any more
>I'm le schizoid guise! I just read that on the internet!
You're not schizoid. You're a shy piece of shit coping by pretending people don't exist. You're too afraid of failure so you avoid interaction altogether. Read about how to suppress perfectionist behavior instead.
I run a small business and I have met many people who I think are perfect for freelance trade EXCEPT for the part where they do the "business stuff" like developing customer referrals, proposals/estimates, billing, deposits, invoicing, insurance, taxes, etc. I've tried to convince them that it's really not that difficult it's just time consuming and they practically become paralyzed with fear at the idea of it.
I've often considered a business model like 90/10 where I develop clients and keep the books and arrange the appointments for the tradesman to do the work. I'd take 10% of the net and give them the other 90%.
Specifically I am thinking about painters, landscapers, drywall, and plumbers. They all have fairly reasonable and predictable materials and tool requirements.
isn't that called "general contractor"
That's usually all they really do. In my state the license is all about the money. The test is open book ffs. Sales, paperwork, insurance/bond. If you set it up right it could do really well. Especially if you build a big network of different specialties, other contractors and journeymen. A tile guy probably can to simple handyman type stuff, but don't take small jobs like that. You take a finders fee and handle paperwork between the worker and customer. Like Angi's but more local and not shitty.
I'd happily give you 10% to never need to worry about stupid shit like that again
Commercial HVAC service is a good. The customer shows you to the problem, explains it and dips most of the time. You work with other people on some calls but the bulk of your time will just be you and your machines. Supermarket refrigeration especially. Residential will not be like that, people will bother you constantly. Either way it'll be a little while before a company lets you loose to work alone.
I'm a night shift stationary engineer. I do rounds through a building alone for three hours, do maintenance with another engineer for one, and then dip and read somewhere quiet the rest of the night. More social than some other stuff but working nights lets people get away with some pretty bizarre behavior as long as it's not disruptive
Welding is ok. When you drop your lid and weld, the outside world disappears.
t. probably schizoid, probably autist, but I refuse to go to some israelite shrink to diagnose me with all sorts of nonsense. I've learned to contain my spaghetti and behave like a normal person, to the extent that I even have a wife and children. Just stop being a weirdo and emulate how normal people speak and act. Doesn't matter if it's a charade, it gets you success.
This is what I was thinking too. Welding in a fab shop where people mostly leave you alone to do your thing all day is probably the best option for somebody like OP, way better than trades where you have to deal with strangers in their houses on a daily basis. TIG work would probably be ideal if you can git gud at it, everybody knows it requires concentration so they're even more likely to leave you alone, and depending on the job you might even get to spend a lot of your time inside big tanks you're welding up and stuff.
I prefer field welding in refineries just because it's more interesting and pays better than fab shops, but you do have to interact with more people. Depends how much OP can tolerate (and how well he can pass as a normal, if shy, guy and not a total fricking robot).
you are mentally ill
learn to socialize with people
being socially moronic is bad
Second or third shift school janitor.
I can't go near school
Second or third shift janitor in non-school.
how to become an irl janny?
Apply. I honestly don’t know what else to tell you. Read up on how to strip and wax floors. That’s about it assuming you know how to clean a toilet, use a mop, and vacuum carpet.
There are none. You have to interact with moronic npc primates no what you do. Getting money requires you to convince others to give it to you for regardless of what yo do unless you're some kind of savant day trader or something
Regardless of the work you do, you’ll have to interact with people to some extent.
To answer your question, utilities are usually good sources of solo jobs. I do meter installations and work out in the field alone. There’s a fair amount of interaction, mostly limited to notifying property owners I’ll be on their property for a bit.
I will say however that avoiding all social interaction only exacerbates mental problems speaking as someone who has harbored similar problems to you. Plus, the work takes me to all corners of my region, so you meet a lot of interesting people if you’re willing to talk; I’ve had a few people extend job offers for unrelated fields just by not acting like a total autist.
One of my favorite moments was talking to this older boomer after accidentally blowing his box up; dude didn’t really care and was going on a cheerful ramble about sailing when he was in the navy.
I'm fixing vacant apartments at the moment. I'm alone 2/3 of the day usually, it's pretty nice. You also don't need prior experience if you are bright enough to pick up light plumbing, electrical, drywall, painting skills from youtube. It isn't great as far as being a career, but it is easily the nicest job I've had. I got a plumbing apprenticeship before this, the company put 100% of their effort into sales and it was miserable socially in addition to being very unethical. I quit after a week and a half. There are a lot of companies like that out there and you should try to sus out if that is the case during the interview or by reading reviews. I wasted a lot of time and 1400 on tools before I realized what it was.
I would wager to guess 70% of plumbing and HVAC outfits are literal, legal definition of scam/shysters that are only there to upsell or sell shit the customer never needed in the first place. Its bad.
Get over yourself you pussy. It's time to grow out of your edgy teenage phase.
learn to plaster. do only new construction. hvac is in and running, never hot, or cold. always alone in the house. paradise.
Lefties are far more forgiving and accepting of anti-social hermit pariahs. How do you think they got so crazy in the first place?
>Lefties are far more forgiving and accepting of anti-social hermit pariahs.
Hardwood floor refinishing. Sanders are loud so you don’t talk. Alone in empty houses. Just have to socialize enough to get the job. But marketing can do most of the work. Or just work for some butthole and tell them you don’t want to talk to anyone. They don’t give af as long as you do good work. You’ll never hold a job being a schizo though. Quit being like that.
Any machinery operator or crane operator. You literally sit in AC.
I hired a pretty girl to go interview with prospective janitorial contracts. All she does is go be pretty, take notes on the total amount of desks, the number of window panes and glass doors, and other stuff. She sends me the info and I place a bid with them. Gov offices are my bread and butter. I look to clear 150k this next year (2025) but I already clear 100k working alone, going cleaning when everyone is out of the office. I can go start my day at 6:00pm or 1:00am and it's all the same to them, so long as I'm done by 8:00am.
The only downside is I can never take a vacation and work about 6 hours every day of the week, even if I'm sick.
The one really important thing to know is how to efficiently clean glass immaculately. I'm talking back-lit by the sun, full glass doors without a single imperfection. That's easy enough once you get it down.
Very neet friendly industry. Frick cleaning houses. Shit is NOT worth it, and every client is a Karen c**t. "ohhh snickers, stop biting the man! Come here, Snickers! ohhhh.... whosa good boy?.... Sorry, anon, she has a will of her own!". Frick that. Single mothers dominate bidding, anyways. Stick to commercial.
Gonna say welder is a good fit here. Friend of mine has problems with anxiety and is diagnosed OCD, he works 40+ hours a week in a welding shop making construction equipment. Great wage, works alone with minimal interaction, listens to podcasts and music with his earbuds all day. Sounds pretty comfy
a lot of good advice in this thread
BUT...
no suggestions on how to get IN to a trade.
most places only hire on with 1-2 years experience
are you using temp to hire or staffing services?
>Most people with this condition are asexual hermits who are unemployed
Why don't you just do this?
t. also schizoid
any trade. just find a one man company and work for him and eventually he'll let you do jobs by yourself where you can act like a spaz and not speak to anyone.